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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411472 is a reply to message #411463] Fri, 01 October 2021 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Jakob Bohm

On 2021-10-01 20:27, Thomas Koenig wrote:
> Questor <usenet@only.tnx> schrieb:
>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:44:06 -0000 (UTC), Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>> In sci.crypt 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
>>>> I've been lurking Usenet for decades and I never considered it dead.
>>>> It's obscure because most people are mesmerized by social media, reddit,
>>>> and the like.
>>>
>>> It is also obscure because:
>>>
>>> 1) many (most?) ISP's began dropping NNTP feeds as part of their
>>> provided package of features when one purchased an account. If
>>> one's ISP did not provide NNTP, and the person signing up did not
>>> already know of Usenet and also know how to buy separate access,
>>> then there was limited to no discovery on the part of new people
>>> on the 'net' of Usenet
>>
>> As I mentioned in another forum, blame also needs to be placed on former New
>> York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, who threatened to prosecute ISPs over
>> alleged child pornography in binary newsgoups and gave the major ISPs an excuse
>> to shut down their NNTP servers entirely back in the mid-aughts.
>
> I thought the correct description was "the naughties"?
>

I was fortunate in the 1990s to early 2000s to use a dial up ISP that
had a private NNTP hierarchy as their main support channel (it grew out
of a local distributor of Modem hardware, and their initial setup was a
huge modem bank from the rack-mounted variant of the modems that I had
purchased directly). Before that, they had run their own support BBS.

Later they were bought out by incompetent foreign operators and the
dedicated newsgroups faded away. Much later they sold all the e-mail
accounts (which I paid for until the price was dropped to 0) to a local
search portal's e-mail service. I'm now stuck with a DSL line that
keeps changing my home IP too often, while our office connections are
with more expensive providers, that keep at least some semblance of
stable IP connectivity for our company servers.

Which means company e-mail runs on our own and rented servers, while
personal e-mail is hosted at a dedicated provider that also sells web
hosting (to those that need it). For NNTP, I pay for a personal account
with a global usenet host, while home access uses a free provider
that doesn't allow access from work networks.


Enjoy

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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411473 is a reply to message #411471] Fri, 01 October 2021 17:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Branimir Maksimovic

On 2021-10-01, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> generally an "@isp-domain.com" including the negatives related to
> switching ISP's or "host it yourself".
Sure, that is why you scared to live you real email address :P

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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411474 is a reply to message #411417] Fri, 01 October 2021 17:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: lawrenabae

Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:44:05 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
> I'm reading and posting for 25 years now, which is more than half of my
> life (is that what you call "Half Life? ;-).

My first Usenet post was in 1985 — before the Great Renaming.

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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411475 is a reply to message #411472] Fri, 01 October 2021 17:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Branimir Maksimovic

On 2021-10-01, Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> wrote:
> hosting (to those that need it). For NNTP, I pay for a personal account
> with a global usenet host, while home access uses a free provider
> that doesn't allow access from work networks.
>

me as well, usenet server 5$ for lifetime :P
>
> Enjoy
>
> Jakob


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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411476 is a reply to message #411470] Fri, 01 October 2021 18:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2021-10-01, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On 30 Sep 2021 23:36:02 GMT
> Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:25:46 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>
>>> I'm reading and posting for 25 years now, which is more than half of my
>>> life (is that what you call "Half Life? ;-).
>>
>> 40 years for me, and that's more than half of mine!
>
> Ah the joys of being in the right place at the right time, I first
> heard about USENET and the UUCP network in the mid 1980s but failed
> (despite repeated attempts) to persuade my employer that they needed a feed
> from UKC so I didn't get connected until I got a Demon account in 1992 -
> eek that's nearly thirty years ago! Where's my time fly swatter ?

Over there. The flies are on that arrow beside the banana.

