| Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #377457] |
Tue, 04 December 2018 22:33  |
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Originally posted by: James Davis
Hi all,
I am making sketches of my Apple II disk drive and monitor stand.
It is pretty simple to build (out of wood). It helps to separate the devices so that they can be pulled out to fix without unhooking and un-stacking everything.--Also allows room for easily installing and/or removing a System Saver fan.--Also allows for some air (cooling) space around the devices.
When I get them done, I will upload them to Asimov.
Is anybody interested in building an Apple II disk drive and monitor stand?
Yours truly,
James Davis
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #377478 is a reply to message #377457] |
Wed, 05 December 2018 09:54  |
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Originally posted by: cb meeks
On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:33:44 PM UTC-5, James Davis wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am making sketches of my Apple II disk drive and monitor stand.
>
> It is pretty simple to build (out of wood). It helps to separate the devices so that they can be pulled out to fix without unhooking and un-stacking everything.--Also allows room for easily installing and/or removing a System Saver fan.--Also allows for some air (cooling) space around the devices..
>
> When I get them done, I will upload them to Asimov.
>
> Is anybody interested in building an Apple II disk drive and monitor stand?
>
> Yours truly,
>
> James Davis
YES! YES!
In fact, I've been looking on fleaBay lately and an Apple II monitor stand (30+ year old piece of plastic) was listed at $150. Pisses me off.
I don't particularly like putting my 1084S monitor on top of the IIe lid. I know many people do. I just don't like doing it. Having a nice sturdy wooden stand would be awesome.
Count me in!
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #377485 is a reply to message #377478] |
Wed, 05 December 2018 11:35 |
Egan Ford
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On 12/5/18 7:54 AM, cb meeks wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:33:44 PM UTC-5, James Davis wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am making sketches of my Apple II disk drive and monitor stand.
>>
>> It is pretty simple to build (out of wood). It helps to separate the devices so that they can be pulled out to fix without unhooking and un-stacking everything.--Also allows room for easily installing and/or removing a System Saver fan.--Also allows for some air (cooling) space around the devices.
>>
>> When I get them done, I will upload them to Asimov.
>>
>> Is anybody interested in building an Apple II disk drive and monitor stand?
>>
>> Yours truly,
>>
>> James Davis
>
>
> YES! YES!
>
> In fact, I've been looking on fleaBay lately and an Apple II monitor stand (30+ year old piece of plastic) was listed at $150. Pisses me off.
My //e set up came with that monitor stand. It took years to find one
for my II+ at a reasonable price. Good luck.
> I don't particularly like putting my 1084S monitor on top of the IIe lid. I know many people do. I just don't like doing it. Having a nice sturdy wooden stand would be awesome.
Same here.
IMHO, these stands are mandatory given how active the II HW development
scene is. Slide out, and/remove cards, slide back in.
Moving the drives from the side would free up space. Looking forward to
the wood design.
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #377487 is a reply to message #377485] |
Wed, 05 December 2018 13:24 |
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Originally posted by: cb meeks
On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 11:35:34 AM UTC-5, Egan Ford wrote:
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> IMHO, these stands are mandatory given how active the II HW development
> scene is. Slide out, and/remove cards, slide back in.
>
Agreed.
What would be cool would be to have the Apple sit on a sliding base. The base could be on some casters so that you could easily pull the II in/out.
So, are you supporting two floppy drives? What about the DuoDisk? Maybe an option for that too?
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #377488 is a reply to message #377487] |
Wed, 05 December 2018 13:25 |
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Originally posted by: cb meeks
On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 1:24:48 PM UTC-5, cb meeks wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 11:35:34 AM UTC-5, Egan Ford wrote:
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>> IMHO, these stands are mandatory given how active the II HW development
>> scene is. Slide out, and/remove cards, slide back in.
>>
>
> Agreed.
>
> What would be cool would be to have the Apple sit on a sliding base. The base could be on some casters so that you could easily pull the II in/out.
