| Software ports. 4am, and other thing I would like to understand. [message #385434] |
Fri, 26 July 2019 10:44  |
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Originally posted by: Leon Sargent
Leaving the Apple ][gs world in 1996 and coming back in late 2018 has left me far behind on the advances in Apple ][ development both hardware and software.
From floppy drives that are now available as micro SD or CF to non mechanical hard drives and Ethernet cards and 1080p video.
I am very glad to be back and slightly overwhelmed with so much change.
There appears to be porting of DOS based games to ProDOS. —. I assume this is say .po images run from say Floppy EMU unless there were originally hd installable.
I think I understand that 4am is removing protections and cracks to bring forward the original software and saving as .woz
Any clarification or correction of my, at this time limited understanding greatly appreciated.
Now, back to playing Mr. Do.
Leon
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| Re: Software ports. 4am, and other thing I would like to understand. [message #385436 is a reply to message #385434] |
Fri, 26 July 2019 13:40  |
Steve Nickolas
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On Fri, 26 Jul 2019, Leon Sargent wrote:
> There appears to be porting of DOS based games to ProDOS. —. I assume
> this is say .po images run from say Floppy EMU unless there were
> originally hd installable.
I was the one who really got the ball rolling on that originally. This
way the games can be put on a hard drive, or any sort of modern media, and
run - ProDOS is device-agnostic, unlike DOS 3.3 and the various
proprietary DOSes and loaders used by the majority of Apple ][ software,
which only work with the classic 140K floppy disk.
> I think I understand that 4am is removing protections and cracks to
> bring forward the original software and saving as .woz
The .WOZ disk images contain all the protections, and require a much
finer-grained emulation, so that they can run with all their protection
checks intact. At the same time 4am has been releasing normal DSK files
with the protections removed, but not defaced like many of the cracks of
yore.
-uso.
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| Re: Software ports. 4am, and other thing I would like to understand. [message #385448 is a reply to message #385434] |
Fri, 26 July 2019 20:34 |
Alex Lee
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On 2019-07-26 14:44:30 +0000, Leon Sargent said:
> Leaving the Apple ][gs world in 1996 and coming back in late 2018 has
> left me far behind on the advances in Apple ][ development both
> hardware and software.
>
> From floppy drives that are now available as micro SD or CF to non
> mechanical hard drives and Ethernet cards and 1080p video.
>
> I am very glad to be back and slightly overwhelmed with so much change.
>
> There appears to be porting of DOS based games to ProDOS. —. I assume
> this is say .po images run from say Floppy EMU unless there were
> originally hd installable.
>
> I think I understand that 4am is removing protections and cracks to
> bring forward the original software and saving as .woz
>
> Any clarification or correction of my, at this time limited
> understanding greatly appreciated.
>
> Now, back to playing Mr. Do.
>
> Leon
4am is taking care of new, fresh cracks that don't change any of the
original program's intensions (which many older cracks did, best case
in point was removing title screens and in the case of Conan: Halls of
Volta, removing the music from the title screen.
4am's also more recently been involved in capturing .woz format disk
images, which genuinely CAPTURE everything from an original disk so
that it fools even copy protection into thinking its still an original
disk. From there, others can also create woz images using John Keoni
Morris's Applesauce hardware device and software combination. Emulators
and virtual floppy drives are adapting to support the new woz format,
but ultimately, 4am still intends to crack fresh copies of software
captured this way so that .woz support isn't needed in most cases.
qkumba then takes 4am's clean cracks and turns them into ProDOS
compatible executables, so you can run them from ProDOS 8 or even GS/OS
from 5.25", 3.5" or hard drives/solid state drives.
Newer solid state drives vary in function:
1) MicroDrive Turbo's ONLY support mass storage/traditional hard drive
support, but is RAM fast. However I've noticed some software is
incompatible when run from this storage method – Rastan, Print Shop,
Zany Golf and other ProDOS 8 based IIGS programs crash when launched
from a MDT. You can only use CiderPress on Windows to easily copy disk
images to pre formatted ProDOS partitions (the same applies to CFFA 1,
2 and Focus controller card solutions as well).
2) FloppyEmu supports 5.25", 3.5" and Smart Port/traditional hard drive
configurations, but only one method can be used at a time. It fully
supports 3.5" drive with IWM access making it 100% compatible with all
3.5" disk images. But it's slow, being directly connected to the drive
port. But it's also good in that you can use it across any Apple II or
early Mac that includes the disk drive port.
