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| Re: We don't need no stinkin' computers! [message #399895 is a reply to message #399880] |
Fri, 11 September 2020 19:36   |
Mike Spencer
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hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
> On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 3:06:08 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
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>> <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
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>>> The following can replace your computer!
>>>
>>> High grade pencil that cuddles in your hand
>>> https://books.google.com/books?id=3DL04EAAAAMBAJ&lpg=3DP A99&dq=3Dlife%20ticonderoga&pg=3DPA99#v=3Donepage&am p;q&f=3Dfalse
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>> Unfortunately there seem to be a lot of those "inferior pencils"
>> around. I have some now.
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> I use Ticonderoga pencils. They're great and write smoother and
> easier than other brands.
I was shocked, as a new-comer to Canada (over 50 years ago), that the
default pencil was HB, not 2B. It was called to my attention when
someone actually sneered at my 2B pencil. I gather children are told
that softer pencils are smeary & untidy. At present, I buy 2B pencils
from Lee Valley under their own marque, "Made in Gt. Britain". All
that could be asked of a good pencil.
>>> Keep your office nice and warm with bituminous coal heat
>>> https://archive.org/details/Nations-Business-1953-08/page/n2 4/mode/1up
Sitting by a wood-fired stove as I write. Warming it up to bake a
blueberry pie. Advantage of a home office.
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Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| Re: We don't need no stinkin' computers! [message #399906 is a reply to message #399896] |
Sat, 12 September 2020 04:52 |
Jorgen Grahn
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On Sat, 2020-09-12, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
....
>> I was shocked, as a new-comer to Canada (over 50 years ago), that the
>> default pencil was HB, not 2B. It was called to my attention when
>> someone actually sneered at my 2B pencil. I gather children are told
>> that softer pencils are smeary & untidy. At present, I buy 2B pencils
>> from Lee Valley under their own marque, "Made in Gt. Britain". All
>> that could be asked of a good pencil.
>
> Wow. I grew up (in the US) on 2H.
What's right must depend a lot on the paper.
I have a cube of small square papers intended for grocery lists and so
on -- like Post-Its but without the glue. These are however ... not
/glossy/ but very smooth. Almost useless with a HB pencil.
/Jorgen
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// Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . .
\X/ snipabacken.se> O o .
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| Re: We don't need no stinkin' computers! [message #399914 is a reply to message #399906] |
Sat, 12 September 2020 09:16 |
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Originally posted by: drb
> I have a cube of small square papers intended for grocery lists and so
> on -- like Post-Its but without the glue. These are however ... not
> /glossy/ but very smooth. Almost useless with a HB pencil.
One characteristic of paper is its "tooth". Paying attention to
this is more common for artists than other users.
De
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| Re: We don't need no stinkin' computers! [message #399925 is a reply to message #399906] |
Sat, 12 September 2020 16:22 |
Mike Spencer
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Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> writes:
> On Sat, 2020-09-12, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
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>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
> ...
>>> I was shocked, as a new-comer to Canada (over 50 years ago), that the
>>> default pencil was HB, not 2B. It was called to my attention when
>>> someone actually sneered at my 2B pencil. I gather children are told
>>> that softer pencils are smeary & untidy. At present, I buy 2B pencils
>>> from Lee Valley under their own marque, "Made in Gt. Britain". All
>>> that could be asked of a good pencil.
>>
>> Wow. I grew up (in the US) on 2H.
Must be regional then. What part of US? I did elementary school in
rural New Hampshire and the rest in urban Massachusetts. Don't think
I ever even saw an HB or xH until near the end of high school or
later.
> What's right must depend a lot on the paper.
My elementary school was very parsimonious with paper. Mostly used
stuff only a couple of steps better than newsprint. A sharp HB or 2H
would tend to rip holes. They had to issue slightly better paper in
the 3rd grade when we were issued dip pens, allowed to have filled ink
wells and taught to write with ink. Yeah, yeah, I'm an old guy.
Remember hectograph?
> I have a cube of small square papers intended for grocery lists and so
> on -- like Post-Its but without the glue. These are however ... not
> /glossy/ but very smooth. Almost useless with a HB pencil.
Post-Its work fine with a 2B. Can't check an HB as whenever one turns
up by happenstance I throw it away. :-)
--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
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| Re: We don't need no stinkin' computers! [message #399926 is a reply to message #399895] |
Sat, 12 September 2020 17:04 |
Charlie Gibbs
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Registered: January 2012
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On 2020-09-11, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
> I was shocked, as a new-comer to Canada (over 50 years ago), that the
> default pencil was HB, not 2B. It was called to my attention when
> someone actually sneered at my 2B pencil. I gather children are told
> that softer pencils are smeary & untidy. At present, I buy 2B pencils
> from Lee Valley under their own marque, "Made in Gt. Britain". All
> that could be asked of a good pencil.
I always liked the classification given in Winnie-the-Pooh:
When Pooh saw what it was, he nearly fell down,
he was so pleased. It was a Special Pencil Case.
There were pencils in it marked "B" for Bear, and
pencils marked "HB" for Helping Bear, and pencils
marked "BB" for Brave Bear.
I guess that makes you a Brave Bear.
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/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| Re: We don't need no stinkin' computers! [message #399927 is a reply to message #399925] |
Sat, 12 September 2020 17:10 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2020-09-12, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>> Wow. I grew up (in the US) on 2H.
>
> Must be regional then. What part of US? I did elementary school in
> rural New Hampshire and the rest in urban Massachusetts. Don't think
> I ever even saw an HB or xH until near the end of high school or
> later.
