| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #361958 is a reply to message #361947] |
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Originally posted by: AndyW
On 29/01/2018 10:29, Quadibloc wrote:
> In the case of Airplane, it was definitely a joke and not a mistake.
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> In the case of TRON, they wouldn't joke about things like that.
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> But that doesn't mean it couldn't have been deliberate instead of a mistake.
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> They could have felt that the sound of a daisywheel wasn't computer-y
> enough, and chose the sound effect of the sound of a dot-matrix printer as
> more suited to the intended atmosphere of the film.
In a lot of cases they use what people will recognise and not the reality.
When someone is using a defibrillator it is invariably the 70s paddles,
the thump and leap of the body. These days it is a case of stick on
pads, a beep and a wobble but it is not Hollywood-enough an image to show.
Andy
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #361961 is a reply to message #361935] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 11:53 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2018-01-29, Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote in
> news:p4fovt0cot@news1.newsguy.com:
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>> On 2018-01-26, AndyW <Andy@nojunqmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Nothing quite like the sound of a DM printer. Crackle of a log fire,
>>> roar of a waterfall, zizz of a DM printer and the hiss of a paraffin
>>> pressure lamp. Favourite sounds.
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>> Yes, it was quite distinctive. Too bad the guys who produced the
>> original Tron movie didn't realize this; near the end there's a
>> close-up view of a daisy-wheel printer showing some messages,
>> while the dubbed-in sound is that of a dot-matrix printer.
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> When I was at UBC in the early 80's, the terminal room in Electrical
> Engineering had a Printronix P300 printer. I'm sure if I heard the
> distinctive cadence of the P300 printing the first banner page of a
> printout from the MTS system, it would trigger a nostalgic memory.
At my first job, the rhythm of the printer would tell me from across
the room not only that an RPG compile was running, but whether it
had any errors.
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #361967 is a reply to message #361958] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 11:53 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2018-01-29, AndyW <Andy@nojunqmail.com> wrote:
> On 29/01/2018 10:29, Quadibloc wrote:
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>> In the case of Airplane, it was definitely a joke and not a mistake.
>>
>> In the case of TRON, they wouldn't joke about things like that.
>>
>> But that doesn't mean it couldn't have been deliberate instead of a mistake.
>>
>> They could have felt that the sound of a daisywheel wasn't computer-y
>> enough, and chose the sound effect of the sound of a dot-matrix printer as
>> more suited to the intended atmosphere of the film.
>
> In a lot of cases they use what people will recognise and not the reality.
> When someone is using a defibrillator it is invariably the 70s paddles,
> the thump and leap of the body. These days it is a case of stick on
> pads, a beep and a wobble but it is not Hollywood-enough an image to show.
The one Hollywoodism that always bothered me is the way a telephone
reverts to a dial tone when the other end hang up. I've never heard
this in real life, but maybe it's regional thing. Can anyone from
New York say whether this really happens there?
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #361969 is a reply to message #361967] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 12:01 |
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
> On 2018-01-29, AndyW <Andy@nojunqmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 29/01/2018 10:29, Quadibloc wrote:
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>>> In the case of Airplane, it was definitely a joke and not a mistake.
>>>
>>> In the case of TRON, they wouldn't joke about things like that.
>>>
>>> But that doesn't mean it couldn't have been deliberate instead of a mistake.
>>>
>>> They could have felt that the sound of a daisywheel wasn't computer-y
>>> enough, and chose the sound effect of the sound of a dot-matrix printer as
>>> more suited to the intended atmosphere of the film.
>>
>> In a lot of cases they use what people will recognise and not the reality.
>> When someone is using a defibrillator it is invariably the 70s paddles,
>> the thump and leap of the body. These days it is a case of stick on
>> pads, a beep and a wobble but it is not Hollywood-enough an image to show.
>
> The one Hollywoodism that always bothered me is the way a telephone
> reverts to a dial tone when the other end hang up. I've never heard
> this in real life, but maybe it's regional thing. Can anyone from
> New York say whether this really happens there?
Happens that way everywhere I've been in the USA. Not guaranteed
for in-office PBXs or VOIP setups, however.
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #361988 is a reply to message #361823] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 15:51 |
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On Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 11:00:10 PM UTC-5, Lynn Wheeler wrote:
> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
>> I don't know about the composer, but I believe in its final years
>> IBM Typewriter did come out with daisy wheel units. I think they
>> even had a short-lived model for home use.
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>> Around 1983 IBM had the 6670 office printer, which produced
>> excellent quality. We used it as a remote mainframe printer.
