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Re: Digest for g3-5-list@googlegroups.com - 2 Messages in 1 Topic [message #29472] Wed, 19 December 2012 11:13 Go to next message
Michael McMurtrey is currently offline  Michael McMurtrey
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Registered: December 2012
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My Radeon 9600 is the Mac edition, and the monitor connectors pose no
problem. My monitor is a ViewSonic 930m connected via the DVI
connector. No problems with Safari, either.

This is why I always look for genuine Mac components and have avoided
flashed PC cards.

Michael McMurtrey
Carrollton, TX

On Dec 19, 2012, at 5:09 AM, g3-5-list@googlegroups.com wrote:

> Today's Topic Summary

> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/topics

>

> Follow-up: ADC - AGP video card issues for MDD and G5 [2 Updates]

> Follow-up: ADC - AGP video card issues for MDD and G5

> frrob <frrob@earthlink.net> Dec 18 10:35AM -0800

>

> Hello again:

>

> You'll recall my travails last week with the Radeon 9800 Pro that I

> couldn't get to work properly/reliably in my 1.25 gHz DP MDD. I

> finally

> gave up on it, and reverted to the stock 9000.

>

> But I purchased a 9600 XT on eBay, which I received yesterday. The

> machine

> wouldn't power on with the card until I taped pins 3 & 11, which

> didn't

> surprise me. But I taped the pins and the machine started right up,

> and the

> card works fine, with a couple of caveats, which I'll get to in a

> moment.

>

> However, much to my chagrin, I discovered that the 9600 XT, and

> presumably

> other AGP/ADC video cards meant originally for the G5, does not have

> its

> ADC connector in the same place as the 9000, or other G4 AGP/ADC

> cards. The

> ADC connector for the 9600 is further back on the card than that of

> the

> 9000. Color me stupid, but, never having poked around inside a G5, I

> did

> not know that the G5 and G4 had different physical locations for the

> ADC

> connector. I figured ADC was ADC. D'oh!

>

> So, though the card works, I've really gained nothing by getting the

> 9600.

> I wanted an AGP/ADC card into which I could just plug my Apple 23

> inch ADC

> display. I can use my DVI - ADC adapter with the card, but what I

> wanted

> was a straight ADC connection.

>

> So, first question: my subsequent research indicates that the only

> AGP/ADC

> card that offers Core Image hardware acceleration, and will

> physically work

> with the ADC connector of the MDD, is the Radeon 9700, which,

> apparently,

> had a version that was designed for the MDD. Is this correct, or are

> there

> others I'm not aware of?

>

> Furthermore, there is one issue with the 9600 when I use it with the

> DVI-ADC adapter and my 23 inch cinema display. For some reason, and

> this

> *only* happens with the DVI-ADC adapter and the cinema display, when

> I load

> pages in Safari that have Flash content, Safari either hangs and

> becomes

> unresponsive, or quits altogether. I then get a dialog that says

> "Safari

> has quit unexpectedly. This may have been caused by the Flash 10.x

> plug-in." This only happens with the 9600 - DVI - ADC - 23 inch cinema

> combination. Any ideas what is going on here? I am guessing, but

> perhaps

> for some reason the Core Image hardware acceleration of the 9600

> (which the

> 9000 doesn't have) doesn't play well with Flash and ADC? I can't

> imagine

> why, but there it is.

>

> Finally, my second question, which may be moot, but: has anyone ever

> tried

> to somehow adapt the ADC connector of one of these G5 ADC cards to

> the ADC

> connector of an MDD? It seems to me that it could be done and could

> work.

> The ADC connector only has two leads, which supply power for the

> display,

> correct? It seems to me that you might be able to come up with some

> kind of

> franken-connector or jumper that would let you go straight ADC.

> Anyone know

> anything out there?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Rob J.

>

> Peter Devlin <pdimage@mail.com> Dec 18 07:47PM

>

>> It seems to me that you might be able to come up with some kind of

>> franken-connector or jumper that would let you go straight ADC.

> Anyone know

>> anything out there?

>

> I've seen a G5 AGP Pro 8x card converted to work in a non pro G4 4x

> slot

> - not a pretty sight. But afaik the adc in the mdd has two

> connections in

> the agp slot - thus the taping of pins 3 and 11 on 8x cards which I

> believe

> in the mac slot supply power for the adc connection. In between the

> 4x agp

> mdd and the 8x agp G5 the layout of the slot was converted to agp

> pro design

> to keep adc - apple should have gone for dvi/vga at that point (had to

> eventually) but they have always liked to have their proprietary video

> connectors going way back...

>

> Pete

>

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Re: Digest for g3-5...@googlegroups.com - 2 Messages in 1 Topic [message #29691 is a reply to message #29472] Thu, 20 December 2012 11:17 Go to previous message
frrob is currently offline  frrob
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Michael:

I think you might have misunderstood me. My 9600 is also the Mac edition,
with DVI and ADC monitor connectors. I was not speaking of the *external*
monitor connector, I was speaking of the *internal* connection for ADC on
the card, and next to the AGP slot in the motherboard. In a MDD G4 and a G5
they are not physically in the same position - in the G4 the connector on
the card hangs out "orphaned", and does not plug into the ADC slot. So I
was looking for a workaround for this.

