Message-ID: <2486@ucla-cs.ARPA>
Date: Fri, 30-Nov-84 02:16:06 EST
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That last modest proposal wound up rather more modest than I had planned.
Let's try again.

Having just seen a different version of "Once Upon a Time in America", I was
reminded of someone's earlier posting which postulated what a Star Wars movie
directed by Sergio Leone would be like.  How about a Star Wars movie directed
by Orson Welles?  Why not


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		*	     Citizen Darth!		  *
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Luke could be dissastisfied with what he knows about his father, so he goes
on a quest through the galaxy looking for the real Darth Vader.  Everyone he
meets would give him a different impression of what Vader was really like.
Welles could even do a flashback to Vader's death and reveal that his last
word was really "Rosebud".  Think how hard it will be for even a Jedi like
Luke to turn up a sled out of all the garbage in the universe.  Perhaps the
Emperor's true hold on Vader was that he held the sled for ransom!  Perhaps
Annakin Skywalker will be unable to become one with the Force (or whatever)
until the sled is recovered.  Maybe Han Solo could be sorely tempted to sell
the sled for megacredits to some intergalactic souvenir collector.  (Extra
credit trivia question:  Who currently owns Rosebud?)  We might have something
here.  (Or, perhaps, not...)
-- 

					Peter Reiher
					reiher@ucla-cs.arpa
					{...ihnp4,ucbvax,sdcrdcf}!ucla-cs!reiher

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q


w
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dfslkfl;


lkfdg
;lfdkg;lka;dlgk



ZZ
agkfjlkadfgkj

Message-ID: <383@hou2e.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 13-Dec-84 11:41:07 EST
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Posted: Thu Dec 13 11:41:07 1984
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> From: schu@drutx.UUCP (SchulteSM)
> Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
>
>
> 
> q
> 
> 
> w
> .
> dfslkfl;
> 
> 
> lkfdg
> ;lfdkg;lka;dlgk
> 
> 
> 
> ZZ
> agkfjlkadfgkj
> 
>

Yes, I agree. This is definately a proposal worth considering.


					Dave Bloom
					Holmdel, NJ 

Message-ID: <393@klipper.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 17-Dec-84 17:23:59 EST
Article-I.D.: klipper.393
Posted: Mon Dec 17 17:23:59 1984
Date-Received: Wed, 19-Dec-84 02:19:30 EST
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Summary: 

In article <383@hou2e.UUCP> yosh@hou2e.UUCP (M.CHING) writes:
>> From: schu@drutx.UUCP (SchulteSM)
>> Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
>>
>>
>> 
>> q
>> 
>> 
>> w
>> .
>> dfslkfl;
>> 
>> 
>> lkfdg
>> ;lfdkg;lka;dlgk
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ZZ
>> agkfjlkadfgkj
>> 
>>
>
>Yes, I agree. This is definately a proposal worth considering.
>
>
>					Dave Bloom
>					Holmdel, NJ 

No, no, no!!!
I know, it sounds nice, but believe me, it just doesn't work. 
Someone over here brought this up on our local network, and we've
been discussing it over and again, and indeed, it sounds appealing,
but when you work out the details you'll find lots of inconsistencies
and problems. Don't try to reinvent the wheel, there are already
enough other proposals on this net which ask for our attention.
-- 

							  Biep.
	{seismo|decvax|philabs}!mcvax!vu44!botter!klipper!biep

I utterly disagree with  everything  you are saying,  but I 
am prepared to fight to the death for your right to say it.
							--Voltaire

Message-ID: <24@epsilon.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 18-Dec-84 19:28:29 EST
Article-I.D.: epsilon.24
Posted: Tue Dec 18 19:28:29 1984
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In article <393@klipper.UUCP> biep writes:
>>> From: schu@drutx.UUCP (SchulteSM)
>>> Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> q
>>> 
>>> 
>>> w
>>> .
>>> dfslkfl;
>>> 
>>> 
>>> lkfdg
>>> ;lfdkg;lka;dlgk
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ZZ
>>> agkfjlkadfgkj
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>Yes, I agree. This is definately a proposal worth considering.
>>
>
>No, no, no!!!
>I know, it sounds nice, but believe me, it just doesn't work. 
>Someone over here brought this up on our local network, and we've
>been discussing it over and again, and indeed, it sounds appealing,
>but when you work out the details you'll find lots of inconsistencies
>and problems. Don't try to reinvent the wheel, there are already
>enough other proposals on this net which ask for our attention.
>
Well, we've actually done it here, and it works out just fine. Of course,
we had to make certain minor changes like "DfXlkfl;:" instead of
"dfslkfl;" as was indicated in the original article. You'll note that
otherwise a contradiction arises when "ZZ" is implemented.

