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Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403537 is a reply to message #403408] Sat, 02 January 2021 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: Bud Spencer

On Thu, 31 Dec 2020, John Levine wrote:

> Oy, veh.

Science denier called in.

> Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies"

Yes, indeed you are. But that's ok, Internet is also for dummies like you.

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Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403538 is a reply to message #403409] Sat, 02 January 2021 10:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: Bud Spencer

On Wed, 30 Dec 2020, J. Clarke wrote:

> I don't see any reason to beat her or anybody else up over this. I
> believed a bunch of stupid crap when I was 15 that my parents did not
> agree with.

I'm not beating her. She is just poor victim of abuse and should be helped
in anyway and those who do that to her should be put in jail!

> Interesting researchers. Do they have any street cred in climatology?

Do you apply this kind of sceptical thought also to others? Like one
high-school dropout patent office clerk that stole everything from
everyone else? This fuzzy-haired crackpot was only person to get Nikola
Tesla wound up to the degree that he called him "fuzzy-haired crackpot",
which was very much not normal to him.

Btw, "einstein" -> "one stone" -> slang for a fool/stupid/etc.

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Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403541 is a reply to message #403426] Sat, 02 January 2021 10:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: Bud Spencer

On Thu, 31 Dec 2020, maus wrote:

> I am somewhat suspicious of Greta. When she came to public focus first,
> she was mostly worried about the amount of fruit that was being dumped
> from supermarkrts, and the obvious way to lower that was irradiotion,
> but the public are suspicious of that.

I'm not suspicious of her, since it's abvious that she is used by her
abusive parents and their "friends" ... I feel sorry for her and hope
someone would help her out of the tarpit she is sinking in.

> If I remember correctly, she was sponsored by Lever Brothers at the
> time.

Dunno about that, haven't been following her "sponsors" that closely. But
her networth went up $3mn in just couple years. And I see no conflict for
her to fly private planes around the world to protest against the "manmade
climate change" ... Also her veganism is going to hurt her badly, but
noone around her gives a flipping about such things.

Pawns are disposable ... there will always be the next one ...

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Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403542 is a reply to message #403427] Sat, 02 January 2021 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: Bud Spencer

On Thu, 31 Dec 2020, JimP wrote:

> When I was 15 I knew substationaly more about WW2 than my teachers did
> in high school. I read books not assigned, but they had lived it.
> Maybe they just didn't want to talk about it.

Mostly our so called history is fabrication and false. Unfortunately.

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Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403543 is a reply to message #403428] Sat, 02 January 2021 10:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bud Spencer

On Thu, 31 Dec 2020, JimP wrote:

> Climate changes whether you believe it does or not.

But of course it is, if it stops, we sure are doomed. But that "Co2 causes
warming" and other nonsense is just that, nonsense.

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Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403544 is a reply to message #403529] Sat, 02 January 2021 10:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On 2 Jan 2021 11:26:36 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> On 2021-01-01, antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl <antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl> wrote:
>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>> On 2020-12-31, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 31 Dec 2020 18:47:15 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>> >On 2020-12-31, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 11:22:37 -0500, J. Clarke
>>>> >><jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >beeen made of the Polish Army having taken over a small part of
>>>> >Czechslovakia at the same time the germans did take over large bits.
>>>>
>>>> True, I did find an English translation of Guderian's book on the
>>>> Eastern Front just recently. Not so much informative, but he doesn't
>> content of some messages were easily guessable
>> and recoverd keys could be used to decrypt other
>> messages.
>>
>> Before WWII Polish build few machines (called "bomb")
>> to do brute-forcing. British build more and bigger.
>> Polish machines were electro-mechanical. Later
>> British ones are described as electronic (but details
>> are scarce). I found an intersting tidbit: around
>> 1942 Americans build their electro-mechanical machines.
>> One technical detail I found was that they operated
>> at 1500 RPM. My understanding is that single rotation
>> goes trough 26 machine positions, so the American machine
>> could go trough (check) 650 position per second. That
>> looks like impressive speed for electro-mechanical device.
>>
>>
>
> We are in general agreement, I think, that it took several countries to
> decypher the variety of machines that the Germns were so confident of
> being secure.
>
> I have heard that why the weakness of the Enigmas was hiddent for so
> many years was that a company in Switzerland made and sold Enigmas
> after the war, and supplied those things to various governments,
> including the Irish, which used them.
>
> There is the story that the british destroyed their bombes at wars end.
> Why?.. destroying them meant that the Briotish never caught up with the
> Americans in developing Computers.
>
> (I am also aware that many of those who worked at Enigma decryption went
> on to work at general development. )
>
> At the present time I would think that there is no reason to bother much
> with encryptation, as the various government can read such messages
> easily

One time pads. I see mention of them from time to time on historical
methods documentaries. And whatever those number stations are. Yes,
they still exist.


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Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403545 is a reply to message #403536] Sat, 02 January 2021 10:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 17:17:37 +0200
Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:

> Rotating turbines are not generating anything, right?

Correct! Turbines[1] are devices for converting fluid flow into
rotational motion and are often used to transfer kinetic energy from
flowing water or steam to the shaft of an alternator which then transfers
that kinetic energy into electrical energy.

