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| Re: [YouTube] Bell and Howell (Apple II+) Restoration [message #376380 is a reply to message #376350] |
Wed, 21 November 2018 10:43   |
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Originally posted by: cb meeks
On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 10:33:51 PM UTC-5, Your Name wrote:
> The 8-Bit Guy restores an old Bell and Howell ("The Darth Vader
> Machine") version of the Apple II
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlgOsqlInpc
I feel like he skimps on a lot of his restoration videos. It would have been nice if he found a better match for that color. If I had went flat black, I would have painted the whole thing. Not just the top. I also remove the motherboard to see if there are any issues under it. Not sure if he did that but the video suggests he didn't.
Finally, would have been nice to see the results of the painted repair for that hole. Did the texture come out right? Is it completely invisible now? Etc.
Otherwise, I enjoy his videos. But he doesn't always go the extra mile.
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| Re: [YouTube] Bell and Howell (Apple II+) Restoration [message #376499 is a reply to message #376380] |
Thu, 22 November 2018 21:19 |
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Originally posted by: joltenjoe
On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:43:08 AM UTC-5, cb meeks wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 10:33:51 PM UTC-5, Your Name wrote:
>> The 8-Bit Guy restores an old Bell and Howell ("The Darth Vader
>> Machine") version of the Apple II
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlgOsqlInpc
>
> I feel like he skimps on a lot of his restoration videos. It would have been nice if he found a better match for that color. If I had went flat black, I would have painted the whole thing. Not just the top. I also remove the motherboard to see if there are any issues under it. Not sure if he did that but the video suggests he didn't.
>
> Finally, would have been nice to see the results of the painted repair for that hole. Did the texture come out right? Is it completely invisible now? Etc.
>
> Otherwise, I enjoy his videos. But he doesn't always go the extra mile.
I was thinking the same thing about the paint. Why not paint the entire thing if you don't have the exact paint matched. I was impressed by the patch process but I wonder how strong the bond will be and if it will hold up to weight applied to it by drive feet or a monitor. Otherwise it looked like a slick patch. Perhaps adding a piece of plastic underneath that spans the width of the hole plus a few inches to make sure it is held in.
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| Re: [YouTube] Bell and Howell (Apple II+) Restoration [message #376500 is a reply to message #376499] |
Thu, 22 November 2018 22:03 |
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Originally posted by: James Davis
On Thursday, November 22, 2018 at 6:19:12 PM UTC-8, joltenjoe wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:43:08 AM UTC-5, cb meeks wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 10:33:51 PM UTC-5, Your Name wrote:
>>> The 8-Bit Guy restores an old Bell and Howell ("The Darth Vader
>>> Machine") version of the Apple II
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlgOsqlInpc
>>
>> I feel like he skimps on a lot of his restoration videos. It would have been nice if he found a better match for that color. If I had went flat black, I would have painted the whole thing. Not just the top. I also remove the motherboard to see if there are any issues under it. Not sure if he did that but the video suggests he didn't.
>>
>> Finally, would have been nice to see the results of the painted repair for that hole. Did the texture come out right? Is it completely invisible now? Etc.
>>
>> Otherwise, I enjoy his videos. But he doesn't always go the extra mile..
>
>
> I was thinking the same thing about the paint. Why not paint the entire thing if you don't have the exact paint matched. I was impressed by the patch process but I wonder how strong the bond will be and if it will hold up to weight applied to it by drive feet or a monitor. Otherwise it looked like a slick patch. Perhaps adding a piece of plastic underneath that spans the width of the hole plus a few inches to make sure it is held in.
I liked the two-tone look! The plastic filler/resin he used is like an epoxy glue, bonding to the surrounding plastic, and he beveled it to help with gravity loading (weight). An extra layer underneath will decrease the peripheral card clearance. The inside should have been painted, too, with paint having the same electrostatic properties as the original internal shielding paint.
