| Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390670] |
Sun, 02 February 2020 23:19  |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
This relates to a couple of threads but doesn't fit into either.
I made the mistake of making a not-unkind post about Microsoft. So
Microsoft immediately bit me in the butt.
Went out to dinner. Turned the car off. The radio kept playing. None
of the various buttons that should turn it off do anything. Can't
change the station. Can't change the volume. Opened the door, which
usually shuts off everything. Still playing. Crap.
The car is an example of the stupidity of the American car
manufacturer. It has a 600 volt battery that can take it from here to
Hartford, but the radio doesn't run on that battery, it runs on a
little 12v battery that would look undersized on a lawn tractor and is
located in a location that requires real tools to get at, so
disconnecting it then and there is not an option. And if that battery
is dead then the thing won't run even if the 600v battery is fully
charged. So I feel a certain pressure to get the damned radio to turn
off.
The basic problem is Microsft Stink (they call it "Sync" but everyone
who lives with it puts the "ti" in. There's a reset procedure, which
I forgot, so out comes the dreaded Chinese malware-laden ZTE to google
"Reset Microsoft Sync". That doesn't find it, so "Reset Sync 2013
CMAX Energi". That finds it. Go through procedure. Five minutes
later, after it has gone through all its monkey motion and the little
bar has gone across the screen and everything has blinked and flashed
and whatnot, the radio is still playing.
Oh, before anybody says anything about "tracking", the cell modem in
that car was obsolete when they sold it, I didn't make the deadline to
get it replaced, and I don't feel like shelling out 270 bucks plus
markup plus labor to get it to work now. So it is from an Internet
viewpoint incommunicado--the pieces are there but they won't talk to a
modern cell tower.
So out come's Mr. Malware again and this time "2013 C-Max Energi radio
won't turn off". That gets me a hit that says "pull fuse 79". So
where the F is fuse 79? Get out the owner's manual. It's tiny little
print but I see where the fuse is. Take a picture of it. Now I've
got it bright and magnified down in the footwell. Turn the phone's
light on, and I can see the fusebox with the phonelight while I can
see the picture brightly lit on the screen. There's 79. One broken
fingernail and a bruised rib (there is _something_ on the floor of
that POS that is in a very inconvenient location for anyone doing
anything with the fuse box) and some swearwords later, the radio has
stopped. Let it sit for two full minutes by the clock (on Mr.
Malware), put the fuse back in, and it works like it's supposed to.
YAY.
And that, ladies and germs, is why I will _not_ be buying another
electric Ford. Which made a future buying decision a lot simpler. It
is also why I carry a smartphone.
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| Re: Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390671 is a reply to message #390670] |
Sun, 02 February 2020 23:42  |
danny burstein
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In <fj6f3fhv2nmpv9gjsoi6qhms5f62tm7koc@4ax.com> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
[snip... replying via e-mail and posting]
[snippppp]
My wife and I have a similar C-Max, although with
the regular battery rather than the extended version.
And yes, we've had this and all sorts of related problems.
It's a great car when it works...
Anyway, the solution is annying as hell
but simple:
Disconnect the 12V battery completely for
thirty seconds.
THe way to do this is...
a: Get a socket wrench and a deep 10 mm socket.
(A "regular" depth one might work, but it'll be close)
a1: if you've got a motorized driver, so much the better
b: go to the back of the car and raise the hatchback.
[note: the following refers to the regular hv battery
pack design. You may have to search a bit for the
similar cable in yours]
c: lift up the cover of the small (very small) hidden
storage area.
d: now pull up the exposed plastic "floor" pad. It's
the one that's about 8 inches by two feet (numbers
very imprecise) by 1/4 inch thick
e: This will let you see the 12V battery and its connectors.
DO ***NOT** try playing with those. Instead....
f: you'll see an appearance where the black, "negative"
battery cable stretches over that aforemention floor
and is attached, via a long bolt, into the chassis
g: turn off everything you can, then take the 10 mm socket,
and unscrew that bolt.
NOTE: Yes, you will see plenty of sparks as you unscrew it.
This is the sort of scene where yes, you'll be crunching
your teeth thinking what that sparking is doing to all
the computerized equipment.
h: leave it disconnected for 30 seconds, then screw it back in.
i: this should reset everything and get your radio, etc.,
working again. You might have to program the radion
channels back in. Also, if you've turned off the "auto
door lock" (that's the one that kicks in when the car
gets up to 5 mph) you'll have to re-unprogam it.
