Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #409665 is a reply to message #409661] |
Tue, 06 July 2021 12:42 |
Harry Vaderchi
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On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 04:36:05 -0700 (PDT)
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 3:22:00 AM UTC-6, gareth evans wrote:
>> On 03/07/2021 00:28, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
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>>> People don't want to switch to a package that works better.
>>> They want something that works exactly like the one they're
>>> used to - warts and all.
>
>> Come back, Windows XP! All is forgiven!
>
> Or at least Windows 7.
>
> John Savard
This is AFC, right? (posted from an XP machine).
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Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #409666 is a reply to message #409661] |
Tue, 06 July 2021 12:52 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2021-07-06, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 3:22:00 AM UTC-6, gareth evans wrote:
>> On 03/07/2021 00:28, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> People don't want to switch to a package that works better.
>>> They want something that works exactly like the one they're
>>> used to - warts and all.
>>
>> Come back, Windows XP! All is forgiven!
>
> Or at least Windows 7.
Win7 and I have bad chemistry. (This goes in spades for
later versions.) If I absolutely must run a package that
needs Win7, I re-boot the laptop I'm writing this on. The
laptop (a refurbished Lenovo T410) originally came with Win7,
which took up the entire 250GB drive. I shrank it down to 45GB
(thank you, PerfectDisk) and installed Debian in a dual-boot
configuration. Most Windows stuff I have to use runs under
XP, which I have running in VirtualBox. As someone once said,
the nice thing about having Microsoft in a window is that you
can close it. :-)
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Mayayana
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Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #409711 is a reply to message #409541] |
Thu, 08 July 2021 04:01 |
Robin Vowels
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On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 12:10:38 AM UTC+10, Robin Vowels wrote:
> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:57:57 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote:
>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft
>> provided products to help you control your computer, but
>> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the
>> computer.
>>
>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC
>> I buy will be LINUX based.
> .
> It started with MS DOS around v. 5.
> .
> DR DOS 6 was superior.
> It went seriously wrong with Windows 6.
> Word 6 introduced new bugs but didn't fix the old bugs.
> For example some of the numeric values of characters changed
> compared to Windows 3.1.
> For example changing from footnotes to endnotes in Word for Windows 6
> caused the complete loss of the document.
> Over the years, MS regularly reduced the functionality of Word.
> Word 3.1 had the ability to produce an index automatically.
> Later versions didn't.
> Windows 10 was / is a disaster. Windows 10 for dummies
> tells you how to put back in Windows those facilities
> that used to be provided in XP.
..
I could have mentioned that the longest W10 update so far
took 70 minutes. It does this automatically. You can't stop it.
It doesn't even tell you you long it will take, nor does it give
you a slider that tells you how far the installation has
progressed. All you see is a bunch of dots running around in a circle.
..
Lately, there's another update that pops up every week --
it says it has a whole lot of bells and whistles that it wants
to install for devices that i do not have. It gives you a choice:
1. install it immediately, or
2. Defer it.
There is no way to kill it.
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Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #409713 is a reply to message #409711] |
Thu, 08 July 2021 06:36 |
Harry Vaderchi
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On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 01:01:50 -0700 (PDT)
Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 12:10:38 AM UTC+10, Robin Vowels wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:57:57 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote:
>>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft
>>> provided products to help you control your computer, but
>>> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the
>>> computer.
>>>
>>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC
>>> I buy will be LINUX based.
>> .
>> It started with MS DOS around v. 5.
>> .
>> DR DOS 6 was superior.
>> It went seriously wrong with Windows 6.
>> Word 6 introduced new bugs but didn't fix the old bugs.
>> For example some of the numeric values of characters changed
>> compared to Windows 3.1.
>> For example changing from footnotes to endnotes in Word for Windows 6
>> caused the complete loss of the document.
>> Over the years, MS regularly reduced the functionality of Word.
>> Word 3.1 had the ability to produce an index automatically.
