| ][GS hard drive maintenance. [message #384235] |
Wed, 29 May 2019 18:41  |
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Originally posted by: Leon Sargent
The other day I had an error while booting GS/OS. Appears the drive structure became corrupt.
Restored from ADTPRO image I had stored on my Mac.
Not owning a Windows system to run AppleCider to allow me to build images, I rely on ADTPRO to transfer an 800k image to physical 3.5 floppy and build my hard drive image one floppy at a time.
Is there software for the Apple ][GS to verify and repair Hard drive structures and possibly back up to another device a little faster than ADTPro?
ADTPRO is the only tool I have currently found that works with more modern formats like, po, img, 2mg etc for backup and restore.
I see Hard Pressed for compression. I have not come across a program as of this moment to do what I need.
Any software titles, recommendations?
Leon
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| ][GS hard drive maintenance. [message #384241 is a reply to message #384235] |
Thu, 30 May 2019 01:10  |
Antoine Vignau
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And prefer a GS/OS utility that supports resource forma. Running a P8 utility on a disk with files with resources will harm more than anything else.
I wonder if UniverseMaster has repair options or not,
Antoine
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| Re: ][GS hard drive maintenance. [message #384242 is a reply to message #384235] |
Thu, 30 May 2019 02:21 |
alelee76
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On Thursday, 30 May 2019 08:41:57 UTC+10, Leon Sargent wrote:
> The other day I had an error while booting GS/OS. Appears the drive structure became corrupt.
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> Restored from ADTPRO image I had stored on my Mac.
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> Not owning a Windows system to run AppleCider to allow me to build images, I rely on ADTPRO to transfer an 800k image to physical 3.5 floppy and build my hard drive image one floppy at a time.
>
> Is there software for the Apple ][GS to verify and repair Hard drive structures and possibly back up to another device a little faster than ADTPro?
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> ADTPRO is the only tool I have currently found that works with more modern formats like, po, img, 2mg etc for backup and restore.
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> I see Hard Pressed for compression. I have not come across a program as of this moment to do what I need.
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> Any software titles, recommendations?
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> Leon
What is your primary mass storage device on the IIGS? (CFFA1,2, CFFA3000, MicroDrive Turbo, Focus, SCSI drive, other?)
I'd recommend Prosel (16) v8.9: http://www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za/prosel-8-9
It doesn't follow standard GUI, which can take a bit of getting used to, but getting the "ProSel.2mg" onto a 3.5" floppy will allow you to boot from that and repair your drive.
But, from the main menu, select "Volume Repair".
Then, you'll need to select which device number to look at – I honestly don't know where Prosel comes up with these device numbers, but I find "4" is the number for a boot volume in slot 7.
"Main Directory Repair" then "Fix Directory Structure" are the primary ways of fixing a drive. Bad block scan/lockout probably isn't useful for solid state drives.
Let us know how it goes.
Re: other options, there's "Deliverance" as part of Salvation Supreme: http://www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za/salvation-supreme
which is the easiest and most Mac-like program to navigate of these 3, but I don't think this is self booting.
And Universe Master:
http://www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za/universe-master
Quirky interface and I don't think it self boots either.
Alex
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| Re: ][GS hard drive maintenance. [message #384247 is a reply to message #384240] |
Thu, 30 May 2019 09:14 |
gids.rs
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On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 11:09:04 PM UTC-6, Antoine Vignau wrote:
> Leon,
> You have Prosel that has DiskFixer.
> A software by Vitesse: not Wings, not Independence but what's that title, aarrggh!
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> Antoine
Was it Deliverance?
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| Re: ][GS hard drive maintenance. [message #384248 is a reply to message #384235] |
Thu, 30 May 2019 09:26 |
gids.rs
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On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 4:41:57 PM UTC-6, Leon Sargent wrote:
> The other day I had an error while booting GS/OS. Appears the drive structure became corrupt.
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> Restored from ADTPRO image I had stored on my Mac.
>
> Not owning a Windows system to run AppleCider to allow me to build images, I rely on ADTPRO to transfer an 800k image to physical 3.5 floppy and build my hard drive image one floppy at a time.
