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Originally posted by: maus
On 2021-09-07, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On 6 Sep 2021 17:27:38 GMT, maus wrote:
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>> On 2021-09-05, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> On 5 Sep 2021 10:44:00 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Indian accents are a real turnoff for British users, even if the
>>>> Indian is living in the UK (or Ireland). Poor answering soured the
>>>> idea.
>>>
>>> When I call a service hot line and have Apu (from the Simpsons) on the
>>> line I hang up. I don't really understand them (not being a native English
>>> speaker?), they don't understand me. Because in the past I ended up
>>> "signing up" for an additional service I didn't ask for, while the
>>> initial problem wasn't solved. Went through a lot of trouble because of this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> There are almost twice as many English Speakers in India than the UK.
>> Many non-Hindu speakers find English a more likable common tongue that
>> Hindi
>
> The owner of one of the convenience stores is from India. He also has a
> lot of Indian customers he talks to in Hindi. Interestingly when it comes
> to numbers he says them in English.
>
I had an argument recently with a man from the Delhi area, My contention
was the Hindi and Urdu are essentially the same language, I should have
kept my mouth shut.
>> I should stress that I find most Indians easy to deal with and
>> competant.
>
> My problem might be that I am not a native English speaker. Already have
> problems to understand the Welsh. ;-)
>
Nobody understands the Welsh language, but they are nice about it. Far
better than those who want to make Gaelic the only language in Ireland.
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #410797 is a reply to message #410796] |
Tue, 07 September 2021 06:54  |
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Originally posted by: gareth evans
On 07/09/2021 10:41, maus wrote:
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> Nobody understands the Welsh language,
Cymraeg is the oldest European language in continuous use
but coming as it does long before any significant technological
developments has to now borrow words, mainly from English.
(Although English also borrows words such as, "Bungalow")
This borrowing has resulted in the non-native letter, "J"
appearing in the Welsh alphabet.
Although he did not teach us any of it, being brought up
in Somerset, my father was a Welsh speaker and for his
school certificate (Precursor to the 'O' Levels) he
did English as the foreign language.
After he died, I inherited a large fraction of his
Welsh library, and I am trying to learn some of
the language in order to be able to read those books,
especially several volumes of the proceedings of the
National Eisteddfod.
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #410798 is a reply to message #410797] |
Tue, 07 September 2021 06:58 |
Niklas Karlsson
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On 2021-09-07, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> (Although English also borrows words such as, "Bungalow")
English doesn’t borrow from other languages. English follows other
languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their
pockets for loose grammar. -- James Nicoll
Niklas
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #410799 is a reply to message #410797] |
Tue, 07 September 2021 09:42 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2021-09-07, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 07/09/2021 10:41, maus wrote:
>>
>> Nobody understands the Welsh language,
>
>
> Cymraeg is the oldest European language in continuous use
> but coming as it does long before any significant technological
> developments has to now borrow words, mainly from English.
>
I dont think `AFAR', painted frequently on Welsh roads, is derived from
English :)
>
> (Although English also borrows words such as, "Bungalow")
>
> This borrowing has resulted in the non-native letter, "J"
> appearing in the Welsh alphabet.
>
> Although he did not teach us any of it, being brought up
> in Somerset, my father was a Welsh speaker and for his
> school certificate (Precursor to the 'O' Levels) he
> did English as the foreign language.
>
> After he died, I inherited a large fraction of his
> Welsh library, and I am trying to learn some of
> the language in order to be able to read those books,
> especially several volumes of the proceedings of the
> National Eisteddfod.
>
How is the language served by computers?
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #410803 is a reply to message #410797] |
Tue, 07 September 2021 09:45 |
Peter Flass
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gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 07/09/2021 10:41, maus wrote:
>>
>> Nobody understands the Welsh language,
>
>
> Cymraeg is the oldest European language in continuous use
> but coming as it does long before any significant technological
> developments has to now borrow words, mainly from English.
