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Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67741 is a reply to message #66819] Sun, 19 May 2013 23:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bast is currently offline  Bast
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Your Name wrote:
> In article <knbraj$2uo$1@dont-email.me>, "Bast"

> <fake_name@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>> David Johnston wrote:

>>> On 5/18/2013 3:51 PM, Bast wrote:

>>>> Keith D. Lee wrote:

>>>> > Rob:

>>>> > Keep cool, will you? It was just a movie. A fun movie at that. :-)

>>>>

>>>> If by that, you mean,........ its a joke,......I agree.

>>>>

>>>> But while the 2009 one was bad,....this one was even more of a waste

>>>> of two hours.

>>>

>>> So then you hated the first movie and then went and paid money to see

>>> the second movie?

>>

>> Soitenly not.

>> I didn't pay to see either.

>> Ever heard of P2P ?

>> Best way to sample the fare, and force Hollywierd to start making

>> quality, if they ever want to see many of us at a box office again.

>>

>> .....And I have heard nothing but admiration of my foresight, from

>> people who admit they did waste their money.

>

> You not watching a movie in a cinema isn't going to do anything at all.

> There's more than enough morons in the general public who can't think of

> anything better to do on a Friday / Saturday night to keep Hollyweird

> happy - those morons will watch pretty much any old drivel simply

> because it happens to be on in the cinema. :-(






But the people I've talked to, many who "blindly"praised the 2009 one, just
because it was Trek,......all hate this latest one.
So I'll bet next time a Jar Jar Binks/abrams movie comes out, a lot more
will be "evaluating it" at home first.

....Are you listening, Disney ?
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67742 is a reply to message #66822] Mon, 20 May 2013 00:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article
<d8183406-4014-4f61-9074-cb33ada7755f@e13g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>, Ed
Stasiak <estasiak@att.net> wrote:
>> YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name)

>>

>> it's simply what the general dumbass public do on a Fridat / Saturday

>> night because they can't think of anything better to do. It makes little

>> difference what movie is playing, they watch any old tripe. If it's full

>> of chases and explosions, even better.

>

> You're falling for the Hollywood lie that they're; "just making what

> the market wants!" and somehow it's our fault that what they make

> is shit.

>

> Nobody asked my opinion and I suspect nobody asked anybody's

> opinion outside of the corporate boardroom, how the new Trek

> should done.

>

> Hollywood doesn't cater to the Public's taste, as much as it forces

> the Public to consume whatever it makes or go with nothing at all.


I didn't say they actually wanted those movies. It makes very little
difference what the actual movie is which happens to be playing, the
general dumbass public simply "must" go to the movies every Friday /
Saturday night because they can't think of anything else to do - basically
movie, McDonalds, and booze themsevles stupid = Friday / Saturday night.
:-\
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67743 is a reply to message #66821] Mon, 20 May 2013 00:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article
<e2818b6e-595f-4b88-a06f-8c6863366abb@v14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Ed
Stasiak <estasiak@att.net> wrote:
>> YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name)

>>

>> Once you ignore the silly holodeck episodes and the irrtating

>> singing episodes, there wasn't much wrong with Voyager as

>> a show that (mostly) fitted with what was established. The

>> same can be said of Deep Space Nine (you also have to

>> ignore the stupid quasi-religious mumbo-jumbo episodes)

>> and The Next Generation.

>

> Agreed, thou I'd include ENT along with TNG, DS9 and VOY,

> as all maintained the same format, style and level of quality

> throughout all four series.

>

> Each series may have had different ships, crews, locations, etc.

> but one can look at them as one very large series of 624 hour

> long tv episodes and 10 theatrical movies.

>

> That's a lot of sci-fi and most of it was pretty good.


Unfortunately Enterprise peed all over some established facts, although it
tried to fake it's way through (for example, Archer not actually seeing
the Ferengi) ... partly because Beavis & Butthead didn't actually know nor
care anything about Star Trek, and partly because it was an attempt at an
idiotic "reboot" (also why "Star Trek" was left out of the title).

Deep Space Nine used a different direction by "stranding" the stoylines on
a stationery space station, but it did still fit. Voyager tried to get
things back onto the same storyline as the first two series (TOS and TNG)
by having a ship travelling through space visiting different places.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67744 is a reply to message #67739] Mon, 20 May 2013 00:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <dr2jp8p4c9acso7ql4em0k69vatbgtnno5@4ax.com>, Brian Thorn
<bthorn64@suddenlink.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 19 May 2013 07:38:54 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim8rfsk@cox.net>

> wrote:

>

>> In article <4llhp81jp2ri3g5eun3qtsif2ng73jkhpn@4ax.com>,

>> Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>

>>> Sorry, won't happen. Why? Because Trek Fans are a

>>> dysfunctional bunch. Most of the ones that I've encountered will take

>>> any and all shit shoveled to them on a plate and eat it.

>>

>> They're also amazingly defensive of material they aren't remotely

>> familiar with. The one extolling the virtues of Voyager and Enterprise

>> clearly didn't actually watch it, or, at the very least, didn't pay

>> attention.

>

> Voyager was sometimes a very good show, the Janeway/Seven/Doctor

> interaction was actually pretty well done. When they strayed from that

> however, it went off the rails.

>

> Enterprise was a train-wreck.

>

> But bad Star Trek was still better than most other science fiction.

> Would you really rather have had more "Space: Above and Beyond" and

> "Seaquest DSV"? Voyager was a masterpiece compared to them.


"SeaQuest DSV" started out okay, but like many shows they quickly ran out
of sensible ideas, and then it "jumped the shark" and the submarine was
suddenly no longer uderwater (some nonsense about travelling through space
or some such lunacy). :-\

"Space: Above and Beyond" was semi-okay. It was really another version of
"Starship Troopers", but took itself a lot more seriously.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67745 is a reply to message #67744] Mon, 20 May 2013 00:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article
<YourName-2005131620000001@203-118-187-182.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:

> In article <dr2jp8p4c9acso7ql4em0k69vatbgtnno5@4ax.com>, Brian Thorn

> <bthorn64@suddenlink.net> wrote:

>

>> On Sun, 19 May 2013 07:38:54 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim8rfsk@cox.net>

>> wrote:

>>

>>> In article <4llhp81jp2ri3g5eun3qtsif2ng73jkhpn@4ax.com>,

>>> Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Sorry, won't happen. Why? Because Trek Fans are a

>>>> dysfunctional bunch. Most of the ones that I've encountered will take

>>>> any and all shit shoveled to them on a plate and eat it.

>>>

>>> They're also amazingly defensive of material they aren't remotely

>>> familiar with. The one extolling the virtues of Voyager and Enterprise

>>> clearly didn't actually watch it, or, at the very least, didn't pay

>>> attention.

>>

>> Voyager was sometimes a very good show, the Janeway/Seven/Doctor

>> interaction was actually pretty well done. When they strayed from that

>> however, it went off the rails.