>> Later versions didn't.
>> Windows 10 was / is a disaster. Windows 10 for dummies
>> tells you how to put back in Windows those facilities
>> that used to be provided in XP.
> .
> I could have mentioned that the longest W10 update so far
> took 70 minutes. It does this automatically. You can't stop it.
> It doesn't even tell you you long it will take, nor does it give
> you a slider that tells you how far the installation has
> progressed. All you see is a bunch of dots running around in a circle.
> .
> Lately, there's another update that pops up every week --
> it says it has a whole lot of bells and whistles that it wants
> to install for devices that i do not have. It gives you a choice:
> 1. install it immediately, or
> 2. Defer it.
> There is no way to kill it.
It's a heavy hint to switch to Linux (other OSs are available)
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Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #409716 is a reply to message #409711] |
Thu, 08 July 2021 08:09 |
ted@loft.tnolan.com (
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In article <b1fa225f-1f3b-4535-9c98-46b708ea1539n@googlegroups.com>,
Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 12:10:38 AM UTC+10, Robin Vowels wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:57:57 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote:
>>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft
>>> provided products to help you control your computer, but
>>> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the
>>> computer.
>>>
>>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC
>>> I buy will be LINUX based.
>> .
>> It started with MS DOS around v. 5.
>> .
>> DR DOS 6 was superior.
>> It went seriously wrong with Windows 6.
>> Word 6 introduced new bugs but didn't fix the old bugs.
>> For example some of the numeric values of characters changed
>> compared to Windows 3.1.
>> For example changing from footnotes to endnotes in Word for Windows 6
>> caused the complete loss of the document.
>> Over the years, MS regularly reduced the functionality of Word.
>> Word 3.1 had the ability to produce an index automatically.
>> Later versions didn't.
>> Windows 10 was / is a disaster. Windows 10 for dummies
>> tells you how to put back in Windows those facilities
>> that used to be provided in XP.
> .
> I could have mentioned that the longest W10 update so far
> took 70 minutes. It does this automatically. You can't stop it.
> It doesn't even tell you you long it will take, nor does it give
> you a slider that tells you how far the installation has
> progressed. All you see is a bunch of dots running around in a circle.
> .
> Lately, there's another update that pops up every week --
> it says it has a whole lot of bells and whistles that it wants
> to install for devices that i do not have. It gives you a choice:
> 1. install it immediately, or
> 2. Defer it.
> There is no way to kill it.
There must be some mechanism under the hood, as my work laptop only gets
updated when my company's IT dept decides it does, not when MS releases
updates.
I had fun upgrading several family systems over the past few weeks. They
were all exhibiting the "stuck on 1909" issue and so had to be updated
via "media creator". It was one of those things where it asks you a bunch
of questions, you answer and wander off to do other things for a few hours,
and when you come back, there is another question on the screen, and so
of course, no progress has been made.
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What's not in Columbia anymore..
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Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #409717 is a reply to message #409716] |
Thu, 08 July 2021 08:44 |
Andy Burns
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Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> There must be some mechanism under the hood, as my work laptop only gets
> updated when my company's IT dept decides it does, not when MS releases
> updates.
A corporate machine is likely to get updates from a private WSUS server,
where the pimply faced youths "approve" which updates get given to it,
not the Windows Update server that Joe Bloggs uses at home.
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Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #409718 is a reply to message #409717] |
Thu, 08 July 2021 08:49 |
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In article <ikoa99FufjfU2@mid.individual.net>,
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
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>> There must be some mechanism under the hood, as my work laptop only gets
>> updated when my company's IT dept decides it does, not when MS releases
>> updates.
>
> A corporate machine is likely to get updates from a private WSUS server,
> where the pimply faced youths "approve" which updates get given to it,
> not the Windows Update server that Joe Bloggs uses at home.
Hmm. Riffing on that, you might could disable it by putting
update.microsoft.com in your hosts file as 127.0.0.1 or some such until
you wanted an update.
