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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378431 is a reply to message #378429] Mon, 17 December 2018 11:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Andy Burns is currently offline  Andy Burns
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Dan Espen wrote:

> Andy Burns writes:
>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideonella_sakaiensis>
>
> Waste products:
> terephthalic acid - Not toxic, can be used to make more PET plastic.
> ethylene glycol - Highly toxic, can be used to make polyester and antifreeze.

Or polymerise it with ethylene oxide and put the resulting PEG-nn into
most products that seem to be on my bathroom shelf.
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378432 is a reply to message #378397] Mon, 17 December 2018 11:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2018-12-17, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 16/12/2018 22:25, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 10:51:40 AM UTC-7, JimP wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 16:56:01 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>>> wrote:
> Nothing about boasting; I like to keep track of from which laptop I
> post, this one, or the W7 one, or my original XP one, or the XP one that
> I got from Jim GM4DHJ. All the Usenet accounts are named accordingly.
>
> I had commented recently that when this W7 laptop came back from the
> menders that it had had a W10 update, hence the account moniker on this
> post.
>


You should sue. :)

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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378433 is a reply to message #378428] Mon, 17 December 2018 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: songbird

J Clarke wrote:
....
> So which is it, do the worms eat them or do they need to be recycled?
> Make up your mind.

worms will eat them when composted in ways that
are compatible with the worms ability to live but
landfills do not usually provide those conditions.

in my own small scale worm farm and out in the
gardens cardboard is easily consumed by worms and
it makes a great material for using to smother
weeds for the short term. if it has a little grease
on it there's little problem with that.


songbird
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378440 is a reply to message #376693] Mon, 17 December 2018 12:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ahem A Rivet's Shot is currently offline  Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On 17 Dec 2018 14:47:20 GMT
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> On 2018-12-17, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
>>> On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 6:16:26 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
> [50 lines snipped]
>
>>>
>>> Power stability is especially tricky since power is hard to store.
>>
>> Which is why, for example, South Australia just installed a huge Tesla
>> battery system on their grid - it's been working wonderfully.
>
> It supplies power for what, 8 minutes? It's there to cover while a real
> power station is run up, should there be a lull in the supply from
> renewables.

Looks like up to 1.29 hours according to:

< https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/sep/27/south-aus tralias-tesla-battery-on-track-to-make-back-a-third-of-cost- in-a-year>

The battery is 129MWh delivering 100MW. The article goes into some
depth on the finances.

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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378441 is a reply to message #378440] Mon, 17 December 2018 12:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 17:14:33 +0000
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> The battery is 129MWh delivering 100MW. The article goes into some
> depth on the finances.

Interesting comments in this article:

< https://cleantechnica.com/2018/10/08/teslas-battery-in-south -australia-breaks-stranglehold-of-natural-gas-industry/>

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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378442 is a reply to message #376693] Mon, 17 December 2018 13:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
> On 2018-12-17, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On 17 Dec 2018 14:47:20 GMT
>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-12-17, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
>>>> >On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 6:16:26 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>
>>> [50 lines snipped]
>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >Power stability is especially tricky since power is hard to store.
>>>>
>>>> Which is why, for example, South Australia just installed a huge Tesla
>>>> battery system on their grid - it's been working wonderfully.
>>>
>>> It supplies power for what, 8 minutes? It's there to cover while a real
>>> power station is run up, should there be a lull in the supply from
>>> renewables.
>>
>> Looks like up to 1.29 hours according to:
>
> Whoop-de-doo. That'll work when an Atlantic high comes and sits over the
> UK for 2 weeks in December, there's no wind, it's dark 18 hours a day
> and 0 deg C, then.

