| Olympics opening ceremony [message #362962] |
Fri, 09 February 2018 06:19  |
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Originally posted by: Gareth's Downstairs Computer
Is it one enormous LCD screen upon which they are
acting, for there does not seem to be any illumination
patterns on the actors which one wold expect if being
projected from above?
Bearing in mind that Korea is one of the foremost
producers of LCD screens?
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #362963 is a reply to message #362962] |
Fri, 09 February 2018 06:53  |
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Originally posted by: Brian Reay
On 09/02/2018 11:19, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
> Is it one enormous LCD screen upon which they are
> acting, for there does not seem to be any illumination
> patterns on the actors which one wold expect if being
> projected from above?
>
> Bearing in mind that Korea is one of the foremost
> producers of LCD screens?
I'm not watching it but, while a front projection would probably show
indications on people between the screen and projector you allude to,
there is a technique of back projection which wouldn't.
Of course the screen could be an array of small screens with no 'edge'
so you can't see the joins. The image is broken into 'tiles'- each
displayed on a small screen.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #362966 is a reply to message #362962] |
Fri, 09 February 2018 07:59 |
mausg
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On 2018-02-09, Gareth's Downstairs Computer <headstone255.but.not.these.five.words@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is it one enormous LCD screen upon which they are
> acting, for there does not seem to be any illumination
> patterns on the actors which one wold expect if being
> projected from above?
>
> Bearing in mind that Korea is one of the foremost
> producers of LCD screens?
Oh, its faked like the Moon landings :)
I think that the US has imposed heavy taxes on imports from China and S.Korea
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363019 is a reply to message #362966] |
Fri, 09 February 2018 14:35 |
Quadibloc
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On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 5:59:48 AM UTC-7, ma...@mail.com wrote:
> I think that the US has imposed heavy taxes on imports from China and S.Korea
They should impose heavy taxes on imports from the People's Republic of China, but not on our heroic allies of South Korea or Taiwan.
John Savard
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363079 is a reply to message #363019] |
Sat, 10 February 2018 09:34 |
jmfbahciv
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Quadibloc wrote:
> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 5:59:48 AM UTC-7, ma...@mail.com wrote:
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>> I think that the US has imposed heavy taxes on imports from China and
S.Korea
>
> They should impose heavy taxes on imports from the People's Republic of
> China, but not on our heroic allies of South Korea or Taiwan.
>
> John Savard
I thought it was just two kinds of things: heavy duty washing machines
and solar panels.
/BAH
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363103 is a reply to message #362962] |
Sat, 10 February 2018 14:00 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 11:19:53 -0600, Dave Garland
<dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> On 2/9/2018 1:35 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 5:59:48 AM UTC-7, ma...@mail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I think that the US has imposed heavy taxes on imports from China and S.Korea
>>
>> They should impose heavy taxes on imports from the People's Republic of China, but not on our heroic allies of South Korea or Taiwan.
>
> Since you're from Canada, I'm not sure who "our" refers to. But we can
> all feel much safer knowing that such "heroic allies" are on "our" side.
During the Korean War there was a certain amount of sentiment to the
effect that the whole mess should be given back to Japan. One wonders
what Asia would look like today if that had happened.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363116 is a reply to message #363103] |
Sat, 10 February 2018 15:02 |
mausg
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On 2018-02-10, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 11:19:53 -0600, Dave Garland
> <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/9/2018 1:35 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 5:59:48 AM UTC-7, ma...@mail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think that the US has imposed heavy taxes on imports from China and S.Korea
>>>
>>> They should impose heavy taxes on imports from the People's Republic of China, but not on our heroic allies of South Korea or Taiwan.
>>
>> Since you're from Canada, I'm not sure who "our" refers to. But we can
>> all feel much safer knowing that such "heroic allies" are on "our" side.
>
> During the Korean War there was a certain amount of sentiment to the
> effect that the whole mess should be given back to Japan. One wonders
> what Asia would look like today if that had happened.
