| Re: free, huh, was Bitcoin confusion? [message #363346] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 09:39  |
jmfbahciv
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Huge wrote:
> On 2018-02-12, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2018-02-11, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <el718d5tr979j00m8a2nmg8b90h8qtqlsf@4ax.com>,
>>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> Nonetheless, all over Europe and even in Canada people get health care
>>>> >> for free, no payment at all at point of service, and they are
>>>> >> healthier than Americans and the overall cost is about 1/2 of ours.
>>>> >
>>>> > Maybe the cost is 1/2 of ours because the populations they treat are
>>>> > healthier.
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>> > There is this unstated implication that "they are healthier because
>>>> > the medical treatment system is better". The notion that "they are
>>>> > healthier because their lifestyle is different" never gets considered.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but anyone who has done even the most cursory research into
>>>> healthcare outcomes knows this is nonsense. They look at every factor
>>>> you could imagine. If you've ever been to the UK, you'd know that the
>>>> notion that the British live healthier lives than we do is beyond
>>>> absurd.
>>>>
>>>> Remember, we're not talking about teasing out tiny differences here.
>>>> Here in the U.S. we pay twice, two times as much, as everyone else.
>>>
>>> For worse outcomes ...
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>>>
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>> It depends on a lot of factors: where you live, how much money you have,
>> what you are geing treated for, etc.
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> The extremes in the USA are more so. Very rich people get the best treatment
> in the world. Very poor people get as close to no treatment at all as makes
> no difference. No-one in the UK goes without medical treatment.
Now read about the Shah of Iran.
/BAH
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| Re: free, huh, was Bitcoin confusion? [message #363377 is a reply to message #363346] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 15:04  |
Anne & Lynn Wheel
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jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
> Now read about the Shah of Iran.
yesterday: CIA declassifies more of "Zendebad, Shah!" – internal study
of 1953 Iran coup
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/iran/2018-02-12/cia- declassifies-more-zendebad-shah-internal-study-1953-iran-cou p
past, Iran democratically elected leader was going to review the
Anglo-Persion contracts ... and then CIA Confirms Role in 1953 Iran Coup
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB435/
including
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Roosevelt,_Jr.
in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta t
and to help keep the shah in power, US (including Norman Schwarzkopf
senior) trained
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK
The World Crisis, Vol. 1, Churchill explains the mess in middle east
started before WW1 with move from 13.5in to 15in guns (which requires
moving from coal to oil) loc2012-14:
From the beginning there appeared a ship carrying ten 15-inch guns, and
therefore at least 600 feet long with room inside her for engines which
would drive her 21 knots and capacity to carry armour which on the
armoured belt, the turrets and the conning tower would reach the
thickness unprecedented in the British Service of 13 inches.
loc2087-89:
To build any large additional number of oil-burning ships meant basing
our naval supremacy upon oil. But oil was not found in appreciable
quantities in our islands. If we required it, we must carry it by sea in
peace or war from distant countries.
loc2151-56:
This led to enormous expense and to tremendous opposition on the Naval
Estimates. Yet it was absolutely impossible to turn back. We could only
fight our way forward, and finally we found our way to the Anglo-Persian
Oil agreement and contract, which for an initial investment of two
millions of public money (subsequently increased to five millions) has
not only secured to the Navy a very substantial proportion of its oil
supply, but has led to the acquisition by the Government of a
controlling share in oil properties and interests which are at present
valued at scores of millions sterling, and also to very considerable
economies, which are still continuing, in the purchase price of
Admiralty oil.
.... snip ...
other drift; I Helped Sell the False Choice of War Once. It’s Happening
Again.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/opinion/trump-iran-war.ht ml
CIA director Colby refuses to approve "Team B" analysis claiming huge
Russian military capability, justifying huge US military spending
increase.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_B
White House Chief of Staff Rumsfeld replaces Colby with somebody (Bush1)
that will aggree with "Team B" analysis. Rumsfeld then resigns to become
SECDEF (and is replaced by his assistent Cheney).
In the 80s, Bush1 is VP and Rumsfeld is involved in supporting Iraq, US
support Iraq in the iran/iraq war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War
including supplying WMDs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_ during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war
In the early 90s, Bush1 is president and Cheney is SECDEF. Sat. photo
recon analyst told white house that saddam was marshaling forces to
invade Kuwait. White house said that saddam would do no such thing and
proceeded to discredit the analyst. Later the analyst informed the white
house that saddam was marshaling forces to invade Saudi Arabia, now the
white house has to choose between saddam and the Saudis.
http://www.amazon.com/Long-Strange-Journey-Intelligence-eboo k/dp/B004NNV5H2/
This century, Bush2 is president, Cheney is VP, Rumsfeld is SECDEF and
one of the "Team B" members is deputy SECDEF (and major architect of
Iraq policy).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz
Iraq and weapons of mass destruction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destr uction
Early in administration, cousin of white house chief of staff Card
.... was dealing with the Iraqis at the UN and was given evidence that
WMDs (tracing back to US in the Iran/Iraq war) had been
decommissioned. the cousin shared it with Card, Powell and others
.... then is locked up in military hospital, book was published in 2010
(after being releaased and before decommissioned WMDs were declassified)
http://www.amazon.com/EXTREME-PREJUDICE-Terrifying-Story-Pat riot-ebook/dp/B004HYHBK2/
NY Times series from 2014, the decommission WMDs (tracing back to US
from Iran/Iraq war), had been found early in the invasion, but the
information was classified for a decade
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleea st/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html
and military-industrial-complex wanted a war so badly that corporate
reps were telling former eastern block countries that if they voted for
IRAQ2 invasion in the UN, they would get membership in NATO and
(directed appropriation) USAID (can *ONLY* be used for purchase of
modern US arms). From the law of unintended consequences, the invaders
were told to bypass ammo dumps looking for WMDs, when they got aroundto
going back, over a million metric tons had evaporated.
http://www.amazon.com/Prophets-War-Lockheed-Military-Industr ial-ebook/dp/B0047T86BA
related "economic hit man" ... also sending "capitalists" into loot
countries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit _Man
https://www.amazon.com/New-Confessions-Economic-Hit-Man-eboo k/dp/B017MZ8EBM/
earlier "War Is A Racket"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
https://www.amazon.com/War-Racket-Antiwar-Americas-Decorated -ebook/dp/B00P8OEFFY/
perpetual war posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#perpetual.war
military-industrial(-congressional) complex posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial .complex
"Team B" posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#team.b
WMD posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#wmds
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| Re: free, huh, was Bitcoin confusion? [message #363405 is a reply to message #363371] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 21:47 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On 13 Feb 2018 18:38:53 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2018-02-13, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>> Huge wrote:
>>> On 2018-02-12, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>>> > On 2018-02-11, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>> >> In article <el718d5tr979j00m8a2nmg8b90h8qtqlsf@4ax.com>,
>>>> >> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The extremes in the USA are more so. Very rich people get the best treatment
>>> in the world. Very poor people get as close to no treatment at all as makes
>>> no difference. No-one in the UK goes without medical treatment.
Note that J. Clarke did not write _anything_ that resembled that
drivel. J. Clarke has been on Welfare and know first hand what kind
of medical treatment very poor people get in the US. The people who
are screwed are not the "very poor", the people who are screwed are
the ones who have too much income to qualify for Medicaid but not
enough to afford some kind of insurance.
>> Now read about the Shah of Iran.
>
>
> He was imposed on Iran by the UK and US.
>>
>> /BAH
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