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> 6670 was copyier 3 ... with computer interface.
IBM made damn nice copiers. A few places I worked at had them.
Excellent quality.
When we installed our 6670, for some reason it required a PL/I
driver, so we had to add the PL/I compiler. It didn't appear
to the system as a remote JES unit.
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #361989 is a reply to message #361913] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 15:55 |
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On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 6:14:29 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
> But the Selectric Composer produced a higher quality of
> proportionally-spaced typescript, because it was a typesetting
> device.
In one of my jobs I designed forms and we used the Composer for
the printed stuff. I had to draw with a special ink pen. Had
to be careful not to stain my clothes.
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #361990 is a reply to message #361937] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 15:56 |
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On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 2:06:41 AM UTC-5, AndyW wrote:
> Or it could be like the joke in Airplane where throughout the entire
> film there is the sound of a prop plane but it's a jet....or maybe they
> just made a mistake.
Pretty sure that was a subtle joke.
"Airplane" is largely based on the 1950s film, "Zero Hour", using
a great deal of the original script.
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #361991 is a reply to message #361947] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 15:58 |
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On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 5:29:10 AM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
> They could have felt that the sound of a daisywheel wasn't computer-y
> enough, and chose the sound effect of the sound of a dot-matrix printer as
> more suited to the intended atmosphere of the film.
Actually, the sound of my dot matrix printer was kind of annoying,
especially in graphics mode.
Dasiy wheels were quiet. I had a nice one, but the daisy itself
kept breaking, and I couldn't get ink cartridges for it.
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #361992 is a reply to message #361958] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 16:01 |
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On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 10:33:02 AM UTC-5, AndyW wrote:
> In a lot of cases they use what people will recognise and not the reality.
> When someone is using a defibrillator it is invariably the 70s paddles,
> the thump and leap of the body. These days it is a case of stick on
> pads, a beep and a wobble but it is not Hollywood-enough an image to show.
For the longest time, when Hollywood showed someone using a
pay phone, they had the sound effect of the ding-ding-dong of
the coins dropping (as late as 2009). But payphones got rid
of that sound far earlier with single-slot phones.
ding = 5c
ding ding 10c
dong 25c
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #361993 is a reply to message #361961] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 16:01 |
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On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 11:54:30 AM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> At my first job, the rhythm of the printer would tell me from across
> the room not only that an RPG compile was running, but whether it
> had any errors.
+1. Like with the 1403 printing a dump--I could tell by the
sound my job had abended.
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #361994 is a reply to message #361967] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 16:04 |
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On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 11:54:30 AM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> The one Hollywoodism that always bothered me is the way a telephone
> reverts to a dial tone when the other end hang up. I've never heard
> this in real life, but maybe it's regional thing. Can anyone from
> New York say whether this really happens there?
I _think_ it did happen on rural exchanges served by step-by-step
equipment. It had to be the person who called you hanging up.
Sometimes now Hollywood gives that dial tone on a cell phone call.
When it comes to technology, Hollywood takes lot of liberties, either
from ignorance or filming or dramatic considerations.
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362004 is a reply to message #361990] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 17:34 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 12:56:49 -0800, hancock4 wrote:
> On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 2:06:41 AM UTC-5, AndyW wrote:
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>> Or it could be like the joke in Airplane where throughout the entire
>> film there is the sound of a prop plane but it's a jet....or maybe they
>> just made a mistake.
>
> Pretty sure that was a subtle joke.
>
> "Airplane" is largely based on the 1950s film, "Zero Hour", using a
> great deal of the original script.
Zero Hour was 1957. It was in turn heavily based on "Flight Into Danger",
written by Arthur Hailey (who later wrote "Airport").
Flight Into Danger was a 1956 TV film written by Hailey (and John
Castle). It was later tuened into a book, which I have.
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362006 is a reply to message #361383] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 18:31 |
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Huge wrote:
> On 2018-01-27, Freddy <freddy1X@indyX.netX> wrote:
>> Peter Flass wrote:
>>
>>> <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 3:54:14 PM UTC-5, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> The modern mindset is to accept that the failure will occur despite
>>>> >> preventive maintenance and instead work on making the failure
>>>> >> convenient. You can prevent failure by throwing money at the problem
>>>> >> (which is a diminishing returns situation) or you can detect an
>>>> >> impending failure and just schedule a replacement at the next docking
>>>> >> period, production line shutdown, holiday period etc.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sounds like that IBM Watson ad where it schedules airplane
>>>> > maintenance.