We have to do this about once every six months. One of
these days I'll wire in a switch...
Again, we love the car when it works...
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[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]
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| Re: Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390674 is a reply to message #390670] |
Mon, 03 February 2020 08:03 |
Roger Blake
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On 2020-02-03, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> I made the mistake of making a not-unkind post about Microsoft. So
> Microsoft immediately bit me in the butt.
Microsoft has its place, but not in anything I own. It's been quite a few
years but I think the last thing from Microsoft I've had in my home or
office was Windows 98. (I've never used Word, Excel, or any of their other
"Office" products.)
> And that, ladies and germs, is why I will _not_ be buying another
> electric Ford. Which made a future buying decision a lot simpler. It
> is also why I carry a smartphone.
I would not buy any of today's electric cars, but that's a matter of
personal preference. As mentioned elsewhere I don't carry a smartphone
and have no intention of ever carrying one.
Will you be lining up for an implant when they become available? Just think
of the ease and the fun!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUa3np4CKC4
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| Re: Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390678 is a reply to message #390670] |
Mon, 03 February 2020 15:25 |
John Levine
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In article <fj6f3fhv2nmpv9gjsoi6qhms5f62tm7koc@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Reset Microsoft Sync". That doesn't find it, so "Reset Sync 2013
> CMAX Energi".
Yeah, I have a 2013 C-Max too. The radio is so buggy it's comical. I
consider it a feature that the cell modem can't talk to anything.
> And that, ladies and germs, is why I will _not_ be buying another
> electric Ford. Which made a future buying decision a lot simpler. It
> is also why I carry a smartphone.
In 2015 Ford switched from Windows Embedded to QNX, a realtime OS now
owned by Blackberry, which actually works, so the radio should be OK.
There's other reasons I won't be buying another Ford, such as the
stupendously bad mileage for a hybrid.
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John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| Re: Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390679 is a reply to message #390671] |
Mon, 03 February 2020 15:31 |
Peter Flass
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danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
> In <fj6f3fhv2nmpv9gjsoi6qhms5f62tm7koc@4ax.com> J. Clarke
> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
> [snip... replying via e-mail and posting]
>
> [snippppp]
>
> My wife and I have a similar C-Max, although with
> the regular battery rather than the extended version.
>
> And yes, we've had this and all sorts of related problems.
>
> It's a great car when it works...
>
> Anyway, the solution is annying as hell
> but simple:
>
> Disconnect the 12V battery completely for
> thirty seconds.
>
> THe way to do this is...
> a: Get a socket wrench and a deep 10 mm socket.
> (A "regular" depth one might work, but it'll be close)
>
> a1: if you've got a motorized driver, so much the better
>
> b: go to the back of the car and raise the hatchback.
>
> [note: the following refers to the regular hv battery
> pack design. You may have to search a bit for the
> similar cable in yours]
>
> c: lift up the cover of the small (very small) hidden
> storage area.
>
> d: now pull up the exposed plastic "floor" pad. It's
> the one that's about 8 inches by two feet (numbers
> very imprecise) by 1/4 inch thick
>
> e: This will let you see the 12V battery and its connectors.
>
> DO ***NOT** try playing with those. Instead....
>
> f: you'll see an appearance where the black, "negative"
> battery cable stretches over that aforemention floor
> and is attached, via a long bolt, into the chassis
>
> g: turn off everything you can, then take the 10 mm socket,
> and unscrew that bolt.
>
> NOTE: Yes, you will see plenty of sparks as you unscrew it.
> This is the sort of scene where yes, you'll be crunching
> your teeth thinking what that sparking is doing to all
> the computerized equipment.
>
> h: leave it disconnected for 30 seconds, then screw it back in.
>
> i: this should reset everything and get your radio, etc.,
> working again. You might have to program the radion
> channels back in. Also, if you've turned off the "auto
> door lock" (that's the one that kicks in when the car
> gets up to 5 mph) you'll have to re-unprogam it.
>
> We have to do this about once every six months. One of
> these days I'll wire in a switch...
>
> Again, we love the car when it works...
>
THAT sounds simple. A real (not virtual) reset switch would have been too
much for them. I like real dials and buttons in cars for a number of
reasons. I think the stupid touch-screen stuff is a mistake.
