| Test [message #362964] |
Fri, 09 February 2018 08:15  |
jgd
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Please excuse my testing.
John
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| Re: Test [message #363008 is a reply to message #362964] |
Fri, 09 February 2018 12:49  |
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Originally posted by: James Davis
On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 3:46:22 AM UTC-8, John Dallman wrote:
> Please excuse my testing.
>
> John
OK, you're excused. So why not just delete this post when you'r done testing Google?
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| Re: Test [message #363012 is a reply to message #363010] |
Fri, 09 February 2018 13:16 |
anthonypaulo
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> Our newsgroup could use some more posts; even tests are welcome! :P
As a matter of fact, I believe members here are so desperate for posts that they’d even welcome Dr. Tom and Quantum Cat back with nostalgic tears in their eyes!
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| Re: Test [message #363051 is a reply to message #363050] |
Fri, 09 February 2018 19:34 |
anthonypaulo
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On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 7:22:13 PM UTC-5, Polymorph wrote:
> No... no they wouldn't... ;-P
I dunno Polymorph... I'm seeing people at the verge of tears here at the mere mention of those names. How about we settle this with a show of hands?
Those who are *against* Dr. Tom and Quantum Cat rejoining us for some nostalgic memories raise their hands!
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| Re: Test [message #363061 is a reply to message #363056] |
Sat, 10 February 2018 00:46 |
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Originally posted by: awanderin
Michael J. Mahon <mjmahon@aol.com> writes:
> Polymorph <mike.a.stephens@gmail.com> wrote:
>> No... no they wouldn't... ;-P
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> Agreed.
>
> Flame wars really turn most potential newsgroup participants off. No one
> wants to step into crossfire.
Also agreed. Those were situations I'd like to remain part of history,
not the present nor the future.
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Jerry awanderin at gmail dot com
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| Re: Test [message #363092 is a reply to message #363051] |
Sat, 10 February 2018 11:29 |
Charlie
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On 2/9/2018 7:34 PM, Anthony Ortiz wrote:
> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 7:22:13 PM UTC-5, Polymorph wrote:
>> No... no they wouldn't... ;-P
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> I dunno Polymorph... I'm seeing people at the verge of tears here at the mere mention of those names. How about we settle this with a show of hands?
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> Those who are *against* Dr. Tom and Quantum Cat rejoining us for some nostalgic memories raise their hands!
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We really don't need those wars revisited. Many good people stopped
posting here when those flame wars were going on and I suspect new
people were turned off as well.
By the way Dr. Tom does occasionally post here although I don't believe
under that name.
Charlie
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| Re: Test [message #363127 is a reply to message #363051] |
Sat, 10 February 2018 16:39 |
Anthony Lawther
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Anthony Ortiz <anthonypaulo@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 7:22:13 PM UTC-5, Polymorph wrote:
>> No... no they wouldn't... ;-P
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> I dunno Polymorph... I'm seeing people at the verge of tears here at the
> mere mention of those names. How about we settle this with a show of hands?
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> Those who are *against* Dr. Tom and Quantum Cat rejoining us for some
> nostalgic memories raise their hands!
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/me raises both hands
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| Re: Test [message #363128 is a reply to message #363051] |
Sat, 10 February 2018 16:45 |
anthonypaulo
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On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 7:34:21 PM UTC-5, Anthony Ortiz wrote:
> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 7:22:13 PM UTC-5, Polymorph wrote:
>> No... no they wouldn't... ;-P
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> I dunno Polymorph... I'm seeing people at the verge of tears here at the mere mention of those names. How about we settle this with a show of hands?
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> Those who are *against* Dr. Tom and Quantum Cat rejoining us for some nostalgic memories raise their hands!
Well there we have it Polymorph... only one person raised his hands, and even if we were generous and counted the other three as raised hands that brings a total of four *against* and the rest of the community *for* their return.
May gawd help us...
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| Re: Test [message #363132 is a reply to message #363128] |
Sat, 10 February 2018 17:02 |
Anthony Lawther
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Anthony Ortiz <anthonypaulo@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 7:34:21 PM UTC-5, Anthony Ortiz wrote:
>> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 7:22:13 PM UTC-5, Polymorph wrote:
>>> No... no they wouldn't... ;-P
>>
>> I dunno Polymorph... I'm seeing people at the verge of tears here at the
>> mere mention of those names. How about we settle this with a show of hands?
>>
>> Those who are *against* Dr. Tom and Quantum Cat rejoining us for some
>> nostalgic memories raise their hands!
>
> Well there we have it Polymorph... only one person raised his hands, and
> even if we were generous and counted the other three as raised hands that
> brings a total of four *against* and the rest of the community *for* their return.
>
> May gawd help us...