>>>>
>>>> Was this in the late 1940s with tab machines? IBM did a lot of
>>>> advertising back then.
>>>
>>> No, this is current. The new system is telling the mechanics that a
>>> capacitor will need to be replaced during the next mIntenance.
>>>
>>
>> In the movie "2001 a space odysey" HAL 'detected' that a radio was about
>> to fail...
>
> You do realise that HAL was (a) mad & (b) lying?
>
>
Certainly I know that something was wrong with HAL, as it is with most A.I.
things in these stories. You can aways tell by the glowing red eyes.
Freddy,
just bloodshot, not glowing...
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362009 is a reply to message #361967] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 18:47 |
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2018-01-29, AndyW <Andy@nojunqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 29/01/2018 10:29, Quadibloc wrote:
>>
>>> In the case of Airplane, it was definitely a joke and not a mistake.
>>>
>>> In the case of TRON, they wouldn't joke about things like that.
>>>
>>> But that doesn't mean it couldn't have been deliberate instead of a mistake.
>>>
>>> They could have felt that the sound of a daisywheel wasn't computer-y
>>> enough, and chose the sound effect of the sound of a dot-matrix printer as
>>> more suited to the intended atmosphere of the film.
>>
>> In a lot of cases they use what people will recognise and not the reality.
>> When someone is using a defibrillator it is invariably the 70s paddles,
>> the thump and leap of the body. These days it is a case of stick on
>> pads, a beep and a wobble but it is not Hollywood-enough an image to show.
>
> The one Hollywoodism that always bothered me is the way a telephone
> reverts to a dial tone when the other end hang up. I've never heard
> this in real life, but maybe it's regional thing. Can anyone from
> New York say whether this really happens there?
>
Been a while since I did this, but I think you get a period of silence
followed by a recording telling you to hang up, or maybe a weird tone, but
not a dial tone.
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362011 is a reply to message #361794] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 19:20 |
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On 1/27/2018 3:50 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 20:18:36 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...]
>>
>> I had a sound clip of the actual HAL quote queued up on my machine,
>> ready for use at appropriate times.
>
> For a long time, it was the system sound for some error message on my
> main PC.
>
When an error occurred on the Atari ST, some guy had the computer play a
recording of what Dorothy said to the Scarecrow on "The Wizard of Oz":
"What would you do if you had a brain???"
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362012 is a reply to message #362011] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 19:48 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:20:09 -0600, Charles Richmond wrote:
> On 1/27/2018 3:50 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 20:18:36 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...]
>>>
>>> I had a sound clip of the actual HAL quote queued up on my machine,
>>> ready for use at appropriate times.
>>
>> For a long time, it was the system sound for some error message on my
>> main PC.
>>
>>
> When an error occurred on the Atari ST, some guy had the computer play a
> recording of what Dorothy said to the Scarecrow on "The Wizard of Oz":
>
> "What would you do if you had a brain???"
I had that for another event! Others I used were:
"Exterminate!" (Dalek)
"Be Seeing You" (The Prisoner)
"Bugger!" (Hugh Grant, Four Weddings)
"I'm completely operational, and all my circuits are functioning
perfectly" (HAL) [startup sound]
"There is a message for you" (HAL)
"You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off" (Italian Job,
original)
"My mind is going; I can feel it" (HAL) [shutdown]
"Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes!" (When Harry Met Sally)
And the 'twitch' noise for when Samantha does a spell in Bewitched...
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362013 is a reply to message #362004] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 20:15 |
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On 2018-01-29, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 12:56:49 -0800, hancock4 wrote:
>
>> On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 2:06:41 AM UTC-5, AndyW wrote:
>>
>>> Or it could be like the joke in Airplane where throughout the entire
>>> film there is the sound of a prop plane but it's a jet....or maybe they
>>> just made a mistake.
>>
>> Pretty sure that was a subtle joke.
>>
>> "Airplane" is largely based on the 1950s film, "Zero Hour", using a
>> great deal of the original script.
>
> Zero Hour was 1957. It was in turn heavily based on "Flight Into Danger",
> written by Arthur Hailey (who later wrote "Airport").
>
> Flight Into Danger was a 1956 TV film written by Hailey (and John
> Castle). It was later tuened into a book, which I have.
The 1958 novelization was titled "Runway Zero-Eight". Typical of
Hailey's attention to detail, the destination airport, Vancouver,
actually has a runway 08, which is the most commonly used runway
in winter months. (It's now 08R; a parallel runway has since been
built to the north of it.)