[1] Jet turbines are a variant in which the fluid flow is created within
the mechanism by the release of chemical energy.

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Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403546 is a reply to message #403545] Sat, 02 January 2021 11:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In <20210102155501.8d68f103fec1793d8440bf2f@eircom.net> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:

> On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 17:17:37 +0200
> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:

>> Rotating turbines are not generating anything, right?

> Correct! Turbines[1] are devices for converting fluid flow into
> rotational motion and are often used to transfer kinetic energy from
> flowing water or steam to the shaft of an alternator which then transfers
> that kinetic energy into electrical energy.

> [1] Jet turbines are a variant in which the fluid flow is created within
> the mechanism by the release of chemical energy.

well, there's always the nuclear -> steam -> turbine deal,

Just five years away!

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Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403547 is a reply to message #403544] Sat, 02 January 2021 11:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: maus

On 2021-01-02, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2 Jan 2021 11:26:36 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>> On 2021-01-01, antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl <antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl> wrote:
>>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>> On 2020-12-31, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > On 31 Dec 2020 18:47:15 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>> >>On 2020-12-31, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 11:22:37 -0500, J. Clarke
>>>> >>><jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> after the war, and supplied those things to various governments,
>> including the Irish, which used them.
>>
>> There is the story that the british destroyed their bombes at wars end.
>> Why?.. destroying them meant that the Briotish never caught up with the
>> Americans in developing Computers.
>>
>> (I am also aware that many of those who worked at Enigma decryption went
>> on to work at general development. )
>>
>> At the present time I would think that there is no reason to bother much
>> with encryptation, as the various government can read such messages
>> easily
>
> One time pads. I see mention of them from time to time on historical
> methods documentaries. And whatever those number stations are. Yes,
> they still exist.
>
>

I think it was in one of Neil Stephonson books that I read a story of
how the germens noticed a pattern in one time pads, and the story leaked
back to England, where a check was made, and it was discovered that the
lady involved in writing them showed a fondness for some numbers. It
seems to be very hard to produce really random numbers. I believe that
there are stores of one time pad crypted messages from even the
Eisenhower years that have not been broken.


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Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403548 is a reply to message #403546] Sat, 02 January 2021 12:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 16:29:54 +0000 (UTC)
danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:

> In <20210102155501.8d68f103fec1793d8440bf2f@eircom.net> Ahem A Rivet's
> Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 17:17:37 +0200
>> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>
>>> Rotating turbines are not generating anything, right?
>
>> Correct! Turbines[1] are devices for converting fluid flow into
>> rotational motion and are often used to transfer kinetic energy from
>> flowing water or steam to the shaft of an alternator which then transfers
>> that kinetic energy into electrical energy.
>
>> [1] Jet turbines are a variant in which the fluid flow is created within
>> the mechanism by the release of chemical energy.
>
> well, there's always the nuclear -> steam -> turbine deal,
>
> Just five years away!

Huh ? That's what nuclear power stations have always used -
sometimes with liquid sodium as a heat exchange between reactor and steam
which I always thought to be a hair raising concept.

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Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403550 is a reply to message #403536] Sat, 02 January 2021 12:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 17:17:37 +0200, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Dec 2020, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> That is what Tesla was pushing. If you mean some scheme other than
>> Tesla's what do you have in mind, specifically?
>
> No. Energy transfer was what Tesla was talking about. Energy that can be
> converted to electricity. Different things.

He was? Please quote him on that. And show a device that he produced
that exmplified "energy transfer" and was not electrical in nature.

>> Of course there is "energy transfer". You think that generators
>> create energy from nothing? You might want to take a thermodynamics
>> course.
>
> Wind, water current etc are not _energy_ ...

They are not energy but they contain energy.

> Generators are creating
> _electricity_ ... and nothing can be created out of nothing ...

Your point being?

> If wind, water current etc was indeed "energy", then you would not need
> strator and rotor in your generator now, wouldn't you?

Yes, you would. A generator convertes energy input as shaft work to
energy output as electicity and small amount of heat.

> Rotating turbines are not generating anything, right?

They are converting the kinetic energy of a fluid to shaft work.

I am curious--have you ever taken an introductory physics course?
Re: Grid capacity was: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403551 is a reply to message #403546] Sat, 02 January 2021 12:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 16:29:54 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
<dannyb@panix.com> wrote:

> In <20210102155501.8d68f103fec1793d8440bf2f@eircom.net> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 17:17:37 +0200
>> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>
>>> Rotating turbines are not generating anything, right?
>
>> Correct! Turbines[1] are devices for converting fluid flow into
>> rotational motion and are often used to transfer kinetic energy from
>> flowing water or steam to the shaft of an alternator which then transfers
>> that kinetic energy into electrical energy.
>
>> [1] Jet turbines are a variant in which the fluid flow is created within
>> the mechanism by the release of chemical energy.
>
> well, there's always the nuclear -> steam -> turbine deal,
>
> Just five years away!