The south korean government after WWII was essencially the former
Japanese puppet government. So, yes, Asia would be the same as it is
now.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363135 is a reply to message #362962] |
Sat, 10 February 2018 17:27 |
Quadibloc
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On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 10:19:55 AM UTC-7, Dave Garland wrote:
> Since you're from Canada, I'm not sure who "our" refers to.
Canada is a member of NATO! We're all in this together, fighting against the
evil Commies!
Admittedly, our current Prime Minister is the son of Pierre Trudeau, who verily
fawned in hero worship over the bloody tyrant Mao Tse-Tung (aka Mao Zedong), but
regardless of transitory politics, _some_ Canadians are more sensible!
Or our _previous_ Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, would never have held office.
John Savard
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363138 is a reply to message #363116] |
Sat, 10 February 2018 17:43 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On 10 Feb 2018 20:02:28 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2018-02-10, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 11:19:53 -0600, Dave Garland
>> <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/9/2018 1:35 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 5:59:48 AM UTC-7, ma...@mail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I think that the US has imposed heavy taxes on imports from China and S.Korea
>>>>
>>>> They should impose heavy taxes on imports from the People's Republic of China, but not on our heroic allies of South Korea or Taiwan.
>>>
>>> Since you're from Canada, I'm not sure who "our" refers to. But we can
>>> all feel much safer knowing that such "heroic allies" are on "our" side.
>>
>> During the Korean War there was a certain amount of sentiment to the
>> effect that the whole mess should be given back to Japan. One wonders
>> what Asia would look like today if that had happened.
>
> The south korean government after WWII was essencially the former
> Japanese puppet government. So, yes, Asia would be the same as it is
> now.
You mean the Japanese _wouldn't_ have eaten North Korea for breakfast
and then spent the rest of the century chewing up China?
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363139 is a reply to message #363135] |
Sat, 10 February 2018 17:44 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 14:27:57 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 10:19:55 AM UTC-7, Dave Garland wrote:
>
>> Since you're from Canada, I'm not sure who "our" refers to.
>
> Canada is a member of NATO! We're all in this together, fighting against the
> evil Commies!
What commies have a presence in the North Atlantic these days?
> Admittedly, our current Prime Minister is the son of Pierre Trudeau, who verily
> fawned in hero worship over the bloody tyrant Mao Tse-Tung (aka Mao Zedong), but
> regardless of transitory politics, _some_ Canadians are more sensible!
>
> Or our _previous_ Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, would never have held office.
>
> John Savard
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363140 is a reply to message #363139] |
Sat, 10 February 2018 18:29 |
Quadibloc
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On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
> What commies have a presence in the North Atlantic these days?
So now Russia is fascist instead. Of course, with Donald Trump, it looks like
history is repeating itself: while Communism led to a Red Scare right off the
bat, Mussolini and Hitler were not considered a threat by many in what is
sometimes termed "The Establishment", community, religious, and business
leaders; after all, they weren't stirring up trade union militancy or anything
troublesome like that.
But by attacking Georgia and the Ukraine, as well as putting pressure on the
Baltic nations, make no mistake about it, Russia is seeking to undermine the
credibility of NATO so as to gain the power to intimidate their neighbors. And
this, quite properly, is a thing the United States should not begin to
countenance.
John Savard
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363150 is a reply to message #363140] |
Sat, 10 February 2018 20:28 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 15:29:20 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> What commies have a presence in the North Atlantic these days?
>
> So now Russia is fascist instead. Of course, with Donald Trump, it looks like
> history is repeating itself: while Communism led to a Red Scare right off the
> bat, Mussolini and Hitler were not considered a threat by many in what is
> sometimes termed "The Establishment", community, religious, and business
> leaders; after all, they weren't stirring up trade union militancy or anything
> troublesome like that.
>
> But by attacking Georgia and the Ukraine, as well as putting pressure on the
> Baltic nations, make no mistake about it, Russia is seeking to undermine the
> credibility of NATO so as to gain the power to intimidate their neighbors. And
> this, quite properly, is a thing the United States should not begin to
> countenance.