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362017 is a reply to message #362009] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 20:15 |
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On 2018-01-29, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2018-01-29, AndyW <Andy@nojunqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 29/01/2018 10:29, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>
>>>> In the case of Airplane, it was definitely a joke and not a mistake.
>>>>
>>>> In the case of TRON, they wouldn't joke about things like that.
>>>>
>>>> But that doesn't mean it couldn't have been deliberate instead of a
>>>> mistake.
>>>>
>>>> They could have felt that the sound of a daisywheel wasn't computer-y
>>>> enough, and chose the sound effect of the sound of a dot-matrix printer
>>>> as more suited to the intended atmosphere of the film.
>>>
>>> In a lot of cases they use what people will recognise and not the reality.
>>> When someone is using a defibrillator it is invariably the 70s paddles,
>>> the thump and leap of the body. These days it is a case of stick on
>>> pads, a beep and a wobble but it is not Hollywood-enough an image to show.
>>
>> The one Hollywoodism that always bothered me is the way a telephone
>> reverts to a dial tone when the other end hang up. I've never heard
>> this in real life, but maybe it's regional thing. Can anyone from
>> New York say whether this really happens there?
>
> Been a while since I did this, but I think you get a period of silence
> followed by a recording telling you to hang up, or maybe a weird tone,
> but not a dial tone.
That's what happens here.
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362019 is a reply to message #362012] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 20:21 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2018-01-30, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:20:09 -0600, Charles Richmond wrote:
>
>> On 1/27/2018 3:50 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 20:18:36 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...]
>>>>
>>>> I had a sound clip of the actual HAL quote queued up on my machine,
>>>> ready for use at appropriate times.
>>>
>>> For a long time, it was the system sound for some error message on my
>>> main PC.
>>
>> When an error occurred on the Atari ST, some guy had the computer play a
>> recording of what Dorothy said to the Scarecrow on "The Wizard of Oz":
>>
>> "What would you do if you had a brain???"
>
> I had that for another event! Others I used were:
>
> "Exterminate!" (Dalek)
> "Be Seeing You" (The Prisoner)
> "Bugger!" (Hugh Grant, Four Weddings)
> "I'm completely operational, and all my circuits are functioning
> perfectly" (HAL) [startup sound]
> "There is a message for you" (HAL)
> "You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off" (Italian Job,
> original)
> "My mind is going; I can feel it" (HAL) [shutdown]
> "Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes!" (When Harry Met Sally)
>
> And the 'twitch' noise for when Samantha does a spell in Bewitched...
For a while my Amiga would play John Cleese saying "Stop it!"
when you pressed a wrong key.
ObThreadDrift: One of my favourite telephone ring tones was on
"The Good Wife" - when her daughter called the phone would say,
"Mom, pick up the phone."
ObThreadDrift^2: I once knew someone who had a mynah bird.
Every time the phone or the doorbell would ring, the bird
would yell, "I'll get it!"
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362020 is a reply to message #361751] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 20:31 |
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Freddy <freddy1X@indyX.netX> writes:
> In the movie "2001 a space odysey" HAL 'detected' that a radio was
> about to fail... I am sure that Watson will be much better.
another HAL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Computer_Systems
The company produced multiple generations of computers based on
microprocessors they had designed to the 64-bit SPARC V9
specification. Their processor design, known as SPARC64, combined
out-of-order execution with mainframe-style reliability, availability
and serviceability features. SPARC64 beat out Sun Microsystems'
UltraSPARC I by a few months to be the first SPARC V9 microprocessor
produced.
.... snip ...
in the early 90s, I could drop by ... 10yrs earlier I had reported
directly to him ... somewhat as punishment for being blamed for online
computer conferencing on the internal network (folklore is that when
corporate executive comittee was told about it, 5of6 wanted to fire me)
.... I had to report to him in YKT (on the east coast) but continued to
live in San Jose and kept a few offices in san jose area IBM bldgs.
originally supposedly it was for H & L ... where "L" was a SUN executive
.... SUN threatened to sue and he dropped out.
posts mentioning online computer conferencing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#cmc
posts mentioning internal network
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362024 is a reply to message #362009] |
Mon, 29 January 2018 21:40 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 16:47:51 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2018-01-29, AndyW <Andy@nojunqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 29/01/2018 10:29, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>
>>>> In the case of Airplane, it was definitely a joke and not a mistake.
>>>>
>>>> In the case of TRON, they wouldn't joke about things like that.