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| Re: Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390680 is a reply to message #390679] |
Mon, 03 February 2020 15:58 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2020-02-03, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
<snip>
>> Disconnect the 12V battery completely for
>> thirty seconds.
<snip>
>> h: leave it disconnected for 30 seconds, then screw it back in.
>>
>> i: this should reset everything and get your radio, etc.,
>> working again. You might have to program the radion
>> channels back in. Also, if you've turned off the "auto
>> door lock" (that's the one that kicks in when the car
>> gets up to 5 mph) you'll have to re-unprogam it.
>>
>> We have to do this about once every six months. One of
>> these days I'll wire in a switch...
>>
>> Again, we love the car when it works...
>
> THAT sounds simple. A real (not virtual) reset switch would have been
> too much for them. I like real dials and buttons in cars for a number
> of reasons. I think the stupid touch-screen stuff is a mistake.
Agreed. As for resetting things by disconnecting the battery,
I hope your radio isn't like the one we had in our Honda CR-V.
If you disconnect the battery, the first thing you have to do
after re-connecting is to enter the security code to unlock the
anti-theft system (hope you remember where you wrote it down).
Then you get to re-program all your presets.
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
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| ford c-max 2013, was: Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390681 is a reply to message #390680] |
Mon, 03 February 2020 16:16 |
danny burstein
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In <r1a1i802q8@news2.newsguy.com> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
> On 2020-02-03, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>>> Disconnect the 12V battery completely for
>>> thirty seconds.
> <snip>
>>> We have to do this about once every six months. One of
>>> these days I'll wire in a switch...
>>>
>>> Again, we love the car when it works...
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>> THAT sounds simple. A real (not virtual) reset switch would have been
>> too much for them. I like real dials and buttons in cars for a number
>> of reasons. I think the stupid touch-screen stuff is a mistake.
> Agreed. As for resetting things by disconnecting the battery,
> I hope your radio isn't like the one we had in our Honda CR-V.
> If you disconnect the battery, the first thing you have to do
> after re-connecting is to enter the security code to unlock the
> anti-theft system (hope you remember where you wrote it down).
Nah, just (sometimes) resetting the preset stations.
NOTE for those playing along at home. When the 12V system
goes kablooey, it's not just the radio that Does Wierd Stuff [tm].
It's tied in via Microsoft Sink with the ventilation controls,
the dashboard display of where the transmission lever is set,
and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Which sucks. Really and truly.
Oh, and three separate Ford dealers had no idea about
any of this... Per internet searches there isn't
any cure. Just resetting...
Oh, to John L(?) who complained about the mileage.
On our 2013 c-max we're getting a reliable 45 mpg, which
we can tweak up if we drive gently...
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| Re: Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390686 is a reply to message #390674] |
Mon, 03 February 2020 16:40 |
hancock4
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On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 8:03:26 AM UTC-5, Roger Blake wrote:
> Will you be lining up for an implant when they become available? Just think
> of the ease and the fun!
I don't know when, but someday that will come. It will probably
come after some major tragedy so that people becoming willing
to do so to protect themselves or their kids.
Maybe they'll start with a subset, such as allegedly dangerous
convicts released from jail.
Indeed, right now car insurance companies are advertising monitors
to add to your car to track your driving in return for a discount.
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| Re: Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390690 is a reply to message #390674] |
Mon, 03 February 2020 19:45 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Mon, 3 Feb 2020 13:03:20 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
<rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
> On 2020-02-03, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I made the mistake of making a not-unkind post about Microsoft. So
>> Microsoft immediately bit me in the butt.
>
> Microsoft has its place, but not in anything I own. It's been quite a few
> years but I think the last thing from Microsoft I've had in my home or
> office was Windows 98. (I've never used Word, Excel, or any of their other
> "Office" products.)
>
>> And that, ladies and germs, is why I will _not_ be buying another
>> electric Ford. Which made a future buying decision a lot simpler. It
>> is also why I carry a smartphone.
>
> I would not buy any of today's electric cars, but that's a matter of
> personal preference. As mentioned elsewhere I don't carry a smartphone
> and have no intention of ever carrying one.
>
> Will you be lining up for an implant when they become available? Just think
> of the ease and the fun!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUa3np4CKC4
No. I am averse to pain.
However in my case the electric car costs me practically nothing to
run. My employer has chargers in preferred parking spaced and does
not charge for their use. If that were not the case I would likely
not have gone electric. However having lived with one for a while I
find that I like it.