Yeah, yeah, we are supposed to die for your causes.
Grow a pair and come down here and enlist.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363173 is a reply to message #363138] |
Sun, 11 February 2018 03:48 |
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On 2018-02-10, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10 Feb 2018 20:02:28 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>
>> On 2018-02-10, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 11:19:53 -0600, Dave Garland
>>> <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/9/2018 1:35 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> > On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 5:59:48 AM UTC-7, ma...@mail.com wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I think that the US has imposed heavy taxes on imports from China and S.Korea
>>>> >
>>>> > They should impose heavy taxes on imports from the People's Republic of China, but not on our heroic allies of South Korea or Taiwan.
>>>>
>>>> Since you're from Canada, I'm not sure who "our" refers to. But we can
>>>> all feel much safer knowing that such "heroic allies" are on "our" side.
>>>
>>> During the Korean War there was a certain amount of sentiment to the
>>> effect that the whole mess should be given back to Japan. One wonders
>>> what Asia would look like today if that had happened.
>>
>> The south korean government after WWII was essencially the former
>> Japanese puppet government. So, yes, Asia would be the same as it is
>> now.
>
> You mean the Japanese _wouldn't_ have eaten North Korea for breakfast
> and then spent the rest of the century chewing up China?
Part of the Red Army drove through the Japanese twice, before WWII,
and in 1945. The Japanese army remained in Vietnam, under US orders,
for a while after the Surrender, to stop the commies from taking
power before the French returned. Fanatical, suicidal bravery is not
always a good tactic.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363195 is a reply to message #363140] |
Sun, 11 February 2018 10:48 |
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Quadibloc wrote:
> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> What commies have a presence in the North Atlantic these days?
>
> So now Russia is fascist instead. Of course, with Donald Trump, it looks
like
> history is repeating itself: while Communism led to a Red Scare right off
the
> bat, Mussolini and Hitler were not considered a threat by many in what is
> sometimes termed "The Establishment", community, religious, and business
> leaders; after all, they weren't stirring up trade union militancy or
anything
> troublesome like that.
>
> But by attacking Georgia and the Ukraine, as well as putting pressure on the
> Baltic nations, make no mistake about it, Russia is seeking to undermine the
> credibility of NATO so as to gain the power to intimidate their neighbors.
And
> this, quite properly, is a thing the United States should not begin to
> countenance.
Russia wants a seaport.
/BAH
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363200 is a reply to message #363195] |
Sun, 11 February 2018 12:06 |
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jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
> Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> What commies have a presence in the North Atlantic these days?
>>
>> So now Russia is fascist instead. Of course, with Donald Trump, it looks
> like
>> history is repeating itself: while Communism led to a Red Scare right off
> the
>> bat, Mussolini and Hitler were not considered a threat by many in what is
>> sometimes termed "The Establishment", community, religious, and business
>> leaders; after all, they weren't stirring up trade union militancy or
> anything
>> troublesome like that.
>>
>> But by attacking Georgia and the Ukraine, as well as putting pressure on the
>> Baltic nations, make no mistake about it, Russia is seeking to undermine the
>> credibility of NATO so as to gain the power to intimidate their neighbors.
> And
>> this, quite properly, is a thing the United States should not begin to
>> countenance.
>
> Russia wants a seaport.
Like they don't already have a bunch:
Vladivostok.
Murmansk
St. Petersburg
NOvorossiysk
Sochi
Then there's Syria.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363203 is a reply to message #363200] |
Sun, 11 February 2018 13:28 |
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On 2/11/2018 11:06 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>> Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> What commies have a presence in the North Atlantic these days?
>>>
>>> So now Russia is fascist instead. Of course, with Donald Trump, it looks
>> like
>>> history is repeating itself: while Communism led to a Red Scare right off
>> the
>>> bat, Mussolini and Hitler were not considered a threat by many in what is
>>> sometimes termed "The Establishment", community, religious, and business
>>> leaders; after all, they weren't stirring up trade union militancy or
>> anything
>>> troublesome like that.