It’s been borrowing at least since the Welsh fought the Romans. A lot of
borrowings from Latin.
>
> (Although English also borrows words such as, "Bungalow")
>
> This borrowing has resulted in the non-native letter, "J"
> appearing in the Welsh alphabet.
>
> Although he did not teach us any of it, being brought up
> in Somerset, my father was a Welsh speaker and for his
> school certificate (Precursor to the 'O' Levels) he
> did English as the foreign language.
>
> After he died, I inherited a large fraction of his
> Welsh library, and I am trying to learn some of
> the language in order to be able to read those books,
> especially several volumes of the proceedings of the
> National Eisteddfod.
>
>
>
>
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #410809 is a reply to message #410799] |
Tue, 07 September 2021 12:45 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On 7 Sep 2021 13:42:10 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> On 2021-09-07, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 07/09/2021 10:41, maus wrote:
>>>
>>> Nobody understands the Welsh language,
>>
>>
>> Cymraeg is the oldest European language in continuous use
>> but coming as it does long before any significant technological
>> developments has to now borrow words, mainly from English.
>>
> I dont think `AFAR', painted frequently on Welsh roads, is derived from
> English :)
Do you mean "ARAF"? Why would Welsh have to borrow a word for "slow"?
>> (Although English also borrows words such as, "Bungalow")
>>
>> This borrowing has resulted in the non-native letter, "J"
>> appearing in the Welsh alphabet.
>>
>> Although he did not teach us any of it, being brought up
>> in Somerset, my father was a Welsh speaker and for his
>> school certificate (Precursor to the 'O' Levels) he
>> did English as the foreign language.
>>
>> After he died, I inherited a large fraction of his
>> Welsh library, and I am trying to learn some of
>> the language in order to be able to read those books,
>> especially several volumes of the proceedings of the
>> National Eisteddfod.
>>
>
> How is the language served by computers?
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #410815 is a reply to message #410796] |
Tue, 07 September 2021 16:12 |
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On 2021-09-07, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> Nobody understands the Welsh language, but they are nice about it. Far
> better than those who want to make Gaelic the only language in Ireland.
I found the Irish approach to Gaelic to be refreshingly mature
compared to French in Quebec.
BTW has anyone else noticed that Newsguy seems to be dead?
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/~\ Charlie Gibbs | They don't understand Microsoft
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway.
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #410991 is a reply to message #410796] |
Thu, 16 September 2021 08:55 |
Quadibloc
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On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 3:41:51 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
> Far
> better than those who want to make Gaelic the only language in Ireland.
Fortunately, however, most of the Irish are not interested
in the idea, as they themselves do not have a command
of that language.
John Savard
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #410992 is a reply to message #410798] |
Thu, 16 September 2021 08:58 |
Quadibloc
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On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:58:29 AM UTC-6, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
> On 2021-09-07, gareth evans <headst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> (Although English also borrows words such as, "Bungalow")
> English doesn’t borrow from other languages. English follows other
> languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their
> pockets for loose grammar. -- James Nicoll
This is quite unfair to English. The Norman Conquest is hardly something
England did to France; it is rather quite the other way around.
John Savard
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #410993 is a reply to message #410799] |
Thu, 16 September 2021 09:00 |
Quadibloc
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On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 7:42:12 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
> On 2021-09-07, gareth evans <headst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> After he died, I inherited a large fraction of his
>> Welsh library, and I am trying to learn some of
>> the language in order to be able to read those books,
>> especially several volumes of the proceedings of the
>> National Eisteddfod.
> How is the language served by computers?
I think Apple ran an ad once about how the Macintosh
was available with Welsh or Icelandic support, as
opposed to Windows, which wasn't.
However, since then, it has become possible to connect
a color monitor to the Macintosh, and Windows has
expanded its language support options.