>
The law here says that you can't interpret silence as assent. So don't
send out the invitations just because there haven't been many responses.
Let's turn this around: Everyone that is *for* the return of the flamers,
post "Emphatically Agree"
Regards,
Anthony
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| Re: Test [message #363146 is a reply to message #363133] |
Sat, 10 February 2018 18:55 |
Antoine Vignau
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I hope that the thread will be removed when John deletes his Test message.
The interest level here is poor.
Antoine ;-)
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| Re: Test [message #363321 is a reply to message #363176] |
Mon, 12 February 2018 23:40 |
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Originally posted by: Brian Patrie
On 2018-02-11 06:29, John Dallman wrote:
> In article <6a03ead2-bed8-4410-9248-3be028d37c1f@googlegroups.com>,
> antoine.vignau@laposte.net (Antoine Vignau) wrote:
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>> I hope that the thread will be removed when John deletes his Test
>> message.
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>> The interest level here is poor.
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> I have no way to delete the root message, nor the rest of the thread.
> Usenet doesn't work that way AFAIK. I don't read it via Google.
>
> John
We used to be able to cancel messages. (Maybe we still can.)
But it never took out replies.
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| Re: Test [message #363348 is a reply to message #363321] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 09:29 |
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Originally posted by: Brian Patrie
On 2018-02-12 22:40, Brian Patrie wrote:
> We used to be able to cancel messages. (Maybe we still can.)
> But it never took out replies.
I suppose this thread is as good a place to test as any.
I will now see if Thunderbird's Delete Message command cancels this.
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| Re: Test [message #363349 is a reply to message #363321] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 09:44 |
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Originally posted by: Brian Patrie
On 2018-02-12 22:40, Brian Patrie wrote:
> We used to be able to cancel messages. (Maybe we still can.)
> But it never took out replies.
Well i posted a reply to this, then attempted to cancel it via
Thunderbird's Delete Message command, and, whilst it has removed it from
TB's database, it does not appear to have cancelled the article (at
least not from the perspective of Google Groups). :(
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| Re: Test [message #363350 is a reply to message #363349] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 09:55 |
Steve Nickolas
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2018, Brian Patrie wrote:
> On 2018-02-12 22:40, Brian Patrie wrote:
>> We used to be able to cancel messages. (Maybe we still can.)
>> But it never took out replies.
>
> Well i posted a reply to this, then attempted to cancel it via Thunderbird's
> Delete Message command, and, whilst it has removed it from TB's database, it
> does not appear to have cancelled the article (at least not from the
> perspective of Google Groups). :(
>
Nor Eternal September.
-uso.
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| Re: Test [message #363373 is a reply to message #363321] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 12:43 |
scott
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In article <p5tq8r$sjv$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
Brian Patrie <bpatrie@bellsouth.spamisicky.net> wrote:
> On 2018-02-11 06:29, John Dallman wrote:
>> In article <6a03ead2-bed8-4410-9248-3be028d37c1f@googlegroups.com>,
>> antoine.vignau@laposte.net (Antoine Vignau) wrote:
>>> I hope that the thread will be removed when John deletes his Test
>>> message.
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>> I have no way to delete the root message, nor the rest of the thread.
>> Usenet doesn't work that way AFAIK. I don't read it via Google.
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> We used to be able to cancel messages. (Maybe we still can.)
> But it never took out replies.
Most news servers ignore cancel messages, as they were too easy to abuse.
_/_
/ v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail)
(IIGS( https://alfter.us/ Top-posting!
\_^_/ >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?
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| Re: Test [message #363416 is a reply to message #363321] |
Wed, 14 February 2018 03:04 |
spectrumdaddy
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Brian Patrie <bpatrie@bellsouth.spamisicky.net> wrote:
> We used to be able to cancel messages. (Maybe we still can.)
> But it never took out replies.
The way Usenet works, is that once a message is posted on one server, it
migrates round the world to all the others in the chain. There is no
mechanism to stop that, so you cannot delete a message once posted...
Cheers - Speccie
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| Re: Test [message #363507 is a reply to message #363478] |
Thu, 15 February 2018 03:10 |
spectrumdaddy
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Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The way Usenet works, is that once a message is posted on one server, it
>> migrates round the world to all the others in the chain. There is no
>> mechanism to stop that, so you cannot delete a message once posted...
>>
>> Cheers - Speccie
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> That's what <cancel> messages are for... see section 3.1 of
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1036
If you read that carefully, you will find that if the message has
already migrated round the plethora of other Usenet servers round the
world, the Cancel command is only going to apply to the message on the
server you posted it on, not on the other servers.
Cheers - Ewen
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| Re: Test [message #363531 is a reply to message #363507] |
Thu, 15 February 2018 12:30 |
Raymond Wiker
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spectrumdaddy@nospam.com (Ewen) writes:
> Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> The way Usenet works, is that once a message is posted on one server, it
>>> migrates round the world to all the others in the chain. There is no
>>> mechanism to stop that, so you cannot delete a message once posted...