>
> So, are you supporting two floppy drives? What about the DuoDisk? Maybe an option for that too?
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Ugh...stupid proportional fonts. My crude drawing didn't come out right.
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #377551 is a reply to message #377488] |
Thu, 06 December 2018 03:33 |
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Originally posted by: James Davis
On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 10:25:26 AM UTC-8, cb meeks wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 1:24:48 PM UTC-5, cb meeks wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 11:35:34 AM UTC-5, Egan Ford wrote:
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>>> IMHO, these stands are mandatory given how active the II HW development
>>> scene is. Slide out, and/remove cards, slide back in.
>>>
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>> What would be cool would be to have the Apple sit on a sliding base. The base could be on some casters so that you could easily pull the II in/out.
>>
>> So, are you supporting two floppy drives? What about the DuoDisk? Maybe an option for that too?
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>> +------+
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>> +______+
>> -______-
>> ++++++++++++
>> + D1 ++ D2 +
>> ++++++++++++
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>> | computer |
>> ++++++++++++
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> Ugh...stupid proportional fonts. My crude drawing didn't come out right.
Your drawing is right-on the mark. You read my mind. But the baseboard that the computer sits on is not part of the stand; it is your computer table.
......!.Screen.!.....................
.....+==========+....(..==AirSpace)..
.....+=.D1..D2.=+....................
.....+==========+....................
.....+ Apple-II +....................
...================..(Computer-Desk).
...+..............+..................
...+..............+..................
...v..(etcetera)..v..................
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #377564 is a reply to message #377552] |
Thu, 06 December 2018 08:38 |
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Originally posted by: cb meeks
On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 3:36:39 AM UTC-5, James Davis wrote:
> Ugh...stupid proportional fonts. My drawing didn't come out right, either. Should have used another symbol for the airspace.
I can't wait for this. So, are you releasing drawings, measurements, etc.? My woodworking skills are only slightly better than Stevie Wonder's. I would more than likely have to get Lowes or Home Depot to cut the wood at the sizes I need.
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #377580 is a reply to message #377564] |
Thu, 06 December 2018 14:42 |
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Originally posted by: James Davis
On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 5:38:44 AM UTC-8, cb meeks wrote:
> On Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 3:36:39 AM UTC-5, James Davis wrote:
>> Ugh...stupid proportional fonts. My drawing didn't come out right, either. Should have used another symbol for the airspace.
>
> I can't wait for this. So, are you releasing drawings, measurements, etc..? My woodworking skills are only slightly better than Stevie Wonder's. I would more than likely have to get Lowes or Home Depot to cut the wood at the sizes I need.
Yes, sometime next week. Except for the shelves, all you'll need is a hand-saw and the skill to use it with a square. You can have 'Lowes' or 'Home Depot' cut the hardboard (man-made hardwood) shelves to size out of a 2-ft. square board, 1/4-inch thick. Or, you can buy high-density 1/4-inch plywood (1' x 2') boards from 'ACE Hardware' and cut them to the proper length (15.5" x 12"); but, this stuff is expensive.
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #377791 is a reply to message #377772] |
Sun, 09 December 2018 12:21 |
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Originally posted by: James Davis
On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 4:46:46 AM UTC-8, Anthony Lawther wrote:
> James Davis wrote:
>> Ugh...stupid proportional fonts. My drawing didn't come out right,
>> either. Should have used another symbol for the airspace.
>>
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> Both drawings worked perfectly in my newsreader, but then I have it set to
> use a monospaced for just that reason.
There are 3 methods that I sometimes use for this:
1. In MSIE, set the page to NO Style.
2. In Google Groups, view it in a REPLY window, then discard the reply.
3. Copy and Paste into Notepad or Wordpad.
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #377871 is a reply to message #377791] |
Mon, 10 December 2018 05:37 |
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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse
On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 4:21:15 AM UTC+11, James Davis wrote:
> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 4:46:46 AM UTC-8, Anthony Lawther wrote:
>> James Davis wrote:
>>> Ugh...stupid proportional fonts. My drawing didn't come out right,
>>> either. Should have used another symbol for the airspace.
