| Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404161] |
Wed, 13 January 2021 15:21  |
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Originally posted by: gareth evans
This year is 50 years since I first cut my teeth on
assembler programming on a 16kb PDP11-20, but I can
today purchase microprocessors with an equal or better
capability for only a few £££ or $$$.
Are there any other technologies that have had comparable
periods of accelerated development?
Any of the other professionals who qualified at the same time
as we engineers have only had to deal with the same characteristics
as they dealt with 50 years ago with very minor changes, be they
doctors or lawyers.
Pity the poor electronic engineer!
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404162 is a reply to message #404161] |
Wed, 13 January 2021 15:39  |
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Originally posted by: A.T. Murray
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:22:06 PM UTC-8, gareth evans wrote:
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> Are there any other technologies that have had comparable
> periods of accelerated development?
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> Pity the poor electronic engineer!
Artificial Intelligence (AI) is one technology recently blossoming with AI Minds thinking first in English, then in German, then Russian, and most recently in ancient Latin.
https://ai.neocities.org/LaThink.html -- how an AI Mind thinks in ancient Latin.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404163 is a reply to message #404161] |
Wed, 13 January 2021 15:59 |
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 20:21:57 +0000
gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This year is 50 years since I first cut my teeth on
> assembler programming on a 16kb PDP11-20, but I can
> today purchase microprocessors with an equal or better
> capability for only a few £££ or $$$.
>
> Are there any other technologies that have had comparable
> periods of accelerated development?
Flight! The Wright brothers got Kittyhawk off the ground in 1903,
by 1953 we were seeing the first jet airliners (the 707 was only a year
later) and we were only four years short of the first satellite launch.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404164 is a reply to message #404163] |
Wed, 13 January 2021 16:16 |
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On Wednesday, 13 January 2021 at 21:00:06 UTC, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 20:21:57 +0000
> gareth evans <hea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> This year is 50 years since I first cut my teeth on
>> assembler programming on a 16kb PDP11-20, but I can
>> today purchase microprocessors with an equal or better
>> capability for only a few £££ or $$$.
>>
>> Are there any other technologies that have had comparable
>> periods of accelerated development?
> Flight! The Wright brothers got Kittyhawk off the ground in 1903,
> by 1953 we were seeing the first jet airliners (the 707 was only a year
> later) and we were only four years short of the first satellite launch.
Maybe the 50 years (plus 1 month) from Alcock and Brown to
Armstrong and Aldrin cover a bigger technological advance.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404172 is a reply to message #404163] |
Wed, 13 January 2021 17:12 |
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Originally posted by: gareth evans
On 13/01/2021 20:59, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 20:21:57 +0000
> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> This year is 50 years since I first cut my teeth on
>> assembler programming on a 16kb PDP11-20, but I can
>> today purchase microprocessors with an equal or better
>> capability for only a few £££ or $$$.
>>
>> Are there any other technologies that have had comparable
>> periods of accelerated development?
>
> Flight! The Wright brothers got Kittyhawk off the ground in 1903,
> by 1953 we were seeing the first jet airliners (the 707 was only a year
> later) and we were only four years short of the first satellite launch.
>
.... and of course my original interest in the previous 50 years
from 1920, radio coming from crystal sets to portable transistor
receivers. (But electronics again!)
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404173 is a reply to message #404164] |
Wed, 13 January 2021 17:18 |
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Originally posted by: gareth evans
On 13/01/2021 21:16, bert wrote:
> On Wednesday, 13 January 2021 at 21:00:06 UTC, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 20:21:57 +0000
>> gareth evans <hea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> This year is 50 years since I first cut my teeth on
>>> assembler programming on a 16kb PDP11-20, but I can
>>> today purchase microprocessors with an equal or better
>>> capability for only a few £££ or $$$.
>>>
>>> Are there any other technologies that have had comparable
>>> periods of accelerated development?
>> Flight! The Wright brothers got Kittyhawk off the ground in 1903,
>> by 1953 we were seeing the first jet airliners (the 707 was only a year
>> later) and we were only four years short of the first satellite launch.
>
> Maybe the 50 years (plus 1 month) from Alcock and Brown to
> Armstrong and Aldrin cover a bigger technological advance.
>
Sorry, but having posed the question has brought to mind that for
millennia, humanity existed with wood, stone and very little metal,
and any possessions would be valued and keppt for generations, but the
technologies of the past nearly 200 years have produced great waste
in that a further development results in abandonment and scrapping
of previous approaches.
