| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378929 is a reply to message #378698] |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 18:39:41 GMT, nobody@example.org (Scott) wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 10:42:50 -0600, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 20:24:51 -0500, J. Clarke
>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 16:55:29 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>> How many buying those trucks really need it? I dare say a very
>>>> substantial number rationalize their need and only get it because
>>>> they want the psychological pleasure of driving a big vehicle.
>>>
>>> Nobody has appointed you arbiter of others' needs. If you want to
>>> live in a society where each gets according to what someone like you
>>> percieves to be his needs, you might try Cuba.
>>
>> In every part of the United States I have lived in, buying a V8 pickup
>> was an ego thing; however, some bought them for their business like
>> plumbing, electrical, etc.
>
> It might be ironic that most of what are sold as a "truck" at the
> consumer level (well, in the USA anyway) are scarcely that. They call
> things "trucks" that cannot carry a stack of plywood or lumber, a
> scoop of mulch or some baby trees, or tow another truck of its own
> kind on a trailer.
>
> When I needed a truck, I needed a truck and not a truck-shaped car.
> Oddly enough, nothing with a V-8 was good enough. The right truck
> turned out to have an inline 6-cylinder engine.
I have seen V-8 pickups hauling such things.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378930 is a reply to message #378716] |
Sun, 23 December 2018 18:22 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 16:41:35 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 16:09:05 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach
> <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
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>> On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 10:49:20 -0600, JimP wrote:
>>>
>>> On 20 Dec 2018 09:33:57 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2018-12-20, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > In an era where extracting oil is more and more expensive
>>>> > and destructive, and comes out of politically unstable countries,
>>>> > we need to conserve it. What will happen to our economy if gasoline
>>>> > hits $5/gallon?
>>>>
>>>> Boo-fucking-hoo. Petrol has been well over $5/gallon in Europe for many
>>>> many years.
>>>
>>> The oil glut hasn't driven your prices down ? It has here. We are at
>>> $1.89/gal right now.
>>
>> Oil is traditional more expensive in European countries than the US. May
>> be because they close zero own oil. Some countries drill in the North-Sea
>> but that alone isn't enough so they import from oil rich countries in the
>> Arab world.
>
> I think JimP should remember that the oil glut is substantially an
> American phenomenon. The US is the largest producer, followed by
> Saudi, then Russia, then the little guys, none of which produce more
> than half what Russia produces.
We get about one-third from US like the Gulf of Mexico, one-third from
Canadian Shale, and one-third from other sources.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378931 is a reply to message #378718] |
Sun, 23 December 2018 18:27 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 14:10:21 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 10:11:13 PM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2018-12-20, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 6:07:03 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> For every kid that gets abducted by a stranger 90 run away from home
>>>> voluntarily. 1 percent of children who die in the United States are
>>>> murdered by strangers who abducted them. If you want to protect your
>>>> kid you really should be working on the other 99 percent.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the fear over child abduction has been driven, in part,
>>> by abduction by estranged parents in custody battles.
>>>
>>> The decay of marriage has created a lot of warring parents. Terrible
>>> for all.
>>>
>>> I must admit it's something I don't understand. How do two people
>>> willing to bed each other turn into bitter enemies not long
>>> afterwards? Happens quite a bit these days. IMHO, this is a
>>> big contributor of social ills.
>>
>> Those damned hormones...
>
> I wonder if years ago if people, overall, were responsible about
> keeping their zipper up and being responsible about sex. However,
> I don't know the statistics on this.
Most of us did in the early to mid-1960s in my area in Texas. But
there were students who 'went to a cousin's house to visit' and came
back slimmer. We weren't supposed to notice she was no longer pregnant
nor that she had been pregnant. Gas stations back then didn't sell
condoms. When my folks and I traveled outside Texas to visit
relatives, I started seeing 'sold for the prevention of disease only'
condom machines for 25 cents each.
> Admittedly, the forced marriages of the old days were definitely
> not a panacea. A lot of those couples were resentful and bitter
> and this led to a lousy family life.
My grandpa called them 'shot gun weddings'.
> One of the dirty secrets of the "wonderful" 1950s was that
> many families were the result of quickie or forced marriages
> inspired by the war. A number (I don't know the percentage)
> were very unhappy, but the families suffered in silence since
> no one talked about those things. The kids of those marriages
> grew up to be troubled and troublemakers.
My first dad had flashbacks to his time in Axis POW camps. My parents
divorced when I was 3 or 4 years of age. Mom remarried when I was 7.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378932 is a reply to message #378764] |
Sun, 23 December 2018 18:50 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On 21 Dec 2018 08:24:36 GMT, maus <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
> On 2018-12-20, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 20 Dec 2018 22:16:10 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-12-20, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How to get highway tax out of electric cars is a problem our
>>>> government hasn't dealt with. There have been proposals for a tax on
>>>> miles traveled but there have also been proposals to lynch the persons
>>>> proposing such a model as any mechanism for enforcing it is seen as
>>>> inordinately intrusive by many people.