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| Re: Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390693 is a reply to message #390690] |
Mon, 03 February 2020 20:14 |
Roger Blake
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On 2020-02-04, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> No. I am averse to pain.
I have no doubt that there would be no shortage of youngsters who would
queue up for such implants if and when they become available.
> However in my case the electric car costs me practically nothing to
> run. My employer has chargers in preferred parking spaced and does
> not charge for their use. If that were not the case I would likely
> not have gone electric. However having lived with one for a while I
> find that I like it.
I buy used for cash (let the other guy take the depreciation and interest
hit) and keep cars for a long time, and I don't believe lithium-ion
batteries are a good long-term solution. For me the economics don't
work out. Whether they will in the future depends on how the technology
develops.
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| Re: Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390698 is a reply to message #390693] |
Mon, 03 February 2020 23:45 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 01:14:01 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
<rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
> On 2020-02-04, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> No. I am averse to pain.
>
> I have no doubt that there would be no shortage of youngsters who would
> queue up for such implants if and when they become available.
>
>> However in my case the electric car costs me practically nothing to
>> run. My employer has chargers in preferred parking spaced and does
>> not charge for their use. If that were not the case I would likely
>> not have gone electric. However having lived with one for a while I
>> find that I like it.
>
> I buy used for cash (let the other guy take the depreciation and interest
> hit) and keep cars for a long time, and I don't believe lithium-ion
> batteries are a good long-term solution. For me the economics don't
> work out. Whether they will in the future depends on how the technology
> develops.
Interesting, you're whingeing about "tracking" and then you'll go to
the bank and take out enough cash to buy a car which sets off red
flags at several government agencies. Or do you not use banks and
keep all your money in a mattress?
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| Ford c-max (2013), was: Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390699 is a reply to message #390670] |
Tue, 04 February 2020 00:50 |
danny burstein
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In <fj6f3fhv2nmpv9gjsoi6qhms5f62tm7koc@4ax.com> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
[snipp]
> disconnecting it then and there is not an option. And if that battery
> is dead then the thing won't run even if the 600v battery is fully
> charged.
As to that....
You can use one of the LI-ion "jumper pack", the ones that are
the size of two cigarette packs, to start the car. In fact,
you could probably throw together a basic 12V "AA" battery
holder with mini aggilator clips.
To "jump" the car you lift the hood and hook up to the red ("positivs")
post which is... covered by a simple plastic cap.
You also then find pretty much any exposed piece of the motor
frame or chassis or exposed bolt for the negative.
BIG NOTE: you're _only_ going to be feeding enough power
to activate the onboard computer controls and the relay
for the Big Battery. Hence you don't need thick cables
or super solid connections. You also won't see any huge
and ugly sparks...
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| Re: Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390706 is a reply to message #390698] |
Tue, 04 February 2020 07:55 |
Roger Blake
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On 2020-02-04, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting, you're whingeing about "tracking" and then you'll go to
> the bank and take out enough cash to buy a car which sets off red
> flags at several government agencies. Or do you not use banks and
> keep all your money in a mattress?
Being concerned about our rapidly disappearing personal privacy, and
taking action to preserve some small modicum of it, is hardly "whingeing".
"Cash" in such cases can amount to a cashier's check if the cost of
the car is over a certain amount, though I have certainly purchased
vehicles for folding money if the price is low enough. Purchase of
an automobile has never been anonymous since it needs to be titled,
registered, and insured. But you knew that. The point of buying cars
for cash is less about privacy and more about not going into debt for
a rapidly depreciating asset.
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| Re: Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390711 is a reply to message #390686] |
Tue, 04 February 2020 12:09 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Mon, 3 Feb 2020 13:40:34 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 8:03:26 AM UTC-5, Roger Blake wrote:
>> Will you be lining up for an implant when they become available? Just think
>> of the ease and the fun!
>
> I don't know when, but someday that will come. It will probably
> come after some major tragedy so that people becoming willing
> to do so to protect themselves or their kids.
I didn't think Ghost in the Shell was possible, but now I'm not so
sure. Radios in our skulls, poorly designed firewalls to keep our
cyber brains from being hacked, etc.
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Jim
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| Re: Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390713 is a reply to message #390693] |
Tue, 04 February 2020 14:14 |
Peter Flass
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Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
> On 2020-02-04, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> No. I am averse to pain.