Are you posting from 1945?
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403552 is a reply to message #403531] Sat, 02 January 2021 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 06:02:37 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 16:58:00 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 13:04:14 -0700, Peter Flass
>>>> > <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>> Or five times a more reasonable estimate meaning that a 20%
>>>> >>> increase would cover it - which doesn't sound unreasonable even if you
>>>> >>> push it to 30% and have people averaging 50 miles a day.
>>>> >
>>>> > Why is it an unreasonable estimate? Usage on electric cars is
>>>> > different from gas cars. Instead of going to the gas station every so
>>>> > often, people come home and plug in. So every afternoon every car
>>>> > that was used for a daily commute will be plugged in and hit the grid.
>>>>
>>>> And while you're shopping, many malls provide a charging station. For
>>>> most people, unless they live in the Death Valley or other very remote
>>>> areas, driving an EV should not cause fears anymore "running out of juice".
>>>
>>> I’ve seen a few charging stations, but IME just a few in a parking lot big
>>> enough for hundreds of cars. It’s ALMOST like no one in government has
>>> thought this thru.
>>
>> I'm not aware the government has anything to do with charging stations.
>> I thought I just read about a new station with 73 stalls, but all
>> I could find is this one with 56 stalls:
>>
>> https://electrek.co/2020/09/15/tesla-building-new-worlds-lar gest-supercharger-station/
>>
>> I've seen charging stations along the NJ Garden State Parkway. That's not the
>> government either.
>>
>> The government provides a tax incentive:
>>
>> Federal Tax Credits
>>
>> The federal government provides a substantial tax credit for new battery
>> electric and plug-in hybrid EVs, ranging from $2,500 - $7,500, depending
>> on the capacity of the EV's battery.
>>
>> Of course we all know the government provides incentives to the gas
>> industry too.
>>
>>
>
> Government’s part should be to develop a plan that takes into account all
> aspects of a conversion to mostly EVs. Maybe I’m just not up on the
> literature, but someone should figure out how many charging stations are
> needed, where they’re needed, and how they are going to be powered, and how
> they’re hoing to be indtalled and paid for.

Why is this the job of government? I don't notice government building
gas stations (leaving aside the ones on military bases and the like)
and yet there are many of them within 10 miles of where I live and few
areas in the US that do not have one within easy driving distance.

> Before EVs can be widely used in a particular area there have to be enough
> stations.

Actually they don't. The thing about an EV is that it does not need a
commercial "station" for normal operation. I have never charged my EV
at a commercial station. My employer provides a charger at work, I
have one at home, I charge it using one or the other or both of those.

> They also have to be accessible from the interstates. I have
> driven cross-country several times, and some parts are pretty sparsely
> inhabited.

This is already dealt with to some extent. There are more than 1000
Tesla supercharger stations in the US with a total of over 20,000
chargers, and there are more than 20,000 commercial EV charging
stations overall, with more to come. However a Supercharger still
needs an hour to charge and most of the other charging stations take 8
hours or so.

> In a day’s drive I’d have to be able to recharge at least once
> en route. This assumes the motel has a charger available per room for an
> overnight charge. I’m not going to take a long trip unless I know charging
> is as quick and convenient as getting gas.
>
> I also keep bringing up,the problem of condo/apartment dwellers. I don’t
> have a garage, and where I am there is no on-street parking or meters.

This is a real concern. This is one place where government might have
a role, requiring owners of apartment building and the like to provide
chargers.

Understand though that a charger is nothing particular special. It's
a box you get off of Amazon for a couple of hundred bucks and can be
plugged into an extension cord. It's not "supposed" to be used that
way but it nonetheless works fine.

> I
> don’t work, so, I can’t recharge there. Installing chargers at every
> parking place would be fantastically expensive for any expected return.
> When I shop, assuming there was an available charger, I’m not usually in
> the store long enough.