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| Re: [YouTube] Bell and Howell (Apple II+) Restoration [message #376702 is a reply to message #376500] |
Mon, 26 November 2018 11:07 |
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Originally posted by: cb meeks
On Thursday, November 22, 2018 at 10:03:21 PM UTC-5, James Davis wrote:
> On Thursday, November 22, 2018 at 6:19:12 PM UTC-8, joltenjoe wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:43:08 AM UTC-5, cb meeks wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 10:33:51 PM UTC-5, Your Name wrote:
>>>> The 8-Bit Guy restores an old Bell and Howell ("The Darth Vader
>>>> Machine") version of the Apple II
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlgOsqlInpc
>>>
>>> I feel like he skimps on a lot of his restoration videos. It would have been nice if he found a better match for that color. If I had went flat black, I would have painted the whole thing. Not just the top. I also remove the motherboard to see if there are any issues under it. Not sure if he did that but the video suggests he didn't.
>>>
>>> Finally, would have been nice to see the results of the painted repair for that hole. Did the texture come out right? Is it completely invisible now? Etc.
>>>
>>> Otherwise, I enjoy his videos. But he doesn't always go the extra mile.
>>
>>
>> I was thinking the same thing about the paint. Why not paint the entire thing if you don't have the exact paint matched. I was impressed by the patch process but I wonder how strong the bond will be and if it will hold up to weight applied to it by drive feet or a monitor. Otherwise it looked like a slick patch. Perhaps adding a piece of plastic underneath that spans the width of the hole plus a few inches to make sure it is held in.
>
> I liked the two-tone look! The plastic filler/resin he used is like an epoxy glue, bonding to the surrounding plastic, and he beveled it to help with gravity loading (weight). An extra layer underneath will decrease the peripheral card clearance. The inside should have been painted, too, with paint having the same electrostatic properties as the original internal shielding paint.
I don't hate the two-tone. But I always prefer matching the original as best I can.
The 8-Bit Guy clearly gives priority to Commodore machines. Especially the VIC-20 and C64. It's understandable...since he says the VIC-20 was his first. But calling yourself the "8-Bit Guy" and glossing over hugely influential computers like the Apple II line is a little misleading.
As best as I can tell, the only love he's given the Apple II line are some restoration videos and a brief video on how the Apple II graphics work (which was over simplified).
I have yet to see him talk about Atari or even the TI-99/4a. You would think TI would have at least one episode considering they are both from Texas.
What bothers me is the overwhelming number of people that follow his every word as "the gospel" even when he's wrong.
I sound like a hater but I'm really not. I enjoy his videos.
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| Re: [YouTube] Bell and Howell (Apple II+) Restoration [message #376770 is a reply to message #376717] |
Tue, 27 November 2018 08:31 |
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Originally posted by: cb meeks
On Monday, November 26, 2018 at 4:07:26 PM UTC-5, Steve Nickolas wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2018, cb meeks wrote:
>
>> I have yet to see him talk about Atari or even the TI-99/4a. You would
>> think TI would have at least one episode considering they are both from
>> Texas.
>
> To be fair, the TI-99/4a isn't an 8-bit computer. ;)
>
> -uso.
Well, that's technically true. But considering how crippled it is and the time frame it was released, I'd say it fits. :-)
Especially since the 8-Bit Guy has no reservations about talking about non-8 bit stuff like AI and the upcoming Amiga video.
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| Re: [YouTube] Bell and Howell (Apple II+) Restoration [message #376959 is a reply to message #376770] |
Wed, 28 November 2018 20:58 |
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Originally posted by: Matthew Power
CB Meeks, I think in general the TI-99/4a gets completely overlooked. Ok, so it was a 16-bit machine, but it was right there alongside Apple II, C64, etc... at the time. I'm not aware of any videos or demonstrations of a *complete* 4/a system with the computer, the official monitor, the expansion box with disk drive, fire-hose cable, speech synthesizer, TI Program Recorder (cassette drive), etc...
