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In this issue:
	Re: Local Girls Of Hawaii
	Re: Local Girls Of Hawaii
	Re: Local Girls Of Hawaii
	RE: Local Girls Of Hawaii
	RE: Local Girls Of Hawaii
	Update: FS: PC Engine Collection - prices posted
	Turbo Grafx Forums.  Do they exist?
	Re: Turbo Grafx Forums.  Do they exist?

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From: bt@joyce.eng.yale.edu
Date: Wed Jul  2 05:57:24 EDT 2003
Subject: Re: Local Girls Of Hawaii


@> So in the end, it seems that no one really knows where these games were made
@> or what market they were intended for? Id really love to find out more
@> information on these.  For now i personally consider them US releases, And
@> if they end up not being US then hell i still have three Rare NEC items.
As I posted earlier on this topic....they were made by "Excite Software"
out of Texas.  This info is from an insider at NEC.  Beyond that I have
no other info on Excite Software.  I can assure you that these things
were not carried at "Toys R Us" in the US.

@> When i say homebrew i refer to the days of bedroom coders, guys who didnt do
@> artwork, didnt get a disk manufactured didnt press a label onto the disk
@> etc, didnt really intend to sell anything, just did it for the love of it,
@> and if they got lucky the made some bucks to cover the time it took.
@> Basically they'd send you a 3 1/2 disk with a hand written label or
@> something along those lines ( Think days of the Commodore 64 , perhaps it
@> was a different scene in the US ?).  Id classify this title as "Pirate", ie
@> non official release by company X.  But not homebrew.  I hope that gives you
@> more understanding of what i meant.  Perhaps that explains my meaning of
@> "Professional" ie they were made to sell, not as demo or for fun etc..

So, by this definition, "Implode" is also a "pirate" title ?  To me, 
homebrew means exactly what it says: it was made at someone's home,
regardless of whether it was released for profit, or in commercial
packaging.  But to each their own opinion.

-bt


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From: gjc53@student.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: Wed Jul  2 06:15:31 EDT 2003
Subject: Re: Local Girls Of Hawaii



 >  @> When i say homebrew i refer to the days of bedroom coders, guys who
didnt do
 >  @> artwork, didnt get a disk manufactured didnt press a label onto the
disk
 >  @> etc, didnt really intend to sell anything, just did it for the love of
it,
 >  @> and if they got lucky the made some bucks to cover the time it took.
 >  @> Basically they'd send you a 3 1/2 disk with a hand written label or
 >  @> something along those lines ( Think days of the Commodore 64 , perhaps
it
 >  @> was a different scene in the US ?).  Id classify this title as
"Pirate", ie
 >  @> non official release by company X.  But not homebrew.  I hope that
gives you
 >  @> more understanding of what i meant.  Perhaps that explains my meaning
of
 >  @> "Professional" ie they were made to sell, not as demo or for fun etc..
 > 
 >  So, by this definition, "Implode" is also a "pirate" title ?  To me,
 >  homebrew means exactly what it says: it was made at someone's home,
 >  regardless of whether it was released for profit, or in commercial
 >  packaging.  But to each their own opinion.

I dont think im ever going to explain my thoughts on this one ( for the
record id call implode homebrew )  :) .  Surely you have to agree that
homebrew in 2003 is completely different to homebrew in the late 80's /
early 90's.  All im saying is that 10 or so years ago a homebrew production
would not have been up to the std that the hawaii girls cds are, ie i dont
think they would have had covers, and pressed cds with graphical labels.
Perhaps im wrong, im comparing to what went on in the UK.  Surely you
wouldnt of expected Implode to look as good as it does ( ie packaging etc )
if it was done back when the turbo was released? I seriously doubt it, in
fact would it of even been possible to do?.  So to summarise, *I THINK* the
hawaii girls cd may only be up to todays homebrew quality ( Implode is
clearly better ), but 10 years ago it would have beyond what homebrewers
were able to do ( not code or game wise, but packaging wise ).  Anyways its
just my opinion.. perhaps im completely wrong, so be it.. im not from or in
the US and wasnt around when the turbo was released, its an interesting
topic though.