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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411477 is a reply to message #411431] Fri, 01 October 2021 20:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Chris M. Thomasson

On 9/30/2021 1:59 PM, 711 Spooky Mart wrote:
> On 9/30/21 3:16 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 9/30/2021 11:12 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:58:04 -0500
>>> 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's as if the gremlin knows a problem has been solved and so it creates
>>>> two new ones.
>>>
>>> <raises lightning rod>
>>>
>>>     Gremlins evolve like everything else.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Have you ever fed them past midnight? Ouch. ;^)
>
> Just be sure you don't feed *me* after midnight!
>
> Unless it's pizza, that's ok.
>

:^D Indeed! lol.
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411483 is a reply to message #411462] Fri, 01 October 2021 22:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Michael Trew

On 10/1/2021 1:56 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Fri, 01 Oct 2021 13:47:19 -0400) it happened Andreas Kohlbach
> <ank@spamfence.net> wrote in<874ka0zlg8.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>:
>
>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2021 06:30:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>
>>> OK then, I think I started in 1998 with win98 and trumpet winsock and
>>> Free Agent.
>>
>> Must have started 1996, using the Netscape Communicator Suit first under
>> Windows, then Forte Agent. Since 1997 I use Linux but until around 1998 I
>> was still booting Windows to check the usenet. I think my first Linux
>> newsreader was slrn. Around 2002 I switched to Gnus which I still use
>> today.
>
> Actually I think it was win3.1 with trumpet winsock and Free Agent for me
> so on Usenet a bit earlier than 1998.
> Been in Linux since 1998 and never went back to windows,
> Had to use it and program in it for my work at times though.

Yes, no need for Winsock after Windows 3.1 .. I have a Gateway 2000
machine with Windows 3.11 from 1994 or so, still hooked up on my desk
here. It has an internal modem, and I occasionally boot it up and toy
around with it for fun. There aren't many websites that work with it,
but text Usenet and basic text e-mail would still work fine.
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411488 is a reply to message #411475] Sat, 02 October 2021 02:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: ant

In alt.folklore.computers Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> wrote:
> On 2021-10-01, Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> wrote:
>> hosting (to those that need it). For NNTP, I pay for a personal account
>> with a global usenet host, while home access uses a free provider
>> that doesn't allow access from work networks.
>>

> me as well, usenet server 5$ for lifetime :P

Which server is that? Do they still offer it and has binaries? ;)

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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411489 is a reply to message #411488] Sat, 02 October 2021 07:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Branimir Maksimovic

On 2021-10-02, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> In alt.folklore.computers Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> wrote:
>> On 2021-10-01, Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> hosting (to those that need it). For NNTP, I pay for a personal account
>>> with a global usenet host, while home access uses a free provider
>>> that doesn't allow access from work networks.
>>>
>
>> me as well, usenet server 5$ for lifetime :P
>
> Which server is that? Do they still offer it and has binaries? ;)
>
https://usenet-news.net
10GB lifetime for only 5$.
If you need binaries you pay more, of course :p

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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411490 is a reply to message #411434] Sat, 02 October 2021 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Michael Trew

On 9/30/2021 7:36 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:25:46 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:44:05 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>
>>> On 9/29/2021 10:44 AM, Rich wrote:
>>>> Now we have a problem that few folks younger than X even know of
>>>> Usenet, or if they do, they only know if it as "that place where one
>>>> downloads binaries via NZB files". And with #1 (few ISP's carrying it
>>>> anymore) it is hard to gain new folks joining up to discuss anything.
>>>
>>> Ah, but there must be a few stand-outs.. I've been lurking in various
>>> text newsgroups for years, and posting in a few as well. I'm 26 years
>>> old, for the record.. :)
>>
>> I'm reading and posting for 25 years now, which is more than half of my
>> life (is that what you call "Half Life? ;-).
>
> 40 years for me, and that's more than half of mine!

I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
mean age, but who's been here the longest.
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411493 is a reply to message #411490] Sat, 02 October 2021 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Branimir Maksimovic

On 2021-10-02, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>
> I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
> mean age, but who's been here the longest.
i am
on "usenet since 1996 :P
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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411494 is a reply to message #411365] Sat, 02 October 2021 11:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 09:04:16 -0500, 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart>
wrote:
> I've heard many times that Usenet is dead. I never stopped using Usenet.
> I've been lurking Usenet for decades and I never considered it dead.
> It's obscure because most people are mesmerized by social media, reddit,
> and the like. Let the proles and zombies have their addictive behavior
> modeling distractions. As for me and my net, we will serve the ASCII.