>>>
>>
>> Both drawings worked perfectly in my newsreader, but then I have it set to
>> use a monospaced for just that reason.
>
> There are 3 methods that I sometimes use for this:
>
> 1. In MSIE, set the page to NO Style.
> 2. In Google Groups, view it in a REPLY window, then discard the reply.
> 3. Copy and Paste into Notepad or Wordpad.
If you can set the HTML for it, just wrap in in <pre> </pre> to have it rendered preformatted, it'll come out monospaced.
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #377883 is a reply to message #377580] |
Mon, 10 December 2018 09:39 |
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Originally posted by: joltenjoe
I don’t think your idea would be all that hard or expensive to do even if all you had was a hand saw and a drill.
I was looking at your ascii sketch and pictured 2 upright pieces with the strips screwed in 1/2 down from the tops and the horizontal top piece screwed into the strips (countersunk for neatness). No miter or dovetailing needed and nobody will see the strips holding it together. Homedepo can rough cut the boards into the lengths. The strips can be cut for you as well.
Home Depot has 1/2 MDF in 2x2 foot for about $5 and 2x4 foot (more like 49 inches) for about $10. The 1/4 is less but some of those monitors are heavy. They also sell 1/2 or 3/4 inch wood strips (hardwood if you want to get fancy) for less than a dollar a foot.
You could fill the screw holes with plastic wood and sand everything before painting or staining. You could also add strips parallel to the vertical for reinforced strength.
One last touch would be to add the hardware from an under the desk keyboard drawer to make the sliding shelf you mentioned. I suppose you could buy a pre-made desk shelf for about $30 and bend the mounting hardware knowing that the keyboard part of the IIe Wes’s beyond the edge of the tray.
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #377954 is a reply to message #377871] |
Mon, 10 December 2018 21:59 |
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Originally posted by: James Davis
On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 2:37:08 AM UTC-8, Anthony Adverse wrote:
> If you can set the HTML for it, just wrap in in <pre> </pre> to have it rendered preformatted, it'll come out monospaced.
>
> A
Not possible in real-time, I think, while looking at the page online with MSIE-11.
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #377955 is a reply to message #377954] |
Mon, 10 December 2018 22:01 |
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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse
On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:59:50 PM UTC+11, James Davis wrote:
> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 2:37:08 AM UTC-8, Anthony Adverse wrote:
>> If you can set the HTML for it, just wrap in in <pre> </pre> to have it rendered preformatted, it'll come out monospaced.
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>> A
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> Not possible in real-time, I think, while looking at the page online with MSIE-11.
no, but it might work while you post it
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #377956 is a reply to message #377883] |
Mon, 10 December 2018 22:04 |
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Originally posted by: James Davis
On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 6:39:07 AM UTC-8, joltenjoe wrote:
> I don’t think your idea would be all that hard or expensive to do even if all you had was a hand saw and a drill.
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> I was looking at your ascii sketch and pictured 2 upright pieces with the strips screwed in 1/2 down from the tops and the horizontal top piece screwed into the strips (countersunk for neatness). No miter or dovetailing needed and nobody will see the strips holding it together. Homedepo can rough cut the boards into the lengths. The strips can be cut for you as well..
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> Home Depot has 1/2 MDF in 2x2 foot for about $5 and 2x4 foot (more like 49 inches) for about $10. The 1/4 is less but some of those monitors are heavy. They also sell 1/2 or 3/4 inch wood strips (hardwood if you want to get fancy) for less than a dollar a foot.
>
> You could fill the screw holes with plastic wood and sand everything before painting or staining. You could also add strips parallel to the vertical for reinforced strength.