John Savard
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #410995 is a reply to message #410992] |
Thu, 16 September 2021 09:42 |
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On 2021-09-16, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:58:29 AM UTC-6, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>> On 2021-09-07, gareth evans <headst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> (Although English also borrows words such as, "Bungalow")
>
>> English doesn’t borrow from other languages. English follows other
>> languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their
>> pockets for loose grammar. -- James Nicoll
>
> This is quite unfair to English. The Norman Conquest is hardly something
> England did to France; it is rather quite the other way around.
There's a lot more than French involved, I'd say.
Niklas
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #411000 is a reply to message #410992] |
Thu, 16 September 2021 10:12 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 05:58:24 -0700 (PDT)
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:58:29 AM UTC-6, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>> On 2021-09-07, gareth evans <headst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> (Although English also borrows words such as, "Bungalow")
>
>> English doesn’t borrow from other languages. English follows other
>> languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their
>> pockets for loose grammar. -- James Nicoll
>
> This is quite unfair to English. The Norman Conquest is hardly something
> England did to France; it is rather quite the other way around.
That is true and accounts for the presence of a lot of French in
English but it doesn't account for all the bits the English nicked from
elsewhere while running an empire. Bungalow certainly did not come from
French for example.
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #411001 is a reply to message #411000] |
Thu, 16 September 2021 13:40 |
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On 2021-09-16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 05:58:24 -0700 (PDT)
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:58:29 AM UTC-6, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-09-07, gareth evans <headst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> (Although English also borrows words such as, "Bungalow")
>>>
>>> English doesn’t borrow from other languages. English follows other
>>> languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their
>>> pockets for loose grammar. -- James Nicoll
>>
>> This is quite unfair to English. The Norman Conquest is hardly something
>> England did to France; it is rather quite the other way around.
>
> That is true and accounts for the presence of a lot of French in
> English but it doesn't account for all the bits the English nicked from
> elsewhere while running an empire. Bungalow certainly did not come from
> French for example.
"The trouble with the French is that they
don't have a word for entrepreneur."
-- George W. Bush
Oh all right, nobody can prove he actually said this.
But it's fun - and English has stolen words from so
many other languages that James Nicoll's quote is
both witty and true.
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #411002 is a reply to message #410991] |
Thu, 16 September 2021 13:40 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2021-09-16, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 3:41:51 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>
>> Far better than those who want to make Gaelic the only
>> language in Ireland.
>
> Fortunately, however, most of the Irish are not interested
> in the idea, as they themselves do not have a command
> of that language.
Still, I appreciate their efforts to keep the language alive.
On our trip to Ireland in 2017 I enjoyed listening to the
recorded announcements on the train - the voice was so
beautiful that it even made mundane announcements like
"please keep your feet off the seats" sound like poetry.
The Irish attitude toward Gaelic is refreshingly mature
compared to Quebec's attitude toward French.
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/~\ Charlie Gibbs | They don't understand Microsoft
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway.
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #411005 is a reply to message #410991] |
Thu, 16 September 2021 14:12 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2021-09-16, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 3:41:51 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>> Far
>> better than those who want to make Gaelic the only language in Ireland.
>
> Fortunately, however, most of the Irish are not interested
> in the idea, as they themselves do not have a command
> of that language.
>
May turn nasty at the moment. Prey for us that only want peace.
> John Savard
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #411006 is a reply to message #411002] |
Thu, 16 September 2021 14:16 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2021-09-16, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2021-09-16, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 3:41:51 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>>
>>> Far better than those who want to make Gaelic the only
>>> language in Ireland.
>>
>> Fortunately, however, most of the Irish are not interested
>> in the idea, as they themselves do not have a command
>> of that language.
>
> Still, I appreciate their efforts to keep the language alive.
> On our trip to Ireland in 2017 I enjoyed listening to the
> recorded announcements on the train - the voice was so
> beautiful that it even made mundane announcements like
> "please keep your feet off the seats" sound like poetry.