I first got onto Usenet about fall of 1991, via a feed on a
Professor's Windows ms-dos 386 computer withl imited groups.

The university computer staff on main campus had told us 'newsgroups
are impossible at this time'.

So, we went about proving they were wrong.

My branch campus got Usenet in 1992. I vaguely remember my first posts
happening to here and a few other places. Unfortunately, my posts i
have are on floppy, and no drive. I have some backups on external usb
drives, and some on CDs, from 2000 up through today.

When I tried to go back on Google groups, they stopped at about 2003.
With hints there were some earlier, but I couldn't find them.

Anyway, I got onto dial-up, then a cable modem a few years after that.
Moved a few times, so my email address has changed about 5 to 8 times.
I'm not sure just how many.
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411495 is a reply to message #411490] Sat, 02 October 2021 12:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager

On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 10:49:45 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:

> On 9/30/2021 7:36 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:25:46 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:44:05 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 9/29/2021 10:44 AM, Rich wrote:
>>>> > Now we have a problem that few folks younger than X even know of
>>>> > Usenet, or if they do, they only know if it as "that place where one
>>>> > downloads binaries via NZB files". And with #1 (few ISP's carrying
>>>> > it anymore) it is hard to gain new folks joining up to discuss
>>>> > anything.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, but there must be a few stand-outs.. I've been lurking in various
>>>> text newsgroups for years, and posting in a few as well. I'm 26
>>>> years old, for the record.. :)
>>>
>>> I'm reading and posting for 25 years now, which is more than half of
>>> my life (is that what you call "Half Life? ;-).
>>
>> 40 years for me, and that's more than half of mine!
>
> I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
> mean age, but who's been here the longest.

My 40 years is when we started a feed to the UK from the USA. Slow
initially, but we ended up being a major provider for a while.

A few years later I set up a news server on our VAX/VMS cluster (ANU News
anyone?) for those who didn't use UNIX.



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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411496 is a reply to message #411469] Sat, 02 October 2021 12:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: 711 Spooky Mart

On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> I think that my ISP did sell us to some local mail provider, certainly
> not google. I suffer hiccups.
>
> Now, I realize that I should be with an independent mail provider,
> because it makes me impossible to migrate ISP. Too many people know my
> address, too many services I registered or subscribed, too big a
> nuisance to change. Back then, I did not imagine this. Although I think
> that back then independent mail providers were more expensive or didn't
> offer similar service to what my ISP offered.

I ran into problems like this once. So I registered my own domains and
run my own mail server so I know I'll never be left hanging by a
provider. It is the safest way to maintain continuity especially with a
personal brand or business presence. Since this hierarchy is beginning
to look like a retirement community I want to offer some advice to our
future caretakers.

All youngsters and nascent hackers:

1. Register a domain name and never lose it.

2. Pay for at least 5 years in advance and put it on your calendar to
check yearly.

3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.

4. Get a cheap backup VPS, super encrypt and backup your stuff to it. Do
not use free cloud services for anything important. Pay the $20-30 per
year for the VPS ... it's worth it.

5. Every geek should have at least one VPS playground. Several is better
for separation of concerns and robustness. Running a couple physical
servers off your home or business connection is equally advised. Heck
even a few raspberry pi cards will do for most private stuff.

6. Run your own Usenet feed on one of your VPS machines and invite me.

This advice comes from me learning the hard way: always encrypt and
backup your stuff onto an ecosystem that you control, and maintain your
presence on infrastructure that you control, or else, you will likely
get clobbered when you least expect it.