>>>
>>> Probably the same people who have OnStar in their cars watching over
>>> them,
>>
>> You mean GM customers?
>>
>>> plus smartphones acting as electronic ankle bracelets...
>>
>> I can turn off a phone. Turning off the car while driving is not
>> nearly as practical. In any case, neither is reporting one's
>> movements directly to the government.
>>
> To have any affect, you need to remove the battery, _and_ get
> someone qualified to check that there is not another tiny battery
> somewhere that is powering the location thingie.
>
> For real protection, one would better drive over the smartphone, collect
> the pieces and throw them into a river, at midnight, on a night with
> no moon.
And total cloud cover so one of the over 4,000 satellites taking
photos of the Earth don't take your picture doing that.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378937 is a reply to message #376693] |
Sun, 23 December 2018 20:30 |
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On 2018-12-22, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2018-12-22, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
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>> On 2018-12-21, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>
>>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> OK, looks like it's time to dig out my Grinchified Xmas carols:
>>>
>>> I trust you've seen the movie of Terry Pratchett's _Hogfather_.
>>>
>>> The appearance of the Hogfather [1] in the department store at the
>>> peak of holiday shopping frenzy is priceless.
>>>
>>> [1] Well, his understudy, but no spoilers here if you have yet to see
>>> it.
>>
>> I have seen it, but it was a while ago, and Terry Pratchett's sense of
>> humour, although delightful, is just a bit off from mine.
>
> BURN THE HERETIC!!!!
Have mercy, I beg you! I found the 2-disc set of the TV adaptation
that a friend gave me a while ago; I've already watched the first one,
and will watch the second later tonight.
Hope all is forgiven, and happy Hogswatch to you all.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378938 is a reply to message #378929] |
Sun, 23 December 2018 20:50 |
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Originally posted by: nobody
On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 17:18:12 -0600, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 18:39:41 GMT, nobody@example.org (Scott) wrote:
>> It might be ironic that most of what are sold as a "truck" at the
>> consumer level (well, in the USA anyway) are scarcely that. They call
>> things "trucks" that cannot carry a stack of plywood or lumber, a
>> scoop of mulch or some baby trees, or tow another truck of its own
>> kind on a trailer.
>>
> I have seen V-8 pickups hauling such things.
Some will, of course, but ones that do tend to be worse in the
passenger comfort department. So the market wants, and gets, vehicles
that look like a truck but ride like a car, and as a consequence have
the cargo abilities of a car, which is to say not much.
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| Re: searching for the answer to Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378940 is a reply to message #378921] |
Sun, 23 December 2018 20:55 |
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Originally posted by: nobody
On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 15:07:55 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach
<ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 23:31:05 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:
>>
>> In article <pvmf4c$l9b$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> maus <mausg@mail.com> writes:
>>> I'm still not sure what you mean.
>>> Isn't duck-duck-go doing Google searches?
>>
>> I believe it's Bing underneath.
>
> From what I understand it's a meta crawler.
>
> In my opinion the quality of the search result is poor compared to Google.
I find DDG's search results are far superior to Google's, when Google
decides that because (a) I don't run Javascript and (b) I don't store
cookies, I must be a robot and so it blacklists my IP address.
But I could be wrong.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378941 is a reply to message #378889] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 01:57 |
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In article <slrnq1ul7j.1o5.mausg@dmaus.org>, maus <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
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> Something, pick a random word, your script enters it in googles search box,
> clicks on Submit, the script waits a random time, submits another, and so on.
>
> Reason would to hide your real searches in a fug of spurious ones.
>
> Last time i did that, i was 'suspended' for while.
a few years ago google would shut you down after fifty odd automated
requests. dunno what the limit is now. you can buy access for automated
searches from from them, expensive.
sidd
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378942 is a reply to message #378854] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 02:01 |
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In article <pvlq3j$kcj$1@dont-email.me>,
Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Avoid being tracked? How about license plate readers?
now those are an issue. The repo guys and cops now have readers on all
their vehicles recording at all times, synchronized with DMV data.
And probably car thieves too.
Anytime you park on the street or any publicly visible spot, you are
vulnerable. There are thousands if not tens of thousands in readers
cruising the roads at any given time in the USA.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378943 is a reply to message #378942] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 03:04 |
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On 2018-12-24, sidd@adagio.(none) (sidd) <sidd@adagio> wrote:
> In article <pvlq3j$kcj$1@dont-email.me>,
> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Avoid being tracked? How about license plate readers?
>
> now those are an issue. The repo guys and cops now have readers on all
> their vehicles recording at all times, synchronized with DMV data.
> And probably car thieves too.
>
> Anytime you park on the street or any publicly visible spot, you are
> vulnerable. There are thousands if not tens of thousands in readers
> cruising the roads at any given time in the USA.