That's not what it is for.
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378443 is a reply to message #378432] Mon, 17 December 2018 13:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer

On 17/12/2018 16:42, maus wrote:
> On 2018-12-17, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 16/12/2018 22:25, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 10:51:40 AM UTC-7, JimP wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 16:56:01 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>> Nothing about boasting; I like to keep track of from which laptop I
>> post, this one, or the W7 one, or my original XP one, or the XP one that
>> I got from Jim GM4DHJ. All the Usenet accounts are named accordingly.
>>
>> I had commented recently that when this W7 laptop came back from the
>> menders that it had had a W10 update, hence the account moniker on this
>> post.
>>
>
>
> You should sue. :)
>

Once you get used to the (completely unnecessary) changes to the user
interface, W10 starts up more quickly than W7 so actually a bonus.

That the Solitaire games are only available via t'internet is a
nuisance, though.

Not creating any software of late so don't (yet?) know of any
version incompatibilities therein.
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378444 is a reply to message #378415] Mon, 17 December 2018 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Because orange one is a big time criminal.
>>
>> Maybe. He's also a sociopathic idiot, but every once in a while he does
>> something good, and balanced reporting should cover both sides.
>
> Please, elighten us with your Wisdom by conveying at least one
> instance where the idiot-in-chief has done anything good
> (on purpose, rather than by not doing something bad).
>

See previous post. I'm not including tax cuts, because I wanted actual
reform, not what we got.

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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378445 is a reply to message #378421] Mon, 17 December 2018 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Which is why, for example, South Australia just installed a huge Tesla
> battery system on their grid - it's been working wonderfully.
>

Presumably the lifespan is not infinite. What's going to happen down the
road? Between this and electric cars we're going to wind up with a lot of
depleted lithiom batteries to dispose of.

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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378446 is a reply to message #378431] Mon, 17 December 2018 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Dan Espen wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns writes:
>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideonella_sakaiensis>
>>
>> Waste products:
>> terephthalic acid - Not toxic, can be used to make more PET plastic.
>> ethylene glycol - Highly toxic, can be used to make polyester and antifreeze.
>
> Or polymerise it with ethylene oxide and put the resulting PEG-nn into
> most products that seem to be on my bathroom shelf.
>

I don't know whatever happened to the concept, but a professor had a
lab-size demonstration a few years ago of a system that accepted ground-up
plastic of any type and used (IIRC) fractional distillation to separate the
individual component plastics in relatively pure form.

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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378447 is a reply to message #378423] Mon, 17 December 2018 13:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> writes:
>> On 9 Dec 2018 15:51:08 GMT, maus <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-12-09, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 9 Dec 2018 13:57:36 GMT, maus <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > ?.. What are they, then?..,
>>>>
>>>> They are pellets of wood. "Timber" is great long boards used to make
>>>> buildings and ships and the like.
>>>
>>> To me Timber is wood, harvested.
>>
>> Try a good dictionary. "timber" is wood for structural purposes.
>>
>
> Pavement or sidewalk?
> Timber or lumber?
>
> Two countries separated by the same language.
>

Here "timber" means standing trees.

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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378453 is a reply to message #378443] Mon, 17 December 2018 14:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: nobody

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 18:03:28 +0000, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs
Computer <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 17/12/2018 16:42, maus wrote:
>> On 2018-12-17, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I had commented recently that when this W7 laptop came back from the
>>> menders that it had had a W10 update, hence the account moniker on this
>>> post.
>>
>> You should sue. :)
>
> Once you get used to the (completely unnecessary) changes to the user
> interface, W10 starts up more quickly than W7 so actually a bonus.
>
> That the Solitaire games are only available via t'internet is a
> nuisance, though.

I'm as neo-luddite as they come, and even I have found win10 to be a
reasonably good OS so far. One does have to work through some
irritating interface wonkage, but underneath the greasy pockmarked
exterior there's a solid OS lurking about.

For the solitaires and such, the win32 binaries from previous editions
continue to function just fine. Some binaries must be renamed to be
easily invokable.

> Not creating any software of late so don't (yet?) know of any
> version incompatibilities therein.