I actually have all of those TI items. The monitor is apparently rather rare. I have the FlashROM99 just waiting for a little love when I'm not doing A2 stuff. It's all sitting because I just get so wrapped up in my Apple II hobby with the constant flow of new developments for the A2. New accelerators, Uthernet, IP65, deconstructions of A2 Desktop, updates to ProDOS, it just keeps going.
And so the TI stuff sits unassembled. I really should get to it. I wonder if maybe 8-Bit Guy, LGR, and such don't get into TI because the communities around A2, Commodore, IBM (and early clones) appear to be vastly more active than anything I've seen for the 4/a.
Just my thoughts, thanks.
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| Re: [YouTube] Bell and Howell (Apple II+) Restoration [message #377402 is a reply to message #376959] |
Tue, 04 December 2018 08:43 |
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Originally posted by: cb meeks
On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 8:58:07 PM UTC-5, Matthew Power wrote:
> CB Meeks, I think in general the TI-99/4a gets completely overlooked. Ok, so it was a 16-bit machine, but it was right there alongside Apple II, C64, etc... at the time. I'm not aware of any videos or demonstrations of a *complete* 4/a system with the computer, the official monitor, the expansion box with disk drive, fire-hose cable, speech synthesizer, TI Program Recorder (cassette drive), etc...
Hey, you are preaching to the choir. The TI99-4/a was my very first computer (when I was 9). I own 6 (IIRC) of them now. One has been modified with the F18a card and 32K sidecar. I LOVE the TI. And yes, it is very underrated. Technically, it's cheating...but a TI with the F18a and 32K of RAM could rival just about any 8-bitter out there. Except maybe a Coleco with the same F18a.
>
> I actually have all of those TI items. The monitor is apparently rather rare. I have the FlashROM99 just waiting for a little love when I'm not doing A2 stuff. It's all sitting because I just get so wrapped up in my Apple II hobby with the constant flow of new developments for the A2. New accelerators, Uthernet, IP65, deconstructions of A2 Desktop, updates to ProDOS, it just keeps going.
I have 6 TI's like I said. I have the PEB but it's just the box. I'm missing the cable setup and any cards for it. Would love to get the cables, disk drive and disk controller for it. I also have the FlashROM99.
>
> And so the TI stuff sits unassembled. I really should get to it. I wonder if maybe 8-Bit Guy, LGR, and such don't get into TI because the communities around A2, Commodore, IBM (and early clones) appear to be vastly more active than anything I've seen for the 4/a.
>
> Just my thoughts, thanks.
I don't know about that. I think the 8-Bit Guy and LGR don't get into TI is because they aren't quite the world-class experts that many people think they are. Now, I respect them both. Watch them both. And even supported them both via Patreon. But they are NOT the end-all information when it comes to computers. I think they avoid the TI because they know nothing about it. If they searched for 10 minutes they would see that the TI has a VERY active community over at AtariAge and the TI gets new hardware/software all the time.
Dammit. All this talk about TI is making me want to hook mine up again.
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| Re: [YouTube] Bell and Howell (Apple II+) Restoration [message #377403 is a reply to message #377402] |
Tue, 04 December 2018 10:04 |
Steve Nickolas
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2018, cb meeks wrote:
> Hey, you are preaching to the choir. The TI99-4/a was my very first
> computer (when I was 9). I own 6 (IIRC) of them now. One has been
> modified with the F18a card and 32K sidecar. I LOVE the TI. And yes,
> it is very underrated. Technically, it's cheating...but a TI with the
> F18a and 32K of RAM could rival just about any 8-bitter out there.
> Except maybe a Coleco with the same F18a.
Or an Apple //e with an EZCGI adapted to a V9938, and a Mockingboard? XD
(Though what would be missing is software.)
-uso.
