| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417392 is a reply to message #417386] |
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 16:00:01 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 07/11/2022 15:10, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On 7 Nov 2022 11:53:58 GMT
>> Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
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>>> To TNP, you're a Marxists if you are even slightly to the left of
>>> Attila the Hun.
>>
>> But I thought he was all for state ownership - he's the state
>> and he owns it all, arguing is harder without a head.
>>
<woosh> :)
> I am absolutely not for state ownership except as a last resort.
Not you Atilla the Hun - it was a joke.
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417393 is a reply to message #417388] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 12:00 |
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On 07/11/2022 16:52, D.J. wrote:
> Here in the US woke is used as a derisive term by people on the far
> right who don't like being reminded that their anncestors had slaves.
That is precisely the sort of bigotry that 'woke' people advocate.
How about all the black people that had slaves? Or the Arab people that
had slaves,. Or the Roman people that had slaves. Or the Viking people
who had slaves.
I can't think of an agricultural society that *hasn't* had slaves.
My ancestors - some of them - were slaves.
What does it benefit anybody to make a big deal out of it?
--
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over
the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.
Frédéric Bastiat
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417395 is a reply to message #417393] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 12:05 |
D.J.
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:00:43 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 07/11/2022 16:52, D.J. wrote:
>> Here in the US woke is used as a derisive term by people on the far
>> right who don't like being reminded that their anncestors had slaves.
>
> That is precisely the sort of bigotry that 'woke' people advocate.
>
> How about all the black people that had slaves? Or the Arab people that
> had slaves,. Or the Roman people that had slaves. Or the Viking people
> who had slaves.
Roman Empire is gone. Vikings are gone, but some twits are trying to
bring them back.
> I can't think of an agricultural society that *hasn't* had slaves.
>
> My ancestors - some of them - were slaves.
>
> What does it benefit anybody to make a big deal out of it?
To remember and not do it anymore.
My Comanche relatives had slaves, but a slave could work their way up
and become a full tribe member. Don't worry, they took whites and
enslaved them.
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Jim
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417396 is a reply to message #417391] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 12:09 |
The Natural Philosoph
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On 07/11/2022 16:58, D.J. wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 15:56:04 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 07/11/2022 11:53, Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 10:21:01 +0000, Pancho wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/11/2022 23:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> > Its classic Marxist dialectic. You have laid it out yourself
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> Marxist dialectic? Come on, I is a pleb. The only Marx I can quote is
>>>> Groucho.
>>>
>>> To TNP, you're a Marxists if you are even slightly to the left of Attila
>>> the Hun.
>>>
>>> It makes his life simpler.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No, Its not a question of left or right, its a question of the actual
>> agenda - the matrix - on which you draw left and right
>>
>> It might start with an innocent question like 'do you believe in human
>> rights'?
>>
>> My honest answer philosophically would be 'no., I dont'
>
> Then you believe, but wont admit even to yourself, in dictatorship.
>
What on earth weird chain of thought, led to that?
Perhaps your worldview is so woke that you cannot understand the
difference between belief in the innate existence of something, and the
development of law that establishes a stable society.
Woke idiots *believe* in human rights. Sane conservatives *define* them
in law. By consensus.
Not because they have some god given moral authority, but because they
allow society to function.
--
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.
Mark Twain
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417397 is a reply to message #417395] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 12:16 |
The Natural Philosoph
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On 07/11/2022 17:05, D.J. wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:00:43 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 07/11/2022 16:52, D.J. wrote:
>>> Here in the US woke is used as a derisive term by people on the far
>>> right who don't like being reminded that their anncestors had slaves.
>>
>> That is precisely the sort of bigotry that 'woke' people advocate.
>>
>> How about all the black people that had slaves? Or the Arab people that
>> had slaves,. Or the Roman people that had slaves. Or the Viking people
>> who had slaves.
>
> Roman Empire is gone. Vikings are gone, but some twits are trying to
> bring them back.
>
>> I can't think of an agricultural society that *hasn't* had slaves.
>>
>> My ancestors - some of them - were slaves.
>>
>> What does it benefit anybody to make a big deal out of it?
>
> To remember and not do it anymore.
>
Remember? WTF? The only people who DONT remember are the black Africans
who raided their neighbours to sell their sons and daughters on.
> My Comanche relatives had slaves, but a slave could work their way up
> and become a full tribe member. Don't worry, they took whites and
> enslaved them.
As did every other nation in the world.
Slavery isn't some European aberration - the aberration is we decided to
get rid of it.
No other nation did.
> --
> Jim
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417399 is a reply to message #417374] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 13:10 |
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Originally posted by: greymaus
On 2022-11-07, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:
> On 06/11/2022 23:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> Its classic Marxist dialectic. You have laid it out yourself
>>
>
> Marxist dialectic? Come on, I is a pleb. The only Marx I can quote is
> Groucho.
>
The Marxist dialectic was,is a variant on the classic Greek idea,
situation A is faced with situation B,, and the result is situation C, a
mixture of the two.
In the Marxist variant, feudalism is faced with mercantilism (The middle
classes) and the result would be Socialism, leading on the Communism.
AFAIK, communism was never achieved in any country, most got stuck at
the first phase.
Again, technical developements prevented a lot of the progress to a
fairer society, trains and telegraph in the late 19th century,
internnnet now, and car now.