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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411497 is a reply to message #411455] Sat, 02 October 2021 12:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Mainlander

On 2021-10-01, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 14:55:40 -0000 (UTC)
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>> And, if those ISP's were running NNTP servers *and* carrying the
>> alt.binaries hierarchy, the huge size of alt.binaries made the NNTP
>> server a huge cost burden for the amount of storage necessary for even
>> a few days of retention on alt.binaries.
>
> Not just storage (which is cheap) but also bandwidth lwhich after
> all was (and is) their main product and at the time very expensive. Losing
> vast quantities of bandwidth to a full USENET feed (and often that was the
> option for USENET peering take it all or take none of it) at a time when WWW
> was often claimed to stand for World Wide Wait was not good business.
>
>> They were not likely to lose anything but pocket change from
>> the 2% of users who might complain or go elsewhere.
>
> Not even that when nobody is providing an NNTP service as part of
> the package because even if you have to go elsewhere for USENET you still
> need the ISP for connectivity.
>
> but USENET was just the first service to go, most ISPs these days
> provide connectivity, maybe static IPs, maybe IPv6 and (reluctantly) an
> outgoing SMTP relay, but you'll have to ask about it and they probably
> wouldn't bother if they didn't need it for themselves. You want email, or
> web hosting or USENET or an ftp archive or ... "Go find it yourself start at
> Google they've got everything you need".
>

news.individual.net


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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411498 is a reply to message #411488] Sat, 02 October 2021 12:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Mainlander

On 2021-10-02, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> In alt.folklore.computers Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> wrote:
>> On 2021-10-01, Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> hosting (to those that need it). For NNTP, I pay for a personal account
>>> with a global usenet host, while home access uses a free provider
>>> that doesn't allow access from work networks.
>>>
>
>> me as well, usenet server 5$ for lifetime :P
>
> Which server is that? Do they still offer it and has binaries? ;)
>

binaries are a PITA. No necessary, specially when you are 77+ :)


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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411499 is a reply to message #411493] Sat, 02 October 2021 12:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Mainlander

On 2021-10-02, Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> wrote:
> On 2021-10-02, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
>> mean age, but who's been here the longest.
> i am
> on "usenet since 1996 :P

I got onto the Internet using an Amiga, and a cheap cheap dialling
method, which caused a major phone bill when it failed. Must be 1994+.


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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411502 is a reply to message #411493] Sat, 02 October 2021 12:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 15:13:14 GMT, Branimir Maksimovic
<branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> wrote:

> On 2021-10-02, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
>> mean age, but who's been here the longest.
> i am
> on "usenet since 1996 :P

Earliest post of mine that I can find is 1997. Was on Compuserve for
a long time before that.
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411503 is a reply to message #411497] Sat, 02 October 2021 13:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2 Oct 2021 16:26:05 GMT
Mainlander <Mainlander@katamail.com> wrote:

> On 2021-10-01, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 14:55:40 -0000 (UTC)

>> themselves. You want email, or web hosting or USENET or an ftp archive
>> or ... "Go find it yourself start at Google they've got everything you
>> need".
>>
>
> news.individual.net

Sure or Eternal September or Aoie or ... but for sure not your ISP
who don't care where you go for the many services they don't provide.

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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411504 is a reply to message #411495] Sat, 02 October 2021 13:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2 Oct 2021 16:07:10 GMT
Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:

> My 40 years is when we started a feed to the UK from the USA. Slow
> initially, but we ended up being a major provider for a while.

UKC I presume.

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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411505 is a reply to message #411496] Sat, 02 October 2021 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 11:12:51 -0500
711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart> wrote:

> Since this hierarchy is beginning to look like a retirement community

We are sometimes known as the auld farts of computing - although
sadly several of the auldest farts are no longer with us and are much
missed, but we're not all retired some of us are still active in the biz.

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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411506 is a reply to message #411490] Sat, 02 October 2021 13:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> writes:
> I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
> mean age, but who's been here the longest.

archived usenet (including a.f.c.) from 1993
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/93.html

after leaving IBM and getting full (satellite) usenet feed from pagesat
http://www.art.net/lile/pagesat/netnews.html
in return for doing satellite modem drivers and writing boardwatch (BBS)
magazine article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boardwatch

before that, vmshare back to aug1976 ... previous post (google archive)
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.folklore.computers/c/VM5_IvS R6gw/m/PMNWpqmaAwAJ

and IBM internal network (larger than arpanet/internet from just about
beginning until sometime mid/late 80s).