>>>
>>> But by attacking Georgia and the Ukraine, as well as putting pressure on the
>>> Baltic nations, make no mistake about it, Russia is seeking to undermine the
>>> credibility of NATO so as to gain the power to intimidate their neighbors.
>> And
>>> this, quite properly, is a thing the United States should not begin to
>>> countenance.
>>
>> Russia wants a seaport.
>
> Like they don't already have a bunch:
>
> Vladivostok.
> Murmansk
> St. Petersburg
> NOvorossiysk
> Sochi
>
> Then there's Syria.
>
Russia also swiped Konigsberg... in the Northwest corner of Poland... a
Baltic Sea port. The Russians call it Kaliningrad and the Kaliningrad
Oblast.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_Oblast
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numerist at aquaporin4 dot com
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363213 is a reply to message #363203] |
Sun, 11 February 2018 14:30 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:28:18 -0600, Charles Richmond
<numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
> On 2/11/2018 11:06 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>> Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > What commies have a presence in the North Atlantic these days?
>>>>
>>>> So now Russia is fascist instead. Of course, with Donald Trump, it looks
>>> like
>>>> history is repeating itself: while Communism led to a Red Scare right off
>>> the
>>>> bat, Mussolini and Hitler were not considered a threat by many in what is
>>>> sometimes termed "The Establishment", community, religious, and business
>>>> leaders; after all, they weren't stirring up trade union militancy or
>>> anything
>>>> troublesome like that.
>>>>
>>>> But by attacking Georgia and the Ukraine, as well as putting pressure on the
>>>> Baltic nations, make no mistake about it, Russia is seeking to undermine the
>>>> credibility of NATO so as to gain the power to intimidate their neighbors.
>>> And
>>>> this, quite properly, is a thing the United States should not begin to
>>>> countenance.
>>>
>>> Russia wants a seaport.
>>
>> Like they don't already have a bunch:
>>
>> Vladivostok.
>> Murmansk
>> St. Petersburg
>> NOvorossiysk
>> Sochi
>>
>> Then there's Syria.
>>
>
> Russia also swiped Konigsberg... in the Northwest corner of Poland... a
> Baltic Sea port. The Russians call it Kaliningrad and the Kaliningrad
> Oblast.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_Oblast
But many of those are only warm weather sea ports. And Vladivostok is
on the other side of Russia from Moscow.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363216 is a reply to message #363203] |
Sun, 11 February 2018 15:18 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:28:18 -0600, Charles Richmond
<numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
> On 2/11/2018 11:06 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>> Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > What commies have a presence in the North Atlantic these days?
>>>>
>>>> So now Russia is fascist instead. Of course, with Donald Trump, it looks
>>> like
>>>> history is repeating itself: while Communism led to a Red Scare right off
>>> the
>>>> bat, Mussolini and Hitler were not considered a threat by many in what is
>>>> sometimes termed "The Establishment", community, religious, and business
>>>> leaders; after all, they weren't stirring up trade union militancy or
>>> anything
>>>> troublesome like that.
>>>>
>>>> But by attacking Georgia and the Ukraine, as well as putting pressure on the
>>>> Baltic nations, make no mistake about it, Russia is seeking to undermine the
>>>> credibility of NATO so as to gain the power to intimidate their neighbors.
>>> And
>>>> this, quite properly, is a thing the United States should not begin to
>>>> countenance.
>>>
>>> Russia wants a seaport.
>>
>> Like they don't already have a bunch:
>>
>> Vladivostok.
>> Murmansk
>> St. Petersburg
>> NOvorossiysk
>> Sochi
>>
>> Then there's Syria.
