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How to stop Visicalc Advanced looking for PROGRAM disk [message #386164] Mon, 19 August 2019 18:35 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: Bobbi

I have Visicalc Advanced (the ProDOS version) on an 800K floppy image (thanks Asimov!)

It runs fine from the floppy but when I copy all the files to a folder on my HDD it still requests the floppy on startup. Any idea how to fix this? I can't seem to locate a manual for the Apple II version, only PC.
Re: How to stop Visicalc Advanced looking for PROGRAM disk [message #386169 is a reply to message #386164] Mon, 19 August 2019 21:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: James Davis

On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 3:35:49 PM UTC-7, Bobbi wrote:
> I have Visicalc Advanced (the ProDOS version) on an 800K floppy image (thanks Asimov!)
>
> It runs fine from the floppy but when I copy all the files to a folder on my HDD it still requests the floppy on startup. Any idea how to fix this? I can't seem to locate a manual for the Apple II version, only PC.

The [BAD!] copy of the VisiCalc manual I have is just an intro. and four lessons (chapters) about how to use it. It has no info. about using it from a hard disk. But, it is a very early version of VisiCalc, not the Advanced version.
Re: How to stop Visicalc Advanced looking for PROGRAM disk [message #386170 is a reply to message #386169] Mon, 19 August 2019 21:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bobbi

On Monday, 19 August 2019 21:18:34 UTC-4, James Davis wrote:
> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 3:35:49 PM UTC-7, Bobbi wrote:
>> I have Visicalc Advanced (the ProDOS version) on an 800K floppy image (thanks Asimov!)
>>
>> It runs fine from the floppy but when I copy all the files to a folder on my HDD it still requests the floppy on startup. Any idea how to fix this? I can't seem to locate a manual for the Apple II version, only PC.
>
> The [BAD!] copy of the VisiCalc manual I have is just an intro. and four lessons (chapters) about how to use it. It has no info. about using it from a hard disk. But, it is a very early version of VisiCalc, not the Advanced version.

The earlier one is DOS3.3 I think? I have that one too, but I wanted to get the ProDOS one going with the hard drive. I have been building a hard drive image of useful productivity and programming software.
Re: How to stop Visicalc Advanced looking for PROGRAM disk [message #386177 is a reply to message #386170] Tue, 20 August 2019 01:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Prodos version, AFAIK, was never released.

It came on a demo disk with SuperCalc 3.

Maybe somebody upgraded the Dos version ro Prodos, but I have never seen an official release.

I copied Visicalc to my hard drive and was able to run it no problem. Maybe try renaming the folder to the same name as the floppy.
Re: How to stop Visicalc Advanced looking for PROGRAM disk [message #386185 is a reply to message #386177] Tue, 20 August 2019 08:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bobbi

On Tuesday, 20 August 2019 01:01:55 UTC-4, I am Rob wrote:
> The Prodos version, AFAIK, was never released.
>
> It came on a demo disk with SuperCalc 3.
>
> Maybe somebody upgraded the Dos version ro Prodos, but I have never seen an official release.
>
> I copied Visicalc to my hard drive and was able to run it no problem. Maybe try renaming the folder to the same name as the floppy.

The one you have running from the hard drive is 'Visicalc Advanced' (1983 or so) or some earlier version?
Re: How to stop Visicalc Advanced looking for PROGRAM disk [message #386186 is a reply to message #386177] Tue, 20 August 2019 08:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bobbi Webber-Manners

I am Rob <gids.rs@sasktel.net> wrote:
> The Prodos version, AFAIK, was never released.
>
> It came on a demo disk with SuperCalc 3.
>
> Maybe somebody upgraded the Dos version ro Prodos, but I have never seen an official release.
>
> I copied Visicalc to my hard drive and was able to run it no problem. Maybe try renaming the folder to the same name as the floppy.

I suspect you are correct. There is a LOADVC.SYSTEM, which seems to
just be a small stub to load VC2, which is the real program. I am not
sure that renaming the directory will work though.
Re: How to stop Visicalc Advanced looking for PROGRAM disk [message #386195 is a reply to message #386186] Tue, 20 August 2019 17:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have only seen one version amd even that took forever to find. Don't recall seeing any version numbers, but if you can give me specifics.

What is the size and date created of thw VC2 file?
Re: How to stop Visicalc Advanced looking for PROGRAM disk [message #386198 is a reply to message #386195] Tue, 20 August 2019 20:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bobbi

On Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:41:39 UTC-4, I am Rob wrote:
> I have only seen one version amd even that took forever to find. Don't recall seeing any version numbers, but if you can give me specifics.
>
> What is the size and date created of thw VC2 file?