>>

>> Enterprise was a train-wreck.

>>

>> But bad Star Trek was still better than most other science fiction.

>> Would you really rather have had more "Space: Above and Beyond" and

>> "Seaquest DSV"? Voyager was a masterpiece compared to them.

>

> "SeaQuest DSV" started out okay,


No it didn't

but like many shows they quickly ran out
> of sensible ideas,


In the pilot

and then it "jumped the shark" and the submarine was
> suddenly no longer uderwater (some nonsense about travelling through space

> or some such lunacy). :-\


I tried to watch SDSV on Netflix recently. It's rotten from the
terribly directed pilot episode, and gets worse.
>

> "Space: Above and Beyond" was semi-okay. It was really another version of

> "Starship Troopers", but took itself a lot more seriously.


--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67746 is a reply to message #66819] Mon, 20 May 2013 01:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 5/19/2013 9:10 PM, Your Name wrote:

> There's more than enough morons in the general public who can't think of

> anything better to do on a Friday / Saturday night to keep Hollyweird

> happy - those morons will watch pretty much any old drivel simply because

> it happens to be on in the cinema. :-(

>


I said it before and I'll say it again: bad Star trek is better than
good almost anything else.

My hubby and I went to see it on Thursday. We got the senior discount.
We found it highly entertaining.

It's not great art. It was passable as Star Trek. It was a fun night
out. It wasn't the end of Western Civilization LOL.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67747 is a reply to message #67741] Mon, 20 May 2013 01:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On May 20, 12:38 pm, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> Your Name wrote:

>> In article <knbraj$2u...@dont-email.me>, "Bast"

>> <fake_n...@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>>> David Johnston wrote:

>>>> On 5/18/2013 3:51 PM, Bast wrote:

>>>> > Keith D. Lee wrote:

>>>> >> Rob:

>>>> >> Keep cool, will you? It was just a movie. A fun movie at that.  :-)

>

>>>> > If by that, you mean,........ its a joke,......I agree.

>

>>>> > But while the 2009 one was bad,....this one was even more of a waste

>>>> > of two hours.

>

>>>> So then you hated the first movie and then went and paid money to see

>>>> the second movie?

>

>>> Soitenly not.

>>> I didn't pay to see either.

>>> Ever heard of P2P ?

>>> Best way to sample the fare, and force Hollywierd to start making

>>> quality, if they ever want to see many of us at a box office again.

>

>>> .....And I have heard nothing but admiration of my foresight,  from

>>> people who admit they did waste their money.

>

>> You not watching a movie in a cinema isn't going to do anything at all.

>> There's more than enough morons in the general public who can't think of

>> anything better to do on a Friday / Saturday night to keep Hollyweird

>> happy - those morons will watch pretty much any old drivel simply

>> because it happens to be on in the cinema.  :-(

>

> But the people I've talked to, many who "blindly"praised the 2009 one, just

> because it was Trek,......all hate this latest one.

> So I'll bet next time a Jar Jar Binks/abrams movie comes out, a lot more

> will be "evaluating it" at home first.

>

> ...Are you listening, Disney ?


Who do you talk to? Your fellow fan-boy shut-ins? Dweebs and nerds?
Disney does not give a fuck about what you and your idiot friends
think.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67748 is a reply to message #65794] Mon, 20 May 2013 01:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On May 19, 10:14 pm, RichA <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 19, 7:04 am, MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

>> On May 19, 6:16 am, RichA <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>>> On May 18, 5:08 pm, Rob Cypher <bals...@aol.com> wrote:

>

>>>> This second "reboot" of his is bullshit. He's totally screwed with

>>>> all the characters' backstories, has them acting all uncharacrstically

>>>> (aka tons of inapproriate emoting from supposedly logical Vulcans,

>>>> among other things) and has turned it into something that

>>>> resembles "The Bourne Legacy" along with the worst aspects of

>>>> "Starship Troopers".

>

>>>> Don't laugh, Star Wars fans. He's coming to screw with your canon

>>>> next.

>

>>>> If there's ever another ST movie, I hope they undo all the timeline

>>>> changes or just ignore them/treat them as an alternate universe.

>>>> Fuck that shit.

>

>>> He knows how to cater to the morons.

>

>> You are a moron!

>

> Is that you, J.J.?


You're in fantasy land. Why would a busy director bother with this, a
worthless newsgroup?
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67761 is a reply to message #66819] Mon, 20 May 2013 01:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote in
news:YourName-2005131310080001@203-118-187-46.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz:

> In article <knbraj$2uo$1@dont-email.me>, "Bast"

> <fake_name@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>> David Johnston wrote:

>>> On 5/18/2013 3:51 PM, Bast wrote:

>>>> Keith D. Lee wrote:

>>>> > Rob:

>>>> > Keep cool, will you? It was just a movie. A fun movie at that.

>>>> > :-)

>>>>

>>>> If by that, you mean,........ its a joke,......I agree.

>>>>

>>>> But while the 2009 one was bad,....this one was even more of a

>>>> waste of two hours.

>>>

>>> So then you hated the first movie and then went and paid money to

>>> see the second movie?

>>

>> Soitenly not.

>> I didn't pay to see either.

>> Ever heard of P2P ?

>> Best way to sample the fare, and force Hollywierd to start making

>> quality, if they ever want to see many of us at a box office again.

>>

>> .....And I have heard nothing but admiration of my foresight, from

>> people who admit they did waste their money.

>

> You not watching a movie in a cinema isn't going to do anything at

> all. There's more than enough morons in the general public who can't

> think of anything better to do on a Friday / Saturday night to keep

> Hollyweird happy - those morons will watch pretty much any old drivel

> simply because it happens to be on in the cinema. :-(


Going to the movies is a social event. The movie itself is secondary,

Sometimes the movie is liked, sometimes not, it is to be expected.

Of course, I wouldn't expect nerds like you and Bast to understand
anything concerning anything social..I've heard you two live in the
basement.

After reading your remarks and considering your attitude I would have to
say that assessment is accurate.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67762 is a reply to message #67746] Mon, 20 May 2013 01:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ToolPackinMama <philnblanc@comcast.net> wrote in
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> On 5/19/2013 9:10 PM, Your Name wrote:

>

>> There's more than enough morons in the general public who can't think

>> of anything better to do on a Friday / Saturday night to keep

>> Hollyweird happy - those morons will watch pretty much any old drivel

>> simply because it happens to be on in the cinema. :-(

>>

>

> I said it before and I'll say it again: bad Star trek is better than

> good almost anything else.

>

> My hubby and I went to see it on Thursday. We got the senior discount.

> We found it highly entertaining.

>

> It's not great art. It was passable as Star Trek. It was a fun night

> out. It wasn't the end of Western Civilization LOL.

>

>


That's ridiculous. If you think something is bad, then by
definition...it's bad.