>>>>
>>>> But that doesn't mean it couldn't have been deliberate instead of a mistake.
>>>>
>>>> They could have felt that the sound of a daisywheel wasn't computer-y
>>>> enough, and chose the sound effect of the sound of a dot-matrix printer as
>>>> more suited to the intended atmosphere of the film.
>>>
>>> In a lot of cases they use what people will recognise and not the reality.
>>> When someone is using a defibrillator it is invariably the 70s paddles,
>>> the thump and leap of the body. These days it is a case of stick on
>>> pads, a beep and a wobble but it is not Hollywood-enough an image to show.
>>
>> The one Hollywoodism that always bothered me is the way a telephone
>> reverts to a dial tone when the other end hang up. I've never heard
>> this in real life, but maybe it's regional thing. Can anyone from
>> New York say whether this really happens there?
>>
>
> Been a while since I did this, but I think you get a period of silence
> followed by a recording telling you to hang up, or maybe a weird tone, but
> not a dial tone.
You get a rapid beep, and then the line disconnects. No more cries for
help, and an operator saves a life. The phone companies dropped that
last century.
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362025 is a reply to message #362019] |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On 30 Jan 2018 01:21:03 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:
> On 2018-01-30, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:20:09 -0600, Charles Richmond wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/27/2018 3:50 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 20:18:36 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > [snip...] [snip...] [snip...]
>>>> >
>>>> > I had a sound clip of the actual HAL quote queued up on my machine,
>>>> > ready for use at appropriate times.
>>>>
>>>> For a long time, it was the system sound for some error message on my
>>>> main PC.
>>>
>>> When an error occurred on the Atari ST, some guy had the computer play a
>>> recording of what Dorothy said to the Scarecrow on "The Wizard of Oz":
>>>
>>> "What would you do if you had a brain???"
>>
>> I had that for another event! Others I used were:
>>
>> "Exterminate!" (Dalek)
>> "Be Seeing You" (The Prisoner)
>> "Bugger!" (Hugh Grant, Four Weddings)
>> "I'm completely operational, and all my circuits are functioning
>> perfectly" (HAL) [startup sound]
>> "There is a message for you" (HAL)
>> "You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off" (Italian Job,
>> original)
>> "My mind is going; I can feel it" (HAL) [shutdown]
>> "Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes!" (When Harry Met Sally)
>>
>> And the 'twitch' noise for when Samantha does a spell in Bewitched...
>
> For a while my Amiga would play John Cleese saying "Stop it!"
> when you pressed a wrong key.
>
> ObThreadDrift: One of my favourite telephone ring tones was on
> "The Good Wife" - when her daughter called the phone would say,
> "Mom, pick up the phone."
>
> ObThreadDrift^2: I once knew someone who had a mynah bird.
> Every time the phone or the doorbell would ring, the bird
> would yell, "I'll get it!"
There was a free game for the Amiga, I think it came on a .info or
other magazine and if you tried to make a move that the rules didn't
allow, a recording in the game would say 'You can't do that.'.
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362038 is a reply to message #361383] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 02:00 |
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Originally posted by: AndyW
On 29/01/2018 17:03, Huge wrote:
> On 2018-01-29, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
> [18 lines snipped]
>
>>> The one Hollywoodism that always bothered me is the way a telephone
>>> reverts to a dial tone when the other end hang up. I've never heard
>>> this in real life, but maybe it's regional thing. Can anyone from
>>> New York say whether this really happens there?
>>
>> Happens that way everywhere I've been in the USA.
>
> Doesn't happen in the UK. And indeed, the called party cannot make a
> call until the calling party has hung up or some timeout expires.
and a number of banking & police scams depend on the fact that the call
is not terminated until the caller hangs up.
Andy
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362039 is a reply to message #361993] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 02:05 |
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Originally posted by: AndyW
On 29/01/2018 21:01, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 11:54:30 AM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> At my first job, the rhythm of the printer would tell me from across
>> the room not only that an RPG compile was running, but whether it
>> had any errors.
>
> +1. Like with the 1403 printing a dump--I could tell by the
> sound my job had abended.
>
My IT department wrote a routine to print a block of text onto the end
of each print so that they could hear when each batch print had ended
and so they could separate the prints as they came out instead of
searching through a whole stack of fan fold to separate the different
prints. It sounded like descending tones.
Simple everyday genius.