						Ed Sheppard
						Bell Communications Research

Message-ID: <6719@brl-tgr.ARPA>
Date: Fri, 21-Dec-84 10:46:18 EST
Article-I.D.: brl-tgr.6719
Posted: Fri Dec 21 10:46:18 1984
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Summary: 

In article <24@epsilon.UUCP> you write:
>In article <393@klipper.UUCP> biep writes:
>>>> From: schu@drutx.UUCP (SchulteSM)
>>>> Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> q
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> w
>>>> .
>>>> dfslkfl;
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> lkfdg
>>>> ;lfdkg;lka;dlgk
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ZZ
>>>> agkfjlkadfgkj
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, I agree. This is definately a proposal worth considering.
>>>
>>
>>No, no, no!!!
>>I know, it sounds nice, but believe me, it just doesn't work. 
>>Someone over here brought this up on our local network, and we've
>>been discussing it over and again, and indeed, it sounds appealing,
>>but when you work out the details you'll find lots of inconsistencies
>>and problems. Don't try to reinvent the wheel, there are already
>>enough other proposals on this net which ask for our attention.
>>
>Well, we've actually done it here, and it works out just fine. Of course,
>we had to make certain minor changes like "DfXlkfl;:" instead of
>"dfslkfl;" as was indicated in the original article. You'll note that
>otherwise a contradiction arises when "ZZ" is implemented.
>
>						Ed Sheppard
>						Bell Communications Research


	Alright! I'm sick of this! Why is it that every time someone
puts a good piece into public domain, somebody has to good and change
the source! The next thing to happen it some BO-ZO will try to use
this changed version without taking the time to read the documentation -
and naturally the FOOL starts flaming to the original poster!!!!

	
                                         Geoff Sauerborn

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Date: Fri, 28-Dec-84 13:22:21 EST
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Posted: Fri Dec 28 13:22:21 1984
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> In article <24@epsilon.UUCP> you write:
> >In article <393@klipper.UUCP> biep writes:
> >>>> From: schu@drutx.UUCP (SchulteSM)
> >>>> Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 
> >>>> q
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> w
> >>>> .
> >>>> dfslkfl;
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> lkfdg
> >>>> ;lfdkg;lka;dlgk
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> ZZ
> >>>> agkfjlkadfgkj
> >>>> 
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Yes, I agree. This is definately a proposal worth considering.
> >>>
> >>
> >>No, no, no!!!
> >>I know, it sounds nice, but believe me, it just doesn't work. 
> >>Someone over here brought this up on our local network, and we've
> >>been discussing it over and again, and indeed, it sounds appealing,
> >>but when you work out the details you'll find lots of inconsistencies
> >>and problems. Don't try to reinvent the wheel, there are already
> >>enough other proposals on this net which ask for our attention.
> >>
> >Well, we've actually done it here, and it works out just fine. Of course,
> >we had to make certain minor changes like "DfXlkfl;:" instead of
> >"dfslkfl;" as was indicated in the original article. You'll note that
> >otherwise a contradiction arises when "ZZ" is implemented.
> >
> >						Ed Sheppard
> >						Bell Communications Research
> 
> 
> 	Alright! I'm sick of this! Why is it that every time someone
> puts a good piece into public domain, somebody has to good and change
> the source! The next thing to happen it some BO-ZO will try to use
> this changed version without taking the time to read the documentation -
> and naturally the FOOL starts flaming to the original poster!!!!
> 
> 	
>                                          Geoff Sauerborn

This really belongs in net.sources.     Larry Fast

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In article <6719@brl-tgr.ARPA>,
	geoffs@brl-tgr.ARPA (Geoffrey Sauerborn (TANK) ) writes:
>In article <24@epsilon.UUCP> you write:
>>In article <393@klipper.UUCP> biep writes:
>>>>> From: schu@drutx.UUCP (SchulteSM)
>>>>> Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> q
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> w
>>>>> .
>>>>> dfslkfl;
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> lkfdg
>>>>> ;lfdkg;lka;dlgk
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ZZ
>>>>> agkfjlkadfgkj
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes, I agree. This is definately a proposal worth considering.
>>>>
>>>
>>>No, no, no!!!
>>>I know, it sounds nice, but believe me, it just doesn't work. 
>>>Someone over here brought this up on our local network, and we've
>>>been discussing it over and again, and indeed, it sounds appealing,
>>>but when you work out the details you'll find lots of inconsistencies
>>>and problems. Don't try to reinvent the wheel, there are already
>>>enough other proposals on this net which ask for our attention.
>>>
>>Well, we've actually done it here, and it works out just fine. Of course,
>>we had to make certain minor changes like "DfXlkfl;:" instead of
>>"dfslkfl;" as was indicated in the original article. You'll note that
>>otherwise a contradiction arises when "ZZ" is implemented.
>>
>>						Ed Sheppard
>>						Bell Communications Research
>
>
>	Alright! I'm sick of this! Why is it that every time someone
>puts a good piece into public domain, somebody has to good and change
>the source! The next thing to happen it some BO-ZO will try to use
>this changed version without taking the time to read the documentation -
>and naturally the FOOL starts flaming to the original poster!!!!
>
>	
>                                         Geoff Sauerborn

	You all don't seem to get the point. Indeed, Ed, it is possible
to adapt the thing to your local network, when all machines are compa-
tible, none is running notesfiles, all are little-endian, and at least
some of them are not feeding news to decvax, mcvax or purdue (and per-
haps others, I've not yet got time to find out), and some other little
things. *But not all sites of USENET do!!!* And what is happening then
is that everybody starts making his local patches, and we end up even
worse than we started. The whole mistake is due to the starting "q",
which supposes a local "edsgr w534cb67835", since otherwise indeed "ZZ"
goes wrong in boundary cases.
	I must say I do not yet completely understand Ed's patch, it
occurs to me that this only works because of some local changes to the
rot13 algorithm. That can hardly be called "portable", can it?
	Geoff, I think your argument goes wrong at the word "good".
	I would say: quit the idea, the gains for sf-movie-lovers do
not outweigh the burden for the rest of us.
-- 

							  Biep.
	{seismo|decvax|philabs}!mcvax!vu44!botter!klipper!biep

I utterly disagree with  everything  you are saying,  but I 
am prepared to fight to the death for your right to say it.
							--Voltaire