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| Re: [YouTube] Bell and Howell (Apple II+) Restoration [message #377431 is a reply to message #377403] |
Tue, 04 December 2018 15:59 |
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Originally posted by: cb meeks
On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:04:46 AM UTC-5, Steve Nickolas wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Dec 2018, cb meeks wrote:
>
>> Hey, you are preaching to the choir. The TI99-4/a was my very first
>> computer (when I was 9). I own 6 (IIRC) of them now. One has been
>> modified with the F18a card and 32K sidecar. I LOVE the TI. And yes,
>> it is very underrated. Technically, it's cheating...but a TI with the
>> F18a and 32K of RAM could rival just about any 8-bitter out there.
>> Except maybe a Coleco with the same F18a.
>
> Or an Apple //e with an EZCGI adapted to a V9938, and a Mockingboard? XD
> (Though what would be missing is software.)
>
> -uso.
What is this EZCGI you speak of?
One advantage of the F18a is that it has a 100MHz GPU in it. :-)
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| Re: [YouTube] Bell and Howell (Apple II+) Restoration [message #377565 is a reply to message #377524] |
Thu, 06 December 2018 09:02 |
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Originally posted by: cb meeks
On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 6:35:18 PM UTC-5, Matthew Power wrote:
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>> If they searched for 10 minutes they would see that the TI has a VERY active community over at AtariAge and the TI gets new hardware/software all the time.
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> Lol, maybe _I_ should do some searching too! Thanks for pointing out the F18a. I watched the Raycaster Demo vid and and WOW!
Yeah, the F18a is superb. I put one in my TI a while back.
It is CYCLE ACCURATE emulation for the TMS9918. Plus, it has some enhanced modes built in. It is a drop-in replacement. Meaning you can literally pull out the legacy chip and put that little card in and it will work.
The enhanced features are things like all 32 sprites on a single scanline. Four page smooth scrolling playfield (just like the NES). 4096 colors with multiple pallets. A giant bitmap overlay (extra playfield or super large sprite). And, a 100MHz TI GPU.
Not only that...but the guy is working on version 2 that's called the MK2. Supposed to be even smaller and much more powerful.
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| Re: [YouTube] Bell and Howell (Apple II+) Restoration [message #377566 is a reply to message #377565] |
Thu, 06 December 2018 10:13 |
Steve Nickolas
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2018, cb meeks wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 6:35:18 PM UTC-5, Matthew Power wrote:
>>>
>>> If they searched for 10 minutes they would see that the TI has a VERY active community over at AtariAge and the TI gets new hardware/software all the time.
>>
>> Lol, maybe _I_ should do some searching too! Thanks for pointing out the F18a. I watched the Raycaster Demo vid and and WOW!
>
> Yeah, the F18a is superb. I put one in my TI a while back.
>
> It is CYCLE ACCURATE emulation for the TMS9918. Plus, it has some
> enhanced modes built in. It is a drop-in replacement. Meaning you can
> literally pull out the legacy chip and put that little card in and it
> will work.
>
> The enhanced features are things like all 32 sprites on a single
> scanline. Four page smooth scrolling playfield (just like the NES).
> 4096 colors with multiple pallets. A giant bitmap overlay (extra
> playfield or super large sprite). And, a 100MHz TI GPU.
>
> Not only that...but the guy is working on version 2 that's called the
> MK2. Supposed to be even smaller and much more powerful.
Drop that into an EZCGI and add a Mockingboard, and you've basically
turned the //e into a Nintendo killer. ;)
-uso.
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| Re: [YouTube] Bell and Howell (Apple II+) Restoration [message #377950 is a reply to message #377885] |
Mon, 10 December 2018 20:06 |
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Originally posted by: Matthew Power
> So...speaking of the 8-Bit Guy...seems to have taken a vacation or something. Going on 3 weeks since his last video.
He's backed way off... I think he said something about going to a lot of retro conventions in a recent video. Even considering that, I still think he's backed way off over the past few months. I wonder if negativity from viewers in a recent "opening" video has anything to do with it. I mean, we only have so much room in our homes, right? I don't currently (or yet) have a C64 in my little museum, but if I did, I would certainly but Planet X2. Looks awesome.
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