| Re: Where did 'ethernet' come from anyway was: Re: Correct pronunci [message #390543 is a reply to message #390524] |
Fri, 31 January 2020 11:48   |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On 30 Jan 2020 21:49:44 -0400, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
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> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
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>> I keep a file of UTF-8 extended characters and copy and paste as required.
>> I don't need it that often so it's not much of a hardship...
>
> Exactly what I do. Less trouble than trying to remember rarely used
> keystrokes.
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>> ...and it's guaranteed to work anywhere.
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> Um, well, if you visit the de.* newsgroups, it apperas that there are
> at least two encodings used. My system groks, e.g ö and Ä but not
> whatever the other one (possibly using 3 bytes/char?) is.
I see the o and the A with the double dot over them, but I have
installed some mapping fonts that might contain those letters.
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Jim
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| Re: Where did 'ethernet' come from anyway was: Re: Correct pronunci [message #390554 is a reply to message #390474] |
Fri, 31 January 2020 15:03 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2020-01-31, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On 31 Jan 2020 09:12:07 GMT, Huge wrote:
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>> On 2020-01-30, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
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>>> On 29 Jan 2020 19:29:28 GMT, Huge wrote:
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>>>> Motörhead fans? (Well, for the o-umlaut, anyway. Can't off-hand
>>>> think of any uses of a-umlaut in English.)
>>>
>>> Doppelgänger,
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>> which is a loanword from the German language.
>>
>> Indeed, but then "The problem with defending the purity of the English
>> language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We
>> don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other
>> languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their
>> pockets for new vocabulary."
>>
>> -- James Nicoll
I've always loved that quote. :-)
> Kindergarten! ;-)
Good one.
> There are a lot a lot French words used in English. Suppose that is
> because France and the UK occupied each other often in the last
> centuries.
The thing that's wrong with the French is that
they don't have a word for entrepreneur.
-- George W. Bush
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| Re: Where did 'ethernet' come from anyway was: Re: Correct pronunci [message #390569 is a reply to message #390474] |
Fri, 31 January 2020 16:09 |
Peter Flass
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Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On 31 Jan 2020 09:12:07 GMT, Huge wrote:
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>> On 2020-01-30, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> On 29 Jan 2020 19:29:28 GMT, Huge wrote:
>>
>>>> Motörhead fans? (Well, for the o-umlaut, anyway. Can't off-hand
>>>> think of any uses of a-umlaut in English.)
>>>
>>> Doppelgänger,
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>> which is a loanword from the German language.
>>
>> Indeed, but then "The problem with defending the purity of the English
>> language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We
>> don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other
>> languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their
>> pockets for new vocabulary."
>>
>> -- James Nicoll
>
> Kindergarten! ;-)
>
> There are a lot a lot French words used in English. Suppose that is
> because France and the UK occupied each other often in the last
> centuries.
>
> But I suppose the German language became much impure adding more English
> words to it over the last decades than English added German words, due to
> IT and international business. Suppose Germans don't care much about to
> keep their language pure. At least I don't.
Like English, German is a living language that continues to grow and
change, unlike some other ossified languages that academics try to squeeze
into a straightjacket.
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Pete
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| Re: Where did 'ethernet' come from anyway was: Re: Correct pronunci [message #390585 is a reply to message #390569] |
Fri, 31 January 2020 17:55 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2020-01-31, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
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>> But I suppose the German language became much impure adding more English
>> words to it over the last decades than English added German words, due to
>> IT and international business. Suppose Germans don't care much about to
>> keep their language pure. At least I don't.
>
> Like English, German is a living language that continues to grow and
> change, unlike some other ossified languages that academics try to squeeze
> into a straightjacket.
Your right, off course.
But we must be careful to distinguish between evolution and decay.
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| Re: Where did 'ethernet' come from anyway was: Re: Correct pronunci [message #390601 is a reply to message #390474] |
Sat, 01 February 2020 04:20 |
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Originally posted by: Kerr-Mudd,John
On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 17:50:10 GMT, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net>
wrote:
> On 31 Jan 2020 16:00:40 GMT, Huge wrote:
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>> Obafc: I still remember how impressed I was on sitting down in front
>> of a Xerox Star for the first time that it could display, edit and
>> print accented and ligatured characters.
