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2010 (Oh no, not again) [message #113085] Mon, 16 September 2013 13:57 Go to next message
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From: Jon 

I have a few qualms about the discussion regarding 2010.  Here goes---
(and please forgive me, I haven't read the 2010 book yet)

1)  I am ashamed at some of you out there!  This whole matter of a missing 
helmet in the pod bay is driving me nuts!  Do you think that the space agency 
that sent out Discovery (is it still Nasa?) would skimp in the spacesuit 
department?  I should hope that the powers that be would have provided a 
spacesuit for each person on the trip, EVEN THOSE IN HIBERNATION!  God forbid 
that when all were revived a problem arise in the ship requiring each 
crewmember to suit up.  What happens to Kaminsky, et al?  Suffocation?  
I think not! 

2)  The end of the film really bit the big one, I'm sure you all agree.
Very anticlimactic, if you ask me.  Hyams really blew it by leading us on
with the "Something Wonderful..." bit.  It was more like "Something 
Catastrophic...".  An ultimatum from Bowman would have been more reasonable; 
something along the lines of "If you don't leave within 48 hours, you'll be 
neutronized" would make me stop in my tracks faster than it "o-my-gosh, 
golly-o-gee Something Wonderful..." 
  As Jupiter was imploding, I completely cringed at Dr. Floyd yelling "hurry!"
Obviously, the Leonov was up at cranking speed, and could not go any faster.
I would have preferred him to adopt the Arthur Dent Attitude of Impending 
Doom, ie. "so this is it, we're going to die."  Although not a tension builder,
it would be more realistic.  
  Finally, an implosion of Jupiter has to be able to cause disasterous things 
to the Leonov and the Earth.  Consider this- a power that has the ability to 
create stars should also have the power to shield selected objects from being 
annihilated by the event.  I don't think that this is unreasonable.  
They/he/she/it would have at least computed the ramifications in advance of 
actually making a sun (there was enough time to, over the course of the 
millions of years of human development).

3)  There is something else that no-one has mentioned (or is it in the book?).
What happened to SAL?  The only hint of this in the movie comes after HAL
asks Dr. Chandra, "Will I Dream?".  Dr. Chandra  replies, "I don't know..."
Does this mean that he lost SAL?  Let's have some discussion about this.


JOn (TRUDEL@RU-BLUE.ARPA)
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Re: 2010 (Oh no, not again) [message #113117 is a reply to message #113085] Mon, 16 September 2013 13:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>		... Consider this- a power that has the ability to 
>	create stars should also have the power to shield selected objects
>	from being annihilated by the event.
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Why?  My astrophysical knowledge is lamentably thin, but I can imagine that
there might be a simple way of taking an object like Jupiter, which is like
a star in many respects, and adding mass and perhaps changing the element
ratios a little to kick it over a threshold and ignite it.  Why would that
imply the ability to shield a fragile object that would be inside the
surface of the resulting star?  The processes involved in the former
operation could be very slow moving (perhaps they'd been assembling mass
since the first monolith was deposited for early man's benefit), the
shielding operation is entirely different -- requiring rapid response and
delicate operations.  The only physical operations we see are on a fairly
gross scale.

scott preece
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Re: 2010 (Oh no, not again) [message #114346 is a reply to message #113085] Tue, 17 September 2013 15:21 Go to previous message
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     Perhaps I don't understand the full ramifications of Jupiter's becoming
a star, but I can't see it having much of an effect on Earth (catrastrophically
speaking that is). It seems to me that it would be a very small, cool star
(Otherwise, how could life be supported on its former moons?) The energy from
it that would reach earth wouldn't be all that tremendous, so why would the
earth have to be protected?
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