>
> I have no doubt that there would be no shortage of youngsters who would
> queue up for such implants if and when they become available.
>
>> However in my case the electric car costs me practically nothing to
>> run. My employer has chargers in preferred parking spaced and does
>> not charge for their use. If that were not the case I would likely
>> not have gone electric. However having lived with one for a while I
>> find that I like it.
>
> I buy used for cash (let the other guy take the depreciation and interest
> hit) and keep cars for a long time, and I don't believe lithium-ion
> batteries are a good long-term solution. For me the economics don't
> work out. Whether they will in the future depends on how the technology
> develops.
>
Battery technology seems to be where fusion or cancer treatments are. We
keep hearing about the great improvements, but somehow not much ever
changes.
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| Re: Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390732 is a reply to message #390706] |
Tue, 04 February 2020 17:54 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 12:55:19 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
<rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
> On 2020-02-04, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Interesting, you're whingeing about "tracking" and then you'll go to
>> the bank and take out enough cash to buy a car which sets off red
>> flags at several government agencies. Or do you not use banks and
>> keep all your money in a mattress?
>
> Being concerned about our rapidly disappearing personal privacy, and
> taking action to preserve some small modicum of it, is hardly "whingeing".
>
> "Cash" in such cases can amount to a cashier's check
You said "cash". A check is not "cash". You were wrong.
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| Re: Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390733 is a reply to message #390713] |
Tue, 04 February 2020 17:57 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 12:14:52 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2020-02-04, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> No. I am averse to pain.
>>
>> I have no doubt that there would be no shortage of youngsters who would
>> queue up for such implants if and when they become available.
>>
>>> However in my case the electric car costs me practically nothing to
>>> run. My employer has chargers in preferred parking spaced and does
>>> not charge for their use. If that were not the case I would likely
>>> not have gone electric. However having lived with one for a while I
>>> find that I like it.
>>
>> I buy used for cash (let the other guy take the depreciation and interest
>> hit) and keep cars for a long time, and I don't believe lithium-ion
>> batteries are a good long-term solution. For me the economics don't
>> work out. Whether they will in the future depends on how the technology
>> develops.
>>
>
> Battery technology seems to be where fusion or cancer treatments are. We
> keep hearing about the great improvements, but somehow not much ever
> changes.
If you think not much has changed in battery technology over the past
20 years you don't use a cell phone, power tools, a laptop, or pay
attention to the performance of electric cars.
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 05:50:37 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
<dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
> In <fj6f3fhv2nmpv9gjsoi6qhms5f62tm7koc@4ax.com> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
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> [snipp]
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>> disconnecting it then and there is not an option. And if that battery
>> is dead then the thing won't run even if the 600v battery is fully
>> charged.
>
> As to that....
>
> You can use one of the LI-ion "jumper pack", the ones that are
> the size of two cigarette packs, to start the car. In fact,
> you could probably throw together a basic 12V "AA" battery
> holder with mini aggilator clips.
Yes, I can if I have one with me, which was not the case in a
restaurant parking lot after 9 pm on a Sunday night, nor was there an
option to rush out and buy one.
> To "jump" the car you lift the hood and hook up to the red ("positivs")
> post which is... covered by a simple plastic cap.
>
> You also then find pretty much any exposed piece of the motor
> frame or chassis or exposed bolt for the negative.
>
> BIG NOTE: you're _only_ going to be feeding enough power
> to activate the onboard computer controls and the relay
> for the Big Battery. Hence you don't need thick cables
> or super solid connections. You also won't see any huge
> and ugly sparks...
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| Re: Ford c-max (2013), was: Smartphones and Microsoft and modern problems [message #390738 is a reply to message #390737] |
Tue, 04 February 2020 18:21 |
danny burstein
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In <3ruj3f5t8t01lbs4us4dpsona948dlkvk3@4ax.com> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>> You can use one of the LI-ion "jumper pack", the ones that are
>> the size of two cigarette packs, to start the car. In fact,
>> you could probably throw together a basic 12V "AA" battery
>> holder with mini aggilator clips.
> Yes, I can if I have one with me, which was not the case in a
> restaurant parking lot after 9 pm on a Sunday night, nor was there an
> option to rush out and buy one.
That (roughly) $50 I spent twenty five years ago for a lead-acid
jump pack, and the more recent Li-Ion one, has been money
very well spent....
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