>
> sidd
>
I am told that the readers in the cop cars take a minute or so to
get up to speed. which is why they avoid turning off the engines
if possible.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378944 is a reply to message #378928] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 03:08 |
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On 2018-12-23, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 18:05:04 GMT, nobody@example.org (Scott) wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 10:51:57 -0600, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 1950s in Texas gasoline was 25 cents per gallon. When it went up to 50
>>> cents people were very upset. Someone predicted on television it might
>>> go up to $1.50 in 2 decades. Yeah, they were a bit off.
>>
>> It's funny how folks always remember how much gas or a soda cost when
>> they were young, but they seem to forget how big their paychecks were.
>
> I didn't have a pay check then, I had a $2 a week allowance I used on
> comic books and candy.
>
> --
> Jim
There was a time when paying people with anything else than cash, or bank
transfer was illegal. Before that time, some people would be paid in
couponly-like things that could be used only in certain shops, usually
ones owned by the same company.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378947 is a reply to message #378937] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 03:17 |
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
> Have mercy, I beg you! I found the 2-disc set of the TV adaptation
> that a friend gave me a while ago; I've already watched the first one,
> and will watch the second later tonight.
>
> Hope all is forgiven...
Yes.
> ...and happy Hogswatch to you all.
And the same to you. We'll watch the whole thing Monday evening.
Must go bait the trap for the Eater of Socks.
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Redo from start.
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| Re: searching for the answer to Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378951 is a reply to message #378940] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 03:29 |
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nobody@example.org (Scott) writes:
> I find DDG's search results are far superior to Google's, when Google
> decides that because (a) I don't run Javascript and (b) I don't store
> cookies, I must be a robot and so it blacklists my IP address.
>
> But I could be wrong.
Just once in many years I received a response from Gwgle search saying
I looked like a robot.
I don't enable cookies or js and I contrive not to route search "hits"
on which I click back through Gwgle. So Gwglw knows my IP addy made
the query and knows when I click on the "cached" versions of docs but
doesn't get the tracking data appended to "hit" URLs normally routed
back through the Gwgle server.
And I get a different IP addy every time I dial up, too.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378952 is a reply to message #378931] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 03:46 |
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JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 14:10:21 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>> I wonder if years ago if people, overall, were responsible about
>> keeping their zipper up and being responsible about sex. However,
>> I don't know the statistics on this.
>
> Most of us did in the early to mid-1960s in my area in Texas. But
> there were students who 'went to a cousin's house to visit' and came
> back slimmer. We weren't supposed to notice she was no longer pregnant
> nor that she had been pregnant. Gas stations back then didn't sell
> condoms. When my folks and I traveled outside Texas to visit
> relatives, I started seeing 'sold for the prevention of disease only'
> condom machines for 25 cents each.
Massachusetts, 1955, I was a kid with a part time job in a local
drugstore. Guy comes in, approaches the counter, looks all around,
mutters, "Three". Becomes agitated when I asked, "Three what?"
Demands to see the pharmacist.
Oh, right. Three condoms pre-wrapped in brown paper. "Sold for the
prevention of disease only".
As entertaining as the old lady who came in once a month with her
clinking shopping bag. Hitting all the drug stores in town, on foot,
for her statutorily allowed three bottles of peregoric.
They had two cartons of already very old Ramses cigarettes in the back
of the tobacco storage cabinet. I should have bought them. Probably
be worth a fortune today. Really nice package art. I stopped in 25
years later and asked if they were still there. Nope.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378961 is a reply to message #378952] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 05:39 |
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On 24 Dec 2018 04:46:32 -0400
Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
> Massachusetts, 1955, I was a kid with a part time job in a local
> drugstore. Guy comes in, approaches the counter, looks all around,
> mutters, "Three". Becomes agitated when I asked, "Three what?"
> Demands to see the pharmacist.
Customer in the newsagent:
1970s: TWENTY MARLBORO ... <whisper>and a packet of condoms please</whisper>
2000s: A PACKET OF CONDOMS PLEASE ... <whisper>and twenty marlboro<whisper>
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Mon, 24 December 2018 05:43 |
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 07:01:27 +0000 (UTC)
sidd@adagio.(none) (sidd) wrote:
> In article <pvlq3j$kcj$1@dont-email.me>,
> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Avoid being tracked? How about license plate readers?
>
> now those are an issue. The repo guys and cops now have readers on all
> their vehicles recording at all times, synchronized with DMV data.
> And probably car thieves too.
So spot a car of the same make, model, colour and year
(approximately) as yours and have a plate made, do it several times and use
them when you want to be anonymous. Just don't get stopped showing them!
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378963 is a reply to message #376693] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 05:50 |
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On 24 Dec 2018 10:25:26 GMT
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> The American obsession with pickup trucks is another of the oddities about
> that country. They're rare here (UK), and unknown among non-commercial
> users.
