| MDD G4 Leopard native OS 9 boot [message #37875] |
Sat, 16 February 2013 11:28  |
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I saw a thread a while back (here)< https://groups.google.com/forum/m/?fromgroups#!topic/macos9/ omLso5j1dkU> about
OS 9 native boot on a FW800 MDD machine. I just acquired one of these and
am curious if anyone got it to work. I very much need a native OS9 boot
machine. Is the workaround on a FW800 G4 (mine's a dual) limited to the
Tiger OS? I have tried the procedure of creating the Apple Partition Map
new partition on a new HD, copying the contents of the OS9general.dmg to
it. Installed the drive as the internal slave HD. Seems to work fine
otherwise....but no luck on startup with the option key depressed-it only
sees Leopard.
Was there an additional procedure to this? I'm willing to jump through a
few hoops if necessary to get this going---if anyone can verify that it's
something that can be (has been) done.
Thanks,
Tom in Monroe, WA
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| Re: MDD G4 Leopard native OS 9 boot [message #37877 is a reply to message #37876] |
Sat, 16 February 2013 13:02  |
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On Feb 16, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Alex Sciortino wrote:
> IIRC MDDs don't support OS9.
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MDD F/W800's don't boot OS9, The FW/400 does.
John Carmonne
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| Re: MDD G4 Leopard native OS 9 boot [message #37878 is a reply to message #37876] |
Sat, 16 February 2013 13:05 |
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Yes, that is the point. They are not supposed to and don't as a standard,
but if you look at the thread, it has evidently been done with a fairly
simple workaround. That goes to the nature of my query.
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Alex Sciortino <zeosrule@gmail.com> wrote:
> IIRC MDDs don't support OS9.
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| Re: MDD G4 Leopard native OS 9 boot [message #37899 is a reply to message #37875] |
Sat, 16 February 2013 14:47 |
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On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Click wrote:
> I very much need a native OS9 boot machine.
Why won't Classic suffice?
> Is the workaround on a FW800 G4 (mine's a dual) limited to the Tiger
> OS?
The MDD FW800 supports Leopard 10.5.8.
> Was there an additional procedure to this?
I'm highly skeptical of these reports of booting OS 9 on FW800 or G5.
This ability to boot will be set in firmware I believe. The ONLY
plausible report I read was the possibility that Apple gave alternate
firmware to developers that had the ability to boot OS 9; or that
someone hacked the firmware to support OS 9 (you'd also need a FW800
hack). I don't believe any of the threads cited, where's the YouTube
video? We once had a guy fake a video showing Snow Leopard purportedly
booting on a G5. People say crazy things, and some people just lie, or
are honestly mistaken. It's likely the "friend's" MDD wasn't a FW800
model, but rather just a FW400 model.
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| Re: MDD G4 Leopard native OS 9 boot [message #37900 is a reply to message #37899] |
Sat, 16 February 2013 15:13 |
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On Feb 16, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Kris Tilford wrote:
> On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Click wrote:
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>> I very much need a native OS9 boot machine.
>
> Why won't Classic suffice?
>
In my case I use a CAD/CAM program $15,000.00 that incorporates a
Rainbow hardware dongle that requires OS9 boots the Eve extension, so
some of us really do need native OS9.
No work around for this dongle extension in Classic so far. I would
think after 20+ years it could be done but no cigar:-)
John Carmonne
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| Re: MDD G4 Leopard native OS 9 boot [message #37901 is a reply to message #37899] |
Sat, 16 February 2013 15:39 |
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Thanks for the response, Kris
>
> *Why won't Classic suffice? *
>
> I have done everything that I know to get a program to run in Classic
> using a mini G4, but it does not perform certain critical output (file
> write and report generation) functions. My understanding is that there are
> certain programs (this was written in mid-nineties, I think) for which this
> is true. Not every program is completely functional in Classic.
>
> *The MDD FW800 supports Leopard 10.5.8. *
>
> I think that I noted in my original comment that I am working in Leopard.
> I had noted that since the earlier posted stated that he had success in
> Tiger, perhaps this was something to note
>
> *People say crazy things, and some people just lie, or are honestly
> mistaken. It's likely the "friend's" MDD wasn't a FW800
> model, but rather just a FW400 model. *
>
> Agreed and noted. On the other hand, I have seen the reports of this
> result more than once with similar procedures, and also have seen some
> interesting non-Apple workarounds in my time, so thought it wouldn't hurt
> to poll the experts here.
Thanks again for your comments.
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| Re: MDD G4 Leopard native OS 9 boot [message #37902 is a reply to message #37900] |
Sat, 16 February 2013 15:51 |
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On Feb 16, 2013, at 2:13 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
> In my case I use a CAD/CAM program $15,000.00 that incorporates a
> Rainbow hardware dongle that requires OS9 boots the Eve extension,
> so some of us really do need native OS9.