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Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #409719 is a reply to message #409718] |
Thu, 08 July 2021 08:53 |
Andy Burns
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Ted Nolan wrote:
> you might could disable it by putting
> update.microsoft.com in your hosts file as 127.0.0.1 or some such
They though of that, with Win10, windows update doesn't rely on the
hosts files or DNS lookups, it has the IP addresses of servers "baked
in" ...
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Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #409720 is a reply to message #409719] |
Thu, 08 July 2021 09:17 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 13:53:56 +0100
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Ted Nolan wrote:
>
>> you might could disable it by putting
>> update.microsoft.com in your hosts file as 127.0.0.1 or some such
>
> They though of that, with Win10, windows update doesn't rely on the
> hosts files or DNS lookups, it has the IP addresses of servers "baked
> in" ...
ifconfig lo0 <ip address of update server> alias
TMTOWTSAC
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Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #409722 is a reply to message #409711] |
Thu, 08 July 2021 09:56 |
scott
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Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> writes:
> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 12:10:38 AM UTC+10, Robin Vowels wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:57:57 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote:
>>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft
>>> provided products to help you control your computer, but
>>> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the
>>> computer.
>>>
>>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC
>>> I buy will be LINUX based.
>> .
>> It started with MS DOS around v. 5.
>> .
>> DR DOS 6 was superior.
>> It went seriously wrong with Windows 6.
>> Word 6 introduced new bugs but didn't fix the old bugs.
>> For example some of the numeric values of characters changed
>> compared to Windows 3.1.
>> For example changing from footnotes to endnotes in Word for Windows 6
>> caused the complete loss of the document.
>> Over the years, MS regularly reduced the functionality of Word.
>> Word 3.1 had the ability to produce an index automatically.
>> Later versions didn't.
>> Windows 10 was / is a disaster. Windows 10 for dummies
>> tells you how to put back in Windows those facilities
>> that used to be provided in XP.
> .
> I could have mentioned that the longest W10 update so far
> took 70 minutes. It does this automatically. You can't stop it.
> It doesn't even tell you you long it will take, nor does it give
> you a slider that tells you how far the installation has
> progressed. All you see is a bunch of dots running around in a circle.
I only power up the Windows laptop once a year (for Turbotax). This
year, it took _TWO WHOLE DAYS_ for the windows 10 update to complete.
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Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #409731 is a reply to message #409713] |
Thu, 08 July 2021 16:01 |
Rich Alderson
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"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:
> On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 01:01:50 -0700 (PDT)
> Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Lately, there's another update that pops up every week --
>> it says it has a whole lot of bells and whistles that it wants
>> to install for devices that i do not have. It gives you a choice:
>> 1. install it immediately, or
>> 2. Defer it.
>> There is no way to kill it.
> It's a heavy hint to switch to Linux (other OSs are available)
I have a Dell laptop which runs Windows 10 Home addition. This was a prize in
a giveaway from a company we did business with (i.e., I had to fill out
conflict of interest paperwork to accept it), which arrived on my desk entirely
unexpectedly.
I attempted to wipe it and install Linux.
THIS PARTICULAR DELL MODEL PHONES HOME FROM THE BIOS TO DETERMINE THINGS ABOUT
ITS STATE, AND BLOWS UP IF IT DETECTS ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE DELL VERSION OF
WINDOWS!!!!!
I used to use it occasionally when on vacation to check newsgroups and e-mail,
although I learned the hard way that it does *NOT* do IMAP, only POP, which
caused considerable grief while selling our house (things read on the laptop
disappeared from the remote server folders!), so it's only for newsgroups these
days.
I have another laptop running Windows 10 Professional (or whatever its called
now), which was a parting gift from the LPoE as part of the layoff. Since
things like the Unisys emulators will not run on Home, or on Linux, I've left
it alone, too.
They can hint all they like. There's nothing I can do about it.
