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re: Reed and WWII [message #111770] Mon, 16 September 2013 13:22 Go to next message
boyajian is currently offline  boyajian
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[color=blue]>  From:	dartvax!mwm	(Mark Modrall)[/color]

[color=blue]>  well, i don't think marvel is really even going to try to dump[/color]
[color=blue]>  the wwII business.... if any of you remember the sphinx saga from[/color]
[color=blue]>  around issue 216 of the ff??? when the sphinx make reed, sue and ben[/color]
[color=blue]>  around 90 of[/color]
[color=blue]>  or a 100 years old???/ and then johnny finds the mysterious youth ray,[/color]
[color=blue]>  and changes them all back to say, 30 years old??? the make the comment[/color]
[color=blue]>  specifically that they are all a lot younger than when they started,[/color]
[color=blue]>  hence eliminating the need to forget wwII....[/color]

I wasn't talking about what Marvel may do or is thinking of doing, I was
mentioning WHAT MARVEL HAS ALREADY DONE. They've stated, in print (unfortun-
ately, I don't remember where I read it, I'm not sure I would even have the
comic anymore), that the story which placed Reed and Ben in WWII *did not*
happen!

[color=blue]>  other characters can't get away from it either..... xavier, capt. america,[/color]
[color=blue]>  wolverine, nick fury and others.....[/color]

Capt. America has already been explained away: he was frozen until his return
in THE AVENGERS #4. No conflict there. In MARVEL SPOTLIGHT #31, it was shown
that somewhere along the line, Nick Fury took an experimental immortality
serum (I don't recall the details, but I think he still has to take boosters
every now and then). No conflict there. Xavier never served in WWII, but in
Korea. No conflict there. Wolverine has never been said to have served in
WWII, though I recall a comment made by Claremont in an interview somewhere
that he and Byrne had thought about having a scene in which the X-Men run into
Cap, and Cap recognizes Logan as someone he knew in WWII. The idea is, of
course, that Logan's healing factor increases his life span. That incident
never came to pass, and I believe that Claremont has dropped the idea com-
pletely, thus, no conflict there.

[color=blue]>  one explanation that i have heard from marvel people is that in marvel time,[/color]
[color=blue]>  it really is about 1970... and that their years are longer than ours...[/color]

I've never heard this one. It certainly doesn't jive with various cultural
references (like the Newties going to see E.T., or Illyana sporting a "Team
Banzai" hat). The story that *I've* heard is as I mentioned before, that
the events that started the current Age of the Marvel Universe (FF #1),
happened around 1971 instead of 1961. This still conflicts with certain events,
but since most of the old stories are long out of print, most of the current
readership doesn't know or care about them. It's easier to rewrite past history
than current history.


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Re: re: Reed and WWII [message #113658 is a reply to message #111770] Tue, 17 September 2013 14:34 Go to previous message
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[color=blue]> /***** uokvax:net.comics / utzoo!henry /  1:36 am  Feb  9, 1985 */[/color]
[color=teal]>>  ... Wolverine has never been said to have served in[/color]
[color=teal]>>  WWII, though [Claremont was thinking about it][/color]
[color=blue]> [/color]
[color=blue]> Wolverine has explicitly referred to having experienced "that winter[/color]
[color=blue]> under Monte Cassino", or something along those lines (my X-Men back[/color]

I believe the reference is from the X-Men Annual (#3?) where the
X-Men go to hell, and Nightcrawler discovers his lover is his
sister (by adoption, of course!).

In X-Men #140 Wolverine says that he has been both a soldier and
an agent.  I firmly believe that he did see action in WW 2, and
his mutant healing factor will let him live a long, long time.
In the marvelous "Days of Future Past" story in X-Men #141-142,
30 years from now he's just a little gray around the temples,
with a few more lines in his face.

I also think Logan is the son of Sabertooth.  Originally there wa
an idea to have them fight to the death (over sufficient cause,
such as Sabertooth killing Mariko or similar provocation) and
have Logan kill his father ON PANEL, no mistake.  This probably
won't happen until Shooter leaves.  Incredibly enough, Shooter
has said that Wolverine has *never* killed anyone, surely one of
the most asinine statements ever made.  A very interesting
article in Amazing Heroes points out that ALL of the X-Men have
killed, and so what?

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with it.  I never use my claws on someone who hadn't tried to
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