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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411507 is a reply to message #411496] Sat, 02 October 2021 14:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Jan Panteltje

On a sunny day (Sat, 2 Oct 2021 11:12:51 -0500) it happened 711 Spooky Mart
<711@spooky.mart> wrote in <sja0cc$1leb$1@gioia.aioe.org>:

> On 10/1/21 2:32 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> I think that my ISP did sell us to some local mail provider, certainly
>> not google. I suffer hiccups.
>>
>> Now, I realize that I should be with an independent mail provider,
>> because it makes me impossible to migrate ISP. Too many people know my
>> address, too many services I registered or subscribed, too big a
>> nuisance to change. Back then, I did not imagine this. Although I think
>> that back then independent mail providers were more expensive or didn't
>> offer similar service to what my ISP offered.
>
> I ran into problems like this once. So I registered my own domains and
> run my own mail server so I know I'll never be left hanging by a
> provider. It is the safest way to maintain continuity especially with a
> personal brand or business presence. Since this hierarchy is beginning
> to look like a retirement community I want to offer some advice to our
> future caretakers.
>
> All youngsters and nascent hackers:
>
> 1. Register a domain name and never lose it.
>
> 2. Pay for at least 5 years in advance and put it on your calendar to
> check yearly.
>
> 3. Set up your emails on your own domain so you won't ever lose them.
>
> 4. Get a cheap backup VPS, super encrypt and backup your stuff to it. Do
> not use free cloud services for anything important. Pay the $20-30 per
> year for the VPS ... it's worth it.
>
> 5. Every geek should have at least one VPS playground. Several is better
> for separation of concerns and robustness. Running a couple physical
> servers off your home or business connection is equally advised. Heck
> even a few raspberry pi cards will do for most private stuff.
>
> 6. Run your own Usenet feed on one of your VPS machines and invite me.
>
> This advice comes from me learning the hard way: always encrypt and
> backup your stuff onto an ecosystem that you control, and maintain your
> presence on infrastructure that you control, or else, you will likely
> get clobbered when you least expect it.

I have now my website and domain registered by godaddy.
Before that I was running my own serverS at home, ftp, web, but there was an ever increasing number of attacks
from all over the world, many bots trying to get in via ssh, so maintaining it and checking the logs
became a lot of not very interesting work, iptables has 4430 or so entries now... some whole IP ranges..
Now I also have unlimited email addresses with godaddy, popmail, so good old
fetchmail and good old pine work great.
But it cost money of course.
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411509 is a reply to message #411506] Sat, 02 October 2021 14:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Alan Ralph

On 2021-10-02 at 6:53:12 pm BST, "Anne & Lynn Wheeler" <lynn@garlic.com>
wrote:

> Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> writes:
>> I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
>> mean age, but who's been here the longest.
>
> after leaving IBM and getting full (satellite) usenet feed from pagesat
> <http://www.art.net/lile/pagesat/netnews.html>
> in return for doing satellite modem drivers and writing boardwatch (BBS)
> magazine article.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boardwatch>

I was a subscriber to Boardwatch for many years back in the 1990s, I still
remember the (in)famous 'Billgatus of Borg' cover:
< https://searchengineland.com/figz/wp-content/seloads/2010/11 /billgatus.png>
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411510 is a reply to message #411504] Sat, 02 October 2021 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager

On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:06:02 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> On 2 Oct 2021 16:07:10 GMT Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> My 40 years is when we started a feed to the UK from the USA. Slow
>> initially, but we ended up being a major provider for a while.
>
> UKC I presume.

Indeed! Your son was there, I think you said.




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On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:32:41 GMT
Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Before that I was running my own serverS at home, ftp, web, but there

I run web, incoming email, ssh and VPN servers at home all in
separate FreeBSD jails - with a gigabit down and 100 megabit up why not.

