| Re: Regarding the Posts that don't belong on this forum [message #395847 is a reply to message #395844] |
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Originally posted by: JoeyX
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 07:36:21 -0700, Tempest wrote:
> I'm still amazed that the Apple II group is still active here. Most
> computer based groups have either moved to private forums or Facebook.
> This is the only Usenet group I still frequent as the rest have all
> pretty much disbanded.
There are some oldschool "nerd" groups that are still active, like comics
and other 8- and 16-bit computer groups. It's nothing like the old days,
but if I am looking for answers for the TOUGHEST questions, there's no
place like Usenet. :)
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| Re: Regarding the Posts that don't belong on this forum [message #395850 is a reply to message #395825] |
Tue, 16 June 2020 15:35 |
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Originally posted by: Glaeken Trismegestus
On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 21:21:25 -0700, I am Rob wrote:
> Thanks to Jeff and Glaeken we isolated that Usenet is an insecure piece
> of garbage that is unsecurely showing people's email address where at
> least Google hides peoples email addresses and you have to be a member
> to see it.
>
> There should be one more step for security though, that the email Has to
> be valid and a reply made to join a group.
>
> That way a spam post with an invalid return address wouldn’t be allowed
> to post.
Anonymity is an important thing , and used to be very common before
corporate overlords like Google and Facebook forced you to give up
yours....anonymity protects people from virtuous do-gooder pricks too.
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| Re: Regarding the Posts that don't belong on this forum [message #395860 is a reply to message #395825] |
Wed, 17 June 2020 03:04 |
spectrumdaddy
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I am Rob <gids.rs@sasktel.net> wrote:
> Thanks to Jeff and Glaeken we isolated that Usenet is an insecure
> piece of garbage that is unsecurely showing people's email address
> where at least Google hides peoples email addresses and you have
> to be a member to see it.
Two of us have now suggested you set up a new GMail mail account to
access Usenet, and if you object to Google Groups, through one of the
free news servers, all of which can take false email names.
This is an Apple II Usenet group., so if you use a IIgs, or use a IIgs
emulator capable of going online with the Marinetti TCP/IP stack, you
can always use SNAP, my Usenet client for the IIgs to access this forum.
It happliy allows you to use any name you like to post messages:
https://speccie.uk/software/snap/
Cheers - Ewen
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| Re: Regarding the Posts that don't belong on this forum [message #395861 is a reply to message #395844] |
Wed, 17 June 2020 03:04 |
spectrumdaddy
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Tempest wrote:
> I'm still amazed that the Apple II group is still active here. Most
> computer based groups have either moved to private forums or Facebook.
> This is the only Usenet group I still frequent as the rest have all pretty
> much disbanded.
The problem with the Facebook Apple groups, is that it is almost
impossible to see the nuggets of information that interest me, amongst
the mass of messages about gaming. Here it is far more direct, and you
can get to the point more quickly.
It alsio means you can steer clear of Facebook, as many people just do
mnot like the constant barrage of advertising, and friend suggestions...
Cheers - Ewen
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| Re: Regarding the Posts that don't belong on this forum [message #395869 is a reply to message #395844] |
Wed, 17 June 2020 09:08 |
Steve Nickolas
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On Tue, 16 Jun 2020, Tempest wrote:
> I'm still amazed that the Apple II group is still active here. Most
> computer based groups have either moved to private forums or Facebook.
> This is the only Usenet group I still frequent as the rest have all
> pretty much disbanded.
I also follow comp.os.cpm. There's still a few out there.
-uso.
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| Re: Regarding the Posts that don't belong on this forum [message #395870 is a reply to message #395861] |
Wed, 17 June 2020 09:33 |
Steven Hirsch
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On 6/17/20 3:04 AM, Ewen wrote:
> Tempest wrote:
>
>> I'm still amazed that the Apple II group is still active here. Most
>> computer based groups have either moved to private forums or Facebook.
>> This is the only Usenet group I still frequent as the rest have all pretty
>> much disbanded.
>
> The problem with the Facebook Apple groups, is that it is almost
> impossible to see the nuggets of information that interest me, amongst
> the mass of messages about gaming. Here it is far more direct, and you
> can get to the point more quickly.
>
> It alsio means you can steer clear of Facebook, as many people just do
> mnot like the constant barrage of advertising, and friend suggestions...
Facebook is 1/4" short of worthless as a technical forum. Add in their role
in destruction of our political environment and I feel like taking a shower
every time I access it.
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| Re: Regarding the Posts that don't belong on this forum [message #395874 is a reply to message #395869] |
Wed, 17 June 2020 11:59 |
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Originally posted by: Scott Alfter
In article <alpine.DEB.2.21.2006170907570.29942@sd-119843.dedibox.fr>,
Steve Nickolas <usotsuki@buric.co> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jun 2020, Tempest wrote:
>> I'm still amazed that the Apple II group is still active here. Most
>> computer based groups have either moved to private forums or Facebook.
>> This is the only Usenet group I still frequent as the rest have all
>> pretty much disbanded.
>
> I also follow comp.os.cpm. There's still a few out there.
comp.sys.ti and comp.sys.mac.vintage still see some traffic, though not as
much as we have here. There are even some relatively new groups that pull
in moderate traffic levels, like comp.sys.raspberry-pi.
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/ v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail)
(IIGS( https://alfter.us/ Top-posting!