Outside of Modern-style apps it seems to be largely compatible with 7.
Picking up VS to learn "real" WinGUI programming is forever on my
to-do list. Java's AWT framework of earlier times seems to work fine,
for what little that's worth.
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378454 is a reply to message #378445] Mon, 17 December 2018 14:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Which is why, for example, South Australia just installed a huge Tesla
>> battery system on their grid - it's been working wonderfully.
>
> Presumably the lifespan is not infinite. What's going to happen down the
> road? Between this and electric cars we're going to wind up with a lot of
> depleted lithiom batteries to dispose of.

I've seen estimates of lifetime all over the map.
The Tesla Model 3 battery is guaranteed to retain 70% capacity for
120,000 miles.

This article:

http://tinyurl.com/y7yyhz9e

Claims:

Tesla Batteries Have 90% Capacity After 160,000 Miles, May Last For
500,000 miles

Hopefully they'll be recycled more than disposed of.

Lots of promising technologies are claiming to be making advances.

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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378455 is a reply to message #378356] Mon, 17 December 2018 14:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 16:41:14 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach
<ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 04:01:34 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>>
>> songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>>> J Clarke wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> Doesn't matter why they don't want them. The Federal budget is 3.8
>>>> trillion dollars. If it was not run by FUCKING IDIOTS they've have
>>>> put _some_ of it into a research program to permit recycling of that
>>>> vast percentage of paper products that are "contaminated with food"
>>>> instead of just burning it all.
>>>
>>> worms will happily eat them up.
>>
>> Stuff that goes into a landfill will last decades or more without decaying,
>> or are you talking about a composting program that doesn't exist?
>
> Thankfully. Wasn't it nice when they dug out old Atari cartridges a few
> years ago from a landfill in New Mexico Atari couldn't sell? ;-)

I read last century in a science fiction story of machines being made
to process landfills. It dug up a landfill, and harvested everything.
Had an onboard crew in case engine peoblems, something became stuck,
etc.

In the story, they didn't discard anything. The path cleaned was dealt
with in such a way as to get comntaminants out of the ground and
ground water, and forest planted as a replacement. Some was turned nto
housing.

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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378456 is a reply to message #378358] Mon, 17 December 2018 14:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 14:25:15 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 10:51:40 AM UTC-7, JimP wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 16:56:01 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> For us leftpondians could you explain "W7" and "W19"?
>>>
>>> I never realised that 0 and 9 weren't adjacent on american keyboards.
>>
>> To use a Spockism, that response is highly ilogical.
>
> I finally figured it out.
>
> There is a post just earlier in this thread which has as its author:
> "Gareths was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer"
>
> so the 9 was a typo for 0, and the comment meant: You are actually boasting of
> changing from Windows 7 to Windows 10; how low can you go after that?
>
> John Savard

Ah, Gracias.

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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378457 is a reply to message #376693] Mon, 17 December 2018 14:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On 16 Dec 2018 22:42:45 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2018-12-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 19:17:21 -0500, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>
>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> In some "modern" countries in Europe you cannot buy incandescent light
>>>> bulbs anymore.
>>>
>>> Including lights for ovens?
>>
>> Am referring to
>> < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_incandescent_ligh t_bulbs>
>> which doesn't mentions ovens though. Hmm, I don't even have a light bulb
>> in my oven or could remember to had any oven in the past having a light
>> bulb. Why would you want a light bulb in your oven anyway?
>
> So you can see inside?

Yes, without opening the oven and letting out the heat which would
increase cooking time.

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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378458 is a reply to message #376693] Mon, 17 December 2018 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On 17 Dec 2018 11:28:09 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2018-12-17, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [33 lines snipped]
>
>>>
>>> Because orange one is a big time criminal.
>>
>> Maybe. He's also a sociopathic idiot, but every once in a while he does
>> something good, and balanced reporting should cover both sides.
>
> Like Mussolini making the trains run on time?

Yeah, I read up on that last century. He executed people and pretended
in speeches that the trains were then running on time.