Saying bad Star Trek is better than good something else just shows you
are not capable of logical thought....ironic, huh?

One of the first things Roddenberry told writers was that science
fiction is no different from other genres... there's good writing and
bad writing...just because there are spaceships flying around doesn't
mean the writers can take the day off. This is why most science-fiction
before Star Trek was considered to be for children...the writing was
bad.

Spock's Brain is bad. Not so bad it's good. Not just bad Star Trek.
Just bad.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67763 is a reply to message #66820] Mon, 20 May 2013 01:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thinbluemime <thinbluemime2@gmail.com> wrote in
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> On Mon, 20 May 2013 01:40:39 +0100, Bast <fakename@nomail.invalid>

> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> David Johnston wrote:

>>> On 5/18/2013 3:51 PM, Bast wrote:

>>>> Keith D. Lee wrote:

>>>> > Rob:

>>>> > Keep cool, will you? It was just a movie. A fun movie at that.

>>>> > :-)

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> If by that, you mean,........ its a joke,......I agree.

>>>>

>>>> But while the 2009 one was bad,....this one was even more of a

>>>> waste of two hours.

>>>

>>> So then you hated the first movie and then went and paid money to

>>> see the second movie?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Soitenly not.

>> I didn't pay to see either.

>> Ever heard of P2P ?

>

> So did I, cause I couldn't wait.

>

>

>> Best way to sample the fare, and force Hollywierd to start making

>> quality,

>> if they ever want to see many of us at a box office again.

>>

>> .....And I have heard nothing but admiration of my foresight, from

>> people

>> who admit they did waste their money.

>

> I enjoyed it immensely and will be adding the DVD to my collection

> when TID comes out. If you don't want to P2P or wait for the DVD

> release, buy a ticket and see it tonight. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED

>

>

> ---------------

>

> *****SPOILERS*****

>

> I have been following the Bad Robot crew closely since early 2005, and

> eagerly await to see how the writers will spin into nearly every film

> production, the fateful events of September 2001.

>

> *Abbreviated* Highlights:

>

> Alias - Al-Queada was mentioned

> LOST - September airliner crash

> Cloverfield - Terror in Manhattan

> Fringe - Twin Universe with Twin Towers

>

> Star Trek Into Darkness - The USS Vengeance transports 72 frozen

> *virgins*, that are bombs

> (come on!, this is fuggin hilarious as an allegory)

> http://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#Terrorism

>

>


What's so hilarious about producers so devoid of imagination and
creativity that they have to constantly make references of the same
event? Glad I didn't watch any of that crap.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67764 is a reply to message #67743] Mon, 20 May 2013 02:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 5/19/2013 10:15 PM, Your Name wrote:
> In article

> <e2818b6e-595f-4b88-a06f-8c6863366abb@v14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Ed

> Stasiak <estasiak@att.net> wrote:

>>> YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name)

>>>

>>> Once you ignore the silly holodeck episodes and the irrtating

>>> singing episodes, there wasn't much wrong with Voyager as

>>> a show that (mostly) fitted with what was established. The

>>> same can be said of Deep Space Nine (you also have to

>>> ignore the stupid quasi-religious mumbo-jumbo episodes)

>>> and The Next Generation.

>>

>> Agreed, thou I'd include ENT along with TNG, DS9 and VOY,

>> as all maintained the same format, style and level of quality

>> throughout all four series.

>>

>> Each series may have had different ships, crews, locations, etc.

>> but one can look at them as one very large series of 624 hour

>> long tv episodes and 10 theatrical movies.

>>

>> That's a lot of sci-fi and most of it was pretty good.

>

> Unfortunately Enterprise peed all over some established facts,


You mean the same way Deep Space Nine established that genetically
engineering human beings was illegal even though they'd been doing it on
TNG? Or the way that the movies and TNG retroactively changed the
Klingons? Or the way that Deep Space Nine changed how the Trill
symbionts worked? Or the way that initially on TNG they had never
encountered the Ferengi before and knew nothing about them, but later on
Picard had fought them years earlier with his previous command? Or the
way the Borg's nature changed again and again? Or the way suddenly
Romulans were readily distinguishable from Vulcans instead of looking
just like them?
..
>
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In article <kncb3f$sh1$1@dont-email.me>, ToolPackinMama
<philnblanc@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 5/19/2013 9:10 PM, Your Name wrote:

>>

>> There's more than enough morons in the general public who can't think of

>> anything better to do on a Friday / Saturday night to keep Hollyweird

>> happy - those morons will watch pretty much any old drivel simply because

>> it happens to be on in the cinema. :-(

>>

>

> I said it before and I'll say it again: bad Star trek is better than

> good almost anything else.


And I said it before, JJ Abrams' drivel is not "Star Trek", good or bad.
Simply slapping a "Star Trek" sticker on a dog poo doesn't make that real
"Star Trek" either. To be part of the same franchise it MUST MUST and MUST
fit with what came before, otherwise you're making something different
(and idiotic pathetic attempts to pretend it's a "alternate timeline" is
simply a lazy writer's excuse for doing want they want rather than doing
it properly).
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67766 is a reply to message #66818] Mon, 20 May 2013 02:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <knbraj$2uo$1@dont-email.me>,
"Bast" <fakename@nomail.invalid> wrote:

> ...And I have heard nothing but admiration of my foresight,

> from people who admit they did waste their money.


Let me rectify that. I don't admire your foresight. It was a fun movie,
not a waste at all.

Even if you don't agree with me, you now can't legitimately claim to
have heard nothing but admiration for your 'foresight'.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67767 is a reply to message #66820] Mon, 20 May 2013 02:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <op.wxcowmj10rnx91@experience.zoomtown.com>,
thinbluemime <thinbluemime2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Star Trek Into Darkness - The USS Vengeance transports 72 frozen

> *virgins*


How do you know they were virgins?
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67768 is a reply to message #65783] Mon, 20 May 2013 02:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article
<00609bc3-ca82-4fb8-b695-06eff61bd558@qz2g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
MITO MINISTER <cigarmanwine@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Seriously - JJ Abrams can not destroy something that George Lucas

>> hasn't already driven hard into the ground.

>>

>> Even if he made it a musical of naked shaved wookies, it would still

>> be better than the prequels.

>

> Lucas owned it and did what HE wanted. Sounds fair.


Of course. Never said anything about it being unfair. Ruined it was,
even so. :)


--
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In article <mr-68510C.08515820052013@News.Individual.NET>, Sandman
<mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> In article

> <00609bc3-ca82-4fb8-b695-06eff61bd558@qz2g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,

> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanwine@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> Seriously - JJ Abrams can not destroy something that George Lucas

>>> hasn't already driven hard into the ground.

>>>

>>> Even if he made it a musical of naked shaved wookies, it would still

>>> be better than the prequels.

>>

>> Lucas owned it and did what HE wanted. Sounds fair.

