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to II or not to II [message #374192] Sun, 30 September 2018 03:33 Go to next message
Anonymous
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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse

HA,
its not quite an Apple, but I found myself a IIe clone for now. Came with a 512k 80Col card, SSC II, a Graphic+ looks to be a Grappler+ clone, and the ubiquitous disk][ interface.

Enough floppies to sink a ship and some weird educational software. I'll have to make my way out to the man cave to play with my new toy.

A
Re: to II or not to II [message #374200 is a reply to message #374192] Sun, 30 September 2018 14:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
qkumba is currently offline  qkumba
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If you have an opportunity, please create images of the disks in case there are titles which have not been preserved so far.
Re: to II or not to II [message #374203 is a reply to message #374200] Sun, 30 September 2018 15:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 4:15:44 AM UTC+10, qkumba wrote:
> If you have an opportunity, please create images of the disks in case there are titles which have not been preserved so far.

somehow I think these may have never seen the light of day before, Aus education stuff... there's even some science stuff... chem reactions... mostly a bit beyond me these days. I'll put it on the roundtuit pile... phase one will have to be to find a null modem.... sure I've still got one here somewhere and hitch it up to the linux box already out in the man cave....
Re: to II or not to II [message #374209 is a reply to message #374192] Sun, 30 September 2018 18:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse

Just for reference, ManCave here is in fact just the garage.

Who'd have thought serial could be this hard. Apparently my ubuntu 16.04 install has no serial support going on. I've been strongly resisting running an ethernet cable all the way out there... looks like I'll have to. Then of course I can't find the null modem... just the gender benders... will have to cannibalise another serial cable to get the job done.

The foibles of 2018... everything used to do serial right out of the box.

A
Re: to II or not to II [message #374214 is a reply to message #374209] Sun, 30 September 2018 20:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: fadden

On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 3:24:16 PM UTC-7, Anthony Adverse wrote:
> The foibles of 2018... everything used to do serial right out of the box.

Your PC does serial. Your hard drives are SATA, your peripherals are USB, your monitor is DisplayPort...

I noticed a few years back that the use of the word "serial" in phrases like "serial console for kernel output" had been replaced by "UART". Not because there's necessarily a UART involved, but because they're trying to distinguish it from other serial protocols. (I think we also used to call it "RS232", but that's not right either.)
Re: to II or not to II [message #374216 is a reply to message #374214] Sun, 30 September 2018 22:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse

You can't exactly expect to connect any of that junk to your II can you, and I don't got no steeenking displayport :P? Ergo I'm talking a serial port with RS232, thats not an RS anymore because it was an accepted standard.

Alright having covered that, anyone know what a $4c error out of the shrink.exe self extracting archive is? Two different versions from different locations, same result :/

A
Re: to II or not to II [message #374224 is a reply to message #374216] Sun, 30 September 2018 23:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: fadden

On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 7:06:32 PM UTC-7, Anthony Adverse wrote:
> Alright having covered that, anyone know what a $4c error out of the shrink.exe self extracting archive is? Two different versions from different locations, same result :/

If that's a ProDOS error, then $4c is "end of file", suggesting that the file was truncated.
Re: to II or not to II [message #374225 is a reply to message #374224] Mon, 01 October 2018 00:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 1:47:16 PM UTC+10, fadden wrote:
> On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 7:06:32 PM UTC-7, Anthony Adverse wrote:
>> Alright having covered that, anyone know what a $4c error out of the shrink.exe self extracting archive is? Two different versions from different locations, same result :/
>
> If that's a ProDOS error, then $4c is "end of file", suggesting that the file was truncated.

Probably feasible... It doesn't seem to be handshaking. Mind you I'm using something called Apple Access... not my idea of fun. Managed to proterm over there to a ProTerm requires a 65c02 <sigh> Whats the next best terminal software?
Re: to II or not to II [message #374243 is a reply to message #374209] Mon, 01 October 2018 12:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael J. Mahon is currently offline  Michael J. Mahon
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Anthony Adverse <the.ertceps@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just for reference, ManCave here is in fact just the garage.
>
> Who'd have thought serial could be this hard. Apparently my ubuntu 16.04
> install has no serial support going on. I've been strongly resisting
> running an ethernet cable all the way out there... looks like I'll have
> to. Then of course I can't find the null modem... just the gender
> benders... will have to cannibalise another serial cable to get the job done.
>
> The foibles of 2018... everything used to do serial right out of the box.
>
> A
>

Since one “end” of the cable is an SSC, you can just flip the printer/modem
block and use a straight-through cable...

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-michael - NadaNet 3.1 and AppleCrate II: http://michaeljmahon.com
Re: to II or not to II [message #374253 is a reply to message #374243] Mon, 01 October 2018 21:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse

> Since one “end” of the cable is an SSC, you can just flip the printer/modem
> block and use a straight-through cable...
>

I hadn't thought that far, but that is in fact how it was done.