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From: duo16@mindspring.com
Date: Wed Jul  2 11:06:59 EDT 2003
Subject: Re: Local Girls Of Hawaii


    The only store in Japan which had one of each of the three was an 
import store in Akihabara.  Now I say "import" because this store, to 
this day, really only carries North American Genesis, Dreamacst, 
Playstation, etc. games.  They have almost no Japanese stuff.     (That seems to be a growing trend there. I was stunned to see 
imported Dreamcast VMUs, keyboards, controllers and games at stores 
like SofMap, Laox, and other big chains.)     Anyway, about LGoH, I used to see them for sale through video game 
stores that did mail order.  In fact, I think that's where I got mine 
(I only ever had the first one).  Whether they are homebrew or not, 
they are sought after and worth having if only because they are the 
first "successful" homebrew attempts for the system.  I say 
"successful" because 10 years after their release, people are still 
looking for them and we are still talking about them.  But for 
entertainment value, they are probably rated only a little higher than 
the Saturn E-book disc.     As for point of origin, I have to say Hawaii.  I've never seen 
these photos anyplace else so whoever made this probably had worked 
with the person or people who shot these photos which apperently were 
shot in Hawaii.  Since I have never seen this content anywhere else, I 
assume it was all exclusive to the Duo release.  The English writing 
and the fact that, if I'm not mistaken, "PC Engine" is not on there but 
"TurboDuo" is have to account for something.     The other thing that is interesting is that LGoH really got me 
thinking that it was possible to do do unofficial things with the Duo.  
I've always wanted to put together a photo Cd and stills of statistics, 
photos of fans playing, screenshots, even fan art or brief video clips 
of great Turbo games with my own remixes of fave Turbo music playing in 
the background.  a Turbo Tribute disc of sorts.  LGoH let me think that 
was all somehow possible because somebody was able to stick 50 Hawaiian 
cuties onto a disc.  

 > I remember seeing one or two of these in store in Japan.  It was
 > definitely out of place compared to all the official PCE games >on the 
shelf around it.  This place was in a shopping center >and was a fairly 
"mainstream" game store.Now that I think about >it, that store also had 
some unofficial MegaDrive >games at one time too.

 > David Woodford
 > dfw@umich.edu
 



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From: digital.press@verizon.net
Date: Wed Jul  2 12:35:55 EDT 2003
Subject: RE: Local Girls Of Hawaii


George, please tell me you didn't pay the cover price of the game back then!

Oh DOCTOR!

Joe Santulli
Editor-in-Chief, Digital Press
Staff Writer, Tips & Tricks Magazine
Co-organizer, Classic Gaming Expo
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Retro Gaming Forum - http://www.digitpress.com/forum

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From: duo16@mindspring.com
Date: Wed Jul  2 13:00:13 EDT 2003
Subject: RE: Local Girls Of Hawaii


oh my goodness, hell no!  i'm way too cheap for that.  i got mine for 
$35 or so and i thought it was worth it.  i would have paid $100 for 
all three if they were available though. 
 >  
 >  George, please tell me you didn't pay the cover price of the game back
then!

Oh DOCTOR!

Joe Santulli

 >  



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From: mmpoole@students.uiuc.edu
Date: Wed Jul  2 16:34:56 EDT 2003
Subject: Update: FS: PC Engine Collection - prices posted


Prices DO NOT include shipping.  Shipping will be $4 for Priority mail for up 
to 5 games, then $0.50 more for each additional game.   I may do discounts if 
many games are purchased.  I do need payment within 24 hrs of agreement to buy 
as I'm moving in under two weeks and need to get these out of here.  I will 
take Paypal only:

Credit cards:  mmpoole@u.washington.edu
Non-credit cards:  mmpoole@uiuc.edu

I can sell everything together for $800 shipped.

Thanks.