I cannot understand why USAians get their knickers in a twist at the
mention of Marxism. (His fellow traveller friend (Engels) wrote for the
Herald Tribune for years.)
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Fe, Fi, Fo, Fum, I smell the stench of an Influencer.
Where is our money gone, Dude?
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417400 is a reply to message #417397] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 14:02 |
D.J.
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:16:26 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 07/11/2022 17:05, D.J. wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:00:43 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/11/2022 16:52, D.J. wrote:
>>>> Here in the US woke is used as a derisive term by people on the far
>>>> right who don't like being reminded that their anncestors had slaves.
>>>
>>> That is precisely the sort of bigotry that 'woke' people advocate.
>>>
>>> How about all the black people that had slaves? Or the Arab people that
>>> had slaves,. Or the Roman people that had slaves. Or the Viking people
>>> who had slaves.
>>
>> Roman Empire is gone. Vikings are gone, but some twits are trying to
>> bring them back.
>>
>>> I can't think of an agricultural society that *hasn't* had slaves.
>>>
>>> My ancestors - some of them - were slaves.
>>>
>>> What does it benefit anybody to make a big deal out of it?
>>
>> To remember and not do it anymore.
>>
> Remember? WTF? The only people who DONT remember are the black Africans
> who raided their neighbours to sell their sons and daughters on.
But they do remember. There is a slavery history museum in Dahomy. The
people who run it, are descendants of those African slavers.
>> My Comanche relatives had slaves, but a slave could work their way up
>> and become a full tribe member. Don't worry, they took whites and
>> enslaved them.
>
> As did every other nation in the world.
> Slavery isn't some European aberration - the aberration is we decided to
> get rid of it.
>
> No other nation did.
Slavery is the aberration kid.
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Jim
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417401 is a reply to message #417396] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 14:03 |
D.J.
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:09:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 07/11/2022 16:58, D.J. wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 15:56:04 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 07/11/2022 11:53, Bob Eager wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 10:21:01 +0000, Pancho wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 06/11/2022 23:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> Its classic Marxist dialectic. You have laid it out yourself
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> > Marxist dialectic? Come on, I is a pleb. The only Marx I can quote is
>>>> > Groucho.
>>>>
>>>> To TNP, you're a Marxists if you are even slightly to the left of Attila
>>>> the Hun.
>>>>
>>>> It makes his life simpler.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, Its not a question of left or right, its a question of the actual
>>> agenda - the matrix - on which you draw left and right
>>>
>>> It might start with an innocent question like 'do you believe in human
>>> rights'?
>>>
>>> My honest answer philosophically would be 'no., I dont'
>>
>> Then you believe, but wont admit even to yourself, in dictatorship.
>>
> What on earth weird chain of thought, led to that?
Your posts.
> Perhaps your worldview is so woke that you cannot understand the
> difference between belief in the innate existence of something, and the
> development of law that establishes a stable society.
>
> Woke idiots *believe* in human rights. Sane conservatives *define* them
> in law. By consensus.
Nope.
> Not because they have some god given moral authority, but because they
> allow society to function.
Conservatives never believe in rights, in the US, for anyone but rich
white males.
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Jim
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417402 is a reply to message #417399] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 14:11 |
D.J.
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On 7 Nov 2022 18:10:56 GMT, greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> On 2022-11-07, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:
>> On 06/11/2022 23:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Its classic Marxist dialectic. You have laid it out yourself
>>>
>>
>> Marxist dialectic? Come on, I is a pleb. The only Marx I can quote is
>> Groucho.
>>
> The Marxist dialectic was,is a variant on the classic Greek idea,
> situation A is faced with situation B,, and the result is situation C, a
> mixture of the two.
>
> In the Marxist variant, feudalism is faced with mercantilism (The middle
> classes) and the result would be Socialism, leading on the Communism.
> AFAIK, communism was never achieved in any country, most got stuck at
> the first phase.
All of the nations calling themselves communist, were totalitarian
dictatorships.
> Again, technical developements prevented a lot of the progress to a
> fairer society, trains and telegraph in the late 19th century,
> internnnet now, and car now.
>
> I cannot understand why USAians get their knickers in a twist at the
> mention of Marxism. (His fellow traveller friend (Engels) wrote for the
> Herald Tribune for years.)
We read and studied The Declaration of Independence from King George
II, The US Constitution, The Bill of Rights which are the first 10
Amendments, the Communist Manifesto, and Mein Kampf in high school
government class.
The later two are full of gibberish and nonsense. I read them cover to
cover. Some words, I used to dictionary to look them up.
I've studied the actions of Adolf and Karl Marx. They were deluded, at
the minimum.
I don't like Nazis, and I don't like Communists. Both murder millions
of people because they do their best to get away with it, and their
reasons for doing so are absurd.
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417403 is a reply to message #417398] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 14:15 |
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Originally posted by: David W. Hodgins
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 12:53:23 -0500, Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> wrote:
> On 2022-11-02 1:21 p.m., Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> Leave "they" alone. It's plural.
>
> I take it thou desires to go back to thou and thine
> since "you" and "your" are also plural. :)
Whoever posted the part labeled as being from Charlie Gibbs, they (singular)
need a better education on the English language.