I'm not sure if it would be "fantastically expensive" or not, but
somebody should run the numbers.
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403553 is a reply to message #403534] Sat, 02 January 2021 13:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 08:50:01 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> > On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 16:58:00 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 13:04:14 -0700, Peter Flass
>>>> >> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> Or five times a more reasonable estimate meaning that a 20%
>>>> >>>> increase would cover it - which doesn't sound unreasonable even if you
>>>> >>>> push it to 30% and have people averaging 50 miles a day.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Why is it an unreasonable estimate? Usage on electric cars is
>>>> >> different from gas cars. Instead of going to the gas station every so
>>>> >> often, people come home and plug in. So every afternoon every car
>>>> >> that was used for a daily commute will be plugged in and hit the grid.
>>>> >
>>>> > And while you're shopping, many malls provide a charging station. For
>>>> > most people, unless they live in the Death Valley or other very remote
>>>> > areas, driving an EV should not cause fears anymore "running out of juice".
>>>>
>>>> I’ve seen a few charging stations, but IME just a few in a parking lot big
>>>> enough for hundreds of cars. It’s ALMOST like no one in government has
>>>> thought this thru.
>>>
>>> I'm not aware the government has anything to do with charging stations.
>>> I thought I just read about a new station with 73 stalls, but all
>>> I could find is this one with 56 stalls:
>>>
>>> https://electrek.co/2020/09/15/tesla-building-new-worlds-lar gest-supercharger-station/
>>>
>>> I've seen charging stations along the NJ Garden State Parkway. That's not the
>>> government either.
>>>
>>> The government provides a tax incentive:
>>>
>>> Federal Tax Credits
>>>
>>> The federal government provides a substantial tax credit for new battery
>>> electric and plug-in hybrid EVs, ranging from $2,500 - $7,500, depending
>>> on the capacity of the EV's battery.
>>>
>>> Of course we all know the government provides incentives to the gas
>>> industry too.
>>
>> Government’s part should be to develop a plan that takes into account all
>> aspects of a conversion to mostly EVs. Maybe I’m just not up on the
>> literature, but someone should figure out how many charging stations are
>> needed, where they’re needed, and how they are going to be powered, and how
>> they’re hoing to be indtalled and paid for.
>
> Not sure I agree.
>
>> Before EVs can be widely used in a particular area there have to be enough
>> stations. They also have to be accessible from the interstates. I have
>> driven cross-country several times, and some parts are pretty sparsely
>> inhabited. In a day’s drive I’d have to be able to recharge at least once
>> en route. This assumes the motel has a charger available per room for an
>> overnight charge. I’m not going to take a long trip unless I know charging
>> is as quick and convenient as getting gas.
>>
>> I also keep bringing up,the problem of condo/apartment dwellers. I don’t
>> have a garage, and where I am there is no on-street parking or meters. I
>> don’t work, so, I can’t recharge there. Installing chargers at every
>> parking place would be fantastically expensive for any expected return.
>> When I shop, assuming there was an available charger, I’m not usually in
>> the store long enough.
>
> Sounds like you want to have the government plan things instead of
> what we are doing now, letting the free market do the planning.
> Tesla knew it had to have a certain number of chargers around in order
> to sell cars. If they want to sell more cars, they need more chargers.
>
> For apartment dwellers, the self driving vehicle may come into play.
> You get out of the car and it goes and finds it's charger.

This is a good point. Could also deal with on-street-parking bans--it
goes off and drives around during the banned period.

> I've read about people taking cross country trips in their Teslas.
> It sounds like it's quite easy.

For me it would be annoying--driving cross-country I'm generally
driving to get somewhere, not driving for the sake of driving, and
those hour-long pitstops would be a pain.

> The car tells you how much charge you
> have and where you should go next for your charge. Except for the
> longer stay at the charging point, it sounds even easier than it is
> for a gas vehicle. It's certainly easier if you are heading to
> a hotel/motel for the night. Instead of having to go to a gas station
> then the motel, it directs you to a motel with a charging station.
> One stop instead of 2.

This assumes that there is such a motel in a reasonably accessible
location.

> I still don't accept that having lots of street chargers is
> fantastically expensive. This will be done over a long period of time.
> California's plan sets 2035 as the goal year. When I hear plans like
> this I know some people see doom. I figure if there are problems,
> the plan changes. Just a question of outlook I suppose.

The problem with California is that they don't have enough electrical
capacity for the existing load (of course they sell this as an "energy
shortage" instead of admitting that the real problem is that the
government's head is up its butt in the matter of licensing new power
plants).
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403554 is a reply to message #403537] Sat, 02 January 2021 13:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 17:20:36 +0200, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020, John Levine wrote:
>
>> Oy, veh.
>
> Science denier called in.
>
>> Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies"
>
> Yes, indeed you are. But that's ok, Internet is also for dummies like you.

<plonk>
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403555 is a reply to message #403538] Sat, 02 January 2021 13:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 17:26:16 +0200, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Dec 2020, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> I don't see any reason to beat her or anybody else up over this. I
>> believed a bunch of stupid crap when I was 15 that my parents did not
>> agree with.
>
> I'm not beating her. She is just poor victim of abuse and should be helped
> in anyway and those who do that to her should be put in jail!

Yeah, jail people for their political beliefs. Where have I heard
that before?

>> Interesting researchers. Do they have any street cred in climatology?
>
> Do you apply this kind of sceptical thought also to others?

Yes.

> Like one
> high-school dropout patent office clerk that stole everything from
> everyone else?

Who woudl that be?

> This fuzzy-haired crackpot was only person to get Nikola
> Tesla wound up to the degree that he called him "fuzzy-haired crackpot",
> which was very much not normal to him.

So? Tesla was something of a crackpot himself.

> Btw, "einstein" -> "one stone" -> slang for a fool/stupid/etc.

Oh, you mean Einstein. Sorry, but he earned his doctorate in 1905,
about the same time he was writing the four papers that made him
famous.

As to his "stealing everything from everyone else", please provide
texts prior to Einstein that explained brownian motion, the
photoelectric effect, special relativity, and the mass-energy
equivalence.

Oh, and we don't accept these things because Einstein said them. We
accept them because they have passed every test yet set for them.
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 08:50:01 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I've read about people taking cross country trips in their Teslas.
>> It sounds like it's quite easy.
>
> For me it would be annoying--driving cross-country I'm generally
> driving to get somewhere, not driving for the sake of driving, and
> those hour-long pitstops would be a pain.

An hour is just about right, Google says 50 minutes.

You might find it interesting to watch one of the many YouTube videos.

On long drives it's not unusual for me to stop at a rest stop
buy some apples and eat them while driving. I often loose a few pounds
in the process. An EV would get me to sit down in a real restaurant
which would probably be a better plan.