What of humanity in the next 200, 2000, or 200,000 years when petroleum
and coal are long exhausted. Are we too much concerned with our
comforts of today?
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404186 is a reply to message #404164] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 05:16 |
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:16:23 -0800 (PST)
bert <bert.hutchings@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 13 January 2021 at 21:00:06 UTC, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> Flight! The Wright brothers got Kittyhawk off the ground in 1903,
>> by 1953 we were seeing the first jet airliners (the 707 was only a year
>> later) and we were only four years short of the first satellite launch.
>
> Maybe the 50 years (plus 1 month) from Alcock and Brown to
> Armstrong and Aldrin cover a bigger technological advance.
Maybe, it was pretty fast from 1903 to some time in the 1970s and
then slowed down quite a bit, short of the hypersonic planes that some were
predicting a little earlier.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404188 is a reply to message #404173] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 06:45 |
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 22:18:43 +0000
gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sorry, but having posed the question has brought to mind that for
> millennia, humanity existed with wood, stone and very little metal,
> and any possessions would be valued and kept for generations, but the
Also in very small numbers. The world population hit a billion for
the first time 200 years ago.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404194 is a reply to message #404164] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 09:56 |
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Originally posted by: Vir Campestris
On 13/01/2021 21:16, bert wrote:
> Maybe the 50 years (plus 1 month) from Alcock and Brown to
> Armstrong and Aldrin cover a bigger technological advance.
My grandfather was born before the Wright brother's flight, and was in
the RFC in WW1. By the time he died we had men on the moon, and he'd
been on Concorde.
What went wrong? I never dreamed when I was a child that I would see the
end of supersonic transport, and the death of the last man who ever
walked on the moon. It can't be far away now, they're all at least 85.
I'm glad I made my career in computers...
Andy
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404198 is a reply to message #404194] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 10:42 |
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 14:56:23 +0000
Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> What went wrong?
> I never dreamed when I was a child that I would see thel end of
> supersonic transport,
Economics happened to that - for now at least. Musk seems to think
he can make hypersonic sub-orbital transport pay.
> and the death of the last man who ever
> walked on the moon. It can't be far away now, they're all at least 85.
Yeah, that is at least in part because nobody new why they went
there in the first place, Von Braun's plans for going into space and to the
planets sensibly were dropped in favour of "Whatever it takes get someone
to the moon and back before the commies do".
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404199 is a reply to message #404198] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 12:12 |
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
> On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 14:56:23 +0000
> Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
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>> What went wrong?
>
>> I never dreamed when I was a child that I would see thel end of
>> supersonic transport,
>
> Economics happened to that - for now at least. Musk seems to think
> he can make hypersonic sub-orbital transport pay.
And there are three companies currently developing low-boom supersonic
transport aircraft, two for bizjets and one for regular passenger
service.
Boom Supersonic "Overture". First flight scheduled for 2023. 55 pax, mach 2.2
Aerion Supersonic "AS2". First flight 2023, mach 1.4, 12 pax.
Spike Aerospace "S-512". First flight 2023, mach 1.6, 12-18 pax.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404205 is a reply to message #404199] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 13:43 |
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 17:12:27 GMT
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 14:56:23 +0000
>> Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
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>>> What went wrong?
>>
>>> I never dreamed when I was a child that I would see thel end of
>>> supersonic transport,
>>
>> Economics happened to that - for now at least. Musk seems to
>> think
>> he can make hypersonic sub-orbital transport pay.
>
> And there are three companies currently developing low-boom supersonic
> transport aircraft, two for bizjets and one for regular passenger
> service.
I knew of one, not the other two. I wonder how they'll pan out
commercially.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404206 is a reply to message #404194] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 14:07 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 14:56:23 +0000, Vir Campestris
<vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 13/01/2021 21:16, bert wrote:
>> Maybe the 50 years (plus 1 month) from Alcock and Brown to
>> Armstrong and Aldrin cover a bigger technological advance.
>
> My grandfather was born before the Wright brother's flight, and was in
> the RFC in WW1. By the time he died we had men on the moon, and he'd
> been on Concorde.
>
> What went wrong? I never dreamed when I was a child that I would see the
> end of supersonic transport, and the death of the last man who ever
> walked on the moon. It can't be far away now, they're all at least 85.
>
> I'm glad I made my career in computers...
Amen.
>
> Andy
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404210 is a reply to message #404205] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 14:50 |
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
> On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 17:12:27 GMT
> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
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>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 14:56:23 +0000
>>> Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What went wrong?
