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Re: Obit - Sir Clive Sinclair, Computing Pioneer [message #411260 is a reply to message #411259] Sat, 25 September 2021 09:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Branimir Maksimovic

On 2021-09-25, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>
> Yes, when I read a message, if if see I need a little bit context, I'll
> read the short quotation above. I'll never read the long message bellow
> and I'll consider the message as useless.
>
Then, snipping is most important?

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Re: Obit - Sir Clive Sinclair, Computing Pioneer [message #411263 is a reply to message #411260] Sat, 25 September 2021 10:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ahem A Rivet's Shot is currently offline  Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:55:07 GMT
Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> wrote:

> Then, snipping is most important?

Indeed, there is some art in retaining the minimum useful context.
Once upon a time it was common for USENET servers to reject posts that had
a poor ratio of new material to quoted material. Of course in those days
bandwidth[1] and storage were much more expensive - but human attention span
hasn't increased in line with those things so it is still useful to be
brief.

[1] In the early days of USENET many leaf sites had a 15 minute daily slot
to exchange data over a modem line using UUCP - all email, USENET and file
transfer (very unpopular with admins) traffic had to fit in that slot.

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Re: Obit - Sir Clive Sinclair, Computing Pioneer [message #411264 is a reply to message #411217] Sat, 25 September 2021 11:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 24 Sep 2021 21:05:57 GMT, "Jeff Gaines"
<jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 24/09/2021 in message
> <20210924190832.0e313ded01553756081c757e@eircom.net> Ahem A Rivet's Shot
> wrote:
>
>> At work (the environment Outlook was designed for) top posting
>> above a full quote is exactly the right thing to do.
>
> That's email, not Usenet posts. When you had to have some technical
> knowledge to use a computer nobody top posted - email or Usenet - in fact
> you would get chucked off mailing lists for top posting. It's only since
> the hoi polloi started using email that top posting has been prevalent.
>
> Some languages read left to right, some right to left, but they are all
> read top to bottom.

We had outlook at my last job, we all bottom posted. My boss, and the
head boss, preferred it that way.
Re: Obit - Sir Clive Sinclair, Computing Pioneer [message #411265 is a reply to message #411205] Sat, 25 September 2021 12:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: gareth evans

Top and also bottom posting have always both been conventions on Usenet,
and if you encounter a pedant who is up his own fundamentum, then
post both at the top and also at the bottom, as this post, which
should make everybody happy.

On 24/09/2021 13:40, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>
> Please adopt usenet convention and post your reply text at the bottom, there's a good chap. And some judicious snipping would help too. (Yup I didn't do it last time, mea culpa).
>

Top and also bottom posting have always both been conventions on Usenet,
and if you encounter a pedant who is up his own fundamentum, then
post both at the top and also at the bottom, as this post, which
should make everybody happy.
Re: Obit - Sir Clive Sinclair, Computing Pioneer [message #411269 is a reply to message #411263] Sat, 25 September 2021 13:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Branimir Maksimovic

On 2021-09-25, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> Then, snipping is most important?
>
> Indeed, there is some art in retaining the minimum useful context.
> Once upon a time it was common for USENET servers to reject posts that had
> a poor ratio of new material to quoted material. Of course in those days
> bandwidth[1] and storage were much more expensive - but human attention span
> hasn't increased in line with those things so it is still useful to be
> brief.
>
> [1] In the early days of USENET many leaf sites had a 15 minute daily slot
> to exchange data over a modem line using UUCP - all email, USENET and file
> transfer (very unpopular with admins) traffic had to fit in that slot.
>
Thanks, I'll remember, that just to aknowledge that I have read.

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Re: Obit - Sir Clive Sinclair, Computing Pioneer [message #411270 is a reply to message #411265] Sat, 25 September 2021 13:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Branimir Maksimovic

On 2021-09-25, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Top and also bottom posting have always both been conventions on Usenet, and
> if you encounter a pedant who is up his own fundamentum, then post both at
> the top and also at the bottom, as this post, which should make everybody
> happy.

great, but please reformat text, it looks ugly on terminal text readers.

>
> On 24/09/2021 13:40, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>>
>> Please adopt usenet convention and post your reply text at the bottom,
>> there's a good chap. And some judicious snipping would help too. (Yup I
>> didn't do it last time, mea culpa).
>>
>
> Top and also bottom posting have always both been conventions on Usenet, and
> if you encounter a pedant who is up his own fundamentum, then post both at
> the top and also at the bottom, as this post, which should make everybody
> happy.
>
great, but please reformat text, it looks ugly on terminal text readers.

