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Into Darkness (SPOILERS) [message #87327] Wed, 19 June 2013 14:23 Go to next message
Anthony Buckland is currently offline  Anthony Buckland
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Warned, you, SPOILERS!

Finally saw the movie. Which means that spoiler alerts are going
to be irrelevant for the hordes who went to see it right away.

Those street uniforms! Make Starfleet officers look like members
of the royal guard in some old movie about Ruritania.

Do we treat the hands-against-the-glass-dying scene as a
total ripoff from the original Khan movie, or as an homage?
But, first Kirk is told he'll die before making the climb,
then he makes it, indulges in some highly athletic moves in
the good old "if it won't work, give it a good kick"
tradition, succeeds, climbs back down, _then_ he gets
around to knowing he's dead. In a manner of speaking.

Was that actually a fire extinguisher hose such as we use
way back here in the 21st Century?

The attack on the officers' meeting was ripped right off from
The Godfather, part II if I recall correctly, where a
Mafia leaders' meeting high in an Atlantic City building
was attacked by a militarily-armed helicopter.

Warp drives really need some miniaturization work. That
far in the future, they shouldn't be the size of oil
refineries. As compared to the extreme miniaturization
of the poor misled father's suicide explosive, for
instance.

The backgrounds for the beginning of the end credits,
besides being, astronomically, ludicrous, represent what?
The wreckage left behind as Kirk, presumably shocked into
finally becoming mature, nevertheless lurches from planet-killing
battle to battle on his 5-year mission?

Mixed feelings for me about reintroducing the music from
TOS. I much prefer he music from TNG, when they realized
that the Starfleet universe was a serious place. A matter
of taste.

Oh, what a better world we live in now regarding sexual
liberation. Older fans will recall when the idea of a kiss
involving an Afro woman and a human man was a national
scandal among the conservative viewers who had to be
pandered to by the networks.
Re: Into Darkness (SPOILERS) [message #88051 is a reply to message #87327] Thu, 20 June 2013 11:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Daniel47@teranews.com is currently offline  Daniel47@teranews.com
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Anthony Buckland wrote:

<Snip>

> an Afro woman and a human man was


What?? "Afro" men are not human men??

Daniel
Re: Into Darkness (SPOILERS) [message #88052 is a reply to message #87327] Thu, 20 June 2013 12:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
g8orboe is currently offline  g8orboe
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There were a lot of nonsensical and incongruous parts, but I still enjoyed the movie. The last 30 minutes or so was nonstop excitement! I believe it was successful enough that we will see more Star Trek in the future, which is a good thing.
Re: Into Darkness (SPOILERS) [message #88053 is a reply to message #88051] Thu, 20 June 2013 13:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anthony Buckland is currently offline  Anthony Buckland
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On 20/06/2013 8:38 AM, Daniel47@teranews.com wrote:
> Anthony Buckland wrote:

>

> <Snip>

>

>> an Afro woman and a human man was

>

> What?? "Afro" men are not human men??

>

> Daniel

>


In this movie, a nominally Vulcan, although
actually partly human, man has a hot thing
going with an Afro human woman. In the
earlier, at the time deemed to be scandalous,
case (Original Series, I think) the same female
Afro human character had a reasonably chaste
kiss with one of the pink ("white" was
always a ridiculous term) human men, I
think maybe it was Kirk. Maybe. Afro men we
know of now are of course human. But then we
get to Voyager, and that simple characterization
doesn't hold up ...

On Earth now, we are increasingly escaping from
the prejudices of only a few decades ago, to
the point where commercials and ads often
prefer a racially mixed couple for the sake
of visual variety and to appeal to the
growing market of people who no longer have
any trouble with any mixture you care to
name. (My perspective is from Vancouver,
Canada.) This is a big change from my youth,
and is very, very good.
Re: Into Darkness (SPOILERS) [message #88407 is a reply to message #88053] Fri, 21 June 2013 08:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Daniel47@teranews.com is currently offline  Daniel47@teranews.com
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Anthony Buckland wrote:
> On 20/06/2013 8:38 AM, Daniel47@teranews.com wrote:

>> Anthony Buckland wrote:

>>

>> <Snip>

>>

>>> an Afro woman and a human man was

>>

>> What?? "Afro" men are not human men??

>>

>> Daniel

>>

>

> In this movie, a nominally Vulcan, although

> actually partly human, man has a hot thing

> going with an Afro human woman. In the

> earlier, at the time deemed to be scandalous,

> case (Original Series, I think) the same female

> Afro human character had a reasonably chaste

> kiss with one of the pink ("white" was

> always a ridiculous term) human men, I

> think maybe it was Kirk. Maybe. Afro men we

> know of now are of course human. But then we

> get to Voyager, and that simple characterization

> doesn't hold up ...

>

> On Earth now, we are increasingly escaping from

> the prejudices of only a few decades ago, to

> the point where commercials and ads often

> prefer a racially mixed couple for the sake

> of visual variety and to appeal to the

> growing market of people who no longer have

> any trouble with any mixture you care to

> name. (My perspective is from Vancouver,

> Canada.) This is a big change from my youth,

> and is very, very good.


Seems to me, in the original Star Trek, Spock's mother was a human and
his father was a Vulcan, so inter-racial/species, inter-breeding is well
established in Star Trek!

Daniel
Re: Into Darkness (SPOILERS) [message #98658 is a reply to message #88407] Mon, 22 July 2013 08:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Daughtry is currently offline  Aaron Daughtry
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On 2013-06-21 12:26:15 +0000, Daniel47@teranews.com said:

> Seems to me, in the original Star Trek, Spock's mother was a human and

> his father was a Vulcan, so inter-racial/species, inter-breeding is

> well established in Star Trek!

>

> Daniel


The only thing Star Trek’s missing now is an episode on gay issues. And
that one with Riker and the “female” non-sex race doesn’t count. I
think Frakes actually wanted the part played by a man, to hammer the
point home, and the higher-ups thought that would be taking it too far.
Re: Into Darkness (SPOILERS) [message #99824 is a reply to message #98658] Sun, 28 July 2013 07:05 Go to previous message
Wouter Valentijn is currently offline  Wouter Valentijn
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Aaron Daughtry wrote:
> On 2013-06-21 12:26:15 +0000, Daniel47@teranews.com said:

>

>> Seems to me, in the original Star Trek, Spock's mother was a human

>> and his father was a Vulcan, so inter-racial/species, inter-breeding

>> is well established in Star Trek!

>>

>> Daniel

>

> The only thing Star Trek's missing now is an episode on gay issues.

> And that one with Riker and the "female" non-sex race doesn't count. I

> think Frakes actually wanted the part played by a man, to hammer the

> point home, and the higher-ups thought that would be taking it too

> far.


What about the one with Dax and her former lover?


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