Not quite unknown, things like the Toyota Hiace are popular with the
horse owning crowd as they make easy work of pulling a horse box across a
muddy field. They usually have fancy high covers over the load bed making
them look a bit like oversized estate cars. They're sometimes registered
commercial but they never see commercial use.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378973 is a reply to message #376693] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 11:19 |
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On 2018-12-24, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2018-12-24, Scott <nobody@example.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 17:18:12 -0600, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 18:39:41 GMT, nobody@example.org (Scott) wrote:
>>>> It might be ironic that most of what are sold as a "truck" at the
>>>> consumer level (well, in the USA anyway) are scarcely that. They call
>>>> things "trucks" that cannot carry a stack of plywood or lumber, a
>>>> scoop of mulch or some baby trees, or tow another truck of its own
>>>> kind on a trailer.
>>>>
>>> I have seen V-8 pickups hauling such things.
>>
>> Some will, of course, but ones that do tend to be worse in the
>> passenger comfort department. So the market wants, and gets, vehicles
>> that look like a truck but ride like a car, and as a consequence have
>> the cargo abilities of a car, which is to say not much.
>
> The American obsession with pickup trucks is another of the oddities about
> that country. They're rare here (UK), and unknown among non-commercial
> users.
>
>
Native Americans like them, I believe.
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Mon, 24 December 2018 11:27 |
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On 2018-12-24, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 24 Dec 2018 10:25:26 GMT
> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>> The American obsession with pickup trucks is another of the oddities about
>> that country. They're rare here (UK), and unknown among non-commercial
>> users.
>
> Not quite unknown, things like the Toyota Hiace are popular with the
^Hilux^
> horse owning crowd as they make easy work of pulling a horse box across a
> muddy field.
With weights over the rear wheels.
They usually have fancy high covers over the load bed making
> them look a bit like oversized estate cars. They're sometimes registered
> commercial but they never see commercial use.
>
I beg to differ on that. If we are discussing the same vehicle, one
motering progtam on BBC some years ago tried to break one, even if
some of the tests were spurious, I think, (The one that they left
it for the tide to cover and it started with a fresh battery), its
recoverability was impressive.
Unfortunatly, they arrived after my arthritis left me unable to
get out of one. Get in, all right. Sometime later.
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Mon, 24 December 2018 11:29 |
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On 2018-12-24, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 24 Dec 2018 04:46:32 -0400
> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> Massachusetts, 1955, I was a kid with a part time job in a local
>> drugstore. Guy comes in, approaches the counter, looks all around,
>> mutters, "Three". Becomes agitated when I asked, "Three what?"
>> Demands to see the pharmacist.
>
> Customer in the newsagent:
>
> 1970s: TWENTY MARLBORO ... <whisper>and a packet of condoms please</whisper>
> 2000s: A PACKET OF CONDOMS PLEASE ... <whisper>and twenty marlboro<whisper>
>
That must be Kerry. Around here, a certain chemist in a certain town,
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Mon, 24 December 2018 13:04 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On 24 Dec 2018 16:27:10 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2018-12-24, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On 24 Dec 2018 10:25:26 GMT
>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> The American obsession with pickup trucks is another of the oddities about
>>> that country. They're rare here (UK), and unknown among non-commercial
>>> users.
>>
>> Not quite unknown, things like the Toyota Hiace are popular with the
> ^Hilux^
>
>> horse owning crowd as they make easy work of pulling a horse box across a
>> muddy field.
>
> With weights over the rear wheels.
>
> They usually have fancy high covers over the load bed making
>> them look a bit like oversized estate cars. They're sometimes registered
>> commercial but they never see commercial use.
>>
>
> I beg to differ on that. If we are discussing the same vehicle, one
> motering progtam on BBC some years ago tried to break one, even if
> some of the tests were spurious, I think, (The one that they left
> it for the tide to cover and it started with a fresh battery), its
> recoverability was impressive.
They also crossed the Channel in the Nissan equivalent with an
outboard motor attached to the tailgate.
> Unfortunatly, they arrived after my arthritis left me unable to
> get out of one. Get in, all right. Sometime later.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378983 is a reply to message #376693] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 13:43 |
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 09:53:08 -0600, Dave Garland
<dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> On 12/21/2018 4:10 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>
>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Perhaps an adjustment in taxation is in order, something like the long
>>>> vs short term capital gains tax only applied to houses--live there 40
>>>> years and sell you pay a low tax, live there 5 years and sell you get
>>>> taxed 100 percent on any profit. That would cut down heavily on the
>>>> "investment" aspect.
One nasty side-effect would be to effectively imprison some
people. Suppose a family has the finances to afford a house but not
much more, but then has good reason to move. An example would be an
out-of-town parent now needing closer supervision.
>>> Hah! Yes. While you're up, get me one of those for stocks, too.