>>
>
> Russia also swiped Konigsberg... in the Northwest corner of Poland... a
> Baltic Sea port. The Russians call it Kaliningrad and the Kaliningrad
> Oblast.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_Oblast
However none of these address the real issue, that they don't have an
ice-free Atlantic port that can't be easily closed by a potential
enemy.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363221 is a reply to message #363195] |
Sun, 11 February 2018 16:31 |
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jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> What commies have a presence in the North Atlantic these days?
>>
>> So now Russia is fascist instead. Of course, with Donald Trump, it looks
> like
>> history is repeating itself: while Communism led to a Red Scare right off
> the
>> bat, Mussolini and Hitler were not considered a threat by many in what is
>> sometimes termed "The Establishment", community, religious, and business
>> leaders; after all, they weren't stirring up trade union militancy or
> anything
>> troublesome like that.
>>
>> But by attacking Georgia and the Ukraine, as well as putting pressure on the
>> Baltic nations, make no mistake about it, Russia is seeking to undermine the
>> credibility of NATO so as to gain the power to intimidate their neighbors.
> And
>> this, quite properly, is a thing the United States should not begin to
>> countenance.
>
> Russia wants a seaport.
>
> /BAH
>
The Black Sea would be wonderful for that - a few mines in the Bosporus and
it would become a sealed bottle.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363250 is a reply to message #363216] |
Mon, 12 February 2018 03:33 |
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On 2018-02-11, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:28:18 -0600, Charles Richmond
> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/11/2018 11:06 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>>> Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> > On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >
>>> NOvorossiysk
>>> Sochi
>>>
>>> Then there's Syria.
>>>
>>
>> Russia also swiped Konigsberg... in the Northwest corner of Poland... a
>> Baltic Sea port. The Russians call it Kaliningrad and the Kaliningrad
>> Oblast.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_Oblast
>
> However none of these address the real issue, that they don't have an
> ice-free Atlantic port that can't be easily closed by a potential
> enemy.
A relation of mine died aa few years ago from conditions caused by
being on a ship going to Murmansk thatwas sunk in 1943.
--
greymaus.ireland.ie
Just_Another_Grumpy_Old_Man
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363262 is a reply to message #363250] |
Mon, 12 February 2018 09:42 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On 12 Feb 2018 08:33:53 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2018-02-11, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:28:18 -0600, Charles Richmond
>> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/11/2018 11:06 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>>> > Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> >> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> NOvorossiysk
>>>> Sochi
>>>>
>>>> Then there's Syria.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Russia also swiped Konigsberg... in the Northwest corner of Poland... a
>>> Baltic Sea port. The Russians call it Kaliningrad and the Kaliningrad
>>> Oblast.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_Oblast
>>
>> However none of these address the real issue, that they don't have an
>> ice-free Atlantic port that can't be easily closed by a potential
>> enemy.
>
> A relation of mine died aa few years ago from conditions caused by
> being on a ship going to Murmansk thatwas sunk in 1943.
Besides the German attacks, it was a very rough voyage.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363264 is a reply to message #363200] |
Mon, 12 February 2018 09:51 |
jmfbahciv
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Scott Lurndal wrote:
> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>> Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>>> What commies have a presence in the North Atlantic these days?
>>>
>>> So now Russia is fascist instead. Of course, with Donald Trump, it looks
>> like
>>> history is repeating itself: while Communism led to a Red Scare right off
>> the
>>> bat, Mussolini and Hitler were not considered a threat by many in what is
>>> sometimes termed "The Establishment", community, religious, and business
>>> leaders; after all, they weren't stirring up trade union militancy or
>> anything
>>> troublesome like that.
>>>
>>> But by attacking Georgia and the Ukraine, as well as putting pressure on
the
>>> Baltic nations, make no mistake about it, Russia is seeking to undermine
the
>>> credibility of NATO so as to gain the power to intimidate their neighbors.
>> And
>>> this, quite properly, is a thing the United States should not begin to
>>> countenance.
>>
>> Russia wants a seaport.
>
> Like they don't already have a bunch:
>
> Vladivostok.