> was an ever increasing number of attacks from all over the world, many
> bots trying to get in via ssh, so maintaining it and checking the logs

The ssh attacks I ignore, sshd is set up to only accept keys and I
keep those safe, likewise the VPN.

The incoming mail server does get attempts to use it as a relay but
it only accepts mail for delivery not relay so they don't get far.

The web attacks I ignore (well occasionally I look at the logs and
giggle a bit) but then my web server serves only static pages from a
read-only mount and CGI support is turned off not that there are any
script to handle POST, PUT or DEL it's GET only.

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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411513 is a reply to message #411502] Sat, 02 October 2021 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Chris M. Thomasson

On 10/2/2021 9:49 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 15:13:14 GMT, Branimir Maksimovic
> <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-10-02, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
>>> mean age, but who's been here the longest.
>> i am
>> on "usenet since 1996 :P
>
> Earliest post of mine that I can find is 1997. Was on Compuserve for
> a long time before that.
>

My first post was way back on Compuserve around 1994 iirc.
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411515 is a reply to message #411510] Sat, 02 October 2021 17:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2 Oct 2021 19:55:34 GMT
Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:

> On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:06:02 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
>> On 2 Oct 2021 16:07:10 GMT Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
>>
>>> My 40 years is when we started a feed to the UK from the USA. Slow
>>> initially, but we ended up being a major provider for a while.
>>
>> UKC I presume.
>
> Indeed! Your son was there, I think you said.

No you must be thinking of someone else. In the mid 1980s I was
trying to persuade my employer at the time to sign up for a slot to connect
via UKC - it would have been 15 minutes at dark o'clock if I'd succeeded.

I was an undergrad at Cambridge when UUCP was getting started so
missed out on all the fun then. The closest I got to global networking in
those days was watching a fellow student (who did some very questionable
work on copy protection as a profitable sideline) using the EPSS[1]
terminal to hop from system to system in various places using credentials
gleaned from somewhere[2] until he gleefully reached a login screen claiming
to be at the Pentagon and said he was stuck there (thankfully!).

[1] Prototype X25 network.
[2] I have no idea where or how.

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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411516 is a reply to message #411494] Sat, 02 October 2021 18:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Thomas Koenig

D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> schrieb:
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 09:04:16 -0500, 711 Spooky Mart <711@spooky.mart>
> wrote:
>> I've heard many times that Usenet is dead. I never stopped using Usenet.
>> I've been lurking Usenet for decades and I never considered it dead.
>> It's obscure because most people are mesmerized by social media, reddit,
>> and the like. Let the proles and zombies have their addictive behavior
>> modeling distractions. As for me and my net, we will serve the ASCII.
>
> I first got onto Usenet about fall of 1991, via a feed on a
> Professor's Windows ms-dos 386 computer withl imited groups.

Just checked a few of my old posts. One of the firste posts I
find is from 1992 (with a different e-mail at the time), but
I think I started somewhat earlier.

I had access to the sf-lovers mailing previously for a time,
which was a a one-way gateway to Usenet when you sent articles
and a partial digest you got back (you could never be sure if your
own articles would be deemed worthy of inclusion).
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Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> writes:

> On 9/30/2021 7:36 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:25:46 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:44:05 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 9/29/2021 10:44 AM, Rich wrote:
>>>> > Now we have a problem that few folks younger than X even know of
>>>> > Usenet, or if they do, they only know if it as "that place where one
>>>> > downloads binaries via NZB files". And with #1 (few ISP's carrying it
>>>> > anymore) it is hard to gain new folks joining up to discuss anything.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, but there must be a few stand-outs.. I've been lurking in various
>>>> text newsgroups for years, and posting in a few as well. I'm 26 years
>>>> old, for the record.. :)
>>>
>>> I'm reading and posting for 25 years now, which is more than half of my
>>> life (is that what you call "Half Life? ;-).
>>
>> 40 years for me, and that's more than half of mine!
>
> I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
> mean age, but who's been here the longest.