>
> Is there software for the Apple ][GS to verify and repair Hard drive structures and possibly back up to another device a little faster than ADTPro?
>
> ADTPRO is the only tool I have currently found that works with more modern formats like, po, img, 2mg etc for backup and restore.
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> I see Hard Pressed for compression. I have not come across a program as of this moment to do what I need.
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> Any software titles, recommendations?
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> Leon
You can use GSShrink to shrink a disk image in an emulator on your Mac, send to real IIGS with ADTPro and unshrink on real IIGS.
GSShrink has a CRC check as well to test for corrupt disk images.
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| Re: ][GS hard drive maintenance. [message #384254 is a reply to message #384242] |
Thu, 30 May 2019 18:08 |
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Originally posted by: Leon Sargent
On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 2:21:48 AM UTC-4, alel...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'd recommend Prosel (16) v8.9: http://www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za/prosel-8-9
Alex.
I downloaded Prosel from the link you provided.
Opened in emulation to verify what is referenced in the text file included in the image.
From the text file --
There are two flavours of ProSEL, an 8-bit and a 16-bit version. Each package includes a volume repair utility ("Volume Repair" in ProSEL-16 and "Mr.Fixit" in ProSEL-8). Unfortunately, these utilities do not handle the year 2000 properly. We have therefore included a patched version of Mr. Fixit which has been kindly provided by Mr. Tony Diaz.
It would appear Mr. Fixit has been patched. Looking back through this thread I see the recommendation from Antoine, not to run a P8 app to fix a Sys16 volume -- resource fork issue.
Checking the drive using Prosel.sys16 every file is flagged with bad date or modified date.
So the SYS16 does have the Y2K issue
Leon
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| Re: ][GS hard drive maintenance. [message #384295 is a reply to message #384254] |
Sun, 02 June 2019 06:45 |
Alex Lee
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On 2019-05-30 22:08:05 +0000, Leon Sargent said:
> On Thursday, May 30, 2019 at 2:21:48 AM UTC-4, alel...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> I'd recommend Prosel (16) v8.9:
>> http://www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za/prosel-8-9
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> Alex.
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> I downloaded Prosel from the link you provided.
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> Opened in emulation to verify what is referenced in the text file
> included in the image.
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> From the text file --
> There are two flavours of ProSEL, an 8-bit and a 16-bit version. Each
> package includes a volume repair utility ("Volume Repair" in ProSEL-16
> and "Mr.Fixit" in ProSEL-8). Unfortunately, these utilities do not
> handle the year 2000 properly. We have therefore included a patched
> version of Mr. Fixit which has been kindly provided by Mr. Tony Diaz.
>
> It would appear Mr. Fixit has been patched. Looking back through this
> thread I see the recommendation from Antoine, not to run a P8 app to
> fix a Sys16 volume -- resource fork issue.
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> Checking the drive using Prosel.sys16 every file is flagged with bad
> date or modified date.
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> So the SYS16 does have the Y2K issue
> Leon
You're actually right.
I just checked my 32meg images that I share on What is the Apple IIGS?
from the homepage and sure enough, most of the file dates have changed
to January 1, 2000. Personally, I'm not concerned by this, but if time
stamping is important to you and others, than Prosel is definitely
going to cause a problem. You could just try it's "Main Directory
Repair" feature, as I think the "Fix Directory Structure" feature is
what adjusts incorrect looking creation and modification dates for
folders and files.
Alternatively, there's still Deliverance as part of Salvation Supreme,
but you'll need to setup a boot disk yourself with that. You could
install it on another partition of your MicroDrive Turbo, make that
partition bootable and use the MDT's feature of choosing which
partition to boot from. Then you can boot from it, run Deliverance over
your regular boot partition to fix it.
You could do the same with Universe Master.
Alex
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| Re: ][GS hard drive maintenance. [message #384296 is a reply to message #384295] |
Sun, 02 June 2019 08:01 |
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Originally posted by: Leon Sargent
Alex.
Clarification.
Like yourself, I am not concerned with dates as it pertains to Prosel 16 and my files.
If you are using Prosel 16 to verify images that you create for whatisthe2gs, than I am fine using Main Directory Repair as I use your images as the base for my images.