>>>
>>>> I never dreamed when I was a child that I would see thel end of
>>>> supersonic transport,
>>>
>>> Economics happened to that - for now at least. Musk seems to
>>> think
>>> he can make hypersonic sub-orbital transport pay.
>>
>> And there are three companies currently developing low-boom supersonic
>> transport aircraft, two for bizjets and one for regular passenger
>> service.
>
> I knew of one, not the other two. I wonder how they'll pan out
> commercially.
NASA is currently doing work to characterize low-boom effects on communities.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404213 is a reply to message #404198] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 16:00 |
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 15:42:22 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
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> On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 14:56:23 +0000
> Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
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>> and the death of the last man who ever
>> walked on the moon. It can't be far away now, they're all at least 85.
>
> Yeah, that is at least in part because nobody new why they went
> there in the first place,
Because Kennedy said so?
> Von Braun's plans for going into space and to the planets sensibly were
> dropped in favour of "Whatever it takes get someone to the moon and
> back before the commies do".
The arms race was the real deal, covered by the space race. Kind of "If
we can send a man on the moon in a rocket, we can do the same with a
nuclear tipped warhead directed into any other country.
The commies just followed the US' lead. But imagine what would had
happened if the Russians, little before July 1969, sent a manned probe to
Mars, which they had developed in all secrecy.
May be Kennedy already thought to outperform the Russians financially to
drive them bankrupt faster, like Reagan successfully did more than a
decade later, ending the USSR in 1991...
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404218 is a reply to message #404199] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 16:38 |
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Originally posted by: Vir Campestris
On 14/01/2021 17:12, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> And there are three companies currently developing low-boom supersonic
> transport aircraft, two for bizjets and one for regular passenger
> service.
We had a boom the other day. A bizjet inbound from Germany to London had
its transponder off and didn't respond to signals. They scrambled the
RAF with all dispatch... quite a little thing a Eurofighter is, and it
rattled our windows 20 miles off the flightpath.
Andy
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404226 is a reply to message #404206] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 17:01 |
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
> On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 14:56:23 +0000, Vir Campestris
> <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
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>> On 13/01/2021 21:16, bert wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe the 50 years (plus 1 month) from Alcock and Brown to
>>> Armstrong and Aldrin cover a bigger technological advance.
>>
>> My grandfather was born before the Wright brother's flight, and was
>> in the RFC in WW1. By the time he died we had men on the moon, and
>> he'd been on Concorde.
My father lived through the same era. He was landed in France hours
after the armistice so missed WW I combat and he was never on a plane,
let alone the Concorde. He was, after WW I, an extra in silent films
and worked on building the Rose Bowl. He remaind amazed at the
technological advances in his lifetime.
>> What went wrong? I never dreamed when I was a child that I would
>> see the end of supersonic transport, and the death of the last man
>> who ever walked on the moon. It can't be far away now, they're all
>> at least 85.
>>
>> I'm glad I made my career in computers...
>
> Amen.
And I'm glad that, after a brief run at biochemistry, I made my career
in blacksmithing. (Not farriery, mind you, but blacksmithing.) I
took on computers after age 45 as an avocational pursuit.
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Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404235 is a reply to message #404218] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 18:54 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 21:38:08 +0000, Vir Campestris
<vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 14/01/2021 17:12, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> And there are three companies currently developing low-boom supersonic
>> transport aircraft, two for bizjets and one for regular passenger
>> service.
>
> We had a boom the other day. A bizjet inbound from Germany to London had
> its transponder off and didn't respond to signals. They scrambled the
> RAF with all dispatch... quite a little thing a Eurofighter is, and it
> rattled our windows 20 miles off the flightpath.
And then there is SpaceX working on a more-boom hypersonic craft. Get
you from New York to Tokyo in half an hour but there won't be a window
left at either end.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404237 is a reply to message #404226] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 18:41 |
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On 14 Jan 2021 18:01:27 -0400
Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
> (Not farriery, mind you, but blacksmithing.)
Wise indeed, whenever I see a farrier with a steel shod horses foot
resting on his thigh I can't help thinking of how easily a sharp edge
could rip through his femoral artery or a sharp kick through his testicles.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404238 is a reply to message #404235] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 19:11 |
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 18:54:39 -0500
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> And then there is SpaceX working on a more-boom hypersonic craft. Get
> you from New York to Tokyo in half an hour but there won't be a window
> left at either end.