>

> Of course. Never said anything about it being unfair. Ruined it was,

> even so. :)


George Lucas was allowed to do whatever he wanted ... he actually created
the franchise.

Over-egoed "reboot" fools like JJ Abrams haven't got enough talent to
actually make their own franchise, so they have to go around butchering
other people's hard work instead. :-(
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67770 is a reply to message #67769] Mon, 20 May 2013 03:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article
<YourName-2005131903260001@203-118-187-16.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:

>>>> Even if he made it a musical of naked shaved wookies, it would still

>>>> be better than the prequels.

>>>

>>> Lucas owned it and did what HE wanted. Sounds fair.

>>

>> Of course. Never said anything about it being unfair. Ruined it was,

>> even so. :)

>

> George Lucas was allowed to do whatever he wanted ... he actually created

> the franchise.


Eh, yes I know? Why are you writing this? Have I claimed he either did
not create it or that he could not do whatever he wanted?

> Over-egoed "reboot" fools like JJ Abrams haven't got enough talent to

> actually make their own franchise, so they have to go around butchering

> other people's hard work instead. :-(


Again - JJ Abrams could not butcher Star Wars even if he wanted. George
Lucas already did that. It's like shooting a dead horse expected it to
be more dead.

If anything, JJ can either keep the horse dead (by continuing the train
wreck that was the prequels) or he can do something better. He can not
do something worse. It is not possible.

If the 2009 Star Trek was renamed as Star Wars and released now, it
would be a hundred times better than the prequels.

(yeah, ok, a bit of hyperbole, but I've really come to despise the
prequels).



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Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67788 is a reply to message #67761] Mon, 20 May 2013 03:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wiseguy wrote:
> YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote in

> news:YourName-2005131310080001@203-118-187-46.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz:

>

>> In article <knbraj$2uo$1@dont-email.me>, "Bast"

>> <fake_name@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>>> David Johnston wrote:

>>>> On 5/18/2013 3:51 PM, Bast wrote:

>>>> > Keith D. Lee wrote:

>>>> >> Rob:

>>>> >> Keep cool, will you? It was just a movie. A fun movie at that.

>>>> >> :-)

>>>> >

>>>> > If by that, you mean,........ its a joke,......I agree.

>>>> >

>>>> > But while the 2009 one was bad,....this one was even more of a

>>>> > waste of two hours.

>>>>

>>>> So then you hated the first movie and then went and paid money to

>>>> see the second movie?

>>>

>>> Soitenly not.

>>> I didn't pay to see either.

>>> Ever heard of P2P ?

>>> Best way to sample the fare, and force Hollywierd to start making

>>> quality, if they ever want to see many of us at a box office again.

>>>

>>> .....And I have heard nothing but admiration of my foresight, from

>>> people who admit they did waste their money.

>>

>> You not watching a movie in a cinema isn't going to do anything at

>> all. There's more than enough morons in the general public who can't

>> think of anything better to do on a Friday / Saturday night to keep

>> Hollyweird happy - those morons will watch pretty much any old drivel

>> simply because it happens to be on in the cinema. :-(

>

> Going to the movies is a social event. The movie itself is secondary,





Wow,...If you believe that,....I feel sorry for you.
Sitting in a dark room, in a sticky chair, smelling other peoples farts for
two hours,.....nope,...not my idea of a social event.






>

> Sometimes the movie is liked, sometimes not, it is to be expected.



Huh ?
You just MUST go to the neighborhood theater, every weekend, without fail ?
And just hope for the best ?
Geez,....go for a walk in the park.




>

> Of course, I wouldn't expect nerds like you and Bast to understand

> anything concerning anything social..I've heard you two live in the

> basement.



Yup, I've heard that too.
I've also heard that aliens come to earth and make crop circles, but there's
no proof of that either.


>

> After reading your remarks and considering your attitude I would have to

> say that assessment is accurate.





I think better proof would be to hold a mirror to your face, next time you
go to the theater.
Then you will see the pathetic sheeple who go to see a movie as a "social
event."
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67789 is a reply to message #67769] Mon, 20 May 2013 04:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote in news:YourName-2005131903260001
@203-118-187-16.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz:

> In article <mr-68510C.08515820052013@News.Individual.NET>, Sandman

> <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

>> In article

>> <00609bc3-ca82-4fb8-b695-06eff61bd558@qz2g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,

>> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanwine@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Seriously - JJ Abrams can not destroy something that George Lucas

>>>> hasn't already driven hard into the ground.

>>>>

>>>> Even if he made it a musical of naked shaved wookies, it would

still
>>>> be better than the prequels.

>>>

>>> Lucas owned it and did what HE wanted. Sounds fair.

>>

>> Of course. Never said anything about it being unfair. Ruined it was,

>> even so. :)

>

> George Lucas was allowed to do whatever he wanted ... he actually

created
> the franchise.

>

> Over-egoed "reboot" fools like JJ Abrams haven't got enough talent to

> actually make their own franchise, so they have to go around

butchering
> other people's hard work instead. :-(

>


Whether he did or not, if Paramount did not want him to do it they
wouldn't have allowed it. So blame them, not him.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67790 is a reply to message #67770] Mon, 20 May 2013 04:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote in
news:mr-408D77.09190420052013@News.Individual.NET:

> In article

> <YourName-2005131903260001@203-118-187-16.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,

> YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:

>

>>>> > Even if he made it a musical of naked shaved wookies, it would

>>>> > still be better than the prequels.

>>>>

>>>> Lucas owned it and did what HE wanted. Sounds fair.

>>>

>>> Of course. Never said anything about it being unfair. Ruined it

>>> was, even so. :)

>>

>> George Lucas was allowed to do whatever he wanted ... he actually

>> created the franchise.

>

> Eh, yes I know? Why are you writing this? Have I claimed he either did

> not create it or that he could not do whatever he wanted?

>

>> Over-egoed "reboot" fools like JJ Abrams haven't got enough talent to

>> actually make their own franchise, so they have to go around

>> butchering other people's hard work instead. :-(

>

> Again - JJ Abrams could not butcher Star Wars even if he wanted.

> George Lucas already did that. It's like shooting a dead horse

> expected it to be more dead.

>

> If anything, JJ can either keep the horse dead (by continuing the

> train wreck that was the prequels) or he can do something better. He

> can not do something worse. It is not possible.

>

> If the 2009 Star Trek was renamed as Star Wars and released now, it

> would be a hundred times better than the prequels.

>

> (yeah, ok, a bit of hyperbole, but I've really come to despise the

> prequels).

>

>

>


Prequels don't ruin a franchise, whether you like them or not. They
only tell what's gone before. Sequels, on the other hand, can ruin a
franchise by turning the story in stupid directions.