>
> One last touch would be to add the hardware from an under the desk keyboard drawer to make the sliding shelf you mentioned. I suppose you could buy a pre-made desk shelf for about $30 and bend the mounting hardware knowing that the keyboard part of the IIe Wes’s beyond the edge of the tray..
Sounds like you have already seen my sketches. I'll be uploading to Asimov incoming later tonight or tomorrow in the wee hours:
Apple II Disk Drive & Monitor Stand.zip
containing:
Apple II Disk Drive & Monitor Stand - Instructions.rtf
Apple II Disk Drive & Monitor Stand - Instructions.txt
Apple II Disk Drive & Monitor Stand - Sketch-1.gif
Apple II Disk Drive & Monitor Stand - Sketch-2.gif
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #377957 is a reply to message #377955] |
Mon, 10 December 2018 22:11 |
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Originally posted by: James Davis
On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 7:01:58 PM UTC-8, Anthony Adverse wrote:
> no, but it might work while you post it
I use Google Groups to post with.
It looks OK when I post it, but not when GG posts it back to the visible webpage.
Is there a way to set MSIE11 to monospaced viewing other than removing the style?
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #378146 is a reply to message #377956] |
Thu, 13 December 2018 11:59 |
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Originally posted by: joltenjoe
Your design might blend in better than my idea. I was describing a 2 solid side support concept with 2 shelves that span the width and hold the thing together. I was using the 1/2 or 3/4 inch strips solely as screw supports between the MDF pieces. I suppose mine is a little like a footstool or bottomless mini bookcase.
Maybe I’d need to draw it. I lack the patience to try my hand at ascii Art.
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #378163 is a reply to message #378146] |
Thu, 13 December 2018 22:17 |
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Originally posted by: James Davis
On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 8:59:34 AM UTC-8, joltenjoe wrote:
> Your design might blend in better than my idea. I was describing a 2 solid side support concept with 2 shelves that span the width and hold the thing together. I was using the 1/2 or 3/4 inch strips solely as screw supports between the MDF pieces. I suppose mine is a little like a footstool or bottomless mini bookcase.
>
> Maybe I’d need to draw it. I lack the patience to try my hand at ascii Art.
Unless arched, solid sides from top to bottom prevents the use of a System Saver fan and impedes airflow through the vents on the upper sides of the Apple II case. That is why I designed it with just four legs. I also built a monitor stand before that used an arch in two solid sides that supported on shelf. The easiest thing to make is a shelf with four conical screw-on legs, then stack two of them up.
Just use isometric graph paper to guide your drawing, like I did. ASCII drawings are too confusing for some people. Not everyone can imagine them spacially.
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #378164 is a reply to message #378125] |
Thu, 13 December 2018 22:23 |
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Originally posted by: James Davis
On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 10:46:22 PM UTC-8, awanderin wrote:
> James Davis .. writes:
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>> Hi all,
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>> Here it is:
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>> ftp://public.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/documentation/hardware/ misc/
>> Apple II Disk Drive & Monitor Stand.zip
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>> ftp://public.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/documentation/hardware/ misc/Apple%20II%20Disk%20Drive%20&%20Monitor%20Stand.zip
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>> Take a look and tell everyone what you think about the stand here in this forum.
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> That looks good, and would be fairly easy to make for most folks.
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> For those who want something fancier, it's a great start. Thanks for
> drawing it up!
>
>
> --
> Jerry awanderin at gmail dot com
Thanks! Finishing nails, instead of screws, with yellow wood glue, would be even easier for most folks to make the stand.
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| Re: Apple II disk drive and monitor stand [message #378214 is a reply to message #378189] |
Fri, 14 December 2018 18:25 |
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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse
On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 4:20:53 AM UTC+11, James Davis wrote:
> So, no more comments?
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> Did you all, run out to make your stands?
Solid sides with a cutout would work nicely and probably be more sympathetic to the IIe design than the admittedly easier conical legs. You could mirror the shape of the IIe case in the cutouts even. Actually I suspect solid sides will give you better torsional rigidity ;)
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