Here on the Wet Coast HB is standard, although you can get the others.
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/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.
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| Re: We don't need no stinkin' computers! [message #399928 is a reply to message #399925] |
Sat, 12 September 2020 17:24 |
Peter Flass
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Registered: December 2011
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Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
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> Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> writes:
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>> On Sat, 2020-09-12, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
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>>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
>> ...
>>>> I was shocked, as a new-comer to Canada (over 50 years ago), that the
>>>> default pencil was HB, not 2B. It was called to my attention when
>>>> someone actually sneered at my 2B pencil. I gather children are told
>>>> that softer pencils are smeary & untidy. At present, I buy 2B pencils
>>>> from Lee Valley under their own marque, "Made in Gt. Britain". All
>>>> that could be asked of a good pencil.
>>>
>>> Wow. I grew up (in the US) on 2H.
>
> Must be regional then. What part of US? I did elementary school in
> rural New Hampshire and the rest in urban Massachusetts. Don't think
> I ever even saw an HB or xH until near the end of high school or
> later.
>
>> What's right must depend a lot on the paper.
>
> My elementary school was very parsimonious with paper. Mostly used
> stuff only a couple of steps better than newsprint. A sharp HB or 2H
> would tend to rip holes. They had to issue slightly better paper in
> the 3rd grade when we were issued dip pens, allowed to have filled ink
> wells and taught to write with ink. Yeah, yeah, I'm an old guy.
> Remember hectograph?
The inkwell and straight pen brings back memories. I think we switched to
fountain pens, but ballpoints weren’t allowed (the ink really smeared).
>
>> I have a cube of small square papers intended for grocery lists and so
>> on -- like Post-Its but without the glue. These are however ... not
>> /glossy/ but very smooth. Almost useless with a HB pencil.
>
> Post-Its work fine with a 2B. Can't check an HB as whenever one turns
> up by happenstance I throw it away. :-)
>
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Pete
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| Re: We don't need no stinkin' computers! [message #399930 is a reply to message #399925] |
Sat, 12 September 2020 17:44 |
Joe Pfeiffer
Messages: 764
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Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
> Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> writes:
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>> On Sat, 2020-09-12, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
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>>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
>> ...
>>>> I was shocked, as a new-comer to Canada (over 50 years ago), that the
>>>> default pencil was HB, not 2B. It was called to my attention when
>>>> someone actually sneered at my 2B pencil. I gather children are told
>>>> that softer pencils are smeary & untidy. At present, I buy 2B pencils
>>>> from Lee Valley under their own marque, "Made in Gt. Britain". All
>>>> that could be asked of a good pencil.
>>>
>>> Wow. I grew up (in the US) on 2H.
>
> Must be regional then. What part of US? I did elementary school in
> rural New Hampshire and the rest in urban Massachusetts. Don't think
> I ever even saw an HB or xH until near the end of high school or
> later.
Seattle suburb.
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| Re: We don't need no stinkin' computers! [message #400103 is a reply to message #399928] |
Wed, 16 September 2020 14:01 |
hancock4
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On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 5:24:16 PM UTC-4, Peter Flass wrote:
The inkwell and straight pen brings back memories. I think we switched to
> fountain pens, but ballpoints weren’t allowed (the ink really smeared).
When ballpoint pens were introduced after WW II there was
a lot of prejudice against them. They were forbidden
for use in certain areas.
I think by the early 1960s they were perfected enough so
that even a cheap BIC worked very well, and they make
them today.
Also by that point many people had switched over to the
convenience of ball point. Fountain pens could be messy.
Ironically, today, some commonly used papers, like for
copying machines/printer, aren't well suited for fountain
pen ink. Even certain bank forms don't do well with it.
I don't think bankers worry about check forgery as they
once did.
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| Re: We don't need no stinkin' computers! [message #400104 is a reply to message #399925] |
Wed, 16 September 2020 14:03 |
hancock4
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On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 4:23:36 PM UTC-4, Mike Spencer wrote:
> My elementary school was very parsimonious with paper. Mostly used
> stuff only a couple of steps better than newsprint. A sharp HB or 2H
> would tend to rip holes. They had to issue slightly better paper in
> the 3rd grade when we were issued dip pens, allowed to have filled ink
> wells and taught to write with ink. Yeah, yeah, I'm an old guy.
> Remember hectograph?
We used straight newsprint for everyday work, a nicer
grade for tests.
For the computer Teletype, originally we used the standard
yellow paper, but then someone realized for our purposes
newsprint was good enough so they switched. Probably
saved some money given how much we used.
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| Re: We don't need no stinkin' computers! [message #400108 is a reply to message #399914] |
Wed, 16 September 2020 14:21 |
hancock4
Messages: 6746
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On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 9:16:11 AM UTC-4, Dennis Boone wrote:
> One characteristic of paper is its "tooth". Paying attention to
> this is more common for artists than other users.
Once that and other characteristics were very important (see
other post for sample ads).
Apparently, not so important today.
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| Re: We don't need no stinkin' computers! [message #400113 is a reply to message #400108] |
Wed, 16 September 2020 15:00 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:21:21 -0700 (PDT), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 9:16:11 AM UTC-4, Dennis Boone wrote:
>
>> One characteristic of paper is its "tooth". Paying attention to
>> this is more common for artists than other users.
>
> Once that and other characteristics were very important (see
> other post for sample ads).
>
> Apparently, not so important today.
At my last job before retirement, some departments worried about paper
quality, and tooth, for contract and other related papers. They still
used laser printers though.
--
Jim
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