>>>
>>> Buy into a company, hold 20 years, small capital gains or none.
>>> Escalating tax scale as hold shortens. Flip it in days, 100% tax, in
>>> minutes or milliseconds, 140% tax. That'll take care of casino
>>> capitalism and the financialization of everything. :-o
>>>
>>> Next year, eh?
>> That's the difference between long-and short-term capital gains, but I
>> think the time period is only a year.
>>
> In the US, anyhow. Mike's right, we need a severely escalating scale.
> Much of our market is now controlled by computers trading on their own
> volition in extremely short time intervals. That should make everyone
> queasy. Though a 1% transaction tax would probably take care of that
> extreme problem by necessitating adult supervision. (Gene Wirchenko
> had an item in Risks Digest about this, an example being Berkshire
> Hathaway stock being skewed because trading computers saw news about
> actress Anne Hathaway.)
AI is just so wonderful except when it is not.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378984 is a reply to message #378637] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 14:18 |
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 20:24:51 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 16:55:29 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 6:19:03 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> ??? The best selling vehicle in the United States in 2017 was the
>>> Ford F-Series, second best was the Chevrolet Silverado, third best was
>>> the Dodge Ram series.
>>
>> How many buying those trucks really need it? I dare say a very
>> substantial number rationalize their need and only get it because
>> they want the psychological pleasure of driving a big vehicle.
>
> Nobody has appointed you arbiter of others' needs. If you want to
> live in a society where each gets according to what someone like you
> percieves to be his needs, you might try Cuba.
Who says he is doing that? I think his comment is on people
being wasteful.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378987 is a reply to message #378984] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 14:31 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 11:18:04 -0800, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 20:24:51 -0500, J. Clarke
> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 16:55:29 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 6:19:03 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> ??? The best selling vehicle in the United States in 2017 was the
>>>> Ford F-Series, second best was the Chevrolet Silverado, third best was
>>>> the Dodge Ram series.
>>>
>>> How many buying those trucks really need it? I dare say a very
>>> substantial number rationalize their need and only get it because
>>> they want the psychological pleasure of driving a big vehicle.
>>
>> Nobody has appointed you arbiter of others' needs. If you want to
>> live in a society where each gets according to what someone like you
>> percieves to be his needs, you might try Cuba.
>
> Who says he is doing that? I think his comment is on people
> being wasteful.
Which is a judgment. It's not his business what other people drive.
For my daily commute I could most days get by with a Vespa. So am I
doing wrong to drive something more substantial to work? For that
matter, am I doing wrong to not just by a house across the street from
work and walk?
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378988 is a reply to message #378983] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 14:32 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 10:43:36 -0800, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 09:53:08 -0600, Dave Garland
> <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/21/2018 4:10 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
>>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > Perhaps an adjustment in taxation is in order, something like the long
>>>> > vs short term capital gains tax only applied to houses--live there 40
>>>> > years and sell you pay a low tax, live there 5 years and sell you get
>>>> > taxed 100 percent on any profit. That would cut down heavily on the
>>>> > "investment" aspect.
>
> One nasty side-effect would be to effectively imprison some
> people. Suppose a family has the finances to afford a house but not
> much more, but then has good reason to move. An example would be an
> out-of-town parent now needing closer supervision.
That's happened in California. There could be an inflation
adjustment. The idea is that people don't try to get rich by flipping
houses.
>
>>>> Hah! Yes. While you're up, get me one of those for stocks, too.
>>>>
>>>> Buy into a company, hold 20 years, small capital gains or none.
>>>> Escalating tax scale as hold shortens. Flip it in days, 100% tax, in
>>>> minutes or milliseconds, 140% tax. That'll take care of casino
>>>> capitalism and the financialization of everything. :-o
>>>>
>>>> Next year, eh?
>
>>> That's the difference between long-and short-term capital gains, but I
>>> think the time period is only a year.
>>>
>> In the US, anyhow. Mike's right, we need a severely escalating scale.
>> Much of our market is now controlled by computers trading on their own
>> volition in extremely short time intervals. That should make everyone
>> queasy. Though a 1% transaction tax would probably take care of that
>> extreme problem by necessitating adult supervision. (Gene Wirchenko
>> had an item in Risks Digest about this, an example being Berkshire
>> Hathaway stock being skewed because trading computers saw news about
>> actress Anne Hathaway.)
>
> AI is just so wonderful except when it is not.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378993 is a reply to message #378987] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 15:01 |
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Originally posted by: Kerr-Mudd,John
On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 19:31:09 GMT, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 11:18:04 -0800, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 20:24:51 -0500, J. Clarke
>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 16:55:29 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 6:19:03 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > ??? The best selling vehicle in the United States in 2017 was the
>>>> > Ford F-Series, second best was the Chevrolet Silverado, third best
>>>> > was the Dodge Ram series.