Andy
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362040 is a reply to message #361990] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 02:06 |
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Originally posted by: AndyW
On 29/01/2018 20:56, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 2:06:41 AM UTC-5, AndyW wrote:
>
>> Or it could be like the joke in Airplane where throughout the entire
>> film there is the sound of a prop plane but it's a jet....or maybe they
>> just made a mistake.
>
> Pretty sure that was a subtle joke.
>
> "Airplane" is largely based on the 1950s film, "Zero Hour", using
> a great deal of the original script.
Really? I didn't know that.
I'm off to the wikipedia to read...
Andy
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362041 is a reply to message #362012] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 02:26 |
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Originally posted by: AndyW
On 30/01/2018 00:48, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:20:09 -0600, Charles Richmond wrote:
>
>> On 1/27/2018 3:50 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 20:18:36 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...]
>>>>
>>>> I had a sound clip of the actual HAL quote queued up on my machine,
>>>> ready for use at appropriate times.
>>>
>>> For a long time, it was the system sound for some error message on my
>>> main PC.
>>>
>>>
>> When an error occurred on the Atari ST, some guy had the computer play a
>> recording of what Dorothy said to the Scarecrow on "The Wizard of Oz":
>>
>> "What would you do if you had a brain???"
>
> I had that for another event! Others I used were:
>
> "Exterminate!" (Dalek)
> "Be Seeing You" (The Prisoner)
> "Bugger!" (Hugh Grant, Four Weddings)
> "I'm completely operational, and all my circuits are functioning
> perfectly" (HAL) [startup sound]
> "There is a message for you" (HAL)
> "You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off" (Italian Job,
> original)
> "My mind is going; I can feel it" (HAL) [shutdown]
> "Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes!" (When Harry Met Sally)
>
> And the 'twitch' noise for when Samantha does a spell in Bewitched...
I had (and still do) have an Atari STFM and E and I had it playing all
sorts of noises. When my employer bought in an Atari TT to use as a
cheap unix workstation as an option to Sun workstations. I was the only
one who was familiar and so I was given the job of administering it.
Apparently amusing noises are 'not professional'.
On the upside it failed the test, we stuck with Sun workstations and we
binned it... and I fished it out of the bin and took it home.
I still dig out the atari to play 4 player gauntlet with three ageing
friends... and one day I am going to complete Amberstar.
Andy
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362044 is a reply to message #361383] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 06:34 |
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On 29 Jan, in article <fd92f4FjofmU3@mid.individual.net>
Huge@nowhere.much.invalid "Huge" wrote:
> On 2018-01-29, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
> [18 lines snipped]
>
>>> The one Hollywoodism that always bothered me is the way a telephone
>>> reverts to a dial tone when the other end hang up. I've never heard
>>> this in real life, but maybe it's regional thing. Can anyone from
>>> New York say whether this really happens there?
>>
>> Happens that way everywhere I've been in the USA.
>
> Doesn't happen in the UK. And indeed, the called party cannot make a
> call until the calling party has hung up or some timeout expires.
The timeout is now really short (a second or two), in response to a
telephone scam where the scammers would tell you to hang up and ring
your bank (or whatever) for confirmation of their bona fides, while
staying on the line themselves: they would then play you the dial tone,
listen to the beeps as you entered the number, then "answer" as though
they were the bank/whatever. The scam apparently claimed a lot of
victims before OFCOM told the telcos to reduce the timeout.
I personally find it a pain, because I can no longer transfer a call
between phones by hanging one up and then picking up with another, but I
can see the sense in protecting people from scams.
Although, having said that, a few times we were unable to make outgoing
calls for several minutes after being called by someone who failed to
hang up their phone correctly at the end of the call...
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Simon Turner DoD #0461
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362066 is a reply to message #362039] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 12:25 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 07:05:01 +0000, AndyW wrote:
> On 29/01/2018 21:01, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 11:54:30 AM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> At my first job, the rhythm of the printer would tell me from across
>>> the room not only that an RPG compile was running, but whether it had
>>> any errors.
>>
>> +1. Like with the 1403 printing a dump--I could tell by the sound my
>> job had abended.
>>
> My IT department wrote a routine to print a block of text onto the end
> of each print so that they could hear when each batch print had ended
> and so they could separate the prints as they came out instead of
> searching through a whole stack of fan fold to separate the different
> prints. It sounded like descending tones.
>
> Simple everyday genius.
Never heard of that, but I did the same when I wrote a VMS print symbiont.