Enterprise was a prequel, ST 2009 was a sequel.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67791 is a reply to message #67788] Mon, 20 May 2013 04:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Bast" <fakename@nomail.invalid> wrote in
news:knciuv$q87$1@dont-email.me:

>

>

> Wiseguy wrote:

>> YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote in

>> news:YourName-2005131310080001@203-118-187-46.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz:

>>

>>> In article <knbraj$2uo$1@dont-email.me>, "Bast"

>>> <fake_name@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>>>> David Johnston wrote:

>>>> > On 5/18/2013 3:51 PM, Bast wrote:

>>>> >> Keith D. Lee wrote:

>>>> >>> Rob:

>>>> >>> Keep cool, will you? It was just a movie. A fun movie at that.

>>>> >>> :-)

>>>> >>

>>>> >> If by that, you mean,........ its a joke,......I agree.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> But while the 2009 one was bad,....this one was even more of a

>>>> >> waste of two hours.

>>>> >

>>>> > So then you hated the first movie and then went and paid money to

>>>> > see the second movie?

>>>>

>>>> Soitenly not.

>>>> I didn't pay to see either.

>>>> Ever heard of P2P ?

>>>> Best way to sample the fare, and force Hollywierd to start making

>>>> quality, if they ever want to see many of us at a box office again.

>>>>

>>>> .....And I have heard nothing but admiration of my foresight, from

>>>> people who admit they did waste their money.

>>>

>>> You not watching a movie in a cinema isn't going to do anything at

>>> all. There's more than enough morons in the general public who can't

>>> think of anything better to do on a Friday / Saturday night to keep

>>> Hollyweird happy - those morons will watch pretty much any old

>>> drivel simply because it happens to be on in the cinema. :-(

>>

>> Going to the movies is a social event. The movie itself is

>> secondary,

>

>

>

>

> Wow,...If you believe that,....I feel sorry for you.

> Sitting in a dark room, in a sticky chair, smelling other peoples

> farts for two hours,.....nope,...not my idea of a social event.

>

>

>


No, that's your basement.

>

>

>

>>

>> Sometimes the movie is liked, sometimes not, it is to be expected.

>

>

> Huh ?

> You just MUST go to the neighborhood theater, every weekend, without

> fail ? And just hope for the best ?

> Geez,....go for a walk in the park.

>

>


Stop making up quotes, it's childish.

>

>

>>

>> Of course, I wouldn't expect nerds like you and Bast to understand

>> anything concerning anything social..I've heard you two live in the

>> basement.

>

>

> Yup, I've heard that too.

> I've also heard that aliens come to earth and make crop circles, but

> there's no proof of that either.

>

>


Your responses show that you are brainless. That's proof. Stop proving
it.

>>

>> After reading your remarks and considering your attitude I would have

>> to say that assessment is accurate.

>

>

>

>

> I think better proof would be to hold a mirror to your face, next time

> you go to the theater.

> Then you will see the pathetic sheeple who go to see a movie as a

> "social event."

>

>

>


You're pathetic.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67792 is a reply to message #67790] Mon, 20 May 2013 05:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <XnsA1C61F7366973epwiseyahoocom@69.16.185.252>,
Wiseguy <epwise@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Prequels don't ruin a franchise, whether you like them or not.


Well, then JJ Abrams can't, either. I was responding to YourName that
claimed that JJ Abrams would destroy the "real Star Wars", whatever that
means.

And I think you mean that prequels can't ruin the originals - the
franchise as such is the sum of all its parts, and if some of those
parts are bad, it certainly can ruin the franchise as a whole. The
original movies aren't ruined though.

> They only tell what's gone before. Sequels, on the other hand, can

> ruin a franchise by turning the story in stupid directions.


Huh? That makes no sense at all. The prequels can introduce directions
that ruins the franchise just as much as sequels. Like introducing
"midichlorians" that if you take it into consideration ruins Yodas
entire sensei talk on Dagobah.




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Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67793 is a reply to message #67769] Mon, 20 May 2013 07:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On May 20, 4:03 pm, YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> In article <mr-68510C.08515820052...@News.Individual.NET>, Sandman

>

> <m...@sandman.net> wrote:

>> In article

>> <00609bc3-ca82-4fb8-b695-06eff61bd...@qz2g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,

>>  MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>>>> Seriously - JJ Abrams can not destroy something that George Lucas

>>>> hasn't already driven hard into the ground.

>

>>>> Even if he made it a musical of naked shaved wookies, it would still

>>>> be better than the prequels.

>

>>> Lucas owned it and did what HE wanted. Sounds fair.

>

>> Of course. Never said anything about it being unfair. Ruined it was,

>> even so. :)

>

> George Lucas was allowed to do whatever he wanted ... he actually created

> the franchise.

>

> Over-egoed "reboot" fools like JJ Abrams haven't got enough talent to

> actually make their own franchise, so they have to go around butchering

> other people's hard work instead.  :-(


No, these "reboot fools" are offered a job by the powers that be.
J.J..Abrams accepted such a job.

He doesn't go around crying because he can't "make his own franchise".
He is a director. He is hired to direct. His bosses liked what he did
in TREK 2009. Abrams pleased his bosses and he makes a ton of money.
That is the ONLY standard in Hollywood, everything else being
subjective bullshit. And you are still in the basement.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67831 is a reply to message #67767] Mon, 20 May 2013 06:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Mon, 20 May 2013 07:22:09 +0100, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

> In article <op.wxcowmj10rnx91@experience.zoomtown.com>,

> thinbluemime <thinbluemime2@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> Star Trek Into Darkness - The USS Vengeance transports 72 frozen

>> *virgins*

>

> How do you know they were virgins?


72 super humans frozen in suspended animation for 3 centuries comes close
to making one a virgin

The 72 have been made into human bombs, so the act and reward of martyrdom
have been combined in this metaphor.

-------------

roberto orciVerified account @boborci
17 May

@boborci If potus only takes away one thing from the movie, what would you
want it to be?”

********Peace*******


https://twitter.com/boborci/status/335540814002393088
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67832 is a reply to message #67742] Mon, 20 May 2013 12:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name)

>> Ed Stasiak

>>

>> Hollywood doesn't cater to the Public's taste, as much as it forces

>> the Public to consume whatever it makes or go with nothing at all.

>

> I didn't say they actually wanted those movies. It makes very little

> difference what the actual movie is which happens to be playing,

> the general dumbass public simply "must" go to the movies every

> Friday / Saturday night


But desiring a bit of entertainment on the weekend doesn't make
the Public dumbasses, nor is the Public responsible for the shitty
quality of entertainment coming out of Hollywood.

The movie studios and tv networks have all become just divisions
of one or another metanational corporation and this has resulted
in them being subjected to the same industrial efficiency processes
that, for example, a tennis shoe factory would be put under; produce
a product that appeals to the widest range of consumers at the
lowest cost possible, to generate maximum profits.

That Star Trek flick has to appeal not only to fans in Peoria but
also to movie goers in Peshawar, Petropavlovsk, Pago Pago, etc.
and that means everything must be is dumbed down to a global
standard.

