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| Re: CDC 3x00 pictures [message #368431 is a reply to message #368365] |
Fri, 01 June 2018 14:20   |
hancock4
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On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 4:57:34 PM UTC-4, Joe Makowiec wrote:
> The guy in back in the 3100 picture has a pipe stuck in his jaw. How many
> computer rooms permitted smoking?
Lots of computer rooms had prominent NO SMOKING signs in those days.
Lots of staff ignored them.
When I watch old TV shows (1960s or earlier), it is amazing how
many of the key characters and background people are smoking.
For instance, in the early seasons, Mannix was always smoking.
Lucy and Ricky smoked (they were sponsored by a cigarette company).
Edward R. Murrow smoked on the air as he gave his reports.
Johnny Carson used to smoke on the air.
Heck, in The Americans just ended, Elizabeth was a smoker.
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| Re: CDC 3x00 pictures [message #368447 is a reply to message #368431] |
Fri, 01 June 2018 19:05 |
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On 2018-06-01, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 4:57:34 PM UTC-4, Joe Makowiec wrote:
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>> The guy in back in the 3100 picture has a pipe stuck in his jaw. How many
>> computer rooms permitted smoking?
>
> Lots of computer rooms had prominent NO SMOKING signs in those days.
>
> Lots of staff ignored them.
>
> When I watch old TV shows (1960s or earlier), it is amazing how
> many of the key characters and background people are smoking.
> For instance, in the early seasons, Mannix was always smoking.
> Lucy and Ricky smoked (they were sponsored by a cigarette company).
> Edward R. Murrow smoked on the air as he gave his reports.
> Johnny Carson used to smoke on the air.
>
> Heck, in The Americans just ended, Elizabeth was a smoker.
I'm seeing smoking in more and more movies now.
I think the tobacco companies are fighting back.
A friend of mine had a placard in his airplane:
If you must smoke, please step outside.
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| Re: CDC 3x00 pictures [message #368462 is a reply to message #368431] |
Sat, 02 June 2018 01:23 |
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Originally posted by: terry-groups
On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 2:20:05 PM UTC-4, hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> Lots of computer rooms had prominent NO SMOKING signs in those days.
>
> Lots of staff ignored them.
At SPC, we had an old-time IBM CE (he was trained on the Stretch) who would ignore the No Smoking signs as well as verbal requests to not smoke in the room. His retort was "You don't own these machines - we do!"
One of his favorite things to use for an ashtray were the cabinets holding strings of 3330 and 3340 disk drives.
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| Re: CDC 3x00 pictures [message #368500 is a reply to message #368431] |
Sun, 03 June 2018 02:51 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 11:20:04 -0700 (PDT)
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> When I watch old TV shows (1960s or earlier), it is amazing how
> many of the key characters and background people are smoking.
What's really amazing is that at the time (well into the 1970s too)
it wasn't noticable it was just normal.
One of Arthur C Clarke's books had a character whose job was
editing the smoke and cigarettes out of old films so as not to offend
modern sensibilities. It seemed unlikely when I read it, recently I read
that there are people doing just that today - score another one for Arthur!
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| Re: CDC 3x00 pictures [message #368605 is a reply to message #368500] |
Mon, 04 June 2018 15:50 |
hancock4
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On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 3:00:04 AM UTC-4, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> What's really amazing is that at the time (well into the 1970s too)
> it wasn't noticable it was just normal.
>
> One of Arthur C Clarke's books had a character whose job was
> editing the smoke and cigarettes out of old films so as not to offend
> modern sensibilities. It seemed unlikely when I read it, recently I read
> that there are people doing just that today - score another one for Arthur!
In old works shown on TCM and the rerun channels (e.g. METV) lots
of people are shown smoking. I'm surprised they would bother editing
it out.
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| Re: CDC 3x00 pictures [message #368616 is a reply to message #368605] |
Mon, 04 June 2018 17:28 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:50:42 -0700 (PDT)
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 3:00:04 AM UTC-4, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
>> What's really amazing is that at the time (well into the 1970s
>> too) it wasn't noticable it was just normal.
>>
>> One of Arthur C Clarke's books had a character whose job was
>> editing the smoke and cigarettes out of old films so as not to offend
>> modern sensibilities. It seemed unlikely when I read it, recently I read
>> that there are people doing just that today - score another one for
>> Arthur!
>
> In old works shown on TCM and the rerun channels (e.g. METV) lots
> of people are shown smoking. I'm surprised they would bother editing
> it out.
I don't think it's done much, I wish I could recall where I saw it
mentioned - probably in the context of an AI algorithm to help.
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| Re: CDC 3x00 pictures [message #368618 is a reply to message #368616] |
Mon, 04 June 2018 17:38 |
mausg
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On 2018-06-04, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:50:42 -0700 (PDT)
> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 3:00:04 AM UTC-4, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>
>>> What's really amazing is that at the time (well into the 1970s
>>> too) it wasn't noticable it was just normal.