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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378459 is a reply to message #378407] Mon, 17 December 2018 15:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 06:20:13 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2018-12-17, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [33 lines snipped]
>>
>>>>
>>>> Because orange one is a big time criminal.
>>>
>>> Maybe. He's also a sociopathic idiot, but every once in a while he does
>>> something good, and balanced reporting should cover both sides.
>>
>> Like Mussolini making the trains run on time?
>>
>
> Even so. For example, he's increased funding for the military after Obama
> let it languish, and he's upped NASA funding. He's appointed a lot of
> conservative judges, which some may not consider a positive but I feel it
> is a useful corrective to recent leftward drift in the courts.

Funding for NASA has always been a political thing.

And the military personnel barely get anything out of the military
budget. Some of the married guys on my ship had to get food stamps to
make ends meet. The military/Pentagon have said they don't need all
the things Trump wants to buy for them.

> More so, what I should have added is that CNN covers Trump to the detriment
> of other important stories. It took a major disaster like the California
> wildfires to get Trump out of the news for a couple of weeks. It's

Get Trump to stop making large numbers of moronic tweets and they will
have time to cover other things. In case you haven't noticed, their
morning shows side with him more often that not. Then he says
something incredibly stupid, and they go back to covering him again.

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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378460 is a reply to message #376693] Mon, 17 December 2018 15:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: JimP

On 17 Dec 2018 20:02:19 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2018-12-17, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 16 Dec 2018 22:42:45 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2018-12-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 19:17:21 -0500, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>>>> >
>>>> >> In some "modern" countries in Europe you cannot buy incandescent light
>>>> >> bulbs anymore.
>>>> >
>>>> > Including lights for ovens?
>>>>
>>>> Am referring to
>>>> < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_incandescent_ligh t_bulbs>
>>>> which doesn't mentions ovens though. Hmm, I don't even have a light bulb
>>>> in my oven or could remember to had any oven in the past having a light
>>>> bulb. Why would you want a light bulb in your oven anyway?
>>>
>>> So you can see inside?
>>
>> Yes, without opening the oven and letting out the heat which would
>> increase cooking time.
>
> Sorry, I should have made it clearer I was being sarcastic.

Thats quite all right.

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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378461 is a reply to message #378443] Mon, 17 December 2018 15:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 18:03:28 +0000, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs
Computer <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 17/12/2018 16:42, maus wrote:
>> On 2018-12-17, Gareth's was W7 now W10 Downstairs Computer <headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On 16/12/2018 22:25, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 10:51:40 AM UTC-7, JimP wrote:
>>>> > On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 16:56:01 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>>>> > wrote:
>>> Nothing about boasting; I like to keep track of from which laptop I
>>> post, this one, or the W7 one, or my original XP one, or the XP one that
>>> I got from Jim GM4DHJ. All the Usenet accounts are named accordingly.
>>>
>>> I had commented recently that when this W7 laptop came back from the
>>> menders that it had had a W10 update, hence the account moniker on this
>>> post.
>>>
>>
>>
>> You should sue. :)
>>
>
> Once you get used to the (completely unnecessary) changes to the user
> interface, W10 starts up more quickly than W7 so actually a bonus.
>
> That the Solitaire games are only available via t'internet is a
> nuisance, though.

Spend the 10 bucks for Solsuite.

https://www.solsuite.com/

If you like the Windows 7 solitaire you'll be glad you did. Don't
blame me though if whatever productivity you might once have had comes
to a screeching halt.

> Not creating any software of late so don't (yet?) know of any
> version incompatibilities therein.
>
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378462 is a reply to message #378444] Mon, 17 December 2018 15:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 11:56:40 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Because orange one is a big time criminal.
>>>
>>> Maybe. He's also a sociopathic idiot, but every once in a while he does
>>> something good, and balanced reporting should cover both sides.
>>
>> Please, elighten us with your Wisdom by conveying at least one
>> instance where the idiot-in-chief has done anything good
>> (on purpose, rather than by not doing something bad).
>>
>
> See previous post. I'm not including tax cuts, because I wanted actual
> reform, not what we got.