>
> A friend in Germany had an MPS-801 printer for his Commodore 64 which
> could not produce (or we didn't know how) other than 7-bit ASCII, so no
> Umlauts. Another guy had an Epson RX 80 (I believe) later on a German
> Amiga. Default it also couldn't print Umlauts, although the Amiga
> displayed them. But there was an ESC code you could switch to other
> languages. There I was impressed.
We 'ad to user-define our own characters; try telling that to the kids
todae, and they won't believe you! </Jeddadiah[?]>
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Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
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| Re: Where did 'ethernet' come from anyway was: Re: Correct pronunci [message #390619 is a reply to message #390601] |
Sat, 01 February 2020 14:42 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2020-02-01, Kerr-Mudd,John <notsaying@invalid.org> wrote:
o
> On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 17:50:10 GMT, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net>
> wrote:
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>> On 31 Jan 2020 16:00:40 GMT, Huge wrote:
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>>> Obafc: I still remember how impressed I was on sitting down in front
>>> of a Xerox Star for the first time that it could display, edit and
>>> print accented and ligatured characters.
>>
>> A friend in Germany had an MPS-801 printer for his Commodore 64 which
>> could not produce (or we didn't know how) other than 7-bit ASCII, so no
>> Umlauts. Another guy had an Epson RX 80 (I believe) later on a German
>> Amiga. Default it also couldn't print Umlauts, although the Amiga
>> displayed them. But there was an ESC code you could switch to other
>> languages. There I was impressed.
>
> We 'ad to user-define our own characters; try telling that to the kids
> todae, and they won't believe you! </Jeddadiah[?]>
Still, it's nice to no longer have to pencil in accents, etc.
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| Re: Where did 'ethernet' come from anyway was: Re: Correct pronunci [message #390630 is a reply to message #390474] |
Sat, 01 February 2020 15:37 |
Andy Leighton
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On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 11:07:10 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On 29 Jan 2020 19:29:28 GMT, Huge wrote:
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>> On 2020-01-29, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>
>>> If you have a num-block, a GrAlt 132 should produce an "ä". Not that many
>>> people outside Germany would need that.
>>
>> Motörhead fans? (Well, for the o-umlaut, anyway. Can't off-hand
>> think of any uses of a-umlaut in English.)
>
> Doppelgänger, which is a loanword from the German language.
Although the dictionaries still use an a-umlaut, most common use in
newspapers and on the BBC website just use a plain a.
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Andy Leighton => andyl@azaal.plus.com
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| Re: Where did 'ethernet' come from anyway was: Re: Correct pronunci [message #390634 is a reply to message #390619] |
Sat, 01 February 2020 16:30 |
Peter Flass
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2020-02-01, Kerr-Mudd,John <notsaying@invalid.org> wrote:
> o
>> On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 17:50:10 GMT, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net>
>> wrote:
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>>> On 31 Jan 2020 16:00:40 GMT, Huge wrote:
>>>
>>>> Obafc: I still remember how impressed I was on sitting down in front
>>>> of a Xerox Star for the first time that it could display, edit and
>>>> print accented and ligatured characters.
>>>
>>> A friend in Germany had an MPS-801 printer for his Commodore 64 which
>>> could not produce (or we didn't know how) other than 7-bit ASCII, so no
>>> Umlauts. Another guy had an Epson RX 80 (I believe) later on a German
>>> Amiga. Default it also couldn't print Umlauts, although the Amiga
>>> displayed them. But there was an ESC code you could switch to other
>>> languages. There I was impressed.
>>
>> We 'ad to user-define our own characters; try telling that to the kids
>> todae, and they won't believe you! </Jeddadiah[?]>
>
> Still, it's nice to no longer have to pencil in accents, etc.
>
When PPOE first got a 3800 many years ago we had a guy design a custom font
for us to use.
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Pete
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