\_^_/ >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
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| Re: Regarding the Posts that don't belong on this forum [message #395875 is a reply to message #395861] |
Wed, 17 June 2020 13:09 |
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Originally posted by: fadden
On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 12:04:03 AM UTC-7, Ewen wrote:
> The problem with the Facebook Apple groups, is that it is almost
> impossible to see the nuggets of information that interest me, amongst
> the mass of messages about gaming. Here it is far more direct, and you
> can get to the point more quickly.
This is the issue I have... you have to read through everything to find anything, as opposed to a threaded message forum like Usenet where you can just skim the titles.
I find it a little odd that some equivalent to https://www.lemon64.com/forum/ hasn't become The Place To Be for Apple II users. (I imagine a few have been tried over the years, but apparently nothing stuck.) https://www.reddit.com/r/apple2/ has about 3K members and might be a viable alternative.
I've been reading this group for 30+ years, starting back when it was still comp.sys.apple and we had to redirect the occasional Mac user. I'm a little surprised Usenet is still a thing, but it seems to have tremendous inertia.
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| Re: Regarding the Posts that don't belong on this forum [message #395883 is a reply to message #395875] |
Wed, 17 June 2020 21:51 |
Egan Ford
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On 6/17/20 11:09 AM, fadden wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 12:04:03 AM UTC-7, Ewen wrote:
>> The problem with the Facebook Apple groups, is that it is almost
>> impossible to see the nuggets of information that interest me, amongst
>> the mass of messages about gaming. Here it is far more direct, and you
>> can get to the point more quickly.
>
> This is the issue I have... you have to read through everything to find anything, as opposed to a threaded message forum like Usenet where you can just skim the titles.
>
> I find it a little odd that some equivalent to https://www.lemon64.com/forum/ hasn't become The Place To Be for Apple II users. (I imagine a few have been tried over the years, but apparently nothing stuck.) https://www.reddit.com/r/apple2/ has about 3K members and might be a viable alternative.
>
> I've been reading this group for 30+ years, starting back when it was still comp.sys.apple and we had to redirect the occasional Mac user. I'm a little surprised Usenet is still a thing, but it seems to have tremendous inertia.
The .binaries newsgroups will probably keep Usenet alive forever. As of
Jan 2020 62+ TB/day of traffic and growing.
Discussion newsgroups will probably die off when we all do. The Google
Groups interface at one time was pretty good, but now is very poor IMHO
(I prefer a client anyway; using Thunderbird, very happy with it). If
that (GG) is how the next generation gets to Usenet, they'll just move
on. Reddit is the closest substitute to Usenet, IMHO. However it is
centralized.
w.r.t. the OT. My ISP has spam filtering setup for Usenet. I didn't
see any of the aforementioned spam that created this long
misunderstood-fueled thread. I had to take a look at Eternal September.
The content quality here is unparalleled. Usenet forever.
P.S. For my first 1-2 years of Usenet I used UUCP. I'd like to see if
I could get that working again, for the lulz.
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| Re: Regarding the Posts that don't belong on this forum [message #395942 is a reply to message #395875] |
Fri, 19 June 2020 18:35 |
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Originally posted by: Scott Alfter
In article <660cd15b-2e1c-4945-b318-c02a1725cb73o@googlegroups.com>,
fadden <thefadden@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 12:04:03 AM UTC-7, Ewen wrote:
>> The problem with the Facebook Apple groups, is that it is almost
>> impossible to see the nuggets of information that interest me, amongst
>> the mass of messages about gaming. Here it is far more direct, and you
>> can get to the point more quickly.
>
> This is the issue I have... you have to read through everything to find
> anything, as opposed to a threaded message forum like Usenet where you
> can just skim the titles.
>
> I find it a little odd that some equivalent to
> https://www.lemon64.com/forum/ hasn't become The Place To Be for Apple
> II users. (I imagine a few have been tried over the years, but
> apparently nothing stuck.) https://www.reddit.com/r/apple2/ has about
> 3K members and might be a viable alternative.
Despite its name, AtariAge has some forum space for non-Atari
contemporaries. It seems most of the TI-99/4(A) crowd has migrated there
from comp.sys.ti and the Yahoo-hosted group/mailing list. There's also an
Apple II presence there, though at a lower level of activity than the TI
crowd.
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(IIGS( https://alfter.us/ Top-posting!
\_^_/ >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
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| Re: Regarding the Posts that don't belong on this forum [message #395943 is a reply to message #395942] |
Fri, 19 June 2020 19:26 |
Steve Nickolas
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On Fri, 19 Jun 2020, Scott Alfter wrote:
> Despite its name, AtariAge has some forum space for non-Atari
> contemporaries. It seems most of the TI-99/4(A) crowd has migrated there
> from comp.sys.ti and the Yahoo-hosted group/mailing list. There's also an
> Apple II presence there, though at a lower level of activity than the TI
> crowd.
I'm a regular there.
Came for the 7800 stuff, stayed for teh Apple ][.
-uso.
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| Re: Regarding the Posts that don't belong on this forum [message #395948 is a reply to message #395943] |
Fri, 19 June 2020 23:46 |
Egan Ford
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On 6/19/20 5:26 PM, Steve Nickolas wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020, Scott Alfter wrote:
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>> Despite its name, AtariAge has some forum space for non-Atari
>> contemporaries. It seems most of the TI-99/4(A) crowd has migrated there
>> from comp.sys.ti and the Yahoo-hosted group/mailing list. There's also an
>> Apple II presence there, though at a lower level of activity than the TI
>> crowd.
>
> I'm a regular there.
I used to be a regular as well. I probably need to sync up again, it's
been a while. There are/were a number of retro boards I used to visit,
but the only constant has been Usenet. One client, all the news, all in
one place. Or was...
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