>
> The Irish attitude toward Gaelic is refreshingly mature
> compared to Quebec's attitude toward French.
>
The Welsh have a better attitude. There is something in Finnish at the
moment, I think, about making English a second official language.
As far as I can make out, Tolkien's books have a kinda Finnish
undertone.
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #411007 is a reply to message #411002] |
Thu, 16 September 2021 14:19 |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 17:40:34 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> The Irish attitude toward Gaelic is refreshingly mature
> compared to Quebec's attitude toward French.
Well yes, Gaelic is what they speak in Scotland here it's Irish or
Gaeilge in Gaeilge. Some people even get upset when it's called Gaelic but
most will trot out that correction with a smile.
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #411008 is a reply to message #411005] |
Thu, 16 September 2021 15:55 |
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On 16 Sep 2021 18:12:30 GMT
maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> On 2021-09-16, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 3:41:51 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>>> Far
>>> better than those who want to make Gaelic the only language in
>>> Ireland.
>>
>> Fortunately, however, most of the Irish are not interested
>> in the idea, as they themselves do not have a command
>> of that language.
>>
>
> May turn nasty at the moment. Prey for us that only want peace.
>
>
Prey?!
Naively I'd hoped that the UK Brexit customs "border" (in the Irish Sea) would make it easier for the people in the North to realise they're better off trading with no tariffs to the RoI.
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #411013 is a reply to message #411008] |
Thu, 16 September 2021 17:41 |
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Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On 16 Sep 2021 18:12:30 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-09-16, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 3:41:51 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>>>> Far
>>>> better than those who want to make Gaelic the only language in
>>>> Ireland.
>>>
>>> Fortunately, however, most of the Irish are not interested
>>> in the idea, as they themselves do not have a command
>>> of that language.
>>>
>>
>> May turn nasty at the moment. Prey for us that only want peace.
>>
>>
> Prey?!
>
> Naively I'd hoped that the UK Brexit customs "border" (in the Irish Sea)
> would make it easier for the people in the North to realise they're
> better off trading with no tariffs to the RoI.
>
I thought both sides should just have declared NI a duty-free zone. Would
have helped everyone.
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Thu, 16 September 2021 18:15 |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 20:55:12 +0100
"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> Naively I'd hoped that the UK Brexit customs "border" (in the Irish Sea)
> would make it easier for the people in the North to realise they're
> better off trading with no tariffs to the RoI.
Well the Republicans have thought that all along. The Unionists
OTOH are less than pleased with the idea especially as they were given a
flat guarantee it wouldn't happen and failed to notice that contradictory
guarantees were also being made (and believed) at the same time by the
same people. They're an unhappy bunch these days, feeling a bit abandoned
and kicked from what I can tell and things are always so much easier when
both sides are not unhappy.
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| Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox [message #411018 is a reply to message #411007] |
Thu, 16 September 2021 19:26 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2021-09-16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 17:40:34 GMT
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>
>> The Irish attitude toward Gaelic is refreshingly mature
>> compared to Quebec's attitude toward French.
>
> Well yes, Gaelic is what they speak in Scotland here it's Irish or
> Gaeilge in Gaeilge. Some people even get upset when it's called Gaelic but
> most will trot out that correction with a smile.
Noted, thanks.
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| JRRT's linguistic influences [was not really: Re: HA - Found a CP/M-86 image and C compiler for VBox] [message #411046 is a reply to message #411006] |
Fri, 17 September 2021 16:35 |
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maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
> The Welsh have a better attitude. There is something in Finnish at the
> moment, I think, about making English a second official language.
> As far as I can make out, Tolkien's books have a kinda Finnish undertone.
This is a well known fact among those who have studied JRRT's languages and his
writings about them, as well as his biography.
One of his Elvish languages' grammatical and phonoligical features were greatly
influenced by Finnish.
Another was greatly influenced by Welsh in the same way, as it happens.
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Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
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