3) The CFFA3000 supports 5.25" and Smart Port at the same time. MOST
3.5" disk images will also work via the Smart Port, but custom
operatings used in games like Alien Mind, Tomahawk, GATE and the Hunt
for Red October will not work. Also, most FTA and other European demos
do not work the CFFA3000. Despite that, this is my preferred mass
storage method to use on the IIGS. It's not as fast as a MicroDrive
Turbo, but it's more compatble than that, but the ability to easily
mount anything on the Smart Port and have it run at solid state speeds
far outweighs the speed benefits of the MicroDrive Turbo. It's also
easy to transfer disk images to and from with any modern computer.
Which means it's also VERY easy backup stuff. Plus you can create disk
images via the CFFA3000 as well.
Alex
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| Re: Software ports. 4am, and other thing I would like to understand. [message #389511 is a reply to message #385436] |
Thu, 06 February 2020 15:03 |
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Originally posted by: Leon Sargent
On Friday, July 26, 2019 at 1:41:00 PM UTC-4, Steve Nickolas wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jul 2019, Leon Sargent wrote:
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> At the same time 4am has been releasing normal DSK files
> with the protections removed, but not defaced like many of the cracks of
> yore.
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> -uso.
I downloaded a .DSK files from the 4am collection at Archive.org.
I used ADTPro to send it over via ethernet to a 5.25 floppy.
When I booted to slot 6 it just froze. Tried a couple times and it just froze after a little disk activity.
Is this the correct way to image the disk? Am I using the wrong software?
Leon
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| Re: Software ports. 4am, and other thing I would like to understand. [message #389512 is a reply to message #389511] |
Thu, 06 February 2020 15:31 |
David Schmidt
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On 2/6/20 3:03 PM, Leon Sargent wrote:
> On Friday, July 26, 2019 at 1:41:00 PM UTC-4, Steve Nickolas wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Jul 2019, Leon Sargent wrote:
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>> At the same time 4am has been releasing normal DSK files
>> with the protections removed, but not defaced like many of the cracks of
>> yore.
>>
>> -uso.
>
> I downloaded a .DSK files from the 4am collection at Archive.org.
Which one, specifically, are you testing?
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| Re: Software ports. 4am, and other thing I would like to understand. [message #389513 is a reply to message #389512] |
Thu, 06 February 2020 15:51 |
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Originally posted by: Leon Sargent
On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 3:31:36 PM UTC-5, schmidtd wrote:
> On 2/6/20 3:03 PM, Leon Sargent wrote:
>> On Friday, July 26, 2019 at 1:41:00 PM UTC-4, Steve Nickolas wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Jul 2019, Leon Sargent wrote:
> Which one, specifically, are you testing?
Bats in the Belfry (4am crack)
I took the .dsk dropped it into the disks folder of ADTPro 2.0.3 and booted the GS selecting ethernet as they way to transfer. The transfer went fine.
Leon
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| Re: Software ports. 4am, and other thing I would like to understand. [message #389514 is a reply to message #389513] |
Thu, 06 February 2020 15:58 |
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Originally posted by: Leon Sargent
On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 3:51:53 PM UTC-5, Leon Sargent wrote:
> On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 3:31:36 PM UTC-5, schmidtd wrote:
>> On 2/6/20 3:03 PM, Leon Sargent wrote:
>>> On Friday, July 26, 2019 at 1:41:00 PM UTC-4, Steve Nickolas wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 26 Jul 2019, Leon Sargent wrote:
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>> Which one, specifically, are you testing?
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> Bats in the Belfry (4am crack)
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> I took the .dsk dropped it into the disks folder of ADTPro 2.0.3 and booted the GS selecting ethernet as they way to transfer. The transfer went fine.
>
> Leon
Everything except turning the system speed from fast to slow. Now the floppy boots into the game.
I thought any 5.25 disk access always set the GS to 1 Mhz speed. Never assume.
Leon
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| Re: Software ports. 4am, and other thing I would like to understand. [message #389516 is a reply to message #389514] |
Thu, 06 February 2020 18:04 |
David Schmidt
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On 2/6/20 3:58 PM, Leon Sargent wrote:
> On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 3:51:53 PM UTC-5, Leon Sargent wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 3:31:36 PM UTC-5, schmidtd wrote:
>>> On 2/6/20 3:03 PM, Leon Sargent wrote:
>>>> On Friday, July 26, 2019 at 1:41:00 PM UTC-4, Steve Nickolas wrote:
>>>> > On Fri, 26 Jul 2019, Leon Sargent wrote:
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>>> Which one, specifically, are you testing?
>>
>> Bats in the Belfry (4am crack)
>>
>> I took the .dsk dropped it into the disks folder of ADTPro 2.0.3 and booted the GS selecting ethernet as they way to transfer. The transfer went fine.
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>> Leon
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> Everything except turning the system speed from fast to slow. Now the floppy boots into the game.
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> I thought any 5.25 disk access always set the GS to 1 Mhz speed. Never assume.
Exactly. I saw that Odd Couple episode too...
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