>>>>
>>>> How many buying those trucks really need it? I dare say a very
>>>> substantial number rationalize their need and only get it because
>>>> they want the psychological pleasure of driving a big vehicle.
>>>
>>> Nobody has appointed you arbiter of others' needs. If you want to
>>> live in a society where each gets according to what someone like you
>>> percieves to be his needs, you might try Cuba.
>>
>> Who says he is doing that? I think his comment is on people
>> being wasteful.
>
> Which is a judgment. It's not his business what other people drive.
> For my daily commute I could most days get by with a Vespa. So am I
> doing wrong to drive something more substantial to work? For that
> matter, am I doing wrong to not just by a house across the street from
> work and walk?
>
Yes. You are feeling guilty and lashing out. Please listen to your
conscience.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378994 is a reply to message #378925] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 15:20 |
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On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 17:00:59 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
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> On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 16:24:34 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach
> <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 15:07:38 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>> The assumption you are making is that there is a bank account. A
>>> prepaid card doesn't have an associated bank account, at least not one
>>> associated with the cardholder.
>>
>> I meant the RFD card is "hybrid". You can tickets on it by registering
>> it the transportation company so they draw money from your bank account
>> or credit card, thus have your name. Or use their machines or counter to
>> by a certain number of tickets and pay with cash. Latter leaves you
>> anonymous.
>
> I think we've had a failure to communicate.
We probably have. I was referring to
| Yes, my local public transit sells RFID cards for that, with scanners
| in buses and on rail platforms. "Wave On, Wave Off", they say.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378995 is a reply to message #378993] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 15:35 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 20:01:53 -0000 (UTC), "Kerr-Mudd,John"
<notsaying@invalid.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 19:31:09 GMT, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 11:18:04 -0800, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 20:24:51 -0500, J. Clarke
>>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 16:55:29 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 6:19:03 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke
>>>> >wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> ??? The best selling vehicle in the United States in 2017 was the
>>>> >> Ford F-Series, second best was the Chevrolet Silverado, third best
>>>> >> was the Dodge Ram series.
>>>> >
>>>> >How many buying those trucks really need it? I dare say a very
>>>> >substantial number rationalize their need and only get it because
>>>> >they want the psychological pleasure of driving a big vehicle.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody has appointed you arbiter of others' needs. If you want to
>>>> live in a society where each gets according to what someone like you
>>>> percieves to be his needs, you might try Cuba.
>>>
>>> Who says he is doing that? I think his comment is on people
>>> being wasteful.
>>
>> Which is a judgment. It's not his business what other people drive.
>> For my daily commute I could most days get by with a Vespa. So am I
>> doing wrong to drive something more substantial to work? For that
>> matter, am I doing wrong to not just by a house across the street from
>> work and walk?
>>
>
> Yes. You are feeling guilty and lashing out. Please listen to your
> conscience.
<plonk>
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #379000 is a reply to message #378988] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 16:23 |
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On 2018-12-24, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 10:43:36 -0800, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 09:53:08 -0600, Dave Garland
>> <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/21/2018 4:10 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>> >
>>> In the US, anyhow. Mike's right, we need a severely escalating scale.
>>> Much of our market is now controlled by computers trading on their own
>>> volition in extremely short time intervals. That should make everyone
>>> queasy. Though a 1% transaction tax would probably take care of that
>>> extreme problem by necessitating adult supervision. (Gene Wirchenko
>>> had an item in Risks Digest about this, an example being Berkshire
>>> Hathaway stock being skewed because trading computers saw news about
>>> actress Anne Hathaway.)
>>
>> AI is just so wonderful except when it is not.
Artificial Insimination works well, if you want a baby, but don't like men.
((and, of course, if you are a woman, but you can always hire a poor Indian woman))
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #379001 is a reply to message #376693] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 16:25 |
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On 2018-12-24, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> On 12/24/2018 10:19 AM, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>> On 2018-12-24, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> The American obsession with pickup trucks is another of the oddities about
>>> that country. They're rare here (UK), and unknown among non-commercial
>>> users.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Native Americans like them, I believe.
>>
>
> I live in an urban area with a relatively high number of Native
> Americans. If I had to say, I'd say they were less likely to have a
> pickup than a white suburbanite. (The classic "rez" vehicle would be a
> 15 year old full-size Ford that's badly rusted and has the trunk
> and/or hood held closed with a bungie cord, and a dreamcatcher
> dangling from the rearview mirror.) It's possible that pickups are
> more common in other areas, especially rural areas, as people there do
> actually use them for hauling things.
Picture from somewhere of a navaho tribal meeting.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #379008 is a reply to message #376693] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 17:53 |
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Originally posted by: nobody
On 24 Dec 2018 10:25:26 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2018-12-24, Scott <nobody@example.org> wrote:
>> Some will, of course, but ones that do tend to be worse in the
>> passenger comfort department. So the market wants, and gets, vehicles
>> that look like a truck but ride like a car, and as a consequence have
>> the cargo abilities of a car, which is to say not much.