Dave Hodgins
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417404 is a reply to message #417399] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 14:21 |
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greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> writes:
> On 2022-11-07, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:
>> On 06/11/2022 23:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Its classic Marxist dialectic. You have laid it out yourself
>>>
>>
>> Marxist dialectic? Come on, I is a pleb. The only Marx I can quote is
>> Groucho.
>>
> The Marxist dialectic was,is a variant on the classic Greek idea,
> situation A is faced with situation B,, and the result is situation C, a
> mixture of the two.
>
> In the Marxist variant, feudalism is faced with mercantilism (The middle
> classes) and the result would be Socialism, leading on the Communism.
> AFAIK, communism was never achieved in any country, most got stuck at
> the first phase.
>
> Again, technical developements prevented a lot of the progress to a
> fairer society, trains and telegraph in the late 19th century,
> internnnet now, and car now.
>
> I cannot understand why USAians get their knickers in a twist at the
> mention of Marxism. (His fellow traveller friend (Engels) wrote for the
> Herald Tribune for years.)
Most USAians who complain about "Socialism" have no clue what it really
is. To them, any non-laissez-faire attitude is "socialism" or "communism".
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417405 is a reply to message #417398] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 14:46 |
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On 07/11/2022 17:53, Alan Bowler wrote:
> On 2022-11-02 1:21 p.m., Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> Leave "they" alone. It's plural.
>
> I take it thou desires to go back to thou and thine
> since "you" and "your" are also plural. :)
>
I think it would be huge fun to go back to Thou Thee and thine.
Or should that be Þou, Þee and Þine?
And that should be
I take it þou desirest to go back to þou and þine....
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“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the
urge to rule it.”
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417406 is a reply to message #417404] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 14:47 |
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Originally posted by: greymaus
On 2022-11-07, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> writes:
>> On 2022-11-07, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:
>>> On 06/11/2022 23:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Its classic Marxist dialectic. You have laid it out yourself
>>>>
>>>
>>> Marxist dialectic? Come on, I is a pleb. The only Marx I can quote is
>>> Groucho.
>>>
>> The Marxist dialectic was,is a variant on the classic Greek idea,
>> situation A is faced with situation B,, and the result is situation C, a
>> mixture of the two.
>>
>> In the Marxist variant, feudalism is faced with mercantilism (The middle
>> classes) and the result would be Socialism, leading on the Communism.
>> AFAIK, communism was never achieved in any country, most got stuck at
>> the first phase.
>>
>> Again, technical developements prevented a lot of the progress to a
>> fairer society, trains and telegraph in the late 19th century,
>> internnnet now, and car now.
>>
>> I cannot understand why USAians get their knickers in a twist at the
>> mention of Marxism. (His fellow traveller friend (Engels) wrote for the
>> Herald Tribune for years.)
The only newspaper that started a war for to sell copies.
>
> Most USAians who complain about "Socialism" have no clue what it really
> is. To them, any non-laissez-faire attitude is "socialism" or "communism".
I am presently looking at `Margin Call'. very evocotive (sp?.)
Kevin Spacey, whatever his other problems, is a great actor.
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Fe, Fi, Fo, Fum, I smell the stench of an Influencer.
Where is our money gone, Dude?
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417407 is a reply to message #417400] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 14:48 |
The Natural Philosoph
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On 07/11/2022 19:02, D.J. wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:16:26 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 07/11/2022 17:05, D.J. wrote:
>>> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:00:43 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/11/2022 16:52, D.J. wrote:
>>>> > Here in the US woke is used as a derisive term by people on the far
>>>> > right who don't like being reminded that their anncestors had slaves.
>>>>
>>>> That is precisely the sort of bigotry that 'woke' people advocate.
>>>>
>>>> How about all the black people that had slaves? Or the Arab people that
>>>> had slaves,. Or the Roman people that had slaves. Or the Viking people
>>>> who had slaves.
>>>
>>> Roman Empire is gone. Vikings are gone, but some twits are trying to
>>> bring them back.
>>>
>>>> I can't think of an agricultural society that *hasn't* had slaves.
>>>>
>>>> My ancestors - some of them - were slaves.
>>>>
>>>> What does it benefit anybody to make a big deal out of it?
>>>
>>> To remember and not do it anymore.
>>>
>> Remember? WTF? The only people who DONT remember are the black Africans
>> who raided their neighbours to sell their sons and daughters on.
>
> But they do remember. There is a slavery history museum in Dahomy. The
> people who run it, are descendants of those African slavers.
>
>>> My Comanche relatives had slaves, but a slave could work their way up
>>> and become a full tribe member. Don't worry, they took whites and
>>> enslaved them.
>>
>> As did every other nation in the world.
>> Slavery isn't some European aberration - the aberration is we decided to
>> get rid of it.
>>
>> No other nation did.
>
> Slavery is the aberration kid.
Whatever.
There are words, and there is what happened.
Europe got rid of slavery. No one else did.
--
Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
But Marxism is the crack cocaine.
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417408 is a reply to message #417401] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 14:51 |
The Natural Philosoph
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On 07/11/2022 19:03, D.J. wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:09:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 07/11/2022 16:58, D.J. wrote:
>>> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 15:56:04 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 07/11/2022 11:53, Bob Eager wrote:
>>>> > On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 10:21:01 +0000, Pancho wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 06/11/2022 23:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>> Its classic Marxist dialectic. You have laid it out yourself
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> Marxist dialectic? Come on, I is a pleb. The only Marx I can quote is
>>>> >> Groucho.