> No work around for this dongle extension in Classic so far. I would
> think after 20+ years it could be done but no cigar:-)
Don't know anything about Rainbow Sentinel dongles, but a company that
was founded here in Topeka, NewTek, uses these dongles for their
LightWave software, and they have a way to use LightWave in Classic as
long as the USBSentinel, RainbowUSBSHim are located in the OS 9
extensions folder, and the Eve3.framework from the OS X Sentinel
Driver installer package is installed for OS X. This may work for you?
See here:
<http://forums.newtek.com/archive/index.php/t-13857.html>
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| Re: MDD G4 Leopard native OS 9 boot [message #37903 is a reply to message #37901] |
Sat, 16 February 2013 15:58 |
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On Feb 16, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Click wrote:
> Why won't Classic suffice?
>
> I have done everything that I know to get a program to run in
> Classic using a mini G4, but it does not perform certain critical
> output (file write and report generation) functions. My
> understanding is that there are certain programs (this was written
> in mid-nineties, I think) for which this is true. Not every program
> is completely functional in Classic.
Yes, I understand, but usually the problem is a hardware issue rather
than a software issue. John's Rainbow Sentinel USB dongle is such a
hardware issue. Others would be older printers, scanners, plotters, or
other hardware that had no OS X support. Normally software things like
file write and report generation are handled correctly within the
Classic environment.
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| Re: MDD G4 Leopard native OS 9 boot [message #37904 is a reply to message #37900] |
Sat, 16 February 2013 16:04 |
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I also have some Avid Audio/Video equipment and software that will
only work with a native OS9 booting Mac computer, which is why I am
keeping my dual 1.25GHz G4 PowerMac (upgraded to dual 1.42GHz G4 CPU
module from the FW800 G4), even though I also have my dual 2.7GHz G5
PowerMac. The 8 channel Audio switcher/blender and 4 channel video
switcher/overlay and post processing software will only work from an
OS9 Mac that is a native boot, not a Mac running in "Classic" mode.
On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:13 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
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> On Feb 16, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Kris Tilford wrote:
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>> On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Click wrote:
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>>> I very much need a native OS9 boot machine.
>>
>> Why won't Classic suffice?
>>
>
> In my case I use a CAD/CAM program $15,000.00 that incorporates a
> Rainbow hardware dongle that requires OS9 boots the Eve extension,
> so some of us really do need native OS9.
> No work around for this dongle extension in Classic so far. I would
> think after 20+ years it could be done but no cigar:-)
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| Re: MDD G4 Leopard native OS 9 boot [message #37905 is a reply to message #37902] |
Sat, 16 February 2013 16:17 |
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Newtek! A name from the past that continues to try to stay alive in
the world of intensely competitive 3D Model Rendering/Animation/
Compositing/Video Post Processing world. Considering the processing
power needed to run modern versions of LightWave 3D (or any other
company's 3D software), I would think that anyone wanting to run that
class of software would be running it on a more powerful (probably x86/
x64) computer architecture, instead of a G4 PPC machine running
MacOS9.x, but then I still have a couple of Motorola 68060 @50MHz
Amiga computers with LightWave3D installed on them that get booted
once or twice a year, so who am I to criticize anyone wanting to run
LightWave 3D on their G4 PowerMac's.
On Feb 16, 2013, at 12:51 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:
> On Feb 16, 2013, at 2:13 PM, John Carmonne wrote:
>
>> In my case I use a CAD/CAM program $15,000.00 that incorporates a
>> Rainbow hardware dongle that requires OS9 boots the Eve extension,
>> so some of us really do need native OS9.
>> No work around for this dongle extension in Classic so far. I would
>> think after 20+ years it could be done but no cigar:-)
>
> Don't know anything about Rainbow Sentinel dongles, but a company
> that was founded here in Topeka, NewTek, uses these dongles for
> their LightWave software, and they have a way to use LightWave in
> Classic as long as the USBSentinel, RainbowUSBSHim are located in
> the OS 9 extensions folder, and the Eve3.framework from the OS X
> Sentinel Driver installer package is installed for OS X. This may
> work for you? See here:
>
> <http://forums.newtek.com/archive/index.php/t-13857.html>
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| Re: MDD G4 Leopard native OS 9 boot [message #37918 is a reply to message #37903] |
Sat, 16 February 2013 17:41 |
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> Yes, I understand, but usually the problem is a hardware issue rather
> than a software issue.
>
Well, the behavior is interesting. The total report as printed on an OS 9
G3 should be, let's say, 4 pages: 3 detail sheets followed without
interruption or intervention, by a summary page and a small file written to
disk. In other words it appears to the user to be one report printed in
one piece and a small file being created for subsequent use.
In Classic just the first three pages print and then the program appears to
end normally. But the final report page and disk file don't happen.
Regardless of the printer chosen. So in essence we get an incomplete
report, 3 pages out of 4, and no disk file. Incomplete processing, but
normal termination, based on appearance.
Beats me.
Works fine in any OS from 7 through 9, but I can't get it to work on a Mac
Mini G4 Tiger in Classic. I understand the comment, but from what I can
see, though, there's not much "hardware" involved here. But obviously I'm
missing something.
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