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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 13:40:30 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 08:50:01 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I've read about people taking cross country trips in their Teslas.
>>> It sounds like it's quite easy.
>>
>> For me it would be annoying--driving cross-country I'm generally
>> driving to get somewhere, not driving for the sake of driving, and
>> those hour-long pitstops would be a pain.
>
> An hour is just about right, Google says 50 minutes.
>
> You might find it interesting to watch one of the many YouTube videos.
>
> On long drives it's not unusual for me to stop at a rest stop
> buy some apples and eat them while driving. I often loose a few pounds
> in the process. An EV would get me to sit down in a real restaurant
> which would probably be a better plan.

I tend to just hit a fast food place.
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On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 11:26:36 +0000, maus wrote:

> I have heard that why the weakness of the Enigmas was hiddent for so
> many years was that a company in Switzerland made and sold Enigmas
> after the war, and supplied those things to various governments,
> including the Irish, which used them.

The Swiss machines from Crypto AG were not versions of Enigma.

A sometime poster to this newsgroup did some work on cracking
them:

<https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/crypt.html>
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In article <slrnrv0m3c.pkf.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> I have heard that why the weakness of the Enigmas was hiddent for so
> many years was that a company in Switzerland made and sold Enigmas
> after the war, and supplied those things to various governments,
> including the Irish, which used them.

Yes, the Bletchly stuff was quite well hidden until the 1970s.

> There is the story that the british destroyed their bombes at wars end.
> Why?.. destroying them meant that the Briotish never caught up with the
> Americans in developing Computers.

Dunno who's telling that story, but it's nonsense. For one thing, the
bombes weren't computers. They were high speed electromechanical
versions of the Enigma machines. The Colossus machines, built next
door to crack the Lorenz cipher, were arguably computers. They
destroyed those too, but that didn't hurt the UK's computer
development.

Look at the 1940s Manchester machines and Turing's ACE. The British
were doing work as good as anyone in the 1940s and 1950s. They got
left behind due to poor business decisions, not poor technology.


> At the present time I would think that there is no reason to bother much
> with encryptation, as the various government can read such messages
> easily

Uh, no. The phone in your pocket can encrypt material with ciphers
nobody can break. There's been a good deal of political posturing
about that.

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In article <rsqemu$1hs$1@dont-email.me> you write:
> On long drives it's not unusual for me to stop at a rest stop
> buy some apples and eat them while driving. I often loose a few pounds
> in the process.

Hm. Sounds messy and potentially fairly unpleasant.

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In <20210102170828.11c34674a8b30f337fc5bb3a@eircom.net> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:

> On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 16:29:54 +0000 (UTC)
> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:

>> well, there's always the nuclear -> steam -> turbine deal,
>>
>> Just five years away!

> Huh ? That's what nuclear power stations have always used -
> sometimes with liquid sodium as a heat exchange between reactor and steam
> which I always thought to be a hair raising concept.

Wait, what? You mean something promised via press release
back in the 1940's actually worked out?


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John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

> In article <rsqemu$1hs$1@dont-email.me> you write:
>> On long drives it's not unusual for me to stop at a rest stop
>> buy some apples and eat them while driving. I often loose a few pounds
>> in the process.
>
> Hm. Sounds messy and potentially fairly unpleasant.

Well, apples or bananas so I don't leave crumbs everywhere.
Also plastic bag to hold the remains. So, not too messy.

Not sure what's unpleasant about it.
I don't really enjoy sitting in a fast food place.

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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 19:13:05 -0000 (UTC), John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
wrote:

> In article <slrnrv0m3c.pkf.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>> I have heard that why the weakness of the Enigmas was hiddent for so
>> many years was that a company in Switzerland made and sold Enigmas
>> after the war, and supplied those things to various governments,
>> including the Irish, which used them.
>
> Yes, the Bletchly stuff was quite well hidden until the 1970s.
>
>> There is the story that the british destroyed their bombes at wars end.
>> Why?.. destroying them meant that the Briotish never caught up with the
>> Americans in developing Computers.
>
> Dunno who's telling that story, but it's nonsense. For one thing, the
> bombes weren't computers. They were high speed electromechanical
> versions of the Enigma machines. The Colossus machines, built next
> door to crack the Lorenz cipher, were arguably computers. They
> destroyed those too, but that didn't hurt the UK's computer
> development.
>
> Look at the 1940s Manchester machines and Turing's ACE. The British
> were doing work as good as anyone in the 1940s and 1950s. They got
> left behind due to poor business decisions, not poor technology.
>
>
>> At the present time I would think that there is no reason to bother much
>> with encryptation, as the various government can read such messages
>> easily
>
> Uh, no. The phone in your pocket can encrypt material with ciphers
> nobody can break. There's been a good deal of political posturing
> about that.

I'm surprised that this is not well known to everybody in this
newsgroup. One of the major incentives for quantum computing is that
in principle it can break current encryption. In practice making it
work is proving to be rather difficult.
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403565 is a reply to message #403563] Sat, 02 January 2021 14:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 14:43:42 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
>
>> In article <rsqemu$1hs$1@dont-email.me> you write:
>>> On long drives it's not unusual for me to stop at a rest stop
>>> buy some apples and eat them while driving. I often loose a few pounds
>>> in the process.
>>
>> Hm. Sounds messy and potentially fairly unpleasant.
>
> Well, apples or bananas so I don't leave crumbs everywhere.
> Also plastic bag to hold the remains. So, not too messy.
>
> Not sure what's unpleasant about it.
> I don't really enjoy sitting in a fast food place.