Hucard Games (GAME ONLY unless noted):

about 30 with japanese titles I can't read:  $225 shipped 
After Burner II:  $10
Armed F (game + instructions + case): $15
Atomic Robo-Kid (game + instructions + case): $15
Ballistix (game + instructions + case): $10
Barunba (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case): $10
Bloody Wolf: $10
BomberMan: $10
BomberMan '93 (game + instructions + case): $15
Bonk 1: $10
Champion Wrestler: $5
Cyber Core (game + instructions + case): $15
Cyber Cross: $10
Darius Plus: $10
Dead Moon: $10
Deep Blue (game + instructions + case): $10
Doraemon (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case): $10
Doraemon (on flying carpet) (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case): $15
Download (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case): $20
Dragon Egg! (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case): $20
Dragon Saber:  $10
Dragon Spirit (game + instructions + case): $10
F1 Circus (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case): $5
F1 Circus '91: $5
F1 Circus '92: $5
F1 Pilot: $10
F1 Triple Battle: $10
Fantasy Zone: $10
Fantasy Zone (game + instructions + case): $15
Final Blaster (game + instructions + case): $15
Final Soldier (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case): $20
Formation Soccer: $5
Formation Soccer on J League: $5
Gradius: $15
Gunhed: $20
Image Fight (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case):  $15
Klax:  $10
Knight Rider Special:  $10
Lode Runner (sealed):  $15
Metal Stoker:  $15
Mr. Heli (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case):  $15
Nectaris:  $10
Newzealand Story:  $15
Operation Wolf (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case):  $15
Ordyne (with instructions): $10
Out Run:  $10
Override (game + instructions):  $15
P-47:  $15
Pac-Land:  $5
Paranoia (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case):  $10
Parodius (game + instructions + case):  $20
Populous (game (only one hucard) + plastic sleeve + instructions + case):  $10
Power Eleven:  $5
Power League III:  $5
Psycho Chaser (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case):  $10
Rabio Lepus (game + instructions + case):  $15
Rastan Saga II:  $5
Rock-On (game + instructions + case): $10 
R-type I (game + instructions + case):  $15
R-type II (game + instructions + case): $15
Salamander (game + instructions):  $15
Son Son II:  $5
Space Harrier (game + instructions + case):  $10
Space Invaders (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case):  $15
Special Criminal Investigation (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case):  
$15
Spin Pair (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case):  $10
Spiral Wave:  $5
Street Fighter II:  $5
Super Star Soldier:  $15
Super 5 in 1 (Can't get to work right now, but has worked):  $5
Super Volley Ball (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case): $5
Toy Shop Boys (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case): $15
Twinbee (game + plastic sleeve + instructions + case):  $20
Vigilante:  $5
War of the Dead: $5
Winning Shot: $5
Zero 4 Champ: $10
W Ring The Double Rings:  $15

CD games:
J.B. Harold Murder Club (game + instructions + case): $10
Monster Lair (game + instructions + case + outer box):  $15
Ys Book I & II (game + instructions + case):  $20



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From: ddragoli@chemrx.com
Date: Wed Jul  2 19:13:16 EDT 2003
Subject: Turbo Grafx Forums.  Do they exist?


So, is there a full-fledged Turbo/PC Engine forum in existence anywhere? 
 Like the forums at Neo-Geo.com with active threads, selling, wanted, 
general sections?  I think there really needs to be one somewhere.  

Anyone want to start one?



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From: ddragoli@chemrx.com
Date: Wed Jul  2 19:44:20 EDT 2003
Subject: Re: Turbo Grafx Forums.  Do they exist?


It's nothing official, but there are allot of turbo fans (quite a few of
them list members) at www.gametz.com and there is a vintage games forum that
turbo topics pop up in frequently. If you don't see a current one then just
start up a new topic and most of the turbo fans on the site will find it.
They are actually offering a current promotion where you get 1 months free
of subscription time so you have nothing to lose and might actually end up
finding a bunch of turbo goodies other game related items to trade for in
the process.

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