| Abandoning Overlord III [message #373135] |
Thu, 30 August 2018 22:39  |
Dave Baranyi
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After watching episode 8 of “Overlord III” I've decided to give up on the series, both the anime and the manga. I've had reservations about both since I first started to follow them but I kept on going because the black humour was often fairly good and I was curious as to what direction the story would take. But now the story has gone away from black humour to what I consider “snuff” power fantasy.
The premise of the story is that of a salaryman who gets trapped in a real world equivalent of his favourite dungeon fantasy game when the game is shut down. The player finds himself in a world where he is his game character – a leveled-out undead being. His overpowered NPC minions have become alive in this world along with the player. But there are no other players in this world – the world is populated by various human and fantasy races and none of them have powers anywhere near the level of the player and his minions.
The beginning of the series was often entertaining as the player very cautiously started to explore this new world and test out his powers. But as the story progressed the player became very indifferent to the beings of the new world, treating them as if they were still NPCs in a game. With episode 8 the story has evolved into a simple compendium of the torture and death that the player can and does inflict at will on the helpless inhabitants of the planet. The player and his minions simply treat every being as ants to be stepped on and crushed.
According to the folks who have read the light novels that the anime and manga are based upon, this will continue to be the way that the story goes. And I have to ask myself, why should I care about the story or the characters any longer? As far as I am concerned this is just pandering to the shock-for-the-sake-of-shock audience. So my final rating for the series is C- and I am going to forget about the bad taste that it left in my mouth.
Dave Baranyi
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| Re: Abandoning Overlord III [message #373148 is a reply to message #373135] |
Fri, 31 August 2018 03:00  |
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Originally posted by: SegenTra
On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 19:39:52 -0700 (PDT)
Dave Baranyi <davebaranyi@gmail.com> wrote:
> After watching episode 8 of “Overlord III” I've decided to give up on the series, both the anime and the manga. I've had reservations about both since I first started to follow them but I kept on going because the black humour was often fairly good and I was curious as to what direction the story would take. But now the story has gone away from black humour to what I consider “snuff” power fantasy.
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Overload was inspired by Berserk and Uzumaki so, of course it's going to be like that. I don't get how people can call this type of genre a snuff fantasy when it's not... But each his own I guess.
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SegenTra <Daulton>
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| Re: Abandoning Overlord III [message #373168 is a reply to message #373148] |
Fri, 31 August 2018 18:59 |
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Originally posted by: DrWho2002
SegenTra <psobboard@gmail.com> wrote in
news:20180831000046.0592dfd1fcf5f757177ea7d4@gmail.com:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 19:39:52 -0700 (PDT)
> Dave Baranyi <davebaranyi@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> After watching episode 8 of “Overlord III” I've decided to give
>> up on the series, both the anime and the manga. I've had reservations
>> about both since I first started to follow them but I kept on going
>> because the black humour was often fairly good and I was curious as
>> to what direction the story would take. But now the story has gone
>> away from black humour to what I consider “snuff” power fantasy.
>>
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> Overload was inspired by Berserk and Uzumaki so, of course it's going
> to be like that. I don't get how people can call this type of genre a
> snuff fantasy when it's not... But each his own I guess.
>
>
i suppose the dangling carrot of who overtook Ainz' control of Shalltear
isn't enough to keep you wondering
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| Re: Abandoning Overlord III [message #373171 is a reply to message #373135] |
Fri, 31 August 2018 22:15 |
David Johnston
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On 2018-08-30 8:39 PM, Dave Baranyi wrote:
> After watching episode 8 of “Overlord III” I've decided to give up on the series, both the anime and the manga. I've had reservations about both since I first started to follow them but I kept on going because the black humour was often fairly good and I was curious as to what direction the story would take. But now the story has gone away from black humour to what I consider “snuff” power fantasy.
>
> The premise of the story is that of a salaryman who gets trapped in a real world equivalent of his favourite dungeon fantasy game when the game is shut down. The player finds himself in a world where he is his game character – a leveled-out undead being. His overpowered NPC minions have become alive in this world along with the player. But there are no other players in this world – the world is populated by various human and fantasy races and none of them have powers anywhere near the level of the player and his minions.
>
> The beginning of the series was often entertaining as the player very cautiously started to explore this new world and test out his powers. But as the story progressed the player became very indifferent to the beings of the new world, treating them as if they were still NPCs in a game. With episode 8 the story has evolved into a simple compendium of the torture and death that the player can and does inflict at will on the helpless inhabitants of the planet. The player and his minions simply treat every being as ants to be stepped on and crushed.
>
> According to the folks who have read the light novels that the anime and manga are based upon, this will continue to be the way that the story goes. And I have to ask myself, why should I care about the story or the characters any longer? As far as I am concerned this is just pandering to the shock-for-the-sake-of-shock audience. So my final rating for the series is C- and I am going to forget about the bad taste that it left in my mouth.
