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	Weird PC Engine Game ...
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	RE: I need info on an all in one Turbo system...
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	Re: turbo-digest, Volume 108, Issue 49
	hucards 
	Re: hucards

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From: CitMike@aol.com
Date: Thu Feb 21 11:32:57 EST 2002
Subject: Re: I need info on an all in one Turbo system...


Hey, you guys left out this idea.  A PC-Engine LT with the necessary adapters.

While were on the subject, how many list members have a pc-engine lt in 
their collection? 
Any impressions about the pc-engine duo monitor?
I know it has a 6" tft screen, how does it compare to the 
turboexpress/pc-engine gt's screen? 
Mike 


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From: capt692@home.com
Date: Thu Feb 21 12:05:49 EST 2002
Subject: Weird PC Engine Game ...


I played a really weird game at Katsu Con. It was some Beta game that was 
never realeased. Only the first stage was complete. It had the graphics 
engine of Space Harrier and the Character Design of Fantasy Zone. Anyone 
know anything about this game? What is it called? It was pretty kewl. How 
hard is it to get ahold of this item?
Joe
BTW, Kevin? Stefan? Are either of you guys on this list?



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From: gamescan@pacbell.net
Date: Thu Feb 21 12:20:22 EST 2002
Subject: Re: Weird PC Engine Game ...


 >  never released. Only the first stage was complete. It had the graphics
 >  engine of Space Harrier and the Character Design of Fantasy Zone. Anyone

It's called Space Fantasy Zone.

Full game was done AFAIK.

 >  know anything about this game? What is it called? It was pretty kewl. How
 >  hard is it to get ahold of this item?

It got "leaked" onto the net a year or so back. Some list members had it and
were trying to sell it which pissed off other list members so someone just
posted it up. Check the list archives and I'm sure you'll find it.



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From: awarrington@biochem.umsmed.edu
Date: Thu Feb 21 12:57:36 EST 2002
Subject: Re: Weird PC Engine Game ...


Wouldn't it be neat if we could get these legal games and demos onto =
something that those of us who like using the real hardware could use to =
try these things out.  Perhaps putting the space fantasy zone and the =
other demos on a CD to use in the duo and not some emu?  Even a smallish =
run of hus would be cool and definitely worth my $.

Has anyone done this or is attempting to do this? =20

Anthony



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From: Wedgerog1@aol.com
Date: Thu Feb 21 13:04:32 EST 2002
Subject: Re: Weird PC Engine Game ...


I've always wondered how much it would cost to do a run of HuCards.  I mean 
come on, they can't be as expensive as normal cartridges... there were all 
sorts of homemade Atari carts, weren't there?  I'd like to see some of the 
games that people have made on their own in physical form, since I hate 
playing games via e mulators.

-Joe R.

<< Even a smallish =
 run of hus would be cool and definitely worth my $. >>


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From: daves@interlog.com
Date: Thu Feb 21 13:59:00 EST 2002
Subject: Re: Weird PC Engine Game ...



 > Wouldn't it be neat if we could get these legal games and demos onto =
 > something that those of us who like using the real hardware could use to =
 > try these things out.  Perhaps putting the space fantasy zone and the =
 > other demos on a CD to use in the duo and not some emu?  Even a smallish =
 > run of hus would be cool and definitely worth my $.
 > 
 > Has anyone done this or is attempting to do this? =20

Hmmm...

Space Fantasy Zone was a Super CDROM, not a HuCard.

All of the HuC demos can now be compiled into Super CDROM form, not just 
run as a ROM image in an emulator.  I have worked with Zeograd and David 
Michel to make this a reality - and the quality of games and demos is 
constantly improving.  In fact, you can now create 'overlays' for CDROMs - 
this is how you can tie several different programs together to make one 
cohesive CDROM image (like the Ultrabox magazines).

I try to encourage the HuC developers to put source code on www.zeograd.com 
for exactly this reason - so people can make a CDROM image if they want, or 
alter it to suit their own tastes, and learn more about programming for the 
PCE.

For HuCards:
Jerry DaSilva has the most experience with making HuCard-like PC Boards... 
he made some development boards last year.

Cost breakdown for making HuCard:
1) $10 for HuCard board when done in batch of 100 pieces - probably closer 
to $5 when done in batch of 500-1000 pieces
2) $2-$6 for a 4Mb Flash memory (if you can find them... they're starting 
to get scarce)
3) EPROM programmer
4) soldering to the board
5) development of whatever you want to put on it
6) shipping

So, we're probably talking about $20 as an absolute minimum.  From the way 
I hear people talk about the system these days, it would have to be a 
really good game to warrant these prices for anything more than about a 
dozen people.  And with the smallish group of collectors as the only 
public, the price would have to be $30 or higher.