That's something that neither side ever addresses--the government just
keeps growing and will continue to do so until (a) it is taking 100
percent of everybody's income and there isn't more to take or (b) its
creditors force it into bankruptcy, or (c) it is conquered and some
other country's system is put in place or (d) it is overthrown by a
successful rebellion or (e) politicians evolve into sentient life or
(f) there is an extinction-level event and the whole issue becomes
moot.
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378463 is a reply to message #378433] Mon, 17 December 2018 15:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 11:48:28 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:

> J Clarke wrote:
> ...
>> So which is it, do the worms eat them or do they need to be recycled?
>> Make up your mind.
>
> worms will eat them when composted in ways that
> are compatible with the worms ability to live but
> landfills do not usually provide those conditions.
>
> in my own small scale worm farm and out in the
> gardens cardboard is easily consumed by worms and
> it makes a great material for using to smother
> weeds for the short term. if it has a little grease
> on it there's little problem with that.

That's nice. Now implement that for New York City.
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378464 is a reply to message #378454] Mon, 17 December 2018 15:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 14:38:00 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>> Which is why, for example, South Australia just installed a huge Tesla
>>> battery system on their grid - it's been working wonderfully.
>>
>> Presumably the lifespan is not infinite. What's going to happen down the
>> road? Between this and electric cars we're going to wind up with a lot of
>> depleted lithiom batteries to dispose of.
>
> I've seen estimates of lifetime all over the map.
> The Tesla Model 3 battery is guaranteed to retain 70% capacity for
> 120,000 miles.

At 30 mph that works out to being down to 70% after 180 days of
continuous operation.
>
> This article:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/y7yyhz9e
>
> Claims:
>
> Tesla Batteries Have 90% Capacity After 160,000 Miles, May Last For
> 500,000 miles

On that basis the grid-attached battery system should be good for less
than 2 years.

> Hopefully they'll be recycled more than disposed of.
>
> Lots of promising technologies are claiming to be making advances.
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378465 is a reply to message #378462] Mon, 17 December 2018 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: JimP

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 15:33:35 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 11:56:40 -0700, Peter Flass
> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > Because orange one is a big time criminal.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe. He's also a sociopathic idiot, but every once in a while he does
>>>> something good, and balanced reporting should cover both sides.
>>>
>>> Please, elighten us with your Wisdom by conveying at least one
>>> instance where the idiot-in-chief has done anything good
>>> (on purpose, rather than by not doing something bad).
>>>
>>
>> See previous post. I'm not including tax cuts, because I wanted actual
>> reform, not what we got.
>
> That's something that neither side ever addresses--the government just
> keeps growing and will continue to do so until (a) it is taking 100
> percent of everybody's income and there isn't more to take or (b) its
> creditors force it into bankruptcy, or (c) it is conquered and some
> other country's system is put in place or (d) it is overthrown by a
> successful rebellion or (e) politicians evolve into sentient life or
> (f) there is an extinction-level event and the whole issue becomes
> moot.

In the case of f), it works its way back up from bacteria, although
there are some comets et al large enough thats not possible. Or there
is some Cosmic Plan we Terrans don't know about and someone comes in,
fixes things up, and brings some folks we might had invited or not
invited for dinner, and they start over again.

--
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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378466 is a reply to message #378462] Mon, 17 December 2018 16:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2018-12-17, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 11:56:40 -0700, Peter Flass
> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > Because orange one is a big time criminal.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe. He's also a sociopathic idiot, but every once in a while he does
>>>> something good, and balanced reporting should cover both sides.
>>>
>>> Please, elighten us with your Wisdom by conveying at least one
>>> instance where the idiot-in-chief has done anything good
>>> (on purpose, rather than by not doing something bad).
>>>
>>
>> See previous post. I'm not including tax cuts, because I wanted actual
>> reform, not what we got.
>
> That's something that neither side ever addresses--the government just
> keeps growing and will continue to do so until (a) it is taking 100
> percent of everybody's income and there isn't more to take or (b) its
> creditors force it into bankruptcy, or (c) it is conquered and some
> other country's system is put in place or (d) it is overthrown by a
> successful rebellion or (e) politicians evolve into sentient life or
> (f) there is an extinction-level event and the whole issue becomes
> moot.