Everyone I've seen so far has been in the early to mid 1990s.

I began looking at Usenet news around 1987 or 1988, though I did not
participate much until 1990 or so. Started with rn on an Ultrix VAX 3600, then
graduated to Gnews on an Ultrix VAX 2200 on (under) my desk. Eventually I
started reading news on the 3600 again, now via Xterm from the Mac IIci on my
desk.

Got a Netcom account after getting laid off from Stanford in 1991, so they were
my first commercial ISP. When Netcom imploded early this century, got an
account at Panix, and have been here for roughly 2 decades. Both had full news
feeds, so I've been happy every since.

--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
--Galen
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411518 is a reply to message #411513] Sat, 02 October 2021 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 13:34:03 -0700, "Chris M. Thomasson"
<chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/2/2021 9:49 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 15:13:14 GMT, Branimir Maksimovic
>> <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-10-02, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
>>>> mean age, but who's been here the longest.
>>> i am
>>> on "usenet since 1996 :P
>>
>> Earliest post of mine that I can find is 1997. Was on Compuserve for
>> a long time before that.
>>
>
> My first post was way back on Compuserve around 1994 iirc.

Mine would have been some time in the early '80s. I still have my
Smartmodem 300--if the 1200 had existed at the time I would have gone
with that so that puts me somewhere around 1981.
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411520 is a reply to message #411502] Sat, 02 October 2021 21:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Branimir Maksimovic

On 2021-10-02, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 15:13:14 GMT, Branimir Maksimovic
> <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-10-02, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
>>> mean age, but who's been here the longest.
>> i am
>> on "usenet since 1996 :P
>
> Earliest post of mine that I can find is 1997. Was on Compuserve for
> a long time before that.
I was sysadmin in blood transfusion institute setting up mail and
news with ///uuc/p n 'unix worstation :P


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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411521 is a reply to message #411518] Sat, 02 October 2021 21:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Branimir Maksimovic

On 2021-10-03, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 13:34:03 -0700, "Chris M. Thomasson"
> <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/2/2021 9:49 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 15:13:14 GMT, Branimir Maksimovic
>>> <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-10-02, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
>>>> > mean age, but who's been here the longest.
>>>> i am on "usenet since 1996 :P
>>>
>>> Earliest post of mine that I can find is 1997. Was on Compuserve for a
>>> long time before that.
>>>
>>
>> My first post was way back on Compuserve around 1994 iirc.
>
> Mine would have been some time in the early '80s. I still have my Smartmodem
> 300--if the 1200 had existed at the time I would have gone with that so that
> puts me somewhere around 1981.
Bravo, you are the *oldest* then in internet !


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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411522 is a reply to message #411502] Sat, 02 October 2021 22:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Michael Trew

On 10/2/2021 12:49 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 15:13:14 GMT, Branimir Maksimovic
> <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-10-02, Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
>>> mean age, but who's been here the longest.
>> i am
>> on "usenet since 1996 :P
>
> Earliest post of mine that I can find is 1997. Was on Compuserve for
> a long time before that.

My uncle, I think, still has his numeric CompuServe e-mail address from
back when.
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411523 is a reply to message #411494] Sun, 03 October 2021 00:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: 711 Spooky Mart

On 10/2/21 10:57 AM, D.J. wrote:

> The university computer staff on main campus had told us 'newsgroups
> are impossible at this time'.
>
> So, we went about proving they were wrong.

Never tell a geek what is possible or allowable. That invites mayhem. ;)

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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411524 is a reply to message #411513] Sun, 03 October 2021 00:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: 711 Spooky Mart

On 10/2/21 3:34 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

> My first post was way back on Compuserve around 1994 iirc.

All the historical Compuserve data would probably be very valuable on
the data market. There's likely personal and business secrets to be
gleaned that would still be useful intelligence today. I wonder who
might have that data in their possession.

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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411525 is a reply to message #411509] Sun, 03 October 2021 00:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: 711 Spooky Mart

On 10/2/21 1:58 PM, Alan Ralph wrote:

[...]

