Message-ID: <291@aecom.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 6-Dec-83 03:50:08 EST
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>    Howcome nobody is talking about 1984 (the novel).  I am re-reading it
>for the first time in years and it is horribly depressing. Anyone interested
>in discussing this or other "classical" science fiction feel free to post!

	You mean you didn't find it horribly depressing the first time??!?

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Date: Thu, 8-Dec-83 10:53:16 EST
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I've got an idea.  Let's everybody go home (or wherever) over christmas
and read it.  Then we can start a rousing argument, er, ah, that is
discussion about it on the appropriate time.  Jan. 1, 1984.

Message-ID: <688@qubix.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 14-Dec-83 01:24:18 EST
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1984 has more to make you think than just about any other work of
fiction.  It is frightening how accurate some of his observations
and predications have turned out to be.

Take for instance MiniLuv, the Ministry of Love (War) and its
slogan "War is Peace" then remember that Reagan calls the MX
missile the "Peacekeeper".  Has he read 1984??

1984 is the 4th most frequently censored book in the USA according
to a list compiled by Dr. Lee Buress of the University of Wisconsin
at Stevens Point.  This is based on 6 surveys from challenged books
in the nations libraries taken from 1965 to 1982.

People who challenge 1984 must either
a) not have read it, or
b) have completely missed everything that Orwell was trying to alert us
   to, or
c) have completely understood it and don't want others to know what they
   are doing.

Other books amoung the top 30 most censored include

The Catcher in the Rye -- J.D. Salinger
Forever -- Judy Blume
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn -- Mark Twain
To Kill a Mockingbird -- Harper Lee
Slaughterhouse Five -- Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
The Learning Tree -- Gordon Parks
One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest -- Ken Kesey
Anne Frank: Diary of a Young Girl -- Anne Frank

It's quite a list...  There are some wonderful books on it.
-- 
From the Doubleplus Ungood Keyboard of Mark Callow
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Message-ID: <139@pucc-k>
Date: Wed, 14-Dec-83 11:36:20 EST
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Mark Callow points out that the list of most-censored books contains
some very worthwhile works.  This is not surprising.

Trashy books seldom get censored, partly because they are not used in
schools (and therefore do not attract much attention) and partly because
they contain few ideas which the powers-that-be find threatening.

I heard of one case in which the school board member who was leading the
crusade to ban John Steinbeck's "The Grapes of Wrath" (on the grounds
that it contained "bad language" and was "unsuitable for the classroom")
was the president of a local bank.  Could it be that he had entirely
different reasons for wanting the book banned?



				Dave Seaman
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Date: Fri, 8-Feb-85 12:26:27 EST
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Summary: 

Many of the features of Orwell's 1984, such as the deliberate squalor,
absolute control by the state, and the abolition of the past, are
also shown in another recent movie, The Killing Fields.  The society
depicted there has a major difference, however:  it was real, and recent.
-- 

John Quarterman, CS Dept., University of Texas, Austin, Texas 78712 USA
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