IIRC the plan is to have them takeoff and land some distance off
shore and ferry people to and from land. So here's what that half hour
looks like:
two hours to check in,
thirty minutes to spaceport,
thirty minutes boarding,
thirty minutes getting ready and waiting on a slot,
thirty minutes airborne,
thirty minutes to mainland,
two hours in immigration,
thirty minutes in baggage control
Seven hours later and you've missed the last train and there's no
taxis on the rank. The future looks a lot like the present.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404239 is a reply to message #404238] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 20:00 |
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On 2021-01-15, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 18:54:39 -0500
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And then there is SpaceX working on a more-boom hypersonic craft. Get
>> you from New York to Tokyo in half an hour but there won't be a window
>> left at either end.
>
> IIRC the plan is to have them takeoff and land some distance off
> shore and ferry people to and from land. So here's what that half hour
> looks like:
>
> two hours to check in,
> thirty minutes to spaceport,
> thirty minutes boarding,
> thirty minutes getting ready and waiting on a slot,
> thirty minutes airborne,
> thirty minutes to mainland,
> two hours in immigration,
> thirty minutes in baggage control
>
> Seven hours later and you've missed the last train and there's no
> taxis on the rank. The future looks a lot like the present.
'Twas ever thus. B.C. spent $270 mil... oops, $450 million on their
infamous Fast Cat ferries, promising to slash the time it took to get
to and from Vancouver Island. As far as I know, the only person who
liked them was a resident of Gabriola Island who would get out his
surfboard every time one went by. They kicked up such a wake that
they had to severly limit their speed during a good part of the trip,
so they succeeded in shortening a 1:45 trip by 10 minutes. And you
couldn't stay in your car but had to go up to a cramped upper deck,
where you could watch your progress on a screen - or might have, if
the map display wasn't replaced by ads as soon as you left port.
And the only way they could get any speed at all was to redline
the engines - and when the inevitable breakdowns occurred, they
discovered that the only way to remove the engines for overhaul
was to cut a hole in the hull. They were eventually removed from
service (to the great relief of all), and sat in drydock as an
embarrassing display until they were finally sold off for 10 cents
on the dollar.
It all sounds like an Eric Idle skit. "I'm tired of being treated
like a sheep..."
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404242 is a reply to message #404239] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 23:32 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On 15 Jan 2021 01:00:53 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:
> On 2021-01-15, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 18:54:39 -0500
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And then there is SpaceX working on a more-boom hypersonic craft. Get
>>> you from New York to Tokyo in half an hour but there won't be a window
>>> left at either end.
>>
>> IIRC the plan is to have them takeoff and land some distance off
>> shore and ferry people to and from land. So here's what that half hour
>> looks like:
>>
>> two hours to check in,
>> thirty minutes to spaceport,
>> thirty minutes boarding,
>> thirty minutes getting ready and waiting on a slot,
>> thirty minutes airborne,
>> thirty minutes to mainland,
>> two hours in immigration,
>> thirty minutes in baggage control
>>
>> Seven hours later and you've missed the last train and there's no
>> taxis on the rank. The future looks a lot like the present.
>
> 'Twas ever thus. B.C. spent $270 mil... oops, $450 million on their
> infamous Fast Cat ferries, promising to slash the time it took to get
> to and from Vancouver Island. As far as I know, the only person who
> liked them was a resident of Gabriola Island who would get out his
> surfboard every time one went by. They kicked up such a wake that
> they had to severly limit their speed during a good part of the trip,
> so they succeeded in shortening a 1:45 trip by 10 minutes. And you
> couldn't stay in your car but had to go up to a cramped upper deck,
> where you could watch your progress on a screen - or might have, if
> the map display wasn't replaced by ads as soon as you left port.
> And the only way they could get any speed at all was to redline
> the engines - and when the inevitable breakdowns occurred, they
> discovered that the only way to remove the engines for overhaul
> was to cut a hole in the hull. They were eventually removed from
> service (to the great relief of all), and sat in drydock as an
> embarrassing display until they were finally sold off for 10 cents
> on the dollar.
If I was a zillionaire I would have bought one of them things and made
a yacht out of it at that price.
Maybe I'm nuts but I like Incat ferries. One of them holds the
transatlantic record. They spent a day in the middle of the ocean
searching for a crashed airplane and _still_ broke the previous
record.
> It all sounds like an Eric Idle skit. "I'm tired of being treated
> like a sheep..."