>>>> >
>>>> > To TNP, you're a Marxists if you are even slightly to the left of Attila
>>>> > the Hun.
>>>> >
>>>> > It makes his life simpler.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> No, Its not a question of left or right, its a question of the actual
>>>> agenda - the matrix - on which you draw left and right
>>>>
>>>> It might start with an innocent question like 'do you believe in human
>>>> rights'?
>>>>
>>>> My honest answer philosophically would be 'no., I dont'
>>>
>>> Then you believe, but wont admit even to yourself, in dictatorship.
>>>
>> What on earth weird chain of thought, led to that?
>
> Your posts.
>
>> Perhaps your worldview is so woke that you cannot understand the
>> difference between belief in the innate existence of something, and the
>> development of law that establishes a stable society.
>>
>> Woke idiots *believe* in human rights. Sane conservatives *define* them
>> in law. By consensus.
>
> Nope.
Yup.
>
>> Not because they have some god given moral authority, but because they
>> allow society to function.
>
> Conservatives never believe in rights, in the US, for anyone but rich
> white males.
There you go with more woke bigotry.
Conservatives do not believe in rights for rich white males. Those are
fascists pretending to be liberals
Conservatives understand that a legal framework of rights is a good way
to regulate a society so that it can *function*.
A concept foreign to Liberals and other ArtStudents™
You don't even seem to understand what 'conservative' means. In essence
it is, applied to legal political and moral codes 'if it ain't broke,
dont fix it'
> --
> Jim
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Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
But Marxism is the crack cocaine.
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417409 is a reply to message #417403] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 14:53 |
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On 07/11/2022 19:15, David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 12:53:23 -0500, Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-11-02 1:21 p.m., Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> Leave "they" alone. It's plural.
>>
>> I take it thou desires to go back to thou and thine
>> since "you" and "your" are also plural. :)
>
> Whoever posted the part labeled as being from Charlie Gibbs, they
> (singular)
> need a better education on the English language.
>
Well no, The American language perhaps, but in English, They are plural.
They is not singular.
I have noticed the plural form of verbs has all but disappeared.
--
"Nature does not give up the winter because people dislike the cold."
― Confucius
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417410 is a reply to message #417408] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 15:01 |
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 19:51:58 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 07/11/2022 19:03, D.J. wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:09:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 07/11/2022 16:58, D.J. wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 15:56:04 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> > On 07/11/2022 11:53, Bob Eager wrote:
>>>> >> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 10:21:01 +0000, Pancho wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On 06/11/2022 23:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> Its classic Marxist dialectic. You have laid it out yourself
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>> Marxist dialectic? Come on, I is a pleb. The only Marx I can quote is
>>>> >>> Groucho.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> To TNP, you're a Marxists if you are even slightly to the left of Attila
>>>> >> the Hun.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It makes his life simpler.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > No, Its not a question of left or right, its a question of the actual
>>>> > agenda - the matrix - on which you draw left and right
>>>> >
>>>> > It might start with an innocent question like 'do you believe in human
>>>> > rights'?
>>>> >
>>>> > My honest answer philosophically would be 'no., I dont'
>>>>
>>>> Then you believe, but wont admit even to yourself, in dictatorship.
>>>>
>>> What on earth weird chain of thought, led to that?
>>
>> Your posts.
>>
>>> Perhaps your worldview is so woke that you cannot understand the
>>> difference between belief in the innate existence of something, and the
>>> development of law that establishes a stable society.
>>>
>>> Woke idiots *believe* in human rights. Sane conservatives *define* them
>>> in law. By consensus.
>>
>> Nope.
> Yup.
>>
>>> Not because they have some god given moral authority, but because they
>>> allow society to function.
>>
>> Conservatives never believe in rights, in the US, for anyone but rich
>> white males.
>
> There you go with more woke bigotry.
> Conservatives do not believe in rights for rich white males. Those are
> fascists pretending to be liberals
Not US conservatives. The only thing they want to preserve is white
priviledge.
> Conservatives understand that a legal framework of rights is a good way
> to regulate a society so that it can *function*.
> A concept foreign to Liberals and other ArtStudents
>
> You don't even seem to understand what 'conservative' means. In essence
> it is, applied to legal political and moral codes 'if it ain't broke,
> dont fix it'
The US white conservatives aren't like the people you are used
to/know. In the past 10 or so years they have leaned to the far right.
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Mon, 07 November 2022 15:04 |
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 19:21:01 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
> greymaus <greymaus@dmaus.org> writes:
>> On 2022-11-07, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:
>>> On 06/11/2022 23:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Its classic Marxist dialectic. You have laid it out yourself
>>>>
>>>
>>> Marxist dialectic? Come on, I is a pleb. The only Marx I can quote is
>>> Groucho.
>>>
>> The Marxist dialectic was,is a variant on the classic Greek idea,
>> situation A is faced with situation B,, and the result is situation C, a
>> mixture of the two.
>>
>> In the Marxist variant, feudalism is faced with mercantilism (The middle
>> classes) and the result would be Socialism, leading on the Communism.
>> AFAIK, communism was never achieved in any country, most got stuck at
>> the first phase.