Why would you do that? They've had drive-through windows since at
least the late '60s.
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 14:43:42 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
>>
>>> In article <rsqemu$1hs$1@dont-email.me> you write:
>>>> On long drives it's not unusual for me to stop at a rest stop
>>>> buy some apples and eat them while driving. I often loose a few pounds
>>>> in the process.
>>>
>>> Hm. Sounds messy and potentially fairly unpleasant.
>>
>> Well, apples or bananas so I don't leave crumbs everywhere.
>> Also plastic bag to hold the remains. So, not too messy.
>>
>> Not sure what's unpleasant about it.
>> I don't really enjoy sitting in a fast food place.
>
> Why would you do that? They've had drive-through windows since at
> least the late '60s.

Yeah, I don't like drive through much either. I don't hear well,
don't know the menu and I'm under pressure to order. Then the food
would make a mess in the car.

My last trip was to find the northern end of Rt 1. I remember I did
stop in a McDonalds. First time in many years. It wasn't bad, but I
wasn't making any progress toward my goal.

I don't know if I mentioned it here, but Rt 1 heads north to the
Canadian border then heads west for quite a distance. So I'm driving
west and all of a sudden I'm no longer on Rt 1. I turn around
to back where I see Rt 1 signs and try again. I couldn't find
anything that marks the end.

The southern end is clearly marked.
I was hoping for a picture of the signage.
It was still an interesting trip.

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On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 11:22:37 -0500, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> You know, that is something that strikes me as weird. Don't get me
> wrong, I like Greta for standing up for what she believes in and
> admire her ability to get people to listen to her. But in what
> universe does a 15 year old know enough about anything other than the
> life of a 15 year old for their opinion to be worth listening to when
> deciding national environmental policy?

You clearly haven't spent much time with 15-year-olds at the upper end of the
bell curve.

Maybe you were a 15-year-old doofus, and maybe you spent most of your time
hanging around with other 15-year-old doofuses. And I have no doubt there are
plenty of 15-year-old doofuses around your woodsy New England home. Not every
15-year-old is a doofus. There are many very intelligent, very knowledgeable
15-year-olds who are also driven by the passion of youth.

I'd much sooner listen to Greta on the subject of climate change than some
random programmer on Usenet.
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On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 08:50:01 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> For apartment dwellers, the self driving vehicle may come into play.
> You get out of the car and it goes and finds it's charger.

That kind of self-driving car is a pipe dream. We won't see them in our life
time. Barring radical changes across the entire transportation infrastructure,
self-driving vehicles will only be viable in limited, closed environments.
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403569 is a reply to message #403565] Sat, 02 January 2021 15:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Thomas Koenig

J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> schrieb:
> On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 14:43:42 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
>>
>>> In article <rsqemu$1hs$1@dont-email.me> you write:
>>>> On long drives it's not unusual for me to stop at a rest stop
>>>> buy some apples and eat them while driving. I often loose a few pounds
>>>> in the process.
>>>
>>> Hm. Sounds messy and potentially fairly unpleasant.
>>
>> Well, apples or bananas so I don't leave crumbs everywhere.
>> Also plastic bag to hold the remains. So, not too messy.
>>
>> Not sure what's unpleasant about it.
>> I don't really enjoy sitting in a fast food place.
>
> Why would you do that? They've had drive-through windows since at
> least the late '60s.

Why would you want to drive through a window?
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On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 19:42:53 +0000 (UTC)
danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:

> In <20210102170828.11c34674a8b30f337fc5bb3a@eircom.net> Ahem A Rivet's
> Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 16:29:54 +0000 (UTC)
>> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>> well, there's always the nuclear -> steam -> turbine deal,
>>>
>>> Just five years away!
>
>> Huh ? That's what nuclear power stations have always used -
>> sometimes with liquid sodium as a heat exchange between reactor and steam
>> which I always thought to be a hair raising concept.
>
> Wait, what? You mean something promised via press release
> back in the 1940's actually worked out?

Yes but the 1950s cost projections turned out to be optimistic.

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usenet@only.tnx (Questor) writes:

> On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 08:50:01 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> For apartment dwellers, the self driving vehicle may come into play.
>> You get out of the car and it goes and finds it's charger.
>
> That kind of self-driving car is a pipe dream. We won't see them in our life
> time. Barring radical changes across the entire transportation infrastructure,
> self-driving vehicles will only be viable in limited, closed environments.

Time will tell.

Leaving a parking space, probably in the wee hours for a charging
station and returning could be a special case. Maybe a single
station at the end of the block and nothing but EVs in a long parked
line?

I know it's a hard problem.