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362067 is a reply to message #362040] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 12:27 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 07:06:34 +0000, AndyW wrote:
> On 29/01/2018 20:56, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 2:06:41 AM UTC-5, AndyW wrote:
>>
>>> Or it could be like the joke in Airplane where throughout the entire
>>> film there is the sound of a prop plane but it's a jet....or maybe
>>> they just made a mistake.
>>
>> Pretty sure that was a subtle joke.
>>
>> "Airplane" is largely based on the 1950s film, "Zero Hour", using a
>> great deal of the original script.
>
>
> Really? I didn't know that.
>
> I'm off to the wikipedia to read...
See also what I wrote - Zero Hour is based on a book by Arthur Hailey
(no, not Airport), and that is based on a TV movie also by him and John
Castle.
I have the book, and when I first watched Airplane I kept recignising
stuff. The bit at the end "That was probably the worst landing..." is
straight from the book.
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362068 is a reply to message #362013] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 12:29 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 01:15:39 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2018-01-29, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 12:56:49 -0800, hancock4 wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 2:06:41 AM UTC-5, AndyW wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or it could be like the joke in Airplane where throughout the entire
>>>> film there is the sound of a prop plane but it's a jet....or maybe
>>>> they just made a mistake.
>>>
>>> Pretty sure that was a subtle joke.
>>>
>>> "Airplane" is largely based on the 1950s film, "Zero Hour", using a
>>> great deal of the original script.
>>
>> Zero Hour was 1957. It was in turn heavily based on "Flight Into
>> Danger",
>> written by Arthur Hailey (who later wrote "Airport").
>>
>> Flight Into Danger was a 1956 TV film written by Hailey (and John
>> Castle). It was later tuened into a book, which I have.
>
> The 1958 novelization was titled "Runway Zero-Eight". Typical of
> Hailey's attention to detail, the destination airport, Vancouver,
> actually has a runway 08, which is the most commonly used runway in
> winter months. (It's now 08R; a parallel runway has since been built to
> the north of it.)
The copy I have is actually titled "Flight Into Danger"...leftpondian
differences probably.
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362070 is a reply to message #362038] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 13:09 |
Andy Burns
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AndyW wrote:
> Huge wrote:
>
>> Doesn't happen in the UK. And indeed, the called party cannot make a
>> call until the calling party has hung up or some timeout expires.
>
> and a number of banking & police scams depend on the fact that the call
> is not terminated until the caller hangs up.
The called party could always terminate the call with use of RECALL and
the secondary dial tone, but a year or two ago BT implemented called
party cleardown (i.e. the timeout Huge mentions is now pretty short.)
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362071 is a reply to message #362044] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 13:12 |
Andy Burns
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Simon Turner wrote:
> The timeout is now really short (a second or two)
> I personally find it a pain, because I can no longer transfer a call
> between phones by hanging one up and then picking up with another
Have you tried pressing RECALL, then when you hear the secondary dial
tone hang up the first phone and you should get a ringback so you can
"re-answer" the call on a different phone ...
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362075 is a reply to message #362039] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 14:01 |
Anne & Lynn Wheel
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AndyW <Andy@nojunqmail.com> writes:
> My IT department wrote a routine to print a block of text onto the end
> of each print so that they could hear when each batch print had ended
> and so they could separate the prints as they came out instead of
> searching through a whole stack of fan fold to separate the different
> prints. It sounded like descending tones.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2018.html#90 1956 -- circuit reliability book
standard IBM 1403 was separator header ... mostly blank page with
printing across the perferation (so from side of stack of paper, could
see "darker" marking separating printout ... also easy to see fanning
paper) followed by header page identifying owner of the printout. full
box of printer output could have printout for several dozen different
people when go to separate (N1 had lots of sound deadening, made the
cover so heavy that it had mechanical lift)
later for 6670 (computer driver for effectively copier 3) printers out
in departmental areas. put colored paper in the 6670 alternate paper
drawer. normal printout was on standard (white) paper ... "header" page
(with user identification) was on colored paper from alternate paper
drawer.
we added some extra special for the 6670 header page ... had lots of
extra room ... so selected random entry from some quotation/saying
files. One file had all the IBMJARGON definitions ... another file had
collection of random quotations.
During one corporate audit ... which included checking offices and
departmental areas offshift for classified information left unsecured
.... including 6670 printout in department areas ... they found output
that had the following on a separator/header page
[Business Maxims:] Signs, real and imagined, which belong on the walls of the nation's offices:
1) Never Try to Teach a Pig to Sing; It Wastes Your Time and It Annoys the Pig.
2) Sometimes the Crowd IS Right.