Present position recalls Bydantium Vs. Persia back before the rise of
Islam. Both had exhaused each otherwith rivalry and had pushed tax to
an extreme extent. When the Muslims arrived, the subject populations
of both empires had enough, and accepted the Invading Muslims.

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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378469 is a reply to message #378464] Mon, 17 December 2018 16:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 15:41:55 -0500
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 14:38:00 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Tesla Batteries Have 90% Capacity After 160,000 Miles, May Last For
>> 500,000 miles
>
> On that basis the grid-attached battery system should be good for less
> than 2 years.

However the grid attached cells and the car cells are not the same
design, among other things weight is not a consideration for the grid
attached cells.

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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378470 is a reply to message #376693] Mon, 17 December 2018 16:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 16 Dec 2018 22:48:04 GMT, Huge wrote:
>
> On 2018-12-16, Scott <nobody@example.org> wrote:
>> On 16 Dec 2018 11:35:11 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
> [21 lines snipped]
>
>>> If you think they last 25 years, I have a bridge you might want to buy. I'm
>>> getting ~18 months out of the supermarket "bulbs" I've been buying. And
>>> they're $10. I return them for a refund.
>>
>> I wonder if your unhappy experiences could be related to a dodgy
>> electrical supply?
>
> Naah. Shitty supermarket bulbs. All the others have been going for years.
> Part of me thinks they make them last just long enough such that most people
> forget how old they are and just buy new ones. They don't reckon on cranky
> old fuckers like me keeping track.

Look where they were manufactured. If in China it might be rubbish.
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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378471 is a reply to message #378462] Mon, 17 December 2018 16:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 11:56:40 -0700, Peter Flass
> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > Because orange one is a big time criminal.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe. He's also a sociopathic idiot, but every once in a while he does
>>>> something good, and balanced reporting should cover both sides.
>>>
>>> Please, elighten us with your Wisdom by conveying at least one
>>> instance where the idiot-in-chief has done anything good
>>> (on purpose, rather than by not doing something bad).
>>>
>>
>> See previous post. I'm not including tax cuts, because I wanted actual
>> reform, not what we got.
>
> That's something that neither side ever addresses

Actually, they did address it in the late 90's and it
was working; quite well. It was GWB that blew everything
with his tax cuts, which were criminally stupid. The latest
round of corporate gifts were insane, and will, indeed lead
to ruin in the short run, rather than the long run.
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378472 is a reply to message #378365] Mon, 17 December 2018 16:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 18:32:11 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
>
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 16:48:31 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach
> <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 19:17:21 -0500, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>
>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> In some "modern" countries in Europe you cannot buy incandescent light
>>>> bulbs anymore.
>>>
>>> Including lights for ovens?
>>
>> Am referring to
>> < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_incandescent_ligh t_bulbs>
>> which doesn't mentions ovens though. Hmm, I don't even have a light bulb
>> in my oven or could remember to had any oven in the past having a light
>> bulb. Why would you want a light bulb in your oven anyway?
>
> So that you can determine the degree to which your roast is browning
> among other things.

The browning time is known already from experience. You don't even have
to look at it. Otherwise, open the door and look, although some heat
might escape.

Still none of the ovens I owned ever had a light bulb. Seems to not be an
essential item for ovens.
--
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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378473 is a reply to message #378464] Mon, 17 December 2018 16:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 14:38:00 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>>>> Which is why, for example, South Australia just installed a huge Tesla
>>>> battery system on their grid - it's been working wonderfully.
>>>
>>> Presumably the lifespan is not infinite. What's going to happen down the
>>> road? Between this and electric cars we're going to wind up with a lot of
>>> depleted lithiom batteries to dispose of.
>>
>> I've seen estimates of lifetime all over the map.
>> The Tesla Model 3 battery is guaranteed to retain 70% capacity for
>> 120,000 miles.
>
> At 30 mph that works out to being down to 70% after 180 days of
> continuous operation.