> Murmansk
> St. Petersburg
> NOvorossiysk
> Sochi
Not during the winter.
>
> Then there's Syria.
To be determined.
/BAH
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363298 is a reply to message #363262] |
Mon, 12 February 2018 16:18 |
mausg
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On 2018-02-12, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12 Feb 2018 08:33:53 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>
>> On 2018-02-11, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:28:18 -0600, Charles Richmond
>>> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> enemy.
>>
>> A relation of mine died aa few years ago from conditions caused by
>> being on a ship going to Murmansk thatwas sunk in 1943.
>
> Besides the German attacks, it was a very rough voyage.
My point was that Murmansk is an ice free port. The Germans inn
norway never stopped that route.
Another point that I doubt anyone worries about is that Kaliningrad
has not been part of Poland for hundreds of years, and then only for
a short time. Konigsberg was part of East prussia before 1945. One of
the saddest stories of the war.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363301 is a reply to message #363298] |
Mon, 12 February 2018 18:36 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On 12 Feb 2018 21:18:03 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2018-02-12, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12 Feb 2018 08:33:53 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-02-11, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:28:18 -0600, Charles Richmond
>>>> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> enemy.
>>>
>>> A relation of mine died aa few years ago from conditions caused by
>>> being on a ship going to Murmansk thatwas sunk in 1943.
>>
>> Besides the German attacks, it was a very rough voyage.
>
> My point was that Murmansk is an ice free port. The Germans inn
> norway never stopped that route.
For how many months of the year ? Its up by the Arctic Circle.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363313 is a reply to message #363298] |
Mon, 12 February 2018 22:07 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On 12 Feb 2018 21:18:03 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2018-02-12, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12 Feb 2018 08:33:53 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-02-11, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:28:18 -0600, Charles Richmond
>>>> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> enemy.
>>>
>>> A relation of mine died aa few years ago from conditions caused by
>>> being on a ship going to Murmansk thatwas sunk in 1943.
>>
>> Besides the German attacks, it was a very rough voyage.
>
> My point was that Murmansk is an ice free port.
There are these things called "seasons" with which you might want to
familiarize yourself.
> The Germans inn
> norway never stopped that route.
>
> Another point that I doubt anyone worries about is that Kaliningrad
> has not been part of Poland for hundreds of years, and then only for
> a short time. Konigsberg was part of East prussia before 1945. One of
> the saddest stories of the war.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363333 is a reply to message #363301] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 03:49 |
mausg
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On 2018-02-12, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12 Feb 2018 21:18:03 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>
>> On 2018-02-12, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 12 Feb 2018 08:33:53 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-02-11, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:28:18 -0600, Charles Richmond
>>>> ><numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > enemy.
>>>>
>>>> A relation of mine died aa few years ago from conditions caused by
>>>> being on a ship going to Murmansk thatwas sunk in 1943.
>>>
>>> Besides the German attacks, it was a very rough voyage.
>>
>> My point was that Murmansk is an ice free port. The Germans inn
>> norway never stopped that route.
>
> For how many months of the year ? Its up by the Arctic Circle.
All Year. Gulf Stream. Archangel is all year too.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363338 is a reply to message #362962] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 07:03 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 23:26:01 -0600, Dave Garland
<dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> On 2/12/2018 5:18 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>> No one is to die. Find better ways to wage war. Ambulatory drones, for example.
>>
> Our drones vs. their drones, may the best drone win? It might be
> better, but will the meatbags honor the outcome?
War is about achieving your objectives and preventing the enemy from
achieving his. It's not a game in which whoever kills the most wins.
Drones shooting up drones is not going to achieve objectives.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363357 is a reply to message #363333] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 10:56 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On 13 Feb 2018 08:49:46 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2018-02-12, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12 Feb 2018 21:18:03 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-02-12, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12 Feb 2018 08:33:53 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On 2018-02-11, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:28:18 -0600, Charles Richmond
>>>> >><numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> enemy.