>>
>> Again, technical developements prevented a lot of the progress to a
>> fairer society, trains and telegraph in the late 19th century,
>> internnnet now, and car now.
>>
>> I cannot understand why USAians get their knickers in a twist at the
>> mention of Marxism. (His fellow traveller friend (Engels) wrote for the
>> Herald Tribune for years.)
>
> Most USAians who complain about "Socialism" have no clue what it really
> is. To them, any non-laissez-faire attitude is "socialism" or "communism".
That is due to nonsense spouted for years by the US right, Fox
Entertainment, NewsMax, Qanon, and many Republicam members of the US
Congress.
Socialism is actually any thing the government does for people; roads,
schools, hospitals, parks, etc.
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Mon, 07 November 2022 15:15 |
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On 07/11/2022 20:01, D.J. wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 19:51:58 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 07/11/2022 19:03, D.J. wrote:
>>> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:09:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 07/11/2022 16:58, D.J. wrote:
>>>> > On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 15:56:04 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>>> > <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >> On 07/11/2022 11:53, Bob Eager wrote:
>>>> >>> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 10:21:01 +0000, Pancho wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On 06/11/2022 23:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Its classic Marxist dialectic. You have laid it out yourself
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> Marxist dialectic? Come on, I is a pleb. The only Marx I can quote is
>>>> >>>> Groucho.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> To TNP, you're a Marxists if you are even slightly to the left of Attila
>>>> >>> the Hun.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> It makes his life simpler.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> No, Its not a question of left or right, its a question of the actual
>>>> >> agenda - the matrix - on which you draw left and right
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It might start with an innocent question like 'do you believe in human
>>>> >> rights'?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> My honest answer philosophically would be 'no., I dont'
>>>> >
>>>> > Then you believe, but wont admit even to yourself, in dictatorship.
>>>> >
>>>> What on earth weird chain of thought, led to that?
>>>
>>> Your posts.
>>>
>>>> Perhaps your worldview is so woke that you cannot understand the
>>>> difference between belief in the innate existence of something, and the
>>>> development of law that establishes a stable society.
>>>>
>>>> Woke idiots *believe* in human rights. Sane conservatives *define* them
>>>> in law. By consensus.
>>>
>>> Nope.
>> Yup.
>>>
>>>> Not because they have some god given moral authority, but because they
>>>> allow society to function.
>>>
>>> Conservatives never believe in rights, in the US, for anyone but rich
>>> white males.
>>
>> There you go with more woke bigotry.
>> Conservatives do not believe in rights for rich white males. Those are
>> fascists pretending to be liberals
>
> Not US conservatives. The only thing they want to preserve is white
> priviledge.
>
Then they are as not-conservative as the democrats are not-demcratic and
the Liberals are not-liberal
>
>> Conservatives understand that a legal framework of rights is a good way
>> to regulate a society so that it can *function*.
>> A concept foreign to Liberals and other ArtStudents™
>>
>> You don't even seem to understand what 'conservative' means. In essence
>> it is, applied to legal political and moral codes 'if it ain't broke,
>> dont fix it'
>
> The US white conservatives aren't like the people you are used
> to/know. In the past 10 or so years they have leaned to the far right.
Then they are not true conservatives, any more than the Democrats are
true socialists.
> --
> Jim
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Mon, 07 November 2022 15:28 |
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Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I???m retired, so I can???t lose my job. I don???t care whether or not people
> like me, follow me on instagram, or whatever. I can do what I want. If I
> still had my job at the university I???d probably have to be more careful.
>
I'm afraid that with your attitude if you still had your job at the
university, you wouldn't have your job at the university.
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417414 is a reply to message #417409] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 15:23 |
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Originally posted by: David W. Hodgins
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 14:53:50 -0500, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 07/11/2022 19:15, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 12:53:23 -0500, Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-11-02 1:21 p.m., Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> Leave "they" alone. It's plural.
>>>
>>> I take it thou desires to go back to thou and thine
>>> since "you" and "your" are also plural. :)
>>
>> Whoever posted the part labeled as being from Charlie Gibbs, they
>> (singular)
>> need a better education on the English language.
>>
> Well no, The American language perhaps, but in English, They are plural.
> They is not singular.
>
>
> I have noticed the plural form of verbs has all but disappeared.
I'm Canadian. I was taught that "they" can be singular when referring to
an unidentified individual.
Dave Hodgins
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417415 is a reply to message #417413] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 15:38 |
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On 07/11/2022 20:28, root wrote:
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I???m retired, so I can???t lose my job. I don???t care whether or not people
>> like me, follow me on instagram, or whatever. I can do what I want. If I
>> still had my job at the university I???d probably have to be more careful.
>>
>
> I'm afraid that with your attitude if you still had your job at the
> university, you wouldn't have your job at the university.
Indeed. Article in the news today, that all the alumni of Cambridge
university are cancelling the donations in their wills because of its
outright politicisation.
You cancel free speech, we cancel our donations.
Seems a fair enough trade.
--
“A leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader,
who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
“We did this ourselves.”
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417416 is a reply to message #417414] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 15:46 |
The Natural Philosoph
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On 07/11/2022 20:23, David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 14:53:50 -0500, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 07/11/2022 19:15, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>>> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 12:53:23 -0500, Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-11-02 1:21 p.m., Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> > Leave "they" alone. It's plural.