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Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
--Galen
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Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #409732 is a reply to message #409720] |
Thu, 08 July 2021 17:00 |
Andy Burns
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> windows update doesn't rely on the hosts files or DNS lookups, it
>> has the IP addresses of servers "baked in" ...
>
> ifconfig lo0 <ip address of update server> alias
> TMTOWTSAC
I never tried anything like
netsh.exe interface portproxy add v4tov4 listenaddress=<ipaddrofserver>
listenport=443 connectaddr=<blackhole> connectport=<blackhole> protocol=tcp
but something along those lines *might* just work ...
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Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #409739 is a reply to message #409731] |
Thu, 08 July 2021 18:01 |
Peter Flass
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Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:
> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 01:01:50 -0700 (PDT)
>> Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Lately, there's another update that pops up every week --
>>> it says it has a whole lot of bells and whistles that it wants
>>> to install for devices that i do not have. It gives you a choice:
>>> 1. install it immediately, or
>>> 2. Defer it.
>>> There is no way to kill it.
>
>> It's a heavy hint to switch to Linux (other OSs are available)
>
> I have a Dell laptop which runs Windows 10 Home addition. This was a prize in
> a giveaway from a company we did business with (i.e., I had to fill out
> conflict of interest paperwork to accept it), which arrived on my desk entirely
> unexpectedly.
>
> I attempted to wipe it and install Linux.
>
> THIS PARTICULAR DELL MODEL PHONES HOME FROM THE BIOS TO DETERMINE THINGS ABOUT
> ITS STATE, AND BLOWS UP IF IT DETECTS ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE DELL VERSION OF
> WINDOWS!!!!!
I’m surprised M$ doesn’t coerce all manufacturers to do this.
What model is this? Google can’t seem to find it.
How about running VirtualBox under windows and automatically starting
Linux on bootup?
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Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #409743 is a reply to message #409739] |
Thu, 08 July 2021 18:45 |
scott
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Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
> Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:
>> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:
>>
>>> On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 01:01:50 -0700 (PDT)
>>> Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Lately, there's another update that pops up every week --
>>>> it says it has a whole lot of bells and whistles that it wants
>>>> to install for devices that i do not have. It gives you a choice:
>>>> 1. install it immediately, or
>>>> 2. Defer it.
>>>> There is no way to kill it.
>>
>>> It's a heavy hint to switch to Linux (other OSs are available)
>>
>> I have a Dell laptop which runs Windows 10 Home addition. This was a prize in
>> a giveaway from a company we did business with (i.e., I had to fill out
>> conflict of interest paperwork to accept it), which arrived on my desk entirely
>> unexpectedly.
>>
>> I attempted to wipe it and install Linux.
>>
>> THIS PARTICULAR DELL MODEL PHONES HOME FROM THE BIOS TO DETERMINE THINGS ABOUT
>> ITS STATE, AND BLOWS UP IF IT DETECTS ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE DELL VERSION OF
>> WINDOWS!!!!!
>
> I’m surprised M$ doesn’t coerce all manufacturers to do this.
I've had a number of Dell laptops and they all ran Linux without
problem. Dell even will preload linux on certain models if you
buy directly from Dell.
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Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #409747 is a reply to message #409731] |
Thu, 08 July 2021 19:30 |
Dan Espen
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Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:
> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 01:01:50 -0700 (PDT)
>> Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Lately, there's another update that pops up every week --
>>> it says it has a whole lot of bells and whistles that it wants
>>> to install for devices that i do not have. It gives you a choice:
>>> 1. install it immediately, or
>>> 2. Defer it.
>>> There is no way to kill it.
>
>> It's a heavy hint to switch to Linux (other OSs are available)
>
> I have a Dell laptop which runs Windows 10 Home addition. This was a prize in
> a giveaway from a company we did business with (i.e., I had to fill out
> conflict of interest paperwork to accept it), which arrived on my desk entirely
> unexpectedly.
>
> I attempted to wipe it and install Linux.
