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Having Dune by Halving Dune [message #112950] Mon, 16 September 2013 13:56 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: @RUTGERS.ARPA,@MIT-MC:ASP@MIT-OZ
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Date: Thu, 10-Jan-85 04:50:55 EST
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From: Jim Aspnes 

    From: Bob Larson 
    The only way to have a comprehensable 3 or 4 hour Dune movie would be to
    reduce the number of characters...  but then again, we wouldn't
    really have Dune anymore.

Oh, but getting rid of characters is so much fun.  Out of those that made
it to the movie (alas, Count Hrasimir Fenring, my long-standing favorite
minor character, didn't make it) I'd vote for the following to get the ax:

    1. Feyd.
    2. The Shadout Mapes.
    3. Stilgar Naib.  (Liet-Kynes is vastly more important)
    4. The Princess Irulan.
    5. Duncan Idaho.
    6. Gurney Halleck.
    7. Chani.
    8. The Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV
    9. Assorted Spacing Guild skinheads, punks, and navigators.

This leaves: Leto, Liet-Kynes, Paul, The Lady Jessica, Thufir, The Baron
Harkonnen, Dr. Yueh, The Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohammed, Piter de Vries,
(The Beast) Rabban, and Alia, surely enough characters to act out many of
the intrigues woven into the book.

Complaints?  Flames?  Counter-suggestions?  I'd much rather see some good,
healthy second-guessing than some of the reviews that have been dribbling
into my mailbox lately.

JIm
Re: Having Dune by Halving Dune [message #113050 is a reply to message #112950] Mon, 16 September 2013 13:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Date: Thu, 17-Jan-85 02:17:00 EST
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> Toss the spice harvester's destruction and rescue of the crew.
>	 Cheryl Nemeth

I thought one of the more subtle points (but very relevant) was that
Paul's father cared more about the men inside the harvester rather
than the harvester or the spice they had collected.  In the end of
the book (right after the big battle) Paul asks about how much
destruction to the house there was, and somebody (Gurney, i think)
remarks that his father would have cared more about the men lost.
This would seem to be a big lead on into the Jihad that follows and
to the billions killed by it, in _Dune Messiah_.
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John Robert LoVerso @ SUNY Buffalo (716-636-3004)
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Re: Having Dune by Halving Dune [message #114205 is a reply to message #112950] Tue, 17 September 2013 15:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>	I thought one of the more subtle points (but very relevant) was that
>	Paul's father cared more about the men inside the harvester rather
>	than the harvester or the spice they had collected.  In the end of
>	the book (right after the big battle) Paul asks about how much
>	destruction to the house there was, and somebody (Gurney, i think)
>	remarks that his father would have cared more about the men lost.
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Actually the parallel is even closer.  The exchange comes after the fremen
have captured Gurney's smugglers and their harvester, killing half the
smugglers in the process.  Paul says it's a shame they couldn't have
saved the carrier, too, and Gurney replies that his father would have
said it was a shame they couldn't have saved the men.

scott preece
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Date: Tue, 29-Jan-85 00:27:00 EST
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Nf-From: ccvaxa!preece    Jan 21 23:27:00 1985

>				.... His Highness was so totally
>	unimpressive that I wouldn't have missed him at all. (Where in Dune
>	did it say that he was a puppet of the Spacing Guild?)
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p488, Ace 17261
Paul turned back to look at the Emperor, said: "When they permitted you
to mount your father's throne, it was only on the assurance that you'd
keep the spice flowing.  You've failed them, Majesty.  Do you know the
consequences?"

scott preece
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