>>>>
>>>> I take it thou desires to go back to thou and thine
>>>> since "you" and "your" are also plural. :)
>>>
>>> Whoever posted the part labeled as being from Charlie Gibbs, they
>>> (singular)
>>> need a better education on the English language.
>>>
>> Well no, The American language perhaps, but in English, They are plural.
>> They is not singular.
>>
>>
>> I have noticed the plural form of verbs has all but disappeared.
>
> I'm Canadian. I was taught that "they" can be singular when referring to
> an unidentified individual.
>
Autre temps, autre moeurs.
You can get away with 'someone was here, they were daring' but it still
takes the plural verb form and its not what I would call 'correct
English' but then correct English is only taught in India, these days.
> Dave Hodgins
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417419 is a reply to message #417387] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 16:45 |
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Originally posted by: pH
On 2022-11-07, D.J <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 23:31:35 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 06/11/2022 16:13, D.J. wrote:
>>> On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 23:53:20 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>>> <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-11-05, D.J <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:35:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>>>> > <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Mind you, anything that smells of "wokeness" sets off my alarm bells.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thats terrible that you don't know woke means 'don't be stupid'.
>>>>
>>>> I heard that it stands for
>>>> "Without Originality, Knowledge, or Experience".
>>>
>>> I can see that, if you get your 'information' from Fox entertainment.
>>> --
>>> Jim
>> What is this fix entertainment?
>>
>> One presumes you get yours from the NY times or the washington Post.
>>
>> Bastions of marxist thought
>
> Actually, I don't read nor watch those.
>
> I get mine from a wide set of news organizations. Actual news.
> --
> Jim
I would be curious if you would enumerate a few of those sites.
I'm always looking for more points of view.
I look at google news, rt and sputnik among others...what can you recommend?
I usually give up if I hit a paywall. (I wonder if there's "Usenet News"
somewhere....hmmm.)
Pureheart in Aptos
P.S.: "They" is plural.
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Mon, 07 November 2022 17:02 |
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 15:23:29 -0500, "David W. Hodgins"
<dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 14:53:50 -0500, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 07/11/2022 19:15, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>>> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 12:53:23 -0500, Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-11-02 1:21 p.m., Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> > Leave "they" alone. It's plural.
>>>>
>>>> I take it thou desires to go back to thou and thine
>>>> since "you" and "your" are also plural. :)
>>>
>>> Whoever posted the part labeled as being from Charlie Gibbs, they
>>> (singular)
>>> need a better education on the English language.
>>>
>> Well no, The American language perhaps, but in English, They are plural.
>> They is not singular.
>>
>>
>> I have noticed the plural form of verbs has all but disappeared.
>
> I'm Canadian. I was taught that "they" can be singular when referring to
> an unidentified individual.
Some Texans were apparently taught differently, but I was taught that
"You'all" can be used either signular or plural, depending on context.
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417422 is a reply to message #417419] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 17:07 |
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On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 21:45:02 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
wrote:
> On 2022-11-07, D.J <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 23:31:35 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 06/11/2022 16:13, D.J. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 23:53:20 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>>>> <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>> > On 2022-11-05, D.J <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:35:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>>>> >> <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Mind you, anything that smells of "wokeness" sets off my alarm bells.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thats terrible that you don't know woke means 'don't be stupid'.
>>>> >
>>>> > I heard that it stands for
>>>> > "Without Originality, Knowledge, or Experience".
>>>>
>>>> I can see that, if you get your 'information' from Fox entertainment.
>>>> --
>>>> Jim
>>> What is this fix entertainment?
>>>
>>> One presumes you get yours from the NY times or the washington Post.
>>>
>>> Bastions of marxist thought
>>
>> Actually, I don't read nor watch those.
>>
>> I get mine from a wide set of news organizations. Actual news.
>> --
>> Jim
>
> I would be curious if you would enumerate a few of those sites.
> I'm always looking for more points of view.
>
> I look at google news, rt and sputnik among others...what can you recommend?
> I usually give up if I hit a paywall. (I wonder if there's "Usenet News"
> somewhere....hmmm.)
>
> Pureheart in Aptos
>
> P.S.: "They" is plural.
Lets see, many of commentators on CNN are apologists for trumpie. And
some are not, hard to determine sometimes. I watch MSNBC, BBC America,
local tv channels but they are misquoting politicians that are not far
right.
Mostly I watch Science channel for: 'Strange evidence', 'Mysteries of
the Abandoned' and 'How the Universe vWorks'.
Some on Facebook are okay, and some are raving loonies who claim there
are things in various US documents I know arent there... I've read
them.
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417423 is a reply to message #417419] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 17:20 |
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Originally posted by: greymaus
On 2022-11-07, pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> wrote:
> On 2022-11-07, D.J <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 23:31:35 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 06/11/2022 16:13, D.J. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 23:53:20 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>> I get mine from a wide set of news organizations. Actual news.
>> --
>> Jim
>
> I would be curious if you would enumerate a few of those sites.
> I'm always looking for more points of view.
>
> I look at google news, rt and sputnik among others...what can you recommend?
> I usually give up if I hit a paywall. (I wonder if there's "Usenet News"
> somewhere....hmmm.)