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Fri, 15 January 2021 01:21 |
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
> On 14 Jan 2021 18:01:27 -0400
> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
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>> (Not farriery, mind you, but blacksmithing.)
>
> Wise indeed, whenever I see a farrier with a steel shod horses foot
> resting on his thigh I can't help thinking of how easily a sharp
> edge could rip through his femoral artery or a sharp kick through
> his testicles.
There is that brief moment, after each rear shoe nail is driven home
but before the 1/2" to 1-1/2" projecting point has been snagged in
the hammer claw and twisted off, when the horse holds your femoral
artery in, so to speak, the palm of its hand, nifty leather apron
notwithstanding. Six or eight such moments for each rear foot.
I put front shoes on my own horse once. I didn't lame the horse and
the shoes stayed on but after that I hired a farrier, not as easy as
it may sound as most farriers like to shoe riding horses and a big
draught animal is, again so to speak, an horse of a differnt choler.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404305 is a reply to message #404237] |
Sun, 17 January 2021 06:00 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2021-01-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 14 Jan 2021 18:01:27 -0400
> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> (Not farriery, mind you, but blacksmithing.)
>
> Wise indeed, whenever I see a farrier with a steel shod horses foot
> resting on his thigh I can't help thinking of how easily a sharp edge
> could rip through his femoral artery or a sharp kick through his testicles.
>
>
Yes, farriery is dangerous, which is why it is more an art than a
science. Sue Doyle was killed by a kick that went over a closed stable
door.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404307 is a reply to message #404305] |
Sun, 17 January 2021 06:59 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On 17 Jan 2021 11:00:17 GMT
maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> Yes, farriery is dangerous, which is why it is more an art than a
> science. Sue Doyle was killed by a kick that went over a closed stable
> door.
Having seen a young woman thrown through a well built post and rail
fence, shattering her pelvis and both rails, I'd say through would have
been just as likely as over - not that it would make much difference to her.
Everything to do with horses is dangerous, I can't say I'm unhappy
that my daughter has given up her (very feasible) ambitions as an event
rider after getting a taste of the professional eventing world.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404311 is a reply to message #404307] |
Sun, 17 January 2021 12:44 |
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Originally posted by: gareth evans
On 17/01/2021 11:59, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> Everything to do with horses is dangerous, I can't say I'm unhappy
> that my daughter has given up her (very feasible) ambitions as an event
> rider after getting a taste of the professional eventing world.
>
Will she have competed down here in Wiltshire where we are
BE-registered X-country jump judges?
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404315 is a reply to message #404311] |
Sun, 17 January 2021 14:10 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 17:44:23 +0000
gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 17/01/2021 11:59, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
>> Everything to do with horses is dangerous, I can't say I'm
>> unhappy that my daughter has given up her (very feasible) ambitions as
>> an event rider after getting a taste of the professional eventing world.
>>
>
> Will she have competed down here in Wiltshire where we are
> BE-registered X-country jump judges?
No, we're in Ireland.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404322 is a reply to message #404307] |
Sun, 17 January 2021 17:47 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2021-01-17, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 17 Jan 2021 11:00:17 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> Yes, farriery is dangerous, which is why it is more an art than a
>> science. Sue Doyle was killed by a kick that went over a closed stable
>> door.
>
> Having seen a young woman thrown through a well built post and rail
> fence, shattering her pelvis and both rails, I'd say through would have
> been just as likely as over - not that it would make much difference to her.
>
> Everything to do with horses is dangerous, I can't say I'm unhappy
> that my daughter has given up her (very feasible) ambitions as an event
> rider after getting a taste of the professional eventing world.
>
Up there with cycling as if you dont like pain, dont compete
Real farriers can keep essencially very stupid racehorses calm while they
work.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404331 is a reply to message #404315] |
Mon, 18 January 2021 06:42 |
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Originally posted by: gareth evans
On 17/01/2021 19:10, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 17:44:23 +0000
> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 17/01/2021 11:59, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>
>>> Everything to do with horses is dangerous, I can't say I'm
>>> unhappy that my daughter has given up her (very feasible) ambitions as
>>> an event rider after getting a taste of the professional eventing world.
>>>
>>
>> Will she have competed down here in Wiltshire where we are
>> BE-registered X-country jump judges?
>
> No, we're in Ireland.