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Re: Obit - Sir Clive Sinclair, Computing Pioneer [message #411274 is a reply to message #411242] Sat, 25 September 2021 15:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> wrote:
> On 25.09.2021 at 03:51, Branimir Maksimovic scribbled:
>
>> Corrected.
>
> Not really. Your "signature" contains more than four lines, and your
> message body contains no reference whatsoever as to what you are
> replying to.
>
> Most people on Usenet are subscribed to more than one newsgroup. Your
> style of quoting makes that into a nightmare every time they stumble
> upon your posts.
>
> Usenet netiquette and convention stipulate that you would sbip the
> irrelevant quoted content from your replies and that you write your own
> replies underneath the remaining paragraphs in an interleaved fashion.
>
> Any deviation from that standard makes the Usenet experience only
> harder for everyone else, and needlessly so, because it really doesn't
> cost any effort to do it right.
>

I think I’m just going to have to ignore those posts. I really hope they
don’t contain anything interesting.

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Re: Obit - Sir Clive Sinclair, Computing Pioneer [message #411297 is a reply to message #411225] Sun, 26 September 2021 13:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: yamas

On Sat, 25 Sep 2021 00:07:49 +0000, Branimir Maksimovic wrote:

> UNDER '--', SIGNATURE

IOW, you're a moron. THAT, is NOT what a signature is, nor how you
construct one!!!

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Re: Obit - Sir Clive Sinclair, Computing Pioneer [message #411312 is a reply to message #411263] Mon, 27 September 2021 10:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:31:23 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:55:07 GMT
> Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Then, snipping is most important?
>
> Indeed, there is some art in retaining the minimum useful context.
> Once upon a time it was common for USENET servers to reject posts that had
> a poor ratio of new material to quoted material. Of course in those days
> bandwidth[1] and storage were much more expensive - but human attention span
> hasn't increased in line with those things so it is still useful to be
> brief.
>
> [1] In the early days of USENET many leaf sites had a 15 minute daily slot
> to exchange data over a modem line using UUCP - all email, USENET and file
> transfer (very unpopular with admins) traffic had to fit in that slot.

Ah, the good old days of ftpmail for binaries for home computers.
Re: Obit - Sir Clive Sinclair, Computing Pioneer [message #411353 is a reply to message #411297] Tue, 28 September 2021 21:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Branimir Maksimovic

On 2021-09-26, yamas <yamas@bloodyhell.no.way> wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Sep 2021 00:07:49 +0000, Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
>
>> UNDER '--', SIGNATURE
>
> IOW, you're a moron. THAT, is NOT what a signature is, nor how you
> construct one!!!
>

Thanks, for compliment, is this now OK?


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Re: Obit - Sir Clive Sinclair, Computing Pioneer [message #411355 is a reply to message #411312] Tue, 28 September 2021 21:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: Branimir Maksimovic

On 2021-09-27, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:31:23 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:55:07 GMT
>> Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Then, snipping is most important?
>>
>> Indeed, there is some art in retaining the minimum useful context.
>> Once upon a time it was common for USENET servers to reject posts that had
>> a poor ratio of new material to quoted material. Of course in those days
>> bandwidth[1] and storage were much more expensive - but human attention span
>> hasn't increased in line with those things so it is still useful to be
>> brief.
>>
>> [1] In the early days of USENET many leaf sites had a 15 minute daily slot
>> to exchange data over a modem line using UUCP - all email, USENET and file
>> transfer (very unpopular with admins) traffic had to fit in that slot.
>
> Ah, the good old days of ftpmail for binaries for home computers.
Yeah I remember using UUCP to exchange news and mail :P
it was somewhat difficult to setup without documentation :P


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Re: Obit - Sir Clive Sinclair, Computing Pioneer [message #411362 is a reply to message #411355] Wed, 29 September 2021 01:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 01:15:57 GMT
Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> wrote:

> it was somewhat difficult to setup without documentation :P

Yep and you couldn't just google it and watch a youtube video of
instructions.

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Re: Obit - Sir Clive Sinclair, Computing Pioneer [message #411364 is a reply to message #411353] Wed, 29 September 2021 06:59 Go to previous message
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On 29/09/2021 02:11, Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
> On 2021-09-26, yamas <yamas@bloodyhell.no.way> wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Sep 2021 00:07:49 +0000, Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
>>
>>> UNDER '--', SIGNATURE
>>
>> IOW, you're a moron. THAT, is NOT what a signature is, nor how you
>> construct one!!!
>>
>
> Thanks, for compliment, is this now OK?
>
>
the fact that thunderbird deletes it, suggests that it is


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