>>>
>>> One of Arthur C Clarke's books had a character whose job was
>>> editing the smoke and cigarettes out of old films so as not to offend
>>> modern sensibilities. It seemed unlikely when I read it, recently I read
>>> that there are people doing just that today - score another one for
>>> Arthur!
>>
>> In old works shown on TCM and the rerun channels (e.g. METV) lots
>> of people are shown smoking. I'm surprised they would bother editing
>> it out.
I notice while watching "The Quiet Man", that John Seemed unable to get
through a scene without lighting a cigarette. He died later of cancer.
In this country at the moment, its an easy way to spot foreigners.
>
> I don't think it's done much, I wish I could recall where I saw it
> mentioned - probably in the context of an AI algorithm to help.
>
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| Re: CDC 3x00 pictures [message #368650 is a reply to message #368618] |
Tue, 05 June 2018 09:30 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On 4 Jun 2018 21:38:18 GMT, maus <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
> On 2018-06-04, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:50:42 -0700 (PDT)
>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 3:00:04 AM UTC-4, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>
>>>> What's really amazing is that at the time (well into the 1970s
>>>> too) it wasn't noticable it was just normal.
>>>>
>>>> One of Arthur C Clarke's books had a character whose job was
>>>> editing the smoke and cigarettes out of old films so as not to offend
>>>> modern sensibilities. It seemed unlikely when I read it, recently I read
>>>> that there are people doing just that today - score another one for
>>>> Arthur!
>>>
>>> In old works shown on TCM and the rerun channels (e.g. METV) lots
>>> of people are shown smoking. I'm surprised they would bother editing
>>> it out.
>
>
> I notice while watching "The Quiet Man", that John Seemed unable to get
> through a scene without lighting a cigarette. He died later of cancer.
> In this country at the moment, its an easy way to spot foreigners.
I don't smoke at all, but I think my accent would give me away as not
from there.
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| Re: CDC 3x00 pictures [message #368703 is a reply to message #368618] |
Wed, 06 June 2018 09:51 |
Charles Richmond
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On 6/4/2018 4:38 PM, maus wrote:
> On 2018-06-04, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:50:42 -0700 (PDT)
>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 3:00:04 AM UTC-4, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>
>>>> What's really amazing is that at the time (well into the 1970s
>>>> too) it wasn't noticable it was just normal.
>>>>
>>>> One of Arthur C Clarke's books had a character whose job was
>>>> editing the smoke and cigarettes out of old films so as not to offend
>>>> modern sensibilities. It seemed unlikely when I read it, recently I read
>>>> that there are people doing just that today - score another one for
>>>> Arthur!
>>>
>>> In old works shown on TCM and the rerun channels (e.g. METV) lots
>>> of people are shown smoking. I'm surprised they would bother editing
>>> it out.
>
>
> I notice while watching "The Quiet Man", that John Seemed unable to get
> through a scene without lighting a cigarette. He died later of cancer.
> In this country at the moment, its an easy way to spot foreigners.
>
John Wayne was subjected to radioactive particles from an above-ground
nuclear test in 1956 while acting in the movie "The Conqueror". Many of
the actors in that movie later died of cancer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conqueror_(1956_film)#Production
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| Re: CDC 3x00 pictures [message #368705 is a reply to message #368703] |
Wed, 06 June 2018 10:24 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:51:33 -0500, Charles Richmond
<numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
> On 6/4/2018 4:38 PM, maus wrote:
>> On 2018-06-04, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:50:42 -0700 (PDT)
>>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 3:00:04 AM UTC-4, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > What's really amazing is that at the time (well into the 1970s
>>>> > too) it wasn't noticable it was just normal.
>>>> >
>>>> > One of Arthur C Clarke's books had a character whose job was
>>>> > editing the smoke and cigarettes out of old films so as not to offend
>>>> > modern sensibilities. It seemed unlikely when I read it, recently I read
>>>> > that there are people doing just that today - score another one for
>>>> > Arthur!
>>>>
>>>> In old works shown on TCM and the rerun channels (e.g. METV) lots
>>>> of people are shown smoking. I'm surprised they would bother editing
>>>> it out.
>>
>>
>> I notice while watching "The Quiet Man", that John Seemed unable to get
>> through a scene without lighting a cigarette. He died later of cancer.
>> In this country at the moment, its an easy way to spot foreigners.
>>
>
> John Wayne was subjected to radioactive particles from an above-ground
> nuclear test in 1956 while acting in the movie "The Conqueror". Many of
> the actors in that movie later died of cancer.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conqueror_(1956_film)#Production
The blame was tried for 'standard cancer levels' aparently by the AEC.
But the number of deaths was found to be higher than standard for that
number of people and age group.