> I was a subscriber to Boardwatch for many years back in the 1990s, I still
> remember the (in)famous 'Billgatus of Borg' cover:
> < https://searchengineland.com/figz/wp-content/seloads/2010/11 /billgatus.png>

And right on cue, Billgatus of Borg has succeeded with Event 201 and
COVID-1984. Hundreds of millions of former humans have been assimilated.
Masking rituals, useless shots of experimental, contaminated placebo
serum, vaccine passports and contact tracing are technologies to keep
drones obedient to the Borg collective, at least in the hive mind of
Billgatus and Fauccitus. The old magazine cover is prophetic!

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Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411526 is a reply to message #411490] Sun, 03 October 2021 00:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: songbird

Michael Trew wrote:
> On 9/30/2021 7:36 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:25:46 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 01:44:05 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 9/29/2021 10:44 AM, Rich wrote:
>>>> > Now we have a problem that few folks younger than X even know of
>>>> > Usenet, or if they do, they only know if it as "that place where one
>>>> > downloads binaries via NZB files". And with #1 (few ISP's carrying it
>>>> > anymore) it is hard to gain new folks joining up to discuss anything.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, but there must be a few stand-outs.. I've been lurking in various
>>>> text newsgroups for years, and posting in a few as well. I'm 26 years
>>>> old, for the record.. :)
>>>
>>> I'm reading and posting for 25 years now, which is more than half of my
>>> life (is that what you call "Half Life? ;-).
>>
>> 40 years for me, and that's more than half of mine!
>
> I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I don't
> mean age, but who's been here the longest.

i have no idea when my first post to this newsgroup happened and
i don't know exactly when my first usenet post happened, but it was
probably sometime between the fall of 1981 and 1986. i know i was
reading and writing to some email lists back then too. for a while
i could only read usenet posts but could not write back and then
someone made it work that the local system would propagate posts.

i wrote some good stuff back then, i was full of much more BS
than i am now. :)

my real early posts i had saved some of them but that disk
crashed and i never recovered all of it and eventually i even
erased my backups of the bits of the crashed disk so i could
stop thinking about messing with it more. i just did not want
all that old e-mails to dredge through and also all my old
usenet posts. the things that i missed the most though were
a few poems i wrote. they were good. now lost in the bits
of time unless someone finds a full usenet archive that i can
actually search without tearing what is little left of my
hair out.


songbird
Re: SUSE Reviving Usenet [message #411527 is a reply to message #411512] Sun, 03 October 2021 00:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: 711 Spooky Mart

On 10/2/21 2:41 PM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:32:41 GMT
> Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Before that I was running my own serverS at home, ftp, web, but there
>
> I run web, incoming email, ssh and VPN servers at home all in
> separate FreeBSD jails - with a gigabit down and 100 megabit up why not.

I agree with your true "can do" attitude. Perhaps this sentiment is
appropos: 'I do it because I can. That is "can do so, so do can"
attitude.' You are a digital martial artist in the art of "can do so, i do."

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Originally posted by: Bob Eager

On Sun, 03 Oct 2021 01:50:18 +0000, Branimir Maksimovic wrote:

> On 2021-10-03, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 13:34:03 -0700, "Chris M. Thomasson"
>> <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/2/2021 9:49 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 02 Oct 2021 15:13:14 GMT, Branimir Maksimovic
>>>> <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 2021-10-02, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'm quite curious who the oldest poster is on this newsgroup.. I
>>>> >> don't mean age, but who's been here the longest.
>>>> > i am on "usenet since 1996 :P
>>>>
>>>> Earliest post of mine that I can find is 1997. Was on Compuserve for
>>>> a long time before that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> My first post was way back on Compuserve around 1994 iirc.
>>
>> Mine would have been some time in the early '80s. I still have my
>> Smartmodem 300--if the 1200 had existed at the time I would have gone
>> with that so that puts me somewhere around 1981.
> Bravo, you are the *oldest* then in internet !

1981 for me too. I was able to find a very early post, but these days it
seems impossible to get Google to search for me.



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