Thanks,

Rob J..


On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:13:08 AM UTC-5, skyki...@verizon.net
wrote:
>

> My Radeon 9600 is the Mac edition, and the monitor connectors pose no

> problem. My monitor is a ViewSonic 930m connected via the DVI connector. No

> problems with Safari, either.

>

> This is why I always look for genuine Mac components and have avoided

> flashed PC cards.

>

> Michael McMurtrey

> Carrollton, TX

>

> On Dec 19, 2012, at 5:09 AM, g3-5...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> wrote:

>

> Today's Topic Summary

>

> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/topics

>

> - Follow-up: ADC - AGP video card issues for MDD and G5<#DCFF471C-2588-438F-90DA-7FC1067CD2A5@verizon.net_group_thread_0>[2 Updates]

>

> Follow-up: ADC - AGP video card issues for MDD and G5<http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/t/f6e50ddfa1a61d32>

>

> frrob <fr...@earthlink.net <javascript:>> Dec 18 10:35AM -0800

>

> Hello again:

>

> You'll recall my travails last week with the Radeon 9800 Pro that I

> couldn't get to work properly/reliably in my 1.25 gHz DP MDD. I

> finally

> gave up on it, and reverted to the stock 9000.

>

> But I purchased a 9600 XT on eBay, which I received yesterday. The

> machine

> wouldn't power on with the card until I taped pins 3 & 11, which

> didn't

> surprise me. But I taped the pins and the machine started right up,

> and the

> card works fine, with a couple of caveats, which I'll get to in a

> moment.

>

> However, much to my chagrin, I discovered that the 9600 XT, and

> presumably

> other AGP/ADC video cards meant originally for the G5, does not have

> its

> ADC connector in the same place as the 9000, or other G4 AGP/ADC

> cards. The

> ADC connector for the 9600 is further back on the card than that of

> the

> 9000. Color me stupid, but, never having poked around inside a G5, I

> did

> not know that the G5 and G4 had different physical locations for the

> ADC

> connector. I figured ADC was ADC. D'oh!

>

> So, though the card works, I've really gained nothing by getting the

> 9600.

> I wanted an AGP/ADC card into which I could just plug my Apple 23 inch

> ADC

> display. I can use my DVI - ADC adapter with the card, but what I

> wanted

> was a straight ADC connection.

>

> So, first question: my subsequent research indicates that the only

> AGP/ADC

> card that offers Core Image hardware acceleration, and will physically

> work

> with the ADC connector of the MDD, is the Radeon 9700, which,

> apparently,

> had a version that was designed for the MDD. Is this correct, or are

> there

> others I'm not aware of?

>

> Furthermore, there is one issue with the 9600 when I use it with the

> DVI-ADC adapter and my 23 inch cinema display. For some reason, and

> this

> *only* happens with the DVI-ADC adapter and the cinema display, when I

> load

> pages in Safari that have Flash content, Safari either hangs and

> becomes

> unresponsive, or quits altogether. I then get a dialog that says

> "Safari

> has quit unexpectedly. This may have been caused by the Flash 10.x

> plug-in." This only happens with the 9600 - DVI - ADC - 23 inch cinema

> combination. Any ideas what is going on here? I am guessing, but

> perhaps

> for some reason the Core Image hardware acceleration of the 9600

> (which the

> 9000 doesn't have) doesn't play well with Flash and ADC? I can't

> imagine

> why, but there it is.

>

> Finally, my second question, which may be moot, but: has anyone ever

> tried

> to somehow adapt the ADC connector of one of these G5 ADC cards to the

> ADC

> connector of an MDD? It seems to me that it could be done and could

> work.

> The ADC connector only has two leads, which supply power for the

> display,

> correct? It seems to me that you might be able to come up with some

> kind of

> franken-connector or jumper that would let you go straight ADC. Anyone

> know

> anything out there?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Rob J.

>

>

>

> Peter Devlin <pdi...@mail.com <javascript:>> Dec 18 07:47PM

>

>> It seems to me that you might be able to come up with some kind of

>> franken-connector or jumper that would let you go straight ADC.

> Anyone know

>> anything out there?

>

> I've seen a G5 AGP Pro 8x card converted to work in a non pro G4 4x

> slot

> - not a pretty sight. But afaik the adc in the mdd has two connections

> in

> the agp slot - thus the taping of pins 3 and 11 on 8x cards which I

> believe

> in the mac slot supply power for the adc connection. In between the 4x

> agp

> mdd and the 8x agp G5 the layout of the slot was converted to agp pro

> design

> to keep adc - apple should have gone for dvi/vga at that point (had to

> eventually) but they have always liked to have their proprietary video

> connectors going way back...

>

> Pete

>

>

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