According to the documentary I watched on this, people went out there
with geiger counters and found the area to be radioactive. Some scenes
were filmed on a sound stage, so the red dust and dirt was brought
back for that to the studio.
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| Re: CDC 3x00 pictures [message #368742 is a reply to message #368703] |
Wed, 06 June 2018 21:01 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:51:33 -0500, Charles Richmond
<numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
> On 6/4/2018 4:38 PM, maus wrote:
>> On 2018-06-04, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:50:42 -0700 (PDT)
>>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 3:00:04 AM UTC-4, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > What's really amazing is that at the time (well into the 1970s
>>>> > too) it wasn't noticable it was just normal.
>>>> >
>>>> > One of Arthur C Clarke's books had a character whose job was
>>>> > editing the smoke and cigarettes out of old films so as not to offend
>>>> > modern sensibilities. It seemed unlikely when I read it, recently I read
>>>> > that there are people doing just that today - score another one for
>>>> > Arthur!
>>>>
>>>> In old works shown on TCM and the rerun channels (e.g. METV) lots
>>>> of people are shown smoking. I'm surprised they would bother editing
>>>> it out.
>>
>>
>> I notice while watching "The Quiet Man", that John Seemed unable to get
>> through a scene without lighting a cigarette. He died later of cancer.
>> In this country at the moment, its an easy way to spot foreigners.
>>
>
> John Wayne was subjected to radioactive particles from an above-ground
> nuclear test in 1956 while acting in the movie "The Conqueror". Many of
> the actors in that movie later died of cancer.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conqueror_(1956_film)#Production
However the Duke also smoked like a stove . . .
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| Re: CDC 3x00 pictures [message #368778 is a reply to message #368742] |
Thu, 07 June 2018 12:18 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 21:01:07 -0400, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:51:33 -0500, Charles Richmond
> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>
>> On 6/4/2018 4:38 PM, maus wrote:
>>> On 2018-06-04, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:50:42 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 3:00:04 AM UTC-4, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> What's really amazing is that at the time (well into the 1970s
>>>> >> too) it wasn't noticable it was just normal.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> One of Arthur C Clarke's books had a character whose job was
>>>> >> editing the smoke and cigarettes out of old films so as not to offend
>>>> >> modern sensibilities. It seemed unlikely when I read it, recently I read
>>>> >> that there are people doing just that today - score another one for
>>>> >> Arthur!
>>>> >
>>>> > In old works shown on TCM and the rerun channels (e.g. METV) lots
>>>> > of people are shown smoking. I'm surprised they would bother editing
>>>> > it out.
>>>
>>>
>>> I notice while watching "The Quiet Man", that John Seemed unable to get
>>> through a scene without lighting a cigarette. He died later of cancer.
>>> In this country at the moment, its an easy way to spot foreigners.
>>>
>>
>> John Wayne was subjected to radioactive particles from an above-ground
>> nuclear test in 1956 while acting in the movie "The Conqueror". Many of
>> the actors in that movie later died of cancer.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conqueror_(1956_film)#Production
>
> However the Duke also smoked like a stove . . .
The claim was for all of the cast and crew showing a much higher than
normal cancer rate, not just The Duke.
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| Re: CDC 3x00 pictures [message #368796 is a reply to message #368365] |
Thu, 07 June 2018 14:42 |
usenet
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On Thu, 31 May 2018 20:57:33 -0000 (UTC), Joe Makowiec
<makowiec@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 10 May 2018 in alt.folklore.computers, wrote:
>
>> bitsavers added a few pictures of this series of machines. Neat
>> stuff. We see the old style glass-walled computer room.
>>
>> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/cdc/3x00/pictures/
>
> The guy in back in the 3100 picture has a pipe stuck in his jaw. How many
> computer rooms permitted smoking?
There's a good chance the pipe wasn't lit. Some pipe smokers also use their
pipes as "fidget objects." It may have also been an affectation for the photo.
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| Re: CDC 3x00 pictures [message #368816 is a reply to message #368796] |
Thu, 07 June 2018 17:49 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2018-06-07, Questor <usenet@only.tnx> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 May 2018 20:57:33 -0000 (UTC), Joe Makowiec
> <makowiec@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 10 May 2018 in alt.folklore.computers, wrote:
>>
>>> bitsavers added a few pictures of this series of machines.
>>> Neat stuff. We see the old style glass-walled computer room.
>>>
>>> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/cdc/3x00/pictures/
>>
>> The guy in back in the 3100 picture has a pipe stuck in his jaw.
>> How many computer rooms permitted smoking?
>
> There's a good chance the pipe wasn't lit. Some pipe smokers
> also use their pipes as "fidget objects." It may have also
> been an affectation for the photo.
"A pipe gives a wise man time to think and a fool something to
stick in his mouth." -- C.S. Lewis
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