More goalpost shifting?
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378474 is a reply to message #378465] Mon, 17 December 2018 17:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 15:33:35 -0500, J. Clarke
>
>> That's something that neither side ever addresses--the government
>> just keeps growing and will continue to do so until (a) it is
>> taking 100 percent of everybody's income and there isn't more to
>> take or (b) its creditors force it into bankruptcy, or (c) it is
>> conquered and some other country's system is put in place or (d) it
>> is overthrown by a successful rebellion or (e) politicians evolve
>> into sentient life or (f) there is an extinction-level event and
>> the whole issue becomes moot.
>
> In the case of f), it works its way back up from bacteria, although
> there are some comets et al large enough thats not possible. Or there
> is some Cosmic Plan we Terrans don't know about and someone comes in,
> fixes things up...

To drift away from the political, now's the time to (re)read
Heinlein's 1942 story, The Unpleasant Profession of Jonathan Hoag.

Where is the Art Critic when we need him?



> ...and brings some folks we might had invited or not invited for
> dinner, and they start over again.

--
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"In the beginning was The Bird." Or maybe not.
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378475 is a reply to message #378472] Mon, 17 December 2018 17:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 18:32:11 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:

>> So that you can determine the degree to which your roast is browning
>> among other things.
>
> The browning time is known already from experience. You don't even have
> to look at it. Otherwise, open the door and look, although some heat
> might escape.
>
> Still none of the ovens I owned ever had a light bulb. Seems to not be an
> essential item for ovens.

Probably regional. I've never seen a home oven _without_ a light, unless
it was burnt out (or the bulb was stuck when someone tried to remove it and
only the filament mount and base are present).
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378476 is a reply to message #378470] Mon, 17 December 2018 18:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 16:50:06 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach
<ank@spamfence.net> wrote:

> On 16 Dec 2018 22:48:04 GMT, Huge wrote:
>>
>> On 2018-12-16, Scott <nobody@example.org> wrote:
>>> On 16 Dec 2018 11:35:11 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> [21 lines snipped]
>>
>>>> If you think they last 25 years, I have a bridge you might want to buy. I'm
>>>> getting ~18 months out of the supermarket "bulbs" I've been buying. And
>>>> they're $10. I return them for a refund.
>>>
>>> I wonder if your unhappy experiences could be related to a dodgy
>>> electrical supply?
>>
>> Naah. Shitty supermarket bulbs. All the others have been going for years.
>> Part of me thinks they make them last just long enough such that most people
>> forget how old they are and just buy new ones. They don't reckon on cranky
>> old fuckers like me keeping track.
>
> Look where they were manufactured. If in China it might be rubbish.

Not really an indicator of anything anymore. The Chinese are capable
of very high quality work however the contract has to define every jot
and tittle of what constitutes "high quality" because they're going to
make the minimum effort necessary to meet the contract.
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378477 is a reply to message #378472] Mon, 17 December 2018 18:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 16:53:03 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach
<ank@spamfence.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 18:32:11 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 16:48:31 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach
>> <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 19:17:21 -0500, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > In some "modern" countries in Europe you cannot buy incandescent light
>>>> > bulbs anymore.
>>>>
>>>> Including lights for ovens?
>>>
>>> Am referring to
>>> < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_incandescent_ligh t_bulbs>
>>> which doesn't mentions ovens though. Hmm, I don't even have a light bulb
>>> in my oven or could remember to had any oven in the past having a light
>>> bulb. Why would you want a light bulb in your oven anyway?
>>
>> So that you can determine the degree to which your roast is browning
>> among other things.
>
> The browning time is known already from experience. You don't even have
> to look at it. Otherwise, open the door and look, although some heat
> might escape.

You don't cook, do you?

> Still none of the ovens I owned ever had a light bulb. Seems to not be an
> essential item for ovens.