>>>> >
>>>> >A relation of mine died aa few years ago from conditions caused by
>>>> >being on a ship going to Murmansk thatwas sunk in 1943.
>>>>
>>>> Besides the German attacks, it was a very rough voyage.
>>>
>>> My point was that Murmansk is an ice free port. The Germans inn
>>> norway never stopped that route.
>>
>> For how many months of the year ? Its up by the Arctic Circle.
>
>
> All Year. Gulf Stream. Archangel is all year too.
Interesting. Everytime I see informaiton on it, there is ice there.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363359 is a reply to message #362962] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 11:06 |
Quadibloc
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Ambulatory drones. Robot bodies, walking on two legs, controlled from
a facility not unlike a call center... and doing most of the
things human soldiers would do. Holding and controlling territory included.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363361 is a reply to message #363359] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 11:34 |
Quadibloc
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On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 9:06:19 AM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:
> Ambulatory drones. Robot bodies, walking on two legs, controlled from
> a facility not unlike a call center... and doing most of the
> things human soldiers would do. Holding and controlling territory included.
....thus, although they wouldn't have vat-Maoris inside, they might well look
like the Sturmtruppen from the Sternkriegen movies.
John Savard
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363368 is a reply to message #363338] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 13:24 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2018-02-13, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 23:26:01 -0600, Dave Garland
> <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/12/2018 5:18 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>
>>> No one is to die. Find better ways to wage war. Ambulatory drones,
>>> for example.
>>
>> Our drones vs. their drones, may the best drone win? It might be
>> better, but will the meatbags honor the outcome?
>
> War is about achieving your objectives and preventing the enemy from
> achieving his. It's not a game in which whoever kills the most wins.
A lot of people are going to be very disappointed to hear this.
> Drones shooting up drones is not going to achieve objectives.
Unless you're a drone manufacturer. :-)
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363383 is a reply to message #363338] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 17:18 |
Peter Flass
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 23:26:01 -0600, Dave Garland
> <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/12/2018 5:18 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> No one is to die. Find better ways to wage war. Ambulatory drones, for example.
>>>
>> Our drones vs. their drones, may the best drone win? It might be
>> better, but will the meatbags honor the outcome?
>
> War is about achieving your objectives and preventing the enemy from
> achieving his. It's not a game in which whoever kills the most wins.
>
> Drones shooting up drones is not going to achieve objectives.
>
Yes, but it will keep their drones from shooting your people.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363384 is a reply to message #363359] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 17:18 |
Peter Flass
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Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> Ambulatory drones. Robot bodies, walking on two legs, controlled from
> a facility not unlike a call center... and doing most of the
> things human soldiers would do. Holding and controlling territory included.
>
I Saw a couple of really creepy robots on tv today - four-legged, about the
size of large dogs. One had a "hand" where the dog's head would be and the
other was headless. Still a bit awkward, but the one with the hand opened a
door so they both could go thru.
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Pete
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363392 is a reply to message #363384] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 17:43 |
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Originally posted by: Gareth's Downstairs Computer
On 13/02/2018 22:18, Peter Flass wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> Ambulatory drones. Robot bodies, walking on two legs, controlled from
>> a facility not unlike a call center... and doing most of the
>> things human soldiers would do. Holding and controlling territory included.
>>
>
> I Saw a couple of really creepy robots on tv today - four-legged, about the
> size of large dogs. One had a "hand" where the dog's head would be and the
> other was headless. Still a bit awkward, but the one with the hand opened a
> door so they both could go thru.
>
Google for Boston Dynamics.
The sort of toys we'd rather be programming than old dull financial
systems or real-time comms.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363395 is a reply to message #363384] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 18:15 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:18:11 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> Ambulatory drones. Robot bodies, walking on two legs, controlled from a
>> facility not unlike a call center... and doing most of the things human
>> soldiers would do. Holding and controlling territory included.
>>
>>
> I Saw a couple of really creepy robots on tv today - four-legged, about
> the size of large dogs. One had a "hand" where the dog's head would be
> and the other was headless. Still a bit awkward, but the one with the
> hand opened a door so they both could go thru.