Not sure what it was connected to before. My next problem is handshaking, the terminal isn't coping with 9600, it drops characters on the screen, so I assume the file transfers are no better. So far slowing it down to 2400 doesn't seem to have solved the problem. Be nice if I could get the RAMworks into some kind of ramdrive and drop some of the latency on disk writes. But so far no dice. This AppleAccess only appears to support xon/xoff... but its not happening.

A
Re: to II or not to II [message #374257 is a reply to message #374192] Mon, 01 October 2018 23:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse

The GOOD the BAD and the indifferent.

I've given up in disgust for the moment. I cannot get any reliable file transfer from the linux box to clonee. I can use it as a terminal quite happily, which is I guess a plus, mind you I've needed 2 joiners and 3 lengths of cat5 to make the distance.

I notice poking through with ciderpress a lot this stuff likes to have a 65c02, and clonee's 6502 might be holding him back a bit. The self extracting shrinkit archive gives the persistent $4C errors although I'm now convinced the files aren't truncated. I managed to get a copy of "unshrink" across in a binary form, but it complains any archives I get across are corrupt.

So until I get my hands on a 65c02 and maybe upgrade ROMs I think I'm just going to have to sit back and flip through the ~200 floppies and see what I've got that's a keeper, whats corrupt, and what is in fact MS-sod stuff, there's some of that mixed in.

A
Re: to II or not to II [message #374267 is a reply to message #374257] Tue, 02 October 2018 10:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: frank_o_rama

If your clone has a cassette input jack, you could try sending disks that way using ADT.
http://adtpro.com/connectionsaudio.html

There's also the apple game server which uses the same audio connection.
http://asciiexpress.net/gameserver/


f
Re: to II or not to II [message #374276 is a reply to message #374267] Tue, 02 October 2018 17:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 12:32:39 AM UTC+10, frank_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> If your clone has a cassette input jack, you could try sending disks that way using ADT.
> http://adtpro.com/connectionsaudio.html
>
> There's also the apple game server which uses the same audio connection.
> http://asciiexpress.net/gameserver/
>
>
> f

It does have the cassette input on it still. Thats going to take a bit more excitement to get going though. I'm not feeling quite that enthusiastic.. I will have another look at the sites though.
Re: to II or not to II [message #374280 is a reply to message #374276] Tue, 02 October 2018 18:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael J. Mahon is currently offline  Michael J. Mahon
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Anthony Adverse <the.ertceps@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 12:32:39 AM UTC+10, frank_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> If your clone has a cassette input jack, you could try sending disks that way using ADT.
>> http://adtpro.com/connectionsaudio.html
>>
>> There's also the apple game server which uses the same audio connection.
>> http://asciiexpress.net/gameserver/
>>
>>
>> f
>
> It does have the cassette input on it still. Thats going to take a bit
> more excitement to get going though. I'm not feeling quite that
> enthusiastic.. I will have another look at the sites though.
>

ADTPro does a much better job of handling fast serial transfers than most
terminal programs. 115kbits/sec is typical for the SSC, with no
handshaking.

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-michael - NadaNet 3.1 and AppleCrate II: http://michaeljmahon.com
Re: to II or not to II [message #374282 is a reply to message #374280] Tue, 02 October 2018 21:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse

While that looks promising, the server CloneE is connected to, is strictly CLI... so I'm going to have pull CloneE inside... and find a spare box with a GUI to hook him up to. We'll get there... Not today though unfortunately.
Re: to II or not to II [message #374304 is a reply to message #374282] Thu, 04 October 2018 08:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse

Alrighty.. I've ordered a 65c02 from outer mongolia somewhere... I'm going to place all my file transfer stuff on hold until it gets here. Then I'm keeping my fingers crossed for proterm, and standard serial link.

Only a slightly side note... Is mousetext one of the enhancements for a //e? I had the sneaking suspicion it was. Which makes clone-e a bit strange in so far as he has a bog std 6502, but some of the rom enhancements on board.

A
Re: to II or not to II [message #374307 is a reply to message #374304] Thu, 04 October 2018 10:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gordon Henderson is currently offline  Gordon Henderson
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In article <5922ba7d-b8df-4ef8-94dc-0dbc7ea65f58@googlegroups.com>,
Anthony Adverse <the.ertceps@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alrighty.. I've ordered a 65c02 from outer mongolia somewhere... I'm
> going to place all my file transfer stuff on hold until it gets here.
> Then I'm keeping my fingers crossed for proterm, and standard serial
> link.

FWIW: Western Digital are still making new 65c02's and you can buy them
from Mouser, so no need to trust luck to some far flung ebay seller...

-Gordon
Re: to II or not to II [message #374313 is a reply to message #374307] Thu, 04 October 2018 21:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse

Erm Ok, who is Mouser, and where is he?
Re: to II or not to II [message #374318 is a reply to message #374313] Fri, 05 October 2018 02:47 Go to previous message
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Originally posted by: James Davis

On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 6:04:15 PM UTC-7, Anthony Adverse wrote:
> Erm Ok, who is Mouser, and where is he?

www.mouser.com
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