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Atari's new 16 bit'r [message #83229] Mon, 10 June 2013 21:26 Go to next message
keithd is currently offline  keithd
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Message-ID: <371@cadovax.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 23-Jan-85 13:11:46 EST
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[..........]
I've recently read some Usenet articles expressing some doubt about
Atari's ability to produce these new claimed 16 bit products, i.e.
68000 with GEM for $399 etc.  While they may be sticking their neck
out, I think many of us should HOPE they succeed.  Otherwise, we'll
probably be looking at that 8086 family junk for the rest of our lives.

I think that both Motorola and Digital Research probably have a fair
size stake in this matter.  In order to capture a bigger piece of the
3rd party software market, they both benifit from a standardized operating
system that is transportable to various 68000 based machines.  Certainly
Apple is not offering this with their Mac, (try running MacPaint or 
MacWhatever off the shelf on anything but an Apple product!).
Software developers want to see an applications environment that provides
object-code transportability to a variety of machines from different
manufacturers.  Right now, that means IBM and clones.

I certainly hope Atari succeeds, as the new products may finally establish
an environment on the 68000 that is more condusive to applications growth.

Rather than take the 'It'll be a cold day in hell...' attitude about the
new Atari (which may amount to saying 'It'll be a cold day in hell when
you can find any 68000 generic applications'), I'd rather wish them luck
and hope that their cutthroat marketing approach has the desired effect
of establishing the 68000 de-facto standard.


Keith Doyle
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"You'll PAY to know what you REALLY think!"
Re: Atari's new 16 bit'r [message #83237 is a reply to message #83229] Mon, 10 June 2013 21:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Date: Sun, 27-Jan-85 17:32:07 EST
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[color=blue]>  I think that both Motorola and Digital Research probably have a fair[/color]
[color=blue]>  size stake in this matter.  In order to capture a bigger piece of the[/color]
[color=blue]>  3rd party software market, they both benifit from a standardized operating[/color]
[color=blue]>  system that is transportable to various 68000 based machines.  Certainly[/color]
[color=blue]>  Apple is not offering this with their Mac, (try running MacPaint or [/color]
[color=blue]>  MacWhatever off the shelf on anything but an Apple product!).[/color]

Is Atari?  GEM may run on multiple machines, but I'd gotten the impression
that Atari was using a proprietary OS.

	Guy Harris
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Re: Atari's new 16 bit'r [message #83238 is a reply to message #83229] Mon, 10 June 2013 21:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Date: Tue, 29-Jan-85 08:46:22 EST
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In article <395@rlgvax.UUCP> guy@rlgvax.UUCP (Guy Harris) writes:

[color=teal]>>  I think that both Motorola and Digital Research probably have a fair[/color]
[color=teal]>>  size stake in this matter.  In order to capture a bigger piece of the[/color]
[color=teal]>>  3rd party software market, they both benifit from a standardized operating[/color]
[color=teal]>>  system that is transportable to various 68000 based machines.  Certainly[/color]
[color=teal]>>  Apple is not offering this with their Mac, (try running MacPaint or [/color]
[color=teal]>>  MacWhatever off the shelf on anything but an Apple product!).[/color]

[color=blue]> Is Atari?  GEM may run on multiple machines, but I'd gotten the impression[/color]
[color=blue]> that Atari was using a proprietary OS.[/color]

In fact, the Ataris use the venerable CP/M-68K with the GSX graphics
kernel.  Not exactly a proprietary operating system.

			\tom haapanen
			watmath!watdcsu!haapanen
Re: Atari's new 16 bit'r [message #83242 is a reply to message #83229] Mon, 10 June 2013 21:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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[Aren't you hungry...?]

	On the topic of standard environments - no one says you must use the
Mac ROMS.  I suspect that some of it is useful and that a GEM
implementation might be done fairly painlessly for the Mac.  Any thoughts?

Jon Shapiro

P.S. I am not volunteering.
Re: Atari's new 16 bit'r [message #83254 is a reply to message #83229] Mon, 10 June 2013 21:26 Go to previous message
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Date: Sat, 2-Feb-85 18:27:32 EST
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Contrary to early reports, the Atari ST computers will not use CP/M 68K,
rather an incompatible offspring of CP/M designed to take advantage of the
Graphics Environment Manager.



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