>>>
>>> Cheers - Speccie
>>
>> That's what <cancel> messages are for... see section 3.1 of
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1036
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> If you read that carefully, you will find that if the message has
> already migrated round the plethora of other Usenet servers round the
> world, the Cancel command is only going to apply to the message on the
> server you posted it on, not on the other servers.
No, that's not the way it works - the cancel message is propagated in
the same way as the original message, but it could be that it will not
be forwarded if the orginal message is not on the server.
I seem to remember that google groups ignore cancel requests, and other
usenet providers may also have chosen to do so.
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| Re: Test [message #363561 is a reply to message #363531] |
Thu, 15 February 2018 17:45 |
D Finnigan
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Raymond Wiker wrote:
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> I seem to remember that google groups ignore cancel requests, and other
> usenet providers may also have chosen to do so.
>
Yes of course Google Groups ignores cancel messages. Could you imagine the
sheer chaos that would be if anyone could delete messages out of their
archive?! :-0
--
]DF$
The New Apple II User's Guide:
http://macgui.com/newa2guide/
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| Re: Test [message #363586 is a reply to message #363561] |
Thu, 15 February 2018 22:18 |
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Originally posted by: James Davis
On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 2:45:04 PM UTC-8, D Finnigan wrote:
> Raymond Wiker wrote:
>>
>> I seem to remember that google groups ignore cancel requests, and other
>> usenet providers may also have chosen to do so.
>>
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> Yes of course Google Groups ignores cancel messages. Could you imagine the
> sheer chaos that would be if anyone could delete messages out of their
> archive?! :-0
>
> --
> ]DF$
> The New Apple II User's Guide:
> http://macgui.com/newa2guide/
In Google Groups, you can delete your own messages (and your own threads if nobody else has posted in them yet), but it does not cancel the original message in comp.sys.apple2 (e.g., in a UseNet News Group), it only hides the message in Google Groups (e.g., showing them as "Deleted" there).
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| Re: Test [message #363664 is a reply to message #363586] |
Fri, 16 February 2018 15:59 |
Bill Garber
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"James Davis" wrote in message
news:c9288072-e45f-4268-888b-09c845073d76@googlegroups.com...
On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 2:45:04 PM UTC-8, D Finnigan wrote:
>> Raymond Wiker wrote:
>>>
>>> I seem to remember that google groups ignore cancel requests, and other
>>> usenet providers may also have chosen to do so.
>>>
>>
>> Yes of course Google Groups ignores cancel messages. Could you imagine
>> the
>> sheer chaos that would be if anyone could delete messages out of their
>> archive?! :-0
>>
>> --
>> ]DF$
>> The New Apple II User's Guide:
>> http://macgui.com/newa2guide/
>
> In Google Groups, you can delete your own messages (and your own threads
> if
> nobody else has posted in them yet), but it does not cancel the original
> message
> in comp.sys.apple2 (e.g., in a UseNet News Group), it only hides the
> message in
> Google Groups (e.g., showing them as "Deleted" there).
In 'Eternal-September', I can delete posts I don't want, and if I don't
block the
subject line, then I still receive subsequent replies. Anyway, I tend to
not do
the blocking thing because it sometimes removes similar subject lines, and
then I miss some things.
Bill Garber * http://www.sepa-electronics.com *
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| Re: Test [message #363704 is a reply to message #363586] |
Sat, 17 February 2018 02:57 |
spectrumdaddy
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James Davis <JPD.Enterprises@outlook.com> wrote:
> In Google Groups, you can delete your own messages (and your own
> threads if nobody else has posted in them yet), but it does not cancel
> the original message in comp.sys.apple2 (e.g., in a UseNet News
> Group), it only hides the message in Google Groups (e.g., showing
> them as "Deleted" there).
But there's a possible problem. Some of us don't, and have never used
Google Groups. We use Usenet directly through a news server client...
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| Re: Test [message #363869 is a reply to message #363704] |
Mon, 19 February 2018 01:46 |
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Originally posted by: James Davis
On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 11:57:58 PM UTC-8, Ewen wrote:
> James Davis ... wrote:
>
>> In Google Groups, you can delete your own messages (and your own
>> threads if nobody else has posted in them yet), but it does not cancel
>> the original message in comp.sys.apple2 (e.g., in a UseNet News
>> Group), it only hides the message in Google Groups (e.g., showing
>> them as "Deleted" there).
>
> But there's a possible problem. Some of us don't, and have never used
> Google Groups. We use Usenet directly through a news server client...
Don't worry about it! In three or four months it will be removed and put in storage for posterity.
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