I thought that was really creepy too. Would have been better if they had
something that resembled a head. And the gait was more spider-like (but
with four legs).
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363406 is a reply to message #363359] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 21:50 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 08:06:17 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> Ambulatory drones. Robot bodies, walking on two legs, controlled from
> a facility not unlike a call center... and doing most of the
> things human soldiers would do. Holding and controlling territory included.
Which only works if you have air dominance. Otherwise every time a
drone emits a signal it eats an antirad missile.
People who think that drones are viable in combat between first world
nations really should serve a hitch.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363407 is a reply to message #363395] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 21:55 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On 13 Feb 2018 23:15:41 GMT, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:18:11 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> Ambulatory drones. Robot bodies, walking on two legs, controlled from a
>>> facility not unlike a call center... and doing most of the things human
>>> soldiers would do. Holding and controlling territory included.
>>>
>>>
>> I Saw a couple of really creepy robots on tv today - four-legged, about
>> the size of large dogs. One had a "hand" where the dog's head would be
>> and the other was headless. Still a bit awkward, but the one with the
>> hand opened a door so they both could go thru.
>
> I thought that was really creepy too. Would have been better if they had
> something that resembled a head. And the gait was more spider-like (but
> with four legs).
I dunno if they go for creepy or if it's just the way the engineering
turns out.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363483 is a reply to message #363406] |
Wed, 14 February 2018 17:40 |
Quadibloc
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Combat between First World nations is a bad idea anyways. But foot soldiers can get killed in Third World ones.
Solving a problem like Russia is more difficult. Out-waiting and out-
lasting worked with Communism, and while that was quite a surprise, for
Russia's current regime to outlive Putin by much seems unlikely.
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| Re: Olympics opening ceremony [message #363490 is a reply to message #363483] |
Wed, 14 February 2018 19:55 |
Anne & Lynn Wheel
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Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
> Combat between First World nations is a bad idea anyways. But foot
> soldiers can get killed in Third World ones.
>
> Solving a problem like Russia is more difficult. Out-waiting and out-
> lasting worked with Communism, and while that was quite a surprise, for
> Russia's current regime to outlive Putin by much seems unlikely.
Milton Miles book ("Another Kind of War") first half was about going
into china to setup coastal watchers but then spent much of the rest
training 50,000 guerrillas fighting the Japanese. He then spends the
last half of the book about how OSS and Army gave china to the
communists. They came in and wanted to take over the whole
operation. The US Navy and Nationalists rebuffed them, so to get
something they could take credit for, they support the communists.
Without giving China to the communists, there wouldn't be korean war,
domino theory, vietnam war, current nuclear in korea, pakistan and iran,
etc
Tuchman's book (Stilwell biography) has Miles book in the bibliography
but in the body has nothing from his book. She sort of respins Army
giving china to the communists ... that Marshall believed that he needed
Soviets to beat Japan (after the end of war in Germany) ... and so to
appeal to the Soviets, US was giving support to the Chinese
communists. In Manchuria there was 1.5M soviets fighting 1M Japanese. By
comparison okinawa, US had 600k fighting 76k japanese.
However, Miles has Army supporting communists long before the end of
european war and any encouragement for the Soviets to come into the
Japanese war.
Milton also references that there were some number of Chinese Army units
that cooperated with the Japanese ... and towards the end they tried to
come over to the nationalist but the US Army vetoed it, so they went
over to the communists. It was these army units that fought the US in
the Korean war.
Marshall was then SECSTATE (47-49)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Marshall
and they turned out a paper trying to absolve State for giving China to
the communists
https://archive.org/details/VanSlykeLymanTheChinaWhitePaper1 949
and recent reference to "Is Harvard responsible for the rise of Putin"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2018.html#14 Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983
perpetual war posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#perpetual.war
military-industrial(-congressional) complex
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submisc.html#military.industrial .complex
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