On the other hand, a CDROM is less of a restrictive medium, can easily be 
developed for, and can easily be mass-produced at low prices - even with 
high-quality artwork.  A run of 500 pieces would probably be able to have a 
retail price of $15 - but again, development of "CD worthy" material is not 
so easy, and thus not instantaneous.

- Dave



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From: awarrington@biochem.umsmed.edu
Date: Thu Feb 21 14:18:52 EST 2002
Subject: Re: Weird PC Engine Game ...


But the recent discussion of using burned CDRs in a duo and causing laser =
problems  makes me kind of nervous about putting one of these in my =
machine.  Would these cdroms you mention give us the same problems?

Anthony



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From: daves@interlog.com
Date: Thu Feb 21 14:45:58 EST 2002
Subject: Re: Weird PC Engine Game ...


If you use the correct type of media and pregap parameters, there shouldn't 
be any problem.
I use TDK media.

Many people use cheap media (which causes read errors, and may slowly 
contribute to laser decay)... but the real problem is when people burn 
coasters or fail to have an appropriate pregap between tracks - or try to 
copy discs without precisely using the appropriate time signatures for all 
the tracks.  These issues cause a seek/read into an 'undefined' area, 
causing multiple retries, and definitely causing some amount of damage to 
the seek/focus assembly, at least over time.

Especially if the volume is not properly closed -- you can get the head 
jammed beyond seek limit that way.

But if a 'professional' CDROM were to be produced, it would NOT be a CD-R 
at all - it would be just like any other CD or CDROM game that you would 
put into the Turbo.

And most of our HuC demos don't have any music track, and thus don't 
require pregap knowledge or precise timing of tracks.

But if you choose to be cautious, use an emulator.  They're safer.

At 01:17 PM 2/21/2002 -0600, you wrote:
 > But the recent discussion of using burned CDRs in a duo and causing laser 
 > problems  makes me kind of nervous about putting one of these in my 
 > machine.  Would these cdroms you mention give us the same problems?


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From: retrogmr@earthlink.net
Date: Thu Feb 21 17:40:59 EST 2002
Subject: RE: I need info on an all in one Turbo system...


Given a choice between the PCE-LT's screen and the Duo Monitor, the LT
wins hands down...  Although smaller, the picture is a lot sharper.  The
Duo LCD Monitor has a fuzzy, almost washed-out look to it.

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Larry Anderson Jr. - retrogmr@earthlink.net
Classic game collector with a bug for information!



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From: texas@hpo.net
Date: Thu Feb 21 17:42:41 EST 2002
Subject: Re: Weird PC Engine Game ...


I think there is a device that can load ROMS onto your PC-Engine/Turbo, 
whatever.  There was one on Yahoo Auctions over a year ago that sold 
for about 12,000 yen or something.  Can't remember the name of it. It also backed up the ROMS, obviously.

Paul



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From: texas@hpo.net
Date: Thu Feb 21 17:43:10 EST 2002
Subject: Re: Weird PC Engine Game ...


Oh, yeah
http://www.classicgaming.com/japangaming

Go to the bonus section -- there's a review w/ about 25 screen shots of 
SPace Fantasy Zone, and a print ad in the print ads section. 
Paul



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From: robrugge@bitfly.com
Date: Thu Feb 21 21:30:56 EST 2002
Subject: Re: turbo-digest, Volume 108, Issue 49


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From: mm0613@polyu.edu.hk
Date: Fri Feb 22 00:46:05 EST 2002
Subject: hucards 


Paul, do you mean the Bee hucard copiers? I don't think they're used for PC 
Engine hucards as someone tried one and it didn't fit into a PC Engine. Maybe 
what you saw was something for some other console that used similar shaped 
media like the old Sega machines.

http://members.hknet.com/~odie1974/Bee-card.jpg
http://members.hknet.com/~odie1974/Beecardm.jpg
http://members.hknet.com/~odie1974/Beecardp.jpg

I  managed to nick the yahoo auction pictures just before George won it ;)



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From: mm0613@polyu.edu.hk
Date: Fri Feb 22 01:29:29 EST 2002
Subject: Re: hucards


There some very cool photos, can you tell us more about this item and what
it is exactly..
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