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Firewire 400 PCI cards - OK with a PowerMac? [message #364110] Fri, 23 February 2018 10:22 Go to next message
Neil Hughes is currently offline  Neil Hughes
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To cut a long story short, I'd like to try to get my Dazzle* Hollywood
DV bridge working and the only Mac likely to work with it is my old B&W
G3 Powermac.

Unfortunately the built-in Firewire ports no longer work (a common issue
on this model I believe). Even after replacing the FW module no external
devices are recognized in OSX Tiger or MacOS 9.2.2/8.6 so I suspect the
TI chip on the motherboard has gone.

Does anybody know if the generic PCI FW cards work with PowerPC Macs?
There seem to be quite a lot of different models available on Amazon but
I can only see one that says it works with Macs and it doesn't mention
OS compatibility. The reviews are all from Windows users.

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Re: Firewire 400 PCI cards - OK with a PowerMac? [message #364128 is a reply to message #364110] Fri, 23 February 2018 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bruce Johnson is currently offline  Bruce Johnson
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On Feb 23, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Neil Hughes <neil.hughes1@tesco.net<mailto:neil.hughes1@tesco.net>> wrote:

To cut a long story short, I'd like to try to get my Dazzle* Hollywood DV bridge working and the only Mac likely to work with it is my old B&W G3 Powermac.

Unfortunately the built-in Firewire ports no longer work (a common issue on this model I believe). Even after replacing the FW module no external devices are recognized in OSX Tiger or MacOS 9.2.2/8.6 so I suspect the TI chip on the motherboard has gone.

Does anybody know if the generic PCI FW cards work with PowerPC Macs? There seem to be quite a lot of different models available on Amazon but I can only see one that says it works with Macs and it doesn't mention OS compatibility. The reviews are all from Windows users.

Yes, any PCI FW 400 card will work on a PCI Mac; it’s a very standardized standard (and partly written by Apple to boot).

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Re: Firewire 400 PCI cards - OK with a PowerMac? [message #364136 is a reply to message #364128] Fri, 23 February 2018 14:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil Hughes is currently offline  Neil Hughes
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Great...thanks.

I've used PCI USB2 cards in the PowerMac without issues; I wasn't sure
about something more unusual like Firewire.

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On 23/02/2018 16:48, Bruce Johnson wrote:
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> Yes, any PCI FW 400 card will work on a PCI Mac; it’s a very
> standardized standard (and partly written by Apple to boot).
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Re: Firewire 400 PCI cards - OK with a PowerMac? [message #364137 is a reply to message #364136] Fri, 23 February 2018 14:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> I've used PCI USB2 cards in the PowerMac without issues; I wasn't sure
> about something more unusual like Firewire.

Standardization is complete, or very nearly so.

PowerMacs can accept and use USB 2.0/1.1, USB 3.0, FW 400 and FW 800 PCI
cards.


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Re: Firewire 400 PCI cards - OK with a PowerMac? [message #364159 is a reply to message #364137] Fri, 23 February 2018 16:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I found the best results were with NEC chipped FireWire cards.

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Re: Firewire 400 PCI cards - OK with a PowerMac? [message #364204 is a reply to message #364159] Sat, 24 February 2018 06:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil Hughes is currently offline  Neil Hughes
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Thanks Kelly/Peter/Luis...

...I wasn't aware that the NEC chipset was the preferred one.

The ones I briefly looked at yesterday on Amazon UK seemed to be all
Texas Instruments, which I think is also on my G3's motherboard. I'll
steer clear of those and try your suggestion.

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On 23/02/2018 21:09, Kelly Harding wrote:
> I found the best results were with NEC chipped FireWire cards.
>

On 23/02/2018 22:31, peterhaas@cruzio.com wrote:
>> Best results with various other cards were found with NEC chips as well.
>
> The NEC chipset, now renamed Renesas, is the most compatible of
several competitive chipsets.

On 23/02/2018 21:36, 'Luis Salazar' via G-Group wrote:
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> I use a USB and Firewire card combo from IOGEAR, that I absolutely
love, in all my PowerMacs. I did find that deep sleep issues would arise
from time to time if the driver was not installed. These cards are
inexpensive on eBay. The card in question is:
>
> https://www.iogear.com/product/GUF320
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> Best results with various other cards were found with NEC chips as well.

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Re: Firewire 400 PCI cards - OK with a PowerMac? [message #364224 is a reply to message #364204] Sat, 24 February 2018 12:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> ...I wasn't aware that the NEC chipset was the preferred one.
>
> The ones I briefly looked at yesterday on Amazon UK seemed to be all
> Texas Instruments, which I think is also on my G3's motherboard. I'll
> steer clear of those and try your suggestion.

The preferred USB 3.0 chip set IS NEC (now Renesas).

The preferred Firewire 400 chipset IS Texas Instruments.

USB 2.0/1.1 and Firewire 800 could, and probably is, others.



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Re: Firewire 400 PCI cards - OK with a PowerMac? [message #364811 is a reply to message #364110] Mon, 05 March 2018 07:31 Go to previous message
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Well, it turns out that the replacement internal FW module does work
after all...unfortunately I only discovered this *after* I had ordered a
TI-chipset FW 400 card and thought that wasn't working either. It turns
out that my testing was at fault.

(Note to self: test FW devices with something simple like an external
drive enclosure, *not* a FW webcam or DV-bridge. Doh!)

Oh well...I have a 6 FW port PowerMac now and the Dazzle DV-bridge still
doesn't work. More investigation required.

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