RT is` banned here, as is sputnik (.ie)
>
> Pureheart in Aptos
>
> P.S.: "They" is plural.
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Mon, 07 November 2022 17:24 |
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Originally posted by: greymaus
On 2022-11-07, D.J <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 21:45:02 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
> wrote:
>> On 2022-11-07, D.J <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 23:31:35 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 06/11/2022 16:13, D.J. wrote:
>>>> > On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 23:53:20 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>>>> > <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >> On 2022-11-05, D.J <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:35:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>>>> >>> <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Mind you, anything that smells of "wokeness" sets off my alarm bells.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Thats terrible that you don't know woke means 'don't be stupid'.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I heard that it stands for
>>>> >> "Without Originality, Knowledge, or Experience".
>>>> >
>>>> > I can see that, if you get your 'information' from Fox entertainment.
>>>> > --
>>>> > Jim
>>>> What is this fix entertainment?
>>>>
>>>> One presumes you get yours from the NY times or the washington Post.
>>>>
>>>> Bastions of marxist thought
>>>
>>> Actually, I don't read nor watch those.
>>>
>>> I get mine from a wide set of news organizations. Actual news.
>>> --
>>> Jim
>>
>> I would be curious if you would enumerate a few of those sites.
>> I'm always looking for more points of view.
>>
>> I look at google news, rt and sputnik among others...what can you recommend?
>> I usually give up if I hit a paywall. (I wonder if there's "Usenet News"
>> somewhere....hmmm.)
>>
>> Pureheart in Aptos
>>
>> P.S.: "They" is plural.
>
> Lets see, many of commentators on CNN are apologists for trumpie. And
> some are not, hard to determine sometimes. I watch MSNBC, BBC America,
> local tv channels but they are misquoting politicians that are not far
> right.
>
> Mostly I watch Science channel for: 'Strange evidence', 'Mysteries of
> the Abandoned' and 'How the Universe vWorks'.
>
> Some on Facebook are okay, and some are raving loonies who claim there
Facebook is s***. And should be s*** on. I am a member of several disparate groups, and facebook
is forming groups of the same name. Young people might be fooled that those things are genuine.
> are things in various US documents I know arent there... I've read
> them.
> --
> Jim
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417426 is a reply to message #417422] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 17:55 |
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Originally posted by: pH
On 2022-11-07, D.J <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 21:45:02 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
> wrote:
>> On 2022-11-07, D.J <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 23:31:35 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 06/11/2022 16:13, D.J. wrote:
>>>> > On Sat, 05 Nov 2022 23:53:20 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>>>> > <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >> On 2022-11-05, D.J <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 17:35:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>>>> >>> <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Mind you, anything that smells of "wokeness" sets off my alarm bells.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Thats terrible that you don't know woke means 'don't be stupid'.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I heard that it stands for
>>>> >> "Without Originality, Knowledge, or Experience".
>>>> >
>>>> > I can see that, if you get your 'information' from Fox entertainment.
>>>> > --
>>>> > Jim
>>>> What is this fix entertainment?
>>>>
>>>> One presumes you get yours from the NY times or the washington Post.
>>>>
>>>> Bastions of marxist thought
>>>
>>> Actually, I don't read nor watch those.
>>>
>>> I get mine from a wide set of news organizations. Actual news.
>>> --
>>> Jim
>>
>> I would be curious if you would enumerate a few of those sites.
>> I'm always looking for more points of view.
>>
>> I look at google news, rt and sputnik among others...what can you recommend?
>> I usually give up if I hit a paywall. (I wonder if there's "Usenet News"
>> somewhere....hmmm.)
>>
>> Pureheart in Aptos
>>
>> P.S.: "They" is plural.
>
> Lets see, many of commentators on CNN are apologists for trumpie. And
> some are not, hard to determine sometimes. I watch MSNBC, BBC America,
> local tv channels but they are misquoting politicians that are not far
> right.
>
> Mostly I watch Science channel for: 'Strange evidence', 'Mysteries of
> the Abandoned' and 'How the Universe vWorks'.
>
> Some on Facebook are okay, and some are raving loonies who claim there
> are things in various US documents I know arent there... I've read
> them.
> --
> Jim
Thank-you. I appreciate the feedback.
One of the websites I like to check a couple times a week is "scitechdaily
DOT com".
I come from a scientific background (but I'm really poor at math!) so it is
up my alley.
pH
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Mon, 07 November 2022 19:14 |
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On 2022-11-07, pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> wrote:
> On 2022-11-07, D.J <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>
>> I get mine from a wide set of news organizations. Actual news.
>
> I would be curious if you would enumerate a few of those sites.
> I'm always looking for more points of view.
I still subscribe to the Vancouver Sun, a good old hard-copy newspaper.
I also listen to the radio, another medium almost as old and maligned,
where I get the CBC news. I absorb bits and pieces from various other
places, and leaven it with a good helping of Trevor Noah and James Corden.
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On 2022-11-07, D.J <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 15:23:29 -0500, "David W. Hodgins"
> <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
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>> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 14:53:50 -0500, The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/11/2022 19:15, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 12:53:23 -0500, Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 2022-11-02 1:21 p.m., Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Leave "they" alone. It's plural.
>>>> >
>>>> > I take it thou desires to go back to thou and thine
>>>> > since "you" and "your" are also plural. :)
Let's get the third person settled before worrying about
second person.