Movies have become consumer products no different then Big Macs,
whatever elements of art that are retained is happenstance.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67857 is a reply to message #67790] Mon, 20 May 2013 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wiseguy wrote:
> Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote in

> news:mr-408D77.09190420052013@News.Individual.NET:

>

>> In article

>> <YourName-2005131903260001@203-118-187-16.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,

>> YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:

>>

>>>> >> Even if he made it a musical of naked shaved wookies, it would

>>>> >> still be better than the prequels.

>>>> >

>>>> > Lucas owned it and did what HE wanted. Sounds fair.

>>>>

>>>> Of course. Never said anything about it being unfair. Ruined it

>>>> was, even so. :)

>>>

>>> George Lucas was allowed to do whatever he wanted ... he actually

>>> created the franchise.

>>

>> Eh, yes I know? Why are you writing this? Have I claimed he either did

>> not create it or that he could not do whatever he wanted?

>>

>>> Over-egoed "reboot" fools like JJ Abrams haven't got enough talent to

>>> actually make their own franchise, so they have to go around

>>> butchering other people's hard work instead. :-(

>>

>> Again - JJ Abrams could not butcher Star Wars even if he wanted.

>> George Lucas already did that. It's like shooting a dead horse

>> expected it to be more dead.

>>

>> If anything, JJ can either keep the horse dead (by continuing the

>> train wreck that was the prequels) or he can do something better. He

>> can not do something worse. It is not possible.

>>

>> If the 2009 Star Trek was renamed as Star Wars and released now, it

>> would be a hundred times better than the prequels.

>>

>> (yeah, ok, a bit of hyperbole, but I've really come to despise the

>> prequels).

>>

>>

>>

>

> Prequels don't ruin a franchise, whether you like them or not. They

> only tell what's gone before. Sequels, on the other hand, can ruin a

> franchise by turning the story in stupid directions.

>

> Enterprise was a prequel, ST 2009 was a sequel.




So you think a YOUNG kirk,....supposedly before the TOS timeframe, is not a
"prequel" ?

The fact is, that as an alternate universe,..... it's just a
bastardization/exploitation for profit.
And a bit late for the writers to save it by claiming it was all a dream
sequence.
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"Bast" <fakename@nomail.invalid> wrote in
news:kndop0$cgi$1@dont-email.me:

>

>

> Wiseguy wrote:

>> Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote in

>> news:mr-408D77.09190420052013@News.Individual.NET:

>>

>>> In article

>>> <YourName-2005131903260001@203-118-187-16.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,

>>> YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:

>>>

>>>> >>> Even if he made it a musical of naked shaved wookies, it would

>>>> >>> still be better than the prequels.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> Lucas owned it and did what HE wanted. Sounds fair.

>>>> >

>>>> > Of course. Never said anything about it being unfair. Ruined it

>>>> > was, even so. :)

>>>>

>>>> George Lucas was allowed to do whatever he wanted ... he actually

>>>> created the franchise.

>>>

>>> Eh, yes I know? Why are you writing this? Have I claimed he either

>>> did not create it or that he could not do whatever he wanted?

>>>

>>>> Over-egoed "reboot" fools like JJ Abrams haven't got enough talent

>>>> to actually make their own franchise, so they have to go around

>>>> butchering other people's hard work instead. :-(

>>>

>>> Again - JJ Abrams could not butcher Star Wars even if he wanted.

>>> George Lucas already did that. It's like shooting a dead horse

>>> expected it to be more dead.

>>>

>>> If anything, JJ can either keep the horse dead (by continuing the

>>> train wreck that was the prequels) or he can do something better. He

>>> can not do something worse. It is not possible.

>>>

>>> If the 2009 Star Trek was renamed as Star Wars and released now, it

>>> would be a hundred times better than the prequels.

>>>

>>> (yeah, ok, a bit of hyperbole, but I've really come to despise the

>>> prequels).

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>> Prequels don't ruin a franchise, whether you like them or not. They

>> only tell what's gone before. Sequels, on the other hand, can ruin a

>> franchise by turning the story in stupid directions.

>>

>> Enterprise was a prequel, ST 2009 was a sequel.

>

>

>

> So you think a YOUNG kirk,....supposedly before the TOS timeframe, is

> not a "prequel" ?

>

> The fact is, that as an alternate universe,..... it's just a

> bastardization/exploitation for profit.

> And a bit late for the writers to save it by claiming it was all a

> dream sequence.

>

>

>


A prequel tells the story of what happens before another series or
movie.

This wasn't a re-telling, it was a revisit with time travel.

If they had just started the movie in the past and showed how the
characters got together then it would have been a prequel.
Changing the past so they can go through "the present" differently is
not a prequel to TOS.
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In article <mr-408D77.09190420052013@News.Individual.NET>, Sandman
<mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> In article

> <YourName-2005131903260001@203-118-187-16.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,

> YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:

>>>> >

>>>> > Even if he made it a musical of naked shaved wookies, it would still

>>>> > be better than the prequels.

>>>>

>>>> Lucas owned it and did what HE wanted. Sounds fair.

>>>

>>> Of course. Never said anything about it being unfair. Ruined it was,

>>> even so. :)

>>

>> George Lucas was allowed to do whatever he wanted ... he actually created

>> the franchise.

>

> Eh, yes I know? Why are you writing this? Have I claimed he either did

> not create it or that he could not do whatever he wanted?

>

>> Over-egoed "reboot" fools like JJ Abrams haven't got enough talent to

>> actually make their own franchise, so they have to go around butchering

>> other people's hard work instead. :-(

>

> Again - JJ Abrams could not butcher Star Wars even if he wanted. George

> Lucas already did that. It's like shooting a dead horse expected it to

> be more dead.

<snip>

Believe me, JJ Abrams can, and likely will. Everything else he
(supposedly) makes is a disasterous mess, why would his version of "Star
Wars" suddenly be something that actually fits and makes sense?
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In article <knciuv$q87$1@dont-email.me>, "Bast" <fake_name@nomail.invalid>
wrote:
> Wiseguy wrote:

>> YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote in

>> news:YourName-2005131310080001@203-118-187-46.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz:

>>

>>> In article <knbraj$2uo$1@dont-email.me>, "Bast"

>>> <fake_name@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>>>> David Johnston wrote:

>>>> > On 5/18/2013 3:51 PM, Bast wrote:

>>>> >> Keith D. Lee wrote:

>>>> >>> Rob:

>>>> >>> Keep cool, will you? It was just a movie. A fun movie at that.

>>>> >>> :-)

>>>> >>

>>>> >> If by that, you mean,........ its a joke,......I agree.

>>>> >>

>>>> >> But while the 2009 one was bad,....this one was even more of a

>>>> >> waste of two hours.