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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 15:17:11 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 14:43:42 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> In article <rsqemu$1hs$1@dont-email.me> you write:
>>>> >On long drives it's not unusual for me to stop at a rest stop
>>>> >buy some apples and eat them while driving. I often loose a few pounds
>>>> >in the process.
>>>>
>>>> Hm. Sounds messy and potentially fairly unpleasant.
>>>
>>> Well, apples or bananas so I don't leave crumbs everywhere.
>>> Also plastic bag to hold the remains. So, not too messy.
>>>
>>> Not sure what's unpleasant about it.
>>> I don't really enjoy sitting in a fast food place.
>>
>> Why would you do that? They've had drive-through windows since at
>> least the late '60s.
>
> Yeah, I don't like drive through much either. I don't hear well,
> don't know the menu and I'm under pressure to order.

There are three chains you are likely to deal with--McDonalds, Burger
King, and Wendys. There are other regional chains but in the US you
can pretty much count on those three. Taco Bell is also ubiquitous
but their food is not driving-friendly. Memorize an order for each
and you're set. "Quarter Pounder with Cheese, medium fries and large
coke", "Cheese Whopper no onion or pickle with mediumn fries and large
coke", and "Son of baconator with medium fries and large coke" should
cover you.

And you basically have one bag, one cup, and whatever fries you drop
to clean up.

> Then the food
> would make a mess in the car.
>
> My last trip was to find the northern end of Rt 1. I remember I did
> stop in a McDonalds. First time in many years. It wasn't bad, but I
> wasn't making any progress toward my goal.
>
> I don't know if I mentioned it here, but Rt 1 heads north to the
> Canadian border then heads west for quite a distance. So I'm driving
> west and all of a sudden I'm no longer on Rt 1. I turn around
> to back where I see Rt 1 signs and try again. I couldn't find
> anything that marks the end.
>
> The southern end is clearly marked.
> I was hoping for a picture of the signage.
> It was still an interesting trip.

If you want to have some fun of that nature some time, have the GPS
take you somewhere a good distance off avoiding highways. My favorite
there is the time that it took me down a nice residential street, that
turned into a road of increasing degrees of roughness, and on to
broken pavement, and dirt, and finally a cowpath that led to a fence
with a hole cut in it. I was on a dual-sport, I could have gone
through the fence, but the bull in the pasture and the rather glum
looking farmer with a shotgun were significant deterrents.
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 15:51:53 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

> usenet@only.tnx (Questor) writes:
>
>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 08:50:01 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> For apartment dwellers, the self driving vehicle may come into play.
>>> You get out of the car and it goes and finds it's charger.
>>
>> That kind of self-driving car is a pipe dream. We won't see them in our life
>> time. Barring radical changes across the entire transportation infrastructure,
>> self-driving vehicles will only be viable in limited, closed environments.
>
> Time will tell.
>
> Leaving a parking space, probably in the wee hours for a charging
> station and returning could be a special case. Maybe a single
> station at the end of the block and nothing but EVs in a long parked
> line?
>
> I know it's a hard problem.

I think you might find it interesting to spend some time on Youtube
searching on "Tesla Autopilot" and "Tesla Autopark" and "Tesla
Summon". You might want to append "2020" so you get what the current
technology is doing. It seems like every Tesla owner makes a video
showing off what the car can do at some point so there's a lot out
there.

This is not nearly as far off as you might think. A Tesla can handle
itself pretty well on a highway, navigating from on-ramp to off-ramp
with no driver input, changing lanes, passing, the whole nine yards.
It's not perfect, you have to keep an eye on it, but it does amazingly
well at that. On surface streets it's still stupid--it stops at every
light, not just the red ones, for example, but that will likely be
much better in a couple of years.

One thing it can do is navigate itself around a parking lot. You
can't tell it to go park itself yet, but you can tell it to detect a
parking space as you drive past, and to park itself once you're happy
with the space it found.

Another thing it can do is pull out of a parking space, even in a
crowded lot, and drive to a location specified by whoever is
controlling the app. It does that slowly and hesitantly but it does
do it.
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> If you want to have some fun of that nature some time, have the GPS
> take you somewhere a good distance off avoiding highways. My favorite
> there is the time that it took me down a nice residential street, that
> turned into a road of increasing degrees of roughness, and on to
> broken pavement, and dirt, and finally a cowpath that led to a fence
> with a hole cut in it. I was on a dual-sport, I could have gone
> through the fence, but the bull in the pasture and the rather glum
> looking farmer with a shotgun were significant deterrents.

I had a similar experience.
This time I was exploring Vermont.

I was using the GPS to get me to the next town.
The GPS lead me though some rural roads and eventually up someones
driveway into the woods where the road stopped completely.

So I tried to use the GPS to get back on a major road
where it lead me around in circles.

Eventually I stopped and took a good look at the display.
Turned out the whole valley I was in had no signal.
Why it was leading me down roads I have no idea.

It was sort of fun but I was low on gas.

Vermont is a beautiful state.