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> Dave Baranyi
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If there's been a recent isekai series that's worth a damn I don't know
about it.
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| Re: Abandoning Overlord III [message #373220 is a reply to message #373168] |
Sun, 02 September 2018 17:06 |
Dave Baranyi
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On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 6:59:50 PM UTC-4, DrWho2002 wrote:
> SegenTra <psobboard@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:20180831000046.0592dfd1fcf5f757177ea7d4@gmail.com:
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>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 19:39:52 -0700 (PDT)
>> Dave Baranyi <davebaranyi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> After watching episode 8 of “Overlord III” I've decided to give
>>> up on the series, both the anime and the manga. I've had reservations
>>> about both since I first started to follow them but I kept on going
>>> because the black humour was often fairly good and I was curious as
>>> to what direction the story would take. But now the story has gone
>>> away from black humour to what I consider “snuff” power fantasy.
>>>
>>
>> Overload was inspired by Berserk and Uzumaki so, of course it's going
>> to be like that. I don't get how people can call this type of genre a
>> snuff fantasy when it's not... But each his own I guess.
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> i suppose the dangling carrot of who overtook Ainz' control of Shalltear
> isn't enough to keep you wondering
Nah - when I watched that it seemed that Shalltear was more "de-minded" than controlled intentionally by anyone. It seemed to me that the weapon that was used on her was some sort of "lost technology" and the team using it didn't really know what it did or what they were doing.
Sure, there will probably be some additional antagonist who eventually threatens Ainz, but I'm not interested enough to watch pointless slaughtering for the sake of pandering while I wait to see the antagonist finally arrive.
As you wrote, to each his own, and my tastes are different from what I found in "Overlord".
Dave Baranyi
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| Re: Abandoning Overlord III [message #373221 is a reply to message #373171] |
Sun, 02 September 2018 17:08 |
Dave Baranyi
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On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 10:15:24 PM UTC-4, David Johnston wrote:
> On 2018-08-30 8:39 PM, Dave Baranyi wrote:
>> After watching episode 8 of “Overlord III” I've decided to give up on the series, both the anime and the manga. I've had reservations about both since I first started to follow them but I kept on going because the black humour was often fairly good and I was curious as to what direction the story would take. But now the story has gone away from black humour to what I consider “snuff” power fantasy.
>>
>> The premise of the story is that of a salaryman who gets trapped in a real world equivalent of his favourite dungeon fantasy game when the game is shut down. The player finds himself in a world where he is his game character – a leveled-out undead being. His overpowered NPC minions have become alive in this world along with the player. But there are no other players in this world – the world is populated by various human and fantasy races and none of them have powers anywhere near the level of the player and his minions.
>>
>> The beginning of the series was often entertaining as the player very cautiously started to explore this new world and test out his powers. But as the story progressed the player became very indifferent to the beings of the new world, treating them as if they were still NPCs in a game. With episode 8 the story has evolved into a simple compendium of the torture and death that the player can and does inflict at will on the helpless inhabitants of the planet. The player and his minions simply treat every being as ants to be stepped on and crushed.
>>
>> According to the folks who have read the light novels that the anime and manga are based upon, this will continue to be the way that the story goes. And I have to ask myself, why should I care about the story or the characters any longer? As far as I am concerned this is just pandering to the shock-for-the-sake-of-shock audience. So my final rating for the series is C- and I am going to forget about the bad taste that it left in my mouth.
>>
>> Dave Baranyi
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> If there's been a recent isekai series that's worth a damn I don't know
> about it.
If you think that situation is bad in anime you ought to see what a mess the manga publishing world is right now with Isekai stories coming out of everyone's asses.
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| Re: Abandoning Overlord III [message #373262 is a reply to message #373204] |
Mon, 03 September 2018 22:04 |
Stainless Steel Rat
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2018 22:49:30 +0100, Nick Roberts wrote:
> Depending on your definition of "recent" - Gate?
IMO, Gate isn't worth a damn. Dropped it after two or three episodes.
Really, I can name only two decent recent-ish isekai shows: Konosuba and
Log Horizon.
The former because it's all anti-trope. Kazuma, the protagonist, isn't the
generic blank slate protagonist that teenagers can easily project upon,
and the rest of the cast aren't a generic collection of waifu and dorama
tropes. They're a pack of unrepentantly awful idiots.
The latter because Mamare Touno is a competent author who understands
video games, technology and politics (completely unlike your typical isekai
writer).
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| Re: Abandoning Overlord III [message #373263 is a reply to message #373204] |
Mon, 03 September 2018 22:30 |
David Johnston
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On 2018-09-01 3:49 PM, Nick Roberts wrote:
> In message <pmcsno$2dt$2@gioia.aioe.org>
> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> If there's been a recent isekai series that's worth a damn I don't
>> know about it.
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> Depending on your definition of "recent" - Gate?
>
Gate is actually more recent than I realized. Unfortunately after the
first couple of episodes I thought it went off the rails in a big way.
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