>>>> >

>>>> > So then you hated the first movie and then went and paid money to

>>>> > see the second movie?

>>>>

>>>> Soitenly not.

>>>> I didn't pay to see either.

>>>> Ever heard of P2P ?

>>>> Best way to sample the fare, and force Hollywierd to start making

>>>> quality, if they ever want to see many of us at a box office again.

>>>>

>>>> .....And I have heard nothing but admiration of my foresight, from

>>>> people who admit they did waste their money.

>>>

>>> You not watching a movie in a cinema isn't going to do anything at

>>> all. There's more than enough morons in the general public who can't

>>> think of anything better to do on a Friday / Saturday night to keep

>>> Hollyweird happy - those morons will watch pretty much any old drivel

>>> simply because it happens to be on in the cinema. :-(

>>

>> Going to the movies is a social event. The movie itself is secondary,

>

> Wow,...If you believe that,....I feel sorry for you.

> Sitting in a dark room, in a sticky chair, smelling other peoples farts for

> two hours,.....nope,...not my idea of a social event.


Sounds almost exactly like every other "social event" I can think of - the
only difference being instead of a dark room, it's a noisy room. :-)
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In article <mr-D0D09C.11040820052013@News.Individual.NET>, Sandman
<mr@sandman.net> wrote:
>

> Huh? That makes no sense at all. The prequels can introduce directions

> that ruins the franchise just as much as sequels. Like introducing

> "midichlorians" that if you take it into consideration ruins Yodas

> entire sensei talk on Dagobah.


Only to brainless dumbasses who can't bother to think for themselves.
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In article
<3c4fac20-124d-4112-b347-51e95466e4e9@v14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Ed
Stasiak <estasiak@att.net> wrote:

>> YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name)

>>> Ed Stasiak

>>>

>>> Hollywood doesn't cater to the Public's taste, as much as it forces

>>> the Public to consume whatever it makes or go with nothing at all.

>>

>> I didn't say they actually wanted those movies. It makes very little

>> difference what the actual movie is which happens to be playing,

>> the general dumbass public simply "must" go to the movies every

>> Friday / Saturday night

>

> But desiring a bit of entertainment on the weekend doesn't make

> the Public dumbasses, nor is the Public responsible for the shitty

> quality of entertainment coming out of Hollywood.


"A bit of entertainment" doesn't mean going to see any old drivel of a
movie simply because you're too stupid to think of anything else to do. It
certainly doesn't mean going to see a movie called "Star Trek" when you
don't like "Star Trek". The majority of the general are simply dumbasses,
and that's who Hollyweird aim movies at. :-\




> The movie studios and tv networks have all become just divisions

> of one or another metanational corporation and this has resulted

> in them being subjected to the same industrial efficiency processes

> that, for example, a tennis shoe factory would be put under; produce

> a product that appeals to the widest range of consumers at the

> lowest cost possible, to generate maximum profits.


What a load of bollocks. They simply make a movie they believe will make
lots of money. Sometimes it doesn't, more and more often if it's an
over-hyped "blockbuster" it will, thanks to the bumbass brigade
artifically boosting box office numbers and the moron in studio management
blindly belieing those numbers mean people actually like the movie.



> That Star Trek flick has to appeal not only to fans in...


No movie is ever made for the fans, and certainly not an idiotic "reboot"
movie. They're called fans because they like how it is. Making idiotic,
ill-fitting changes so that it's a very different product is NOT the way
to "appeal" to fans.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67897 is a reply to message #63902] Mon, 20 May 2013 17:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67898 is a reply to message #67857] Mon, 20 May 2013 20:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On May 21, 3:09 am, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
> Wiseguy wrote:

>> Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote in

>> news:mr-408D77.09190420052013@News.Individual.NET:

>

>>> In article

>>> <YourName-2005131903260...@203-118-187-16.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,

>>>  YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:

>

>>>> >>> Even if he made it a musical of naked shaved wookies, it would

>>>> >>> still be better than the prequels.

>

>>>> >> Lucas owned it and did what HE wanted. Sounds fair.

>

>>>> > Of course. Never said anything about it being unfair. Ruined it

>>>> > was, even so. :)

>

>>>> George Lucas was allowed to do whatever he wanted ... he actually

>>>> created the franchise.

>

>>> Eh, yes I know? Why are you writing this? Have I claimed he either did

>>> not create it or that he could not do whatever he wanted?

>

>>>> Over-egoed "reboot" fools like JJ Abrams haven't got enough talent to

>>>> actually make their own franchise, so they have to go around

>>>> butchering other people's hard work instead.  :-(

>

>>> Again - JJ Abrams could not butcher Star Wars even if he wanted.

>>> George Lucas already did that. It's like shooting a dead horse

>>> expected it to be more dead.

>

>>> If anything, JJ can either keep the horse dead (by continuing the

>>> train wreck that was the prequels) or he can do something better. He

>>> can not do something worse. It is not possible.

>

>>> If the 2009 Star Trek was renamed as Star Wars and released now, it

>>> would be a hundred times better than the prequels.

>

>>> (yeah, ok, a bit of hyperbole, but I've really come to despise the

>>> prequels).

>

>> Prequels don't ruin a franchise, whether you like them or not.  They

>> only tell what's gone before.  Sequels, on the other hand, can ruin a

>> franchise by turning the story in stupid directions.

>

>> Enterprise was a prequel, ST 2009 was a sequel.

>

> So you think a YOUNG kirk,....supposedly before the TOS timeframe, is not a

> "prequel"  ?

>

> The fact is, that as an alternate universe,..... it's just a

> bastardization/exploitation for profit.

> And a bit late for the writers to save it by claiming it was all a dream

> sequence.


There is nothing to save. The movie was a hit. There is no shame. No
embarassment. The people at Paramount are NOT walking around in fear
of bumping into obsessed taunting fan-boys. They have NOT ruined a
franchise. On the contrary, a third film is in the works. That is NOT
RUINATION. That is SUCCESS.

And you are in the basement.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67899 is a reply to message #67859] Mon, 20 May 2013 20:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On May 21, 6:05 am, YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> In article <mr-408D77.09190420052...@News.Individual.NET>, Sandman

>

>

>

> <m...@sandman.net> wrote:

>> In article

>> <YourName-2005131903260...@203-118-187-16.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,

>>  YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:

>

>>>> > > Even if he made it a musical of naked shaved wookies, it would still

>>>> > > be better than the prequels.

>

>>>> > Lucas owned it and did what HE wanted. Sounds fair.

>

>>>> Of course. Never said anything about it being unfair. Ruined it was,

>>>> even so. :)

>

>>> George Lucas was allowed to do whatever he wanted ... he actually created

>>> the franchise.

>

>> Eh, yes I know? Why are you writing this? Have I claimed he either did

>> not create it or that he could not do whatever he wanted?