>
> The American obsession with pickup trucks is another of the oddities about
> that country. They're rare here (UK), and unknown among non-commercial
> users.
Well, don't look now, but I think there might be some small cultural
differences betwen the UK and the US in regard to private vehicles.
Some Americans choose their vehicles for vain purposes. I'm sure that
nobody in the UK ever opts for a luxury or sports car when a plain old
hatchback or estate is the practical choice.
In the US I can think of some valid applications for non-commercial
use of pickup trucks. A lot of us like our RVs, including travel or
camping trailers (caravans to you). Some camping trailers are small
enough to tow by car, many are not. Some are much, much bigger and
heavier - to the point that they would require special licensing if
they were commercial, but we have a legal exception for private
vehicles (wise or not, that's another subject). To take these
anywhere, you have to have a truck.
In my part of the country, rodeo and livestock events are not
uncommon. You can think of a Toyota Hilux pulling a one- or two-horse
trailer, I can think you're not even close. My cousin does amateur
horse stuff, usually taking four or five horses plus all of their
equipment, tack, harnessing and feed for multi-day events. That takes
big horse trailer and a truck to match. (When I say that, I mean a
"big horse" trailer - he competes with draft horses, which are about
twice the size of a race horse.)
In my case, I have a truck camper, a self-contained living unit that
fits in the bed of a pickup, and can nominally be loaded and unloaded
as needed (in practice it's a farking hassle). Mine is on the bigger,
heavier end of the scale, so I needed a truck that could safely carry
5000 lbs (2300kg).
And then there are boat owners. I was one for a while, quite happy not
to now or ever again. (If it floats, flies, or f...copulates, it's
better to rent.)
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #379009 is a reply to message #379001] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 17:58 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On 24 Dec 2018 21:25:50 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2018-12-24, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>> On 12/24/2018 10:19 AM, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>> On 2018-12-24, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> The American obsession with pickup trucks is another of the oddities about
>>>> that country. They're rare here (UK), and unknown among non-commercial
>>>> users.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Native Americans like them, I believe.
>>>
>>
>> I live in an urban area with a relatively high number of Native
>> Americans. If I had to say, I'd say they were less likely to have a
>> pickup than a white suburbanite. (The classic "rez" vehicle would be a
>> 15 year old full-size Ford that's badly rusted and has the trunk
>> and/or hood held closed with a bungie cord, and a dreamcatcher
>> dangling from the rearview mirror.) It's possible that pickups are
>> more common in other areas, especially rural areas, as people there do
>> actually use them for hauling things.
>
> Picture from somewhere of a navaho tribal meeting.
Then there's another trope:
<https://youtu.be/_aYZrvG5BkY>
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #379013 is a reply to message #378974] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 18:13 |
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On 24 Dec 2018 16:27:10 GMT
mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2018-12-24, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> They usually have fancy high covers over the load bed making
>> them look a bit like oversized estate cars. They're sometimes registered
>> commercial but they never see commercial use.
>>
>
> I beg to differ on that. If we are discussing the same vehicle, one
I meant the ones used by the horse owning crowd never see
commercial use even if registered that way. I know of a fair few far less
pretty examples in heavy use.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #379014 is a reply to message #378987] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 19:07 |
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On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 12:31:10 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 11:18:04 -0800, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
> wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 20:24:51 -0500, J. Clarke
>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 16:55:29 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>> How many buying those trucks really need it? I dare say a very
>>>> substantial number rationalize their need and only get it because
>>>> they want the psychological pleasure of driving a big vehicle.
>>> Nobody has appointed you arbiter of others' needs. If you want to
>>> live in a society where each gets according to what someone like you
>>> percieves to be his needs, you might try Cuba.
>> Who says he is doing that? I think his comment is on people
>> being wasteful.
> Which is a judgment. It's not his business what other people drive.
> For my daily commute I could most days get by with a Vespa. So am I
> doing wrong to drive something more substantial to work? For that
> matter, am I doing wrong to not just by a house across the street from
> work and walk?
The free market is indeed a wonderful thing. However, it doesn't take externalities into account by itself. Surely you have the intelligence to realize that.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #379015 is a reply to message #379014] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 20:38 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 16:07:16 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 12:31:10 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 11:18:04 -0800, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 20:24:51 -0500, J. Clarke
>>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 16:55:29 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>>>> >How many buying those trucks really need it? I dare say a very
>>>> >substantial number rationalize their need and only get it because
>>>> >they want the psychological pleasure of driving a big vehicle.
>
>>>> Nobody has appointed you arbiter of others' needs. If you want to
>>>> live in a society where each gets according to what someone like you
>>>> percieves to be his needs, you might try Cuba.
>
>>> Who says he is doing that? I think his comment is on people
>>> being wasteful.