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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 19:46:12 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> If you want to have some fun of that nature some time, have the GPS
>> take you somewhere a good distance off avoiding highways. My favorite
>> there is the time that it took me down a nice residential street, that
>> turned into a road of increasing degrees of roughness, and on to
>> broken pavement, and dirt, and finally a cowpath that led to a fence
>> with a hole cut in it. I was on a dual-sport, I could have gone
>> through the fence, but the bull in the pasture and the rather glum
>> looking farmer with a shotgun were significant deterrents.
>
> I had a similar experience.
> This time I was exploring Vermont.
>
> I was using the GPS to get me to the next town.
> The GPS lead me though some rural roads and eventually up someones
> driveway into the woods where the road stopped completely.
>
> So I tried to use the GPS to get back on a major road
> where it lead me around in circles.
>
> Eventually I stopped and took a good look at the display.
> Turned out the whole valley I was in had no signal.
> Why it was leading me down roads I have no idea.
>
> It was sort of fun but I was low on gas.
>
> Vermont is a beautiful state.

Sometimes GPS does amazing things. I asked it to take me to the
nearest gas station in Quebec. So after driving endlessly, I see the
gas station. Someone is refueling a Cessna.

That same trip, when I was ready to go home I told it to take me home.
Well, I'm sitting here in the rightmost lane of a 4 lane highway and
it tells me to turn left. Turning left would have involved one lane
of traffic the same direction I'm going, two lanes of oncoming
traffic, two guardrails, and a chain-link fence. And after I got
through that it would be up a steep embankment, another chain-link
fence, and another guardrail before I got to anything resembling
another road.

Of course that was Garmin, not Google--I suspect that Google maps are
much more current, although they seem to persistently refer to the
capitol of Connecticut as "Hartford Court".
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403581 is a reply to message #403565] Sat, 02 January 2021 22:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Levine is currently offline  John Levine
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In article <mrj1vflblgkji81p32aajf89hqf56b0rou@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> In article <rsqemu$1hs$1@dont-email.me> you write:
>>>> On long drives it's not unusual for me to stop at a rest stop
>>>> buy some apples and eat them while driving. I often loose a few pounds
>>>> in the process.
>>>
>>> Hm. Sounds messy and potentially fairly unpleasant.
>>
>> Well, apples or bananas so I don't leave crumbs everywhere.
>> Also plastic bag to hold the remains. So, not too messy.
>>
>> Not sure what's unpleasant about it.

After you set the pounds loose, where do they go?

Oh, LOSE a few pounds. "Never mind."

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Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403586 is a reply to message #403581] Sat, 02 January 2021 23:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

> In article <mrj1vflblgkji81p32aajf89hqf56b0rou@4ax.com>,
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <rsqemu$1hs$1@dont-email.me> you write:
>>>> >On long drives it's not unusual for me to stop at a rest stop
>>>> >buy some apples and eat them while driving. I often loose a few pounds
>>>> >in the process.
>>>>
>>>> Hm. Sounds messy and potentially fairly unpleasant.
>>>
>>> Well, apples or bananas so I don't leave crumbs everywhere.
>>> Also plastic bag to hold the remains. So, not too messy.
>>>
>>> Not sure what's unpleasant about it.
>
> After you set the pounds loose, where do they go?
>
> Oh, LOSE a few pounds. "Never mind."

You know I looked at that word, thought to myself, I'm I using the right
spelling, then I thought about something else.

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Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403587 is a reply to message #403428] Sat, 02 January 2021 23:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 12:35:32 -0600, JimP <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Climate changes whether you believe it does or not.

Climate also changes whether you wave dead chickens and shout mantras
or not.

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Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403588 is a reply to message #403586] Sat, 02 January 2021 23:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 23:11:39 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
>
>> In article <mrj1vflblgkji81p32aajf89hqf56b0rou@4ax.com>,
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > In article <rsqemu$1hs$1@dont-email.me> you write:
>>>> >>On long drives it's not unusual for me to stop at a rest stop
>>>> >>buy some apples and eat them while driving. I often loose a few pounds
>>>> >>in the process.
>>>> >
>>>> > Hm. Sounds messy and potentially fairly unpleasant.
>>>>
>>>> Well, apples or bananas so I don't leave crumbs everywhere.
>>>> Also plastic bag to hold the remains. So, not too messy.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure what's unpleasant about it.
>>
>> After you set the pounds loose, where do they go?
>>
>> Oh, LOSE a few pounds. "Never mind."
>
> You know I looked at that word, thought to myself, I'm I using the right
> spelling, then I thought about something else.

If they loose the Kraken, you lose.
Re: car charging, was: Adobe oddity? [message #403595 is a reply to message #403567] Sun, 03 January 2021 06:50 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Originally posted by: maus

On 2021-01-02, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 11:22:37 -0500, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You know, that is something that strikes me as weird. Don't get me
>> wrong, I like Greta for standing up for what she believes in and
>> admire her ability to get people to listen to her. But in what
>> universe does a 15 year old know enough about anything other than the
>> life of a 15 year old for their opinion to be worth listening to when
>> deciding national environmental policy?
>
> You clearly haven't spent much time with 15-year-olds at the upper end of the
> bell curve.
>
> Maybe you were a 15-year-old doofus, and maybe you spent most of your time
> hanging around with other 15-year-old doofuses. And I have no doubt there are
> plenty of 15-year-old doofuses around your woodsy New England home. Not every
> 15-year-old is a doofus. There are many very intelligent, very knowledgeable
> 15-year-olds who are also driven by the passion of youth.
>
> I'd much sooner listen to Greta on the subject of climate change than some
> random programmer on Usenet.
>
>

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