Only if it has a window in the door.
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378478 is a reply to message #377976] Mon, 17 December 2018 18:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 07:02:07 +0000, AndyW <Andy@nojunqmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/12/2018 10:34, Huge wrote:
>
>> This is called "pollarding", and is a technique that dates back to medieval
>> times.
>
> Thanks I could not remember the word and google is not good when your
> question is "what is the name for that technique when you cut a tree but
> not all the tree, just the top bit and it regrows......waffle ad infinitum"

Yes, keyword searches do not work too well when it is the keyword
one is searching for.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378479 is a reply to message #378366] Mon, 17 December 2018 18:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 20:57:50 -0500, Joy Beeson
<jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

[snip]

> I'd say I've been carrying dog repellent clipped to my back pocket
> ever since, but twenty years ago I moved to an area where people don't
> store their dogs in the street when they are not using them, and I
> haven't needed to fend off an attack since.

Lovely wording.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378482 is a reply to message #378212] Mon, 17 December 2018 18:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 23:16:25 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
>> On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 8:16:01 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> The problem is that people who make symbolic gestures and go on and on
>>> and on about how virtuous they're being lead others to think that that
>>> symbolic gesture is sufficient. If IPCC is right and if we're going
>>> to keep the sky from falling we have to do a _lot_ more than what
>>> you're describing. And we need the avant garde to actually start
>>> showing how to do it.
>>
>> Yes, in my area the kids make a big deal about replacing incandescent
>> light bulbs with FLD or LED. Big deal--the energy savings are trivial.
>
> 75% less energy usage for equivalent lumens is trivial?

Actually, I note that the so-called equivalents give off fewer
lumens. It appears to be about 10%, and for me, is quite notable. I
also use lights more in the cold weather, and the heat given off by
the old bulbs is close to where I am sitting.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378484 is a reply to message #376693] Mon, 17 December 2018 19:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:

> On 2018-12-17, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 17 Dec 2018 11:28:09 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2018-12-17, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [33 lines snipped]
>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Because orange one is a big time criminal.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe. He's also a sociopathic idiot, but every once in a while he does
>>>> something good, and balanced reporting should cover both sides.
>>>
>>> Like Mussolini making the trains run on time?
>>
>> Yeah, I read up on that last century. He executed people and pretended
>> in speeches that the trains were then running on time.
>
> Oh, it wasn't true.

It was an alternate fact.

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Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378485 is a reply to message #378482] Mon, 17 December 2018 19:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 15:37:30 -0800, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 23:16:25 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> wrote:
>
>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
>>> On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 8:16:01 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> The problem is that people who make symbolic gestures and go on and on
>>>> and on about how virtuous they're being lead others to think that that
>>>> symbolic gesture is sufficient. If IPCC is right and if we're going
>>>> to keep the sky from falling we have to do a _lot_ more than what
>>>> you're describing. And we need the avant garde to actually start
>>>> showing how to do it.
>>>
>>> Yes, in my area the kids make a big deal about replacing incandescent
>>> light bulbs with FLD or LED. Big deal--the energy savings are trivial.
>>
>> 75% less energy usage for equivalent lumens is trivial?
>
> Actually, I note that the so-called equivalents give off fewer
> lumens. It appears to be about 10%, and for me, is quite notable. I
> also use lights more in the cold weather, and the heat given off by
> the old bulbs is close to where I am sitting.

This is a subtle side-effect issue. My bathroom was noticeable warmer
in the winter before I replaced 360 watts of incandescent heat with 54
watts of LED heat.
Re: Is LINUX the inheritor of the Earth? [message #378486 is a reply to message #378399] Mon, 17 December 2018 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 5:47:12 AM UTC-5, Peter Flass wrote:

> Landfills aren't designed to degrade the contents, only store them for a
> few centuries. The have waterproof (and presumably airtight) plastic and
> clay linings, and each day's deposits are covered with a layer of dirt.
> When a section fills up it is capped with a plastic sheet and buried under
> a layer of dirt.

Some landfills supply gas for heating. However, I'm told that is
of low BTU.
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