>
> THIS PARTICULAR DELL MODEL PHONES HOME FROM THE BIOS TO DETERMINE THINGS ABOUT
> ITS STATE, AND BLOWS UP IF IT DETECTS ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE DELL VERSION OF
> WINDOWS!!!!!
It's possessed by evil forces.
Get rid if it as soon as you can.
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Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #410779 is a reply to message #409541] |
Mon, 06 September 2021 14:56 |
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Originally posted by: Daniel Jendinger
On 2021-07-02, Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:57:57 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote:
>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft
>> provided products to help you control your computer, but
>> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the
>> computer.
>>
>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC
>> I buy will be LINUX based.
> .
> It started with MS DOS around v. 5.
> .
> DR DOS 6 was superior.
> It went seriously wrong with Windows 6.
> Word 6 introduced new bugs but didn't fix the old bugs.
> For example some of the numeric values of characters changed
> compared to Windows 3.1.
> For example changing from footnotes to endnotes in Word for Windows 6
> caused the complete loss of the document.
> Over the years, MS regularly reduced the functionality of Word.
> Word 3.1 had the ability to produce an index automatically.
> Later versions didn't.
> Windows 10 was / is a disaster. Windows 10 for dummies
> tells you how to put back in Windows those facilities
> that used to be provided in XP.
Let's hope that Win 11 is better than 10.
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Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #410787 is a reply to message #410779] |
Mon, 06 September 2021 17:27 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 18:56:13 -0000 (UTC), Daniel Jendinger
<hexabit@daniels-mac-mini2.local> wrote:
> On 2021-07-02, Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:57:57 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote:
>>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft
>>> provided products to help you control your computer, but
>>> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the
>>> computer.
>>>
>>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC
>>> I buy will be LINUX based.
>> .
>> It started with MS DOS around v. 5.
>> .
>> DR DOS 6 was superior.
>> It went seriously wrong with Windows 6.
>> Word 6 introduced new bugs but didn't fix the old bugs.
>> For example some of the numeric values of characters changed
>> compared to Windows 3.1.
>> For example changing from footnotes to endnotes in Word for Windows 6
>> caused the complete loss of the document.
>> Over the years, MS regularly reduced the functionality of Word.
>> Word 3.1 had the ability to produce an index automatically.
>> Later versions didn't.
>> Windows 10 was / is a disaster. Windows 10 for dummies
>> tells you how to put back in Windows those facilities
>> that used to be provided in XP.
>
> Let's hope that Win 11 is better than 10.
It's the first odd-numbered Windows since Windows 7, which is a
hopeful sign.
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Re: Where did Microsoft go wrong? [message #410788 is a reply to message #410779] |
Mon, 06 September 2021 17:30 |
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Originally posted by: gareth evans
On 06/09/2021 19:56, Daniel Jendinger wrote:
> On 2021-07-02, Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:57:57 AM UTC+10, gareth evans wrote:
>>> With MS-DOS and early versions of Windows, Microsoft
>>> provided products to help you control your computer, but
>>> with W10 they are trying to control the way you use the
>>> computer.
>>>
>>> W10 is increasingly pissing me off and the next PC
>>> I buy will be LINUX based.
>> .
>> It started with MS DOS around v. 5.
>> .
>> DR DOS 6 was superior.
>> It went seriously wrong with Windows 6.
>> Word 6 introduced new bugs but didn't fix the old bugs.
>> For example some of the numeric values of characters changed
>> compared to Windows 3.1.
>> For example changing from footnotes to endnotes in Word for Windows 6
>> caused the complete loss of the document.
>> Over the years, MS regularly reduced the functionality of Word.
>> Word 3.1 had the ability to produce an index automatically.
>> Later versions didn't.
>> Windows 10 was / is a disaster. Windows 10 for dummies
>> tells you how to put back in Windows those facilities
>> that used to be provided in XP.
>
> Let's hope that Win 11 is better than 10.
>
Blimey! You quoted me in the above from a year ago today!
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