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As far as Herbert goes, I must agree that he is definitely
not one of the most awesome of writers.  On the other hand...

HARLAN ELLISON

I recommend anything that this man has wrote, and if you can
get your hands on a slightly obscure book by Keith Laumer
called "Five Fates", it includes stories by Laumer, Ellison,
Herbert, Dickson and Anderson.

Keith Laumer wrote a one page start of a story, and the all
five of them wrote separate short stories using it as the 
basis of their story.  One can see their divergent styles
just by analyzing each of their first paragraphs.

One more thing:  If anyone has a way of obtaining some of
Ellison's older books, send me a message.

	You can't always get what you want,
	But if you try sometimes you just might find
	You don't get it anyway.


		yteitz

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RE: Harlan Ellision?

I suppose if what you like is termainally depressing unrelieved morbidness,
Ellision is the writer for you.  Personally, I would rather read something
that has at least one little glimmer of humanness somewhere in it.  

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{You can't have everything--where would you put it?}


Regarding the recent note concerning the "morbidity" and lack of humanity of
Harlan Ellison, I find it hard to believe that anyone who has read any fair 
share of his work could question his feeling for people.  Admittedly some of 
his stories are grim (i.e. "I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream") and most 
exhibit a cynical view of the human race, but it obviously stems from his deep
concern for the poor way in which we present ourselves as a supposedly wise
and caring species.  Such works as "Jeffty is Five" and "Repent! Harlequin,
Cried the Ticktockman" are warm, funny and supremely humane, while still
challenging us to better ourselves.  I would much rather read the works of a 
man who dares us to be what we should, as opposed to the stories of many
authors who merely congratulate us on being such a grand folk.

                                  Comments, anyone?


                                  Hal Render
                                  U. of Illinois
                                  (uiucdcsb!render)

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RE: Harlan Ellision?

I suppose if what you like is termainally depressing unrelieved morbidness,
Ellision is the writer for you.  Personally, I would rather read something
that has at least one little glimmer of humanness somewhere in it.  
/* ---------- */

"Looking for Kadak" (sp?) terminally depressing unrelieved morbidness?

Much of what Ellison writes is depressing, but *all* of it makes me think.
I like that; that's why I like Ellison.

	  

		
		
		
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> RE: Harlan Ellision?
> 
> I suppose if what you like is termainally depressing unrelieved morbidness,
> Ellision is the writer for you.  Personally, I would rather read something
> that has at least one little glimmer of humanness somewhere in it.  

If you want humanity...try his stories:

	1.  Looking for Kadak--in Approaching Oblivion
	2.  The 3 Most Important Things in My Life--in Stalking the Nightmare.

If you want others...just ask.


			yair griver...

				logging on as yteitz @ aecom


--Don't care if you got no legs...DANCE ON YO' KNEES!!--

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In article <11700028@ea.UUCP> mwm@ea.UUCP writes:
>I suppose if what you like is termainally depressing unrelieved morbidness,
>Ellision is the writer for you.  Personally, I would rather read something
>that has at least one little glimmer of humanness somewhere in it.  

If this is what you want, I suggest Kurt Vonnegut instead. Harlan does have
a warmer side (Repent, Harlequin! comes to mind) although even then he
bites. Vonnegut is unrepentently depressing. So is Heller, for that matter.

chuq
-- 
From the Department of Bistromatics:                   Chuq Von Rospach
{cbosgd,decwrl,fortune,hplabs,ihnp4,seismo}!nsc!chuqui  nsc!chuqui@decwrl.ARPA

  I'd know those eyes from a million years away....

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> The story that "A Boy and His Dog" came from was "Blood's a rover";

	Nope, the movie "A Boy and His Dog" came from the story
"A Boy and His Dog". The story "Blood's a Rover" is a sequel (or maybe
a prequel) written after "A Boy and His Dog".


			Joe Kalash
			kalash@berkeley
			ucbvax!kalash