>
>> Which is a judgment. It's not his business what other people drive.
>> For my daily commute I could most days get by with a Vespa. So am I
>> doing wrong to drive something more substantial to work? For that
>> matter, am I doing wrong to not just by a house across the street from
>> work and walk?
>
> The free market is indeed a wonderful thing. However, it doesn't take externalities into account by itself. Surely you have the intelligence to realize that.
If I want to "take externalities into account" whatever that means
that's my business.
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #379016 is a reply to message #379000] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 21:17 |
Gene Wirchenko
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On 24 Dec 2018 21:23:25 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2018-12-24, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 10:43:36 -0800, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 09:53:08 -0600, Dave Garland
>>> <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/21/2018 4:10 AM, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> > Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> In the US, anyhow. Mike's right, we need a severely escalating scale.
>>>> Much of our market is now controlled by computers trading on their own
>>>> volition in extremely short time intervals. That should make everyone
>>>> queasy. Though a 1% transaction tax would probably take care of that
>>>> extreme problem by necessitating adult supervision. (Gene Wirchenko
>>>> had an item in Risks Digest about this, an example being Berkshire
>>>> Hathaway stock being skewed because trading computers saw news about
>>>> actress Anne Hathaway.)
>>>
>>> AI is just so wonderful except when it is not.
>
> Artificial Insimination works well, if you want a baby, but don't like men.
> ((and, of course, if you are a woman, but you can always hire a poor Indian woman))
Acronym overloading has issues. I meant artificial intelligence.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #379017 is a reply to message #378961] |
Mon, 24 December 2018 21:21 |
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 10:39:35 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 24 Dec 2018 04:46:32 -0400
> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> Massachusetts, 1955, I was a kid with a part time job in a local
>> drugstore. Guy comes in, approaches the counter, looks all around,
>> mutters, "Three". Becomes agitated when I asked, "Three what?"
>> Demands to see the pharmacist.
>
> Customer in the newsagent:
>
> 1970s: TWENTY MARLBORO ... <whisper>and a packet of condoms please</whisper>
> 2000s: A PACKET OF CONDOMS PLEASE ... <whisper>and twenty marlboro<whisper>
Where I work, we can not sell individual cigarettes - only packs.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #379018 is a reply to message #379017] |
Tue, 25 December 2018 00:21 |
Gerard Schildberger
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On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 8:21:01 PM UTC-6, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 10:39:35 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
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>> On 24 Dec 2018 04:46:32 -0400
>> Mike Spencer wrote:
>>
>>> Massachusetts, 1955, I was a kid with a part time job in a local
>>> drugstore. Guy comes in, approaches the counter, looks all around,
>>> mutters, "Three". Becomes agitated when I asked, "Three what?"
>>> Demands to see the pharmacist.
>>
>> Customer in the newsagent:
>>
>> 1970s: TWENTY MARLBORO ... <whisper>and a packet of condoms please</whisper>
>> 2000s: A PACKET OF CONDOMS PLEASE ... <whisper>and twenty marlboro<whisper>
>
> Where I work, we can not sell individual cigarettes - only packs.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Gene Wirchenko
In the United States, selling cigarettes individually (or any number less than
a "pack") is against the law. ___________________________ Gerard Schildberger
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #379019 is a reply to message #379015] |
Tue, 25 December 2018 00:23 |
Quadibloc
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On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 6:38:18 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 16:07:16 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> The free market is indeed a wonderful thing. However, it doesn't take
>> externalities into account by itself. Surely you have the intelligence to
>> realize that.
> If I want to "take externalities into account" whatever that means
> that's my business.
No. Externalities are the aspects of your actions that are everybody else's
business, because they affect others.
If you poison the air they breathe, if you tamper with the Earth's climate, if
you exhaust limited, scarce resources, legislation that restricts or prohibits
such activity is a legitimate function of government - it is not different from
any other laws to prohibit force and fraud.
Just because some ways of doing injury to others are less obvious does not mean
they are beyond the just powers of government to prevent.
John Savard
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| Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #379020 is a reply to message #379017] |
Tue, 25 December 2018 00:27 |
Quadibloc
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On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 7:21:01 PM UTC-7, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 10:39:35 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> Customer in the newsagent:
>>
>> 1970s: TWENTY MARLBORO ... <whisper>and a packet of condoms please</whisper>
>> 2000s: A PACKET OF CONDOMS PLEASE ... <whisper>and twenty marlboro<whisper>
> Where I work, we can not sell individual cigarettes - only packs.
Where I live, although selling individual cigarettes is against the law, packs
of cigarettes often came in two sizes - packs of 25, and packs of 20. The
smaller packs of 20 were intended to fit in a shirt pocket, and were made of a
flexible material, and the cigarettes were in three rows; the larger packs of 25
were made of rigid cardboard, and the cigarettes were in two rows.
John Savard
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