Thank you for your fine work in creating these images.
Leon
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| Re: ][GS hard drive maintenance. [message #384317 is a reply to message #384296] |
Tue, 04 June 2019 12:03 |
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Originally posted by: Leon Sargent
Interesting follow up.
So I tried Main Directory Repair on my drive, I suspected something was off, could not put my finger on it. ( this is why I started this thread )
After running Main Directory Repair it is recommended to check the files.
When I rebooted, there were three folders that I know I did not install in the main directory. Two were games and the third was what appears to be a CDEV to change background. They were corrupt and putting them in the trash gave me an alert that the files could not be deleted and the directory was corrupt.
Now, I am putting on the backups I have going from newest to oldest to see if this corruption and those 3 folder exist all the way back to my first backup.
If the oldest back has those same corrupt folders that is going to be strange as the oldest backup was a fresh install using the 6.0.4 GS/OS Install discs.
Leon
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| Re: ][GS hard drive maintenance. [message #384329 is a reply to message #384317] |
Wed, 05 June 2019 01:05 |
gids.rs
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On Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 10:03:57 AM UTC-6, Leon Sargent wrote:
> Interesting follow up.
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> So I tried Main Directory Repair on my drive, I suspected something was off, could not put my finger on it. ( this is why I started this thread )
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> After running Main Directory Repair it is recommended to check the files.
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> When I rebooted, there were three folders that I know I did not install in the main directory. Two were games and the third was what appears to be a CDEV to change background. They were corrupt and putting them in the trash gave me an alert that the files could not be deleted and the directory was corrupt.
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> Now, I am putting on the backups I have going from newest to oldest to see if this corruption and those 3 folder exist all the way back to my first backup.
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> If the oldest back has those same corrupt folders that is going to be strange as the oldest backup was a fresh install using the 6.0.4 GS/OS Install discs.
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> Leon
I think 99% of the time a corrupt folder is just the file count has not been updated correctly. Use a block editor to see if the file count matches the number of actual files you see when doing a CATALOG. Especially if you don't know how or when a folder was created.
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| Re: ][GS hard drive maintenance. [message #384428 is a reply to message #384415] |
Fri, 14 June 2019 01:09 |
Hugh Hood
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On 6/13/2019 8:39 AM, SHartz40 wrote:
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> Prosel was never update for current dates, by Glen Bredon. >
That was actually intentional on the part of the late Dr. Bredon.
He felt strongly that Apple's changing of the Y2K date issue within
ProDOS was wrong.
Prior to Apple's change, the six bits allocated within ProDOS allowed
date 'adders' to the year 1900 from 0 to 127, resulting in an available
127-value range of 1900 to 2027. His ProSel programs assumed that range.
Apple, instead, adopted a 100-value range of 0 to 99. When year 2000
came around, ProDOS rolled back to a '0' value. Apple did this by making
the assumption that values 0-39 belonged to the 2000's, whereas values
40-99 belonged to the 1900's.
When Y2K came around and Bredon was asked for a 'patch', he responded
that Apple had made a mistake and published 'patches' to ProDOS 8,
BASIC.System and GS/OS that rolled those date-handling routines back to
the pre-change method!
I must confess that Glen was very convincing in his argument and I
adopted his method and patched ProDOS, etc. Most people disagreed with
me and Dr. Bredon, however, probably with very good reason. I liked it
better primarily because I was/am a heavy AppleWorks user and I
frequently sort file listings by date. With Bredon's method, year 2005
actually showed up as 'newer' than 1999. Had I stuck with Apple's
method, year 2005 would have shown as 'older' than 1999. Of course,
AppleWorks could have been patched to get around that, but I digress.
Bredon stated that the 0-127 range would keep valid dates until the year
2028, and that by that time, he would be 'dead' (correct, of course) and
that he would be surprised if Apple II's would still be in use by then.
Well, I hope to live to 2028 and am only now I'm starting to worry about
what I'm going to do with all my time-stamped files when that time comes.
More on point -- one of the Apple II diskzines did release ProSel
updates that worked with Apple's method, and I thought they had been
uploaded to some of the usual suspects. I'll check on that, though.
Hugh Hood
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