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Chicago P.D. 1/29/2020 [message #390513] Thu, 30 January 2020 16:42 Go to next message
hancock4 is currently offline  hancock4
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Anyone catch this? It used a new facial recognition software
that turned out to be faulty (identified the wrong person
who was then murdered while in police custody). The problem
was the software didn't properly handle dark skinned people.
DUH! Any programmer today would know about those things,
heck, a lot of programmers these days are dark skinned
themselves.
Re: Chicago P.D. 1/29/2020 [message #390541 is a reply to message #390513] Fri, 31 January 2020 11:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:42:11 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> Anyone catch this? It used a new facial recognition software
> that turned out to be faulty (identified the wrong person
> who was then murdered while in police custody). The problem
> was the software didn't properly handle dark skinned people.
> DUH! Any programmer today would know about those things,
> heck, a lot of programmers these days are dark skinned
> themselves.

Odd, the government and casinos have had such software for years.
Maybe the Chicago PD shouldn't use cheap crap software.

--
Jim
Re: Chicago P.D. 1/29/2020 [message #390548 is a reply to message #390541] Fri, 31 January 2020 13:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
scott is currently offline  scott
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JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
> On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:42:11 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> Anyone catch this? It used a new facial recognition software
>> that turned out to be faulty (identified the wrong person
>> who was then murdered while in police custody). The problem
>> was the software didn't properly handle dark skinned people.
>> DUH! Any programmer today would know about those things,
>> heck, a lot of programmers these days are dark skinned
>> themselves.
>
> Odd, the government and casinos have had such software for years.
> Maybe the Chicago PD shouldn't use cheap crap software.

It's a fictional Television Program.
Re: Chicago P.D. 1/29/2020 [message #390553 is a reply to message #390513] Fri, 31 January 2020 14:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: Carlos E.R.

On 30/01/2020 22.42, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> Anyone catch this? It used a new facial recognition software
> that turned out to be faulty (identified the wrong person
> who was then murdered while in police custody). The problem
> was the software didn't properly handle dark skinned people.
> DUH! Any programmer today would know about those things,
> heck, a lot of programmers these days are dark skinned
> themselves.

It is true, you may google and find out when this did happen. Not with
the results on the episode, but yes, they noticed the AI had problems
distinguishing other races. Happened to Google Photos itself. They were
accused of racism. 2015. I have found a link at the BBC in Spanish, you
go search it in English ;-)


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Cheers, Carlos.
Re: Chicago P.D. 1/29/2020 [message #390563 is a reply to message #390541] Fri, 31 January 2020 15:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 11:43:03 AM UTC-5, JimP wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:42:11 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> Anyone catch this? It used a new facial recognition software
>> that turned out to be faulty (identified the wrong person
>> who was then murdered while in police custody). The problem
>> was the software didn't properly handle dark skinned people.
>> DUH! Any programmer today would know about those things,
>> heck, a lot of programmers these days are dark skinned
>> themselves.
>
> Odd, the government and casinos have had such software for years.
> Maybe the Chicago PD shouldn't use cheap crap software.

Before fingerprinting was developed, the criminal justice
system developed sophisticated appearance detectors. But
they discovered that people could very similar, which
fingerprinting avoided.

I remember when a friend telephoned and told me to turn on
the TV as he was on. I did so and it was a video of
CCTV of a suspect. It did look just like my friend,
even the same coat. Fortunately my friend wasn't picked up.
Re: Chicago P.D. 1/29/2020 [message #390590 is a reply to message #390563] Fri, 31 January 2020 18:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:32:14 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 11:43:03 AM UTC-5, JimP wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:42:11 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>> Anyone catch this? It used a new facial recognition software
>>> that turned out to be faulty (identified the wrong person
>>> who was then murdered while in police custody). The problem
>>> was the software didn't properly handle dark skinned people.
>>> DUH! Any programmer today would know about those things,
>>> heck, a lot of programmers these days are dark skinned
>>> themselves.
>>
>> Odd, the government and casinos have had such software for years.
>> Maybe the Chicago PD shouldn't use cheap crap software.
>
> Before fingerprinting was developed, the criminal justice
> system developed sophisticated appearance detectors. But
> they discovered that people could very similar, which
> fingerprinting avoided.

Fingerprinting dates back to Babylon and as a Western police technique
has been in use from about 1900 on. I question what sort of
"sophisticated appearance detectors" could be made with the technology
available prior to 1900.
>
> I remember when a friend telephoned and told me to turn on
> the TV as he was on. I did so and it was a video of
> CCTV of a suspect. It did look just like my friend,
> even the same coat. Fortunately my friend wasn't picked up.
Re: Chicago P.D. 1/29/2020 [message #390614 is a reply to message #390513] Sat, 01 February 2020 14:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Quadibloc is currently offline  Quadibloc
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On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 2:42:12 PM UTC-7, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> Anyone catch this? It used a new facial recognition software
> that turned out to be faulty (identified the wrong person
> who was then murdered while in police custody). The problem
> was the software didn't properly handle dark skinned people.

I tried to Google it. I can't seem to find it.

John Savard
Re: Chicago P.D. 1/29/2020 [message #390629 is a reply to message #390614] Sat, 01 February 2020 15:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 11:05:21 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
wrote:

> On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 2:42:12 PM UTC-7, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> Anyone catch this? It used a new facial recognition software
>> that turned out to be faulty (identified the wrong person
>> who was then murdered while in police custody). The problem
>> was the software didn't properly handle dark skinned people.
>
> I tried to Google it. I can't seem to find it.

Apparently it's an episode of a TV show.

< https://meaww.com/chicago-pd-season-7-episode-6-justice-impl icit-racial-bias-facial-recognition-software-fails-viewers>


>
> John Savard
Re: Chicago P.D. 1/29/2020 [message #390631 is a reply to message #390629] Sat, 01 February 2020 15:58 Go to previous message
hancock4 is currently offline  hancock4
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On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 3:19:55 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 11:05:21 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, January 30, 2020 at 2:42:12 PM UTC-7, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>> Anyone catch this? It used a new facial recognition software
>>> that turned out to be faulty (identified the wrong person
>>> who was then murdered while in police custody). The problem
>>> was the software didn't properly handle dark skinned people.
>>
>> I tried to Google it. I can't seem to find it.
>
> Apparently it's an episode of a TV show.
>
> < https://meaww.com/chicago-pd-season-7-episode-6-justice-impl icit-racial-bias-facial-recognition-software-fails-viewers>

Oops--I should've made that clear. sorry about that.
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