>
Bad luck with that, a country still largely controlled by the
mores of make-believe (AKA religion) much as is Iran today.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404333 is a reply to message #404331] |
Mon, 18 January 2021 07:29 |
Elliott Roper
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On 18 Jan 2021 at 11:42:01 GMT, "gareth evans" <headstone255@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On 17/01/2021 19:10, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 17:44:23 +0000
>> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 17/01/2021 11:59, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>
>>>> Everything to do with horses is dangerous, I can't say I'm
>>>> unhappy that my daughter has given up her (very feasible) ambitions as
>>>> an event rider after getting a taste of the professional eventing world.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Will she have competed down here in Wiltshire where we are
>>> BE-registered X-country jump judges?
>>
>> No, we're in Ireland.
>>
>
> Bad luck with that, a country still largely controlled by the
> mores of make-believe (AKA religion) much as is Iran today.
Have you been to Ireland recently? You would be surprised at the liberal
forward looking place it now is.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404334 is a reply to message #404331] |
Mon, 18 January 2021 07:12 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:42:01 +0000
gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Bad luck with that, a country still largely controlled by the
> mores of make-believe (AKA religion) much as is Iran today.
Your information is somewhat out of date.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404336 is a reply to message #404334] |
Mon, 18 January 2021 10:17 |
Andy Leighton
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On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:12:54 +0000,
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:42:01 +0000
> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Bad luck with that, a country still largely controlled by the
>> mores of make-believe (AKA religion) much as is Iran today.
>
> Your information is somewhat out of date.
Still can't get a beer before 1230 on Sunday though :-(
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Andy Leighton => andyl@azaal.plus.com
"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
- Douglas Adams
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404337 is a reply to message #404333] |
Mon, 18 January 2021 10:23 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:29:27 +0000 (UTC), Elliott Roper
<nospam@yrl.co.uk> wrote:
> On 18 Jan 2021 at 11:42:01 GMT, "gareth evans" <headstone255@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 17/01/2021 19:10, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 17:44:23 +0000
>>> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 17/01/2021 11:59, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Everything to do with horses is dangerous, I can't say I'm
>>>> > unhappy that my daughter has given up her (very feasible) ambitions as
>>>> > an event rider after getting a taste of the professional eventing world.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Will she have competed down here in Wiltshire where we are
>>>> BE-registered X-country jump judges?
>>>
>>> No, we're in Ireland.
>>>
>>
>> Bad luck with that, a country still largely controlled by the
>> mores of make-believe (AKA religion) much as is Iran today.
>
>
> Have you been to Ireland recently? You would be surprised at the liberal
> forward looking place it now is.
It is amazing how much people think they know about living conditions
in places they have never been.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404339 is a reply to message #404334] |
Mon, 18 January 2021 12:16 |
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Originally posted by: gareth evans
On 18/01/2021 12:12, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:42:01 +0000
> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Bad luck with that, a country still largely controlled by the
>> mores of make-believe (AKA religion) much as is Iran today.
>
> Your information is somewhat out of date.
>
I immediately googled for abortion in Ireland to prove you
wrong, but I'm not that far out of date! :-)
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404499 is a reply to message #404331] |
Tue, 19 January 2021 05:04 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2021-01-18, gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 17/01/2021 19:10, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 17:44:23 +0000
>> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 17/01/2021 11:59, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>
>>>> Everything to do with horses is dangerous, I can't say I'm
>>>> unhappy that my daughter has given up her (very feasible) ambitions as
>>>> an event rider after getting a taste of the professional eventing world.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Will she have competed down here in Wiltshire where we are
>>> BE-registered X-country jump judges?
>>
>> No, we're in Ireland.
>>
>
> Bad luck with that, a country still largely controlled by the
> mores of make-believe (AKA religion) much as is Iran today.
>
Photos of priests here now are usually ones being accompanied by police
into court.
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| Re: Too much for one lifetime? :-) [message #404501 is a reply to message #404500] |
Tue, 19 January 2021 05:14 |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2021-01-19, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> On 2021-01-18, Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 12:12:54 +0000,
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:42:01 +0000
>>> gareth evans <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bad luck with that, a country still largely controlled by the
>>>> mores of make-believe (AKA religion) much as is Iran today.
>>>
>>> Your information is somewhat out of date.
>>
>> Still can't get a beer before 1230 on Sunday though :-(
>>
>
> Tap on the window, say ``Mick sent me''
>
>
>
>
If a voice asks who Mick is, wave vaguely in the distance and say,
``Ayy, you know Mick.'' If That fails, try `Sam' and get everone in the
pub already a Bushmills.
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greymausg@mail.com
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