>

>>> Over-egoed "reboot" fools like JJ Abrams haven't got enough talent to

>>> actually make their own franchise, so they have to go around butchering

>>> other people's hard work instead.  :-(

>

>> Again - JJ Abrams could not butcher Star Wars even if he wanted. George

>> Lucas already did that. It's like shooting a dead horse expected it to

>> be more dead.

>

> <snip>

>

> Believe me, JJ Abrams can, and likely will. Everything else he

> (supposedly) makes is a disasterous mess, why would his version of "Star

> Wars" suddenly be something that actually fits and makes sense?


No. He has hands of GOLD as far as Hollywood is concerned. You may
not, from your basement vantage point, care for what he does but by
commercial and even critical standards Abrams is a success. You are
not.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67900 is a reply to message #67859] Mon, 20 May 2013 20:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On May 21, 6:05 am, YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:
> In article <mr-408D77.09190420052...@News.Individual.NET>, Sandman

>

>

>

> <m...@sandman.net> wrote:

>> In article

>> <YourName-2005131903260...@203-118-187-16.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,

>>  YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:

>

>>>> > > Even if he made it a musical of naked shaved wookies, it would still

>>>> > > be better than the prequels.

>

>>>> > Lucas owned it and did what HE wanted. Sounds fair.

>

>>>> Of course. Never said anything about it being unfair. Ruined it was,

>>>> even so. :)

>

>>> George Lucas was allowed to do whatever he wanted ... he actually created

>>> the franchise.

>

>> Eh, yes I know? Why are you writing this? Have I claimed he either did

>> not create it or that he could not do whatever he wanted?

>

>>> Over-egoed "reboot" fools like JJ Abrams haven't got enough talent to

>>> actually make their own franchise, so they have to go around butchering

>>> other people's hard work instead.  :-(

>

>> Again - JJ Abrams could not butcher Star Wars even if he wanted. George

>> Lucas already did that. It's like shooting a dead horse expected it to

>> be more dead.

>

> <snip>

>

> Believe me, JJ Abrams can, and likely will. Everything else he

> (supposedly) makes is a disasterous mess, why would his version of "Star

> Wars" suddenly be something that actually fits and makes sense?


Why do you obsess over Abrams? What's he to you? He's just a guy
earning a living in a tough business. Why do you even give a fuck? If
you don't like his work just watch something else, like your extensive
library of POLICE ACADEMY director's cuts in HD 3D.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #67928 is a reply to message #67831] Mon, 20 May 2013 22:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <op.wxdo0vr10rnx91@experience.zoomtown.com>,
thinbluemime <thinbluemime2@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 20 May 2013 07:22:09 +0100, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>

>> In article <op.wxcowmj10rnx91@experience.zoomtown.com>,

>> thinbluemime <thinbluemime2@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> Star Trek Into Darkness - The USS Vengeance transports 72 frozen

>>> *virgins*

>>

>> How do you know they were virgins?

>

> 72 super humans frozen in suspended animation for 3 centuries comes close

> to making one a virgin


Not if they'd had sex at some point before being frozen, as those grown
adults would likely have done.
Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #68561 is a reply to message #67861] Tue, 21 May 2013 01:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article
<YourName-2105130911040001@203-118-187-144.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:

> In article <mr-D0D09C.11040820052013@News.Individual.NET>, Sandman

> <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

>>

>> Huh? That makes no sense at all. The prequels can introduce directions

>> that ruins the franchise just as much as sequels. Like introducing

>> "midichlorians" that if you take it into consideration ruins Yodas

>> entire sensei talk on Dagobah.

>

> Only to brainless dumbasses who can't bother to think for themselves.


Hahahahaha!!!!


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In article
<YourName-2105130905510001@203-118-187-144.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
YourName@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:

>> Again - JJ Abrams could not butcher Star Wars even if he wanted. George

>> Lucas already did that. It's like shooting a dead horse expected it to

>> be more dead.

>

> Believe me, JJ Abrams can


Whatever man, you just lost all credibility and anything you have to
say is totally irrelevant to anything related to reality. Sorry, man,
that was hilarious.



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Re: JJ ABRAMS RUINED STAR TREK FOREVER [message #68563 is a reply to message #67898] Tue, 21 May 2013 01:30 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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MITO MINISTER wrote:
> On May 21, 3:09 am, "Bast" <faken...@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>> Wiseguy wrote:

>>> Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote in

>>> news:mr-408D77.09190420052013@News.Individual.NET:

>>

>>>> In article

>>>> <YourName-2005131903260...@203-118-187-16.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz>,

>>>> YourN...@YourISP.com (Your Name) wrote:

>>

>>>> >>>> Even if he made it a musical of naked shaved wookies, it would

>>>> >>>> still be better than the prequels.

>>

>>>> >>> Lucas owned it and did what HE wanted. Sounds fair.

>>

>>>> >> Of course. Never said anything about it being unfair. Ruined it

>>>> >> was, even so. :)

>>

>>>> > George Lucas was allowed to do whatever he wanted ... he actually

>>>> > created the franchise.

>>

>>>> Eh, yes I know? Why are you writing this? Have I claimed he either

>>>> did not create it or that he could not do whatever he wanted?

>>

>>>> > Over-egoed "reboot" fools like JJ Abrams haven't got enough talent

>>>> > to actually make their own franchise, so they have to go around

>>>> > butchering other people's hard work instead. :-(

>>

>>>> Again - JJ Abrams could not butcher Star Wars even if he wanted.

>>>> George Lucas already did that. It's like shooting a dead horse

>>>> expected it to be more dead.

>>

>>>> If anything, JJ can either keep the horse dead (by continuing the

>>>> train wreck that was the prequels) or he can do something better. He

>>>> can not do something worse. It is not possible.

>>

>>>> If the 2009 Star Trek was renamed as Star Wars and released now, it

>>>> would be a hundred times better than the prequels.

>>

>>>> (yeah, ok, a bit of hyperbole, but I've really come to despise the

>>>> prequels).

>>

>>> Prequels don't ruin a franchise, whether you like them or not. They

>>> only tell what's gone before. Sequels, on the other hand, can ruin a

>>> franchise by turning the story in stupid directions.

>>

>>> Enterprise was a prequel, ST 2009 was a sequel.

>>

>> So you think a YOUNG kirk,....supposedly before the TOS timeframe, is

>> not a "prequel" ?

>>

>> The fact is, that as an alternate universe,..... it's just a

>> bastardization/exploitation for profit.

>> And a bit late for the writers to save it by claiming it was all a

>> dream sequence.

>

> There is nothing to save. The movie was a hit. There is no shame. No

> embarassment. The people at Paramount are NOT walking around in fear

> of bumping into obsessed taunting fan-boys. They have NOT ruined a

> franchise. On the contrary, a third film is in the works. That is NOT

> RUINATION. That is SUCCESS.

>

> And you are in the basement.





By July, the DVD/Blu rays will be in the Walmart 99 bins.
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