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Spectrum Internet Suite [message #379941] Tue, 22 January 2019 05:34 Go to next message
spectrumdaddy is currently offline  spectrumdaddy
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In System 6.0.3 and later, some changes were made to the TextEdit
selection code to harmonise it with how other platforms such as the
Macintosh, handle text selection. This has broken the mechanism of how
the HTML Browser XCMD engine in SIS builds and works to select links
with a double-click. As a result, you can no longer double-click links
in SIS if using any GS/OS system after 6.0.1.

For a number of reasons, very few web pages these days can be accessed
with a plain HTTP command, and require HTTPS. Even if you do get to a
page, most pages now use scripting to build complex pages often based on
graphics. SIS cannot support any of those options, so is now really of
very little practical use.

As a result, Spectrum Internet Suite (SIS) is no longer supported if
running on any system after GS/OS 6.0.1.

Cheers - Ewen
Spectrum Internet Suite [message #379942 is a reply to message #379941] Tue, 22 January 2019 07:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Antoine Vignau is currently offline  Antoine Vignau
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6.0.2 should be compatible ;-)
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Spectrum Internet Suite [message #379986 is a reply to message #379941] Wed, 23 January 2019 00:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Leon Sargent

I really had not thought about how much the internet had changed since I last used Spectrum.

I took a moment to think about what I could do with this great program.

I wonder...

Could I use something like WebGS and perhaps the new Copy Cut Paste (?) Finder extension.

What would I think of doing.

Let’s say I have a searchable PDF or a text file somewhere on my Rasp pi running GSPlus emulator.

Could I make links to say chapters or sub section of those documents that are local and not networked or vica-versa

Perhaps a local html document for getting directly to a section or chapter of a supported file type. Would Spectrum have the capability to pass a document on my system to an application opening it in Spectrum or with a supported app? If I needed to make changes to that document at a later time perhaps I could add a link to the location of interest within that document to the main.html document?

Where emulation gives the ability to surf using modern cpu/gpu intensive coding could Spectrum be useful in local or local server based file serving by html document linking?

Leon
GS/OS 6.0.4 — Emulated
Re: Spectrum Internet Suite [message #379991 is a reply to message #379942] Wed, 23 January 2019 02:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
spectrumdaddy is currently offline  spectrumdaddy
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Antoine,

> 6.0.2 should be compatible ;-)

I haven't tried with that version. I have 6.0.4 installed myself, and
the bug was reported by someone running 6.0.3.

Cheers - Ewen
Re: Spectrum Internet Suite [message #379992 is a reply to message #379986] Wed, 23 January 2019 02:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
spectrumdaddy is currently offline  spectrumdaddy
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Leon,

> I really had not thought about how much the internet had changed
> since I last used Spectrum.

Essentially Spectrum is now 28 years old, even though it has been
updated from time to time. The internet has changed a lot in that time.

> I took a moment to think about what I could do with this great program.
> Would Spectrum have the capability to pass a document on my
> system to an application opening it in Spectrum or with a supported
> app? If I needed to make changes to that document at a later time
> perhaps I could add a link to the location of interest within that
> document to the main.html document?

Spectrum can use the HTML Tool, which is the heart of the Browser XCMD
that runs SIS. This means you can open HTML files, and view them
displayed as they are intended (within the limititations of the IIgs).

Spectrum Scripting is extremely powerful, and will let you build
complete applications that are run within Spectrum, and have access to
all its functions. SIS itself was built that way.

If you have not yet read the PDF Scripting Manual for Spectrum, check it
out:

https://speccie.uk/software/spectrum/spectrum-downloads/

> Where emulation gives the ability to surf using modern cpu/gpu intensive
> coding could Spectrum be useful in local or local server based file
> serving by html document linking?

The biggest limitation that has happened in the last 28 years, is that
most web sites now require an HTTPS connection. That is beyond the
capablities of what we currently have available for the IIgs.

Cheers - Ewen
Re: Spectrum Internet Suite [message #380069 is a reply to message #379941] Thu, 24 January 2019 17:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Oliver Schmidt is currently offline  Oliver Schmidt
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Ewen <spectrumdaddy@nospam.com> wrote:

[...]
> For a number of reasons, very few web pages these days can be accessed
> with a plain HTTP command, and require HTTPS. Even if you do get to a
> page, most pages now use scripting to build complex pages often based on
> graphics.

Maybe worth mentioning: www.google.com is accessible via plain HTTP. It
loads lots of stuff but actually works without all of it. You only need
support for forms with more than one submit button. The Contiki web browser
does.

Apart from that WAP 2.0 pages based on XHTML are often fitting well the
capabilities of an Apple II.

Regards,
Oliver
Re: Spectrum Internet Suite [message #380531 is a reply to message #380069] Sat, 02 February 2019 18:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've been saying it for years and years that gopher has nearly everything a low resources machine needs to browse the net/ gopherspace.Wikipedia is even on gopherspace. Enthusistas have been slowly updating gopher server capabilities to function like the www but in simple textual ways... And the community is really crying out for inspiration to develop. Eg. I sat down with a mate zcrayfish, and brainstormed while he bashed out some really great innovations that gopher never previously had... He worked out a solution for his gopher hole(site) to receive uploads. And quite a few more.
I genuinely perceive the gophersphere is THE way forward for low resources computing as internet wise you are not trying to peg a moving target. Alas the only apple ][ gopher client I'm aware of was written by Jonno Downs, the c64 enthusiast as a retro challenge on 8 bit prodos and didn't want to give it out when asked :( my favorite use for gopher ATM is wikipedia aka 'gopherpedia'. To see how the c64 community has advanced the use of gopher, check this sweet lil gui client out.... https://youtu.be/7VAoi0wFT-o
Re: Spectrum Internet Suite [message #380539 is a reply to message #380531] Sun, 03 February 2019 03:26 Go to previous message
Alex Lee is currently offline  Alex Lee
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On 2019-02-02 23:56:09 +0000, barana said:

> I've been saying it for years and years that gopher has nearly
> everything a low resources machine needs to browse the net/
> gopherspace.Wikipedia is even on gopherspace. Enthusistas have been
> slowly updating gopher server capabilities to function like the www but
> in simple textual ways... And the community is really crying out for
> inspiration to develop. Eg. I sat down with a mate zcrayfish, and
> brainstormed while he bashed out some really great innovations that
> gopher never previously had... He worked out a solution for his gopher
> hole(site) to receive uploads. And quite a few more. I genuinely
> perceive the gophersphere is THE way forward for low resources
> computing as internet wise you are not trying to peg a moving target.
> Alas the only apple ][ gopher client I'm aware of was written by Jonno
> Downs, the c64 enthusiast as a retro challenge on 8 bit prodos and
> didn't want to give it out when asked :( my favorite use for gopher
> ATM is wikipedia aka 'gopherpedia'. To see how the c64 community has
> advanced the use of gopher, check this sweet lil gui client out....
> https://youtu.be/7VAoi0wFT-o

That's cool.

- Alex
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