LOADVC.SYSTEM is 342 bytes.
VC2 is 36473
VC2.OVL is 31498
Re: How to stop Visicalc Advanced looking for PROGRAM disk [message #386387 is a reply to message #386198] Mon, 26 August 2019 23:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The VisiCalc advanced po image 800k dated 1/10/17 is my creation from the files I found on a SuperCalc V5 image. The prodos directory of that disk is /PROVAV.PROGRAM you could try that name for a directory

Larry G
Re: How to stop Visicalc Advanced looking for PROGRAM disk [message #386411 is a reply to message #386387] Tue, 27 August 2019 10:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bobbi

On Monday, 26 August 2019 23:05:13 UTC-4, retrogear wrote:
> The VisiCalc advanced po image 800k dated 1/10/17 is my creation from the files I found on a SuperCalc V5 image. The prodos directory of that disk is /PROVAV.PROGRAM you could try that name for a directory
>
> Larry G

I will give it a whirl - thanks Larry! That is indeed the 800K image that I am using.
Re: How to stop Visicalc Advanced looking for PROGRAM disk [message #386598 is a reply to message #386411] Sat, 31 August 2019 22:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bobbi

On Tuesday, 27 August 2019 10:10:02 UTC-4, Bobbi wrote:
> On Monday, 26 August 2019 23:05:13 UTC-4, retrogear wrote:
>> The VisiCalc advanced po image 800k dated 1/10/17 is my creation from the files I found on a SuperCalc V5 image. The prodos directory of that disk is /PROVAV.PROGRAM you could try that name for a directory
>>
>> Larry G
>
> I will give it a whirl - thanks Larry! That is indeed the 800K image that I am using.

I played around with this a bit more. It turns out that the program files and help file need to be in the top level of the volume. The three files that need to be there are VC2, VC2.OVL and HELP.TEXT.FILE (if you want to use the help system.) LOADVC.SYSTEM can be anywhere. The code doesn't care about the name of the volume.

I wrote a little BASIC program to copy the requisite files to the top level of the volume, and to clean them up afterwards. I can post it here if anyone wants it (it uses the ProCMD COPY utility to copy the files.)
Re: How to stop Visicalc Advanced looking for PROGRAM disk [message #386637 is a reply to message #386598] Mon, 02 September 2019 11:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Has it been clarified if the version you are using is the same as the Advanced version on the SuperCalc3 disk?
Re: How to stop Visicalc Advanced looking for PROGRAM disk [message #386641 is a reply to message #386637] Mon, 02 September 2019 17:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Bobbi

On Monday, 2 September 2019 11:29:34 UTC-4, I am Rob wrote:
> Has it been clarified if the version you are using is the same as the Advanced version on the SuperCalc3 disk?

I think so - retrogear says it was from a Supercalc 5 image (above).

Incidentally, which is the most recent Supercalc for Apple //e 128k? I have Supercalc3a I think. Is there a version 5? If so, was that GS only I wonder?
Re: How to stop Visicalc Advanced looking for PROGRAM disk [message #386645 is a reply to message #386641] Mon, 02 September 2019 23:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>> Has it been clarified if the version you are using is the same as the Advanced version on the SuperCalc3 disk?
>
> I think so - retrogear says it was from a Supercalc 5 image (above).
>
> Incidentally, which is the most recent Supercalc for Apple //e 128k? I have Supercalc3a I think. Is there a version 5? If so, was that GS only I wonder?

It is from a spreadsheets disk offering Supercalc3a or Visicalc Advanced. For some reason the image was labeled v5

Larry G
Re: How to stop Visicalc Advanced looking for PROGRAM disk [message #386652 is a reply to message #386645] Tue, 03 September 2019 09:16 Go to previous message
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Originally posted by: Bobbi

On Monday, 2 September 2019 23:10:55 UTC-4, retrogear wrote:
>>> Has it been clarified if the version you are using is the same as the Advanced version on the SuperCalc3 disk?
>>
>> I think so - retrogear says it was from a Supercalc 5 image (above).
>>
>> Incidentally, which is the most recent Supercalc for Apple //e 128k? I have Supercalc3a I think. Is there a version 5? If so, was that GS only I wonder?
>
> It is from a spreadsheets disk offering Supercalc3a or Visicalc Advanced. For some reason the image was labeled v5
>
> Larry G

Makes sense ... I figured v5 was MSDOS only.
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