>>>> Whoever posted the part labeled as being from Charlie Gibbs,
>>>> they (singular) need a better education on the English language.
Shouldn't that be "they needs a better education"?
>>> Well no, The American language perhaps, but in English, They are plural.
>>> They is not singular.
>>>
>>> I have noticed the plural form of verbs has all but disappeared.
>>
>> I'm Canadian. I was taught that "they" can be singular when referring
>> to an unidentified individual.
I too am Canadian. And we're not arguing about an unidentified
individual - in which case I'm as likely to use "they" as anyone
else here - but one specific person.
> Some Texans were apparently taught differently, but I was taught that
> "You'all" can be used either signular or plural, depending on context.
A Texan once told me that "y'all" is singular, and that the plural is
"all y'all".
One day I was on a support call to a customer in Dallas. She said,
"We're getting a funny message and I was wondering if it was from
y'all's system." I'd never heard it used in the possessive before.
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/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417432 is a reply to message #417409] |
Mon, 07 November 2022 20:55 |
Bill Findlay
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On 7 Nov 2022, The Natural Philosopher wrote
(in article <tkbnoe$3lcd4$6@dont-email.me>):
> On 07/11/2022 19:15, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 12:53:23 -0500, Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-11-02 1:21 p.m., Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> Leave "they" alone. It's plural.
>>>
>>> I take it thou desires to go back to thou and thine
>>> since "you" and "your" are also plural. :)
>>
>> Whoever posted the part labeled as being from Charlie Gibbs, they
>> (singular)
>> need a better education on the English language.
> Well no, The American language perhaps, but in English, They are plural.
> They is not singular.
So you repeatedly and wrongly claim.
The following is a small selection of authors who knew better.
None of them were writing in "the American language".
> Chaucer
> Shakespeare
> Daniel Defoe
> Jane Austen
> Walter Scott
> Charles Dickens
> Emily Brontë
> Anthony Trollope
> Thomas Hardy
> Winston Churchill
> Lewis Carroll
> C.S. Lewis
> George Orwell
> H.G. Wells
> W.H. Auden
> Iain Banks
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Bill Findlay
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417444 is a reply to message #417420] |
Tue, 08 November 2022 05:43 |
The Natural Philosoph
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On 07/11/2022 22:00, D.J. wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 20:15:28 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Then they are not true conservatives, any more than the Democrats are
>> true socialists.
>
> You actually made sense that time. Scary.
> --
> Jim
Well in these post 1984 times of doublethink, where the Ministry of Love
preaches hatred, its important to distinguish between what is and what
people call it.
RINOs, CINOs, DINOs, LINOs, are all the rage.
Only 'Libertarian' still seems to be almost accurately applied.
As someone who actually cares about my fellow man, my conclusion is that
small 'c' conservatism actually enables people, rather than government,
to decide what is better for them, more efficiently.
--
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the
urge to rule it.”
– H. L. Mencken
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417445 is a reply to message #417421] |
Tue, 08 November 2022 05:43 |
The Natural Philosoph
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On 07/11/2022 22:02, D.J. wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 15:23:29 -0500, "David W. Hodgins"
> <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 14:53:50 -0500, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/11/2022 19:15, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 12:53:23 -0500, Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 2022-11-02 1:21 p.m., Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> >> Leave "they" alone. It's plural.
>>>> >
>>>> > I take it thou desires to go back to thou and thine
>>>> > since "you" and "your" are also plural. :)
>>>>
>>>> Whoever posted the part labeled as being from Charlie Gibbs, they
>>>> (singular)
>>>> need a better education on the English language.
>>>>
>>> Well no, The American language perhaps, but in English, They are plural.
>>> They is not singular.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have noticed the plural form of verbs has all but disappeared.
>>
>> I'm Canadian. I was taught that "they" can be singular when referring to
>> an unidentified individual.
>
> Some Texans were apparently taught differently, but I was taught that
> "You'all" can be used either signular or plural, depending on context.
> --
> Jim
Texan aint English.
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In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act.
- George Orwell
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| Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks [message #417446 is a reply to message #417444] |
Tue, 08 November 2022 09:55 |
D.J.
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On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 10:43:18 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 07/11/2022 22:00, D.J. wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 20:15:28 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Then they are not true conservatives, any more than the Democrats are
>>> true socialists.
>>
>> You actually made sense that time. Scary.
>> --
>> Jim
>
>
> Well in these post 1984 times of doublethink, where the Ministry of Love
> preaches hatred, its important to distinguish between what is and what
> people call it.
> RINOs, CINOs, DINOs, LINOs, are all the rage.
>
> Only 'Libertarian' still seems to be almost accurately applied.
> As someone who actually cares about my fellow man, my conclusion is that
> small 'c' conservatism actually enables people, rather than government,
> to decide what is better for them, more efficiently.
Here is my problem, or rather their problem, with Libertarianism.
Some years about, about 2000, I asked online, in a newsgroup, what
they wanted to do, their platform.
So the guy said people should only have to pay for the sidewalks,
streets, street lights, etc. they use. That doesn't sund bad, until
you realize that everyone would have to be tracked in their shoes,
cars, etc. for which streets and sidewalks they use. Cost likely in
the billions with many computers tracking them. Probably a big buget
hole of deepness.
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Jim
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