3) Auditors Are the People Who Go in After the War Is Lost and Bayonet the Wounded.
4) To Err Is Human -- To Forgive Is Not Company Policy.
.... snip ...
The auditors then were complaining that we were ridiculing them.
Contributing factor was that we had a lot of demo programs (frequently
games by any other name) on the systems ... and the auditors were
demanding that all games had to be removed. 3270 logon screens at the
time had some statement about "for business purposes only" ... we
managed to get executive authorization that said "for management
approved use only" (with the demo program use as management approved).
some past "management approved use" posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#89 Make the mainframe work environment fun and intuitive
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011e.html#85 The first personal computer (PC)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011f.html#62 Mixing Auth and Non-Auth Modules
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012e.html#95 Burroughs B5000, B5500, B6500 videos
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#6 Some fun with IBM acronyms and jargon (was Re: Auditors Don't Know Squat!)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015h.html#67 IMPI (System/38 / AS/400 historical)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016g.html#66 Is the IBM Official Alumni Group becoming a ghost town? Why?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2017g.html#67 What is the most epic computer glitch you have ever seen?
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362082 is a reply to message #362041] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 14:46 |
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On 2018-01-30, AndyW <Andy@nojunqmail.com> wrote:
> I had (and still do) have an Atari STFM and E and I had it playing all
> sorts of noises. When my employer bought in an Atari TT to use as a
> cheap unix workstation as an option to Sun workstations. I was the only
> one who was familiar and so I was given the job of administering it.
> Apparently amusing noises are 'not professional'.
Ah, how times have changed. Just try to find an office machine that
doesn't make "amusing noises" these days. The first thing I do when
I sit down at someone else's machine is to turn off the speakers so
I'm not pestered by all the little clunks and burps it likes to make.
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362083 is a reply to message #362025] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 14:46 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2018-01-30, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 30 Jan 2018 01:21:03 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2018-01-30, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:20:09 -0600, Charles Richmond wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/27/2018 3:50 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 20:18:36 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...]
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I had a sound clip of the actual HAL quote queued up on my machine,
>>>> >> ready for use at appropriate times.
>>>> >
>>>> > For a long time, it was the system sound for some error message on my
>>>> > main PC.
>>>>
>>>> When an error occurred on the Atari ST, some guy had the computer play a
>>>> recording of what Dorothy said to the Scarecrow on "The Wizard of Oz":
>>>>
>>>> "What would you do if you had a brain???"
>>>
>>> I had that for another event! Others I used were:
>>>
>>> "Exterminate!" (Dalek)
>>> "Be Seeing You" (The Prisoner)
>>> "Bugger!" (Hugh Grant, Four Weddings)
>>> "I'm completely operational, and all my circuits are functioning
>>> perfectly" (HAL) [startup sound]
>>> "There is a message for you" (HAL)
>>> "You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off" (Italian Job,
>>> original)
>>> "My mind is going; I can feel it" (HAL) [shutdown]
>>> "Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes!" (When Harry Met Sally)
>>>
>>> And the 'twitch' noise for when Samantha does a spell in Bewitched...
>>
>> For a while my Amiga would play John Cleese saying "Stop it!"
>> when you pressed a wrong key.
>>
>> ObThreadDrift: One of my favourite telephone ring tones was on
>> "The Good Wife" - when her daughter called the phone would say,
>> "Mom, pick up the phone."
>>
>> ObThreadDrift^2: I once knew someone who had a mynah bird.
>> Every time the phone or the doorbell would ring, the bird
>> would yell, "I'll get it!"
>
> There was a free game for the Amiga, I think it came on a .info or
> other magazine and if you tried to make a move that the rules didn't
> allow, a recording in the game would say 'You can't do that.'.
There was an Amiga disk copy utility that could handle a number of
copy-protected disks. When you fired it up, it would play a clip
from Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean: "Yo-ho, yo-ho, a pirate's
life for me..."
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362084 is a reply to message #362068] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 14:46 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2018-01-30, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 01:15:39 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> On 2018-01-29, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 12:56:49 -0800, hancock4 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 2:06:41 AM UTC-5, AndyW wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Or it could be like the joke in Airplane where throughout the entire
>>>> > film there is the sound of a prop plane but it's a jet....or maybe
>>>> > they just made a mistake.
>>>>
>>>> Pretty sure that was a subtle joke.
>>>>
>>>> "Airplane" is largely based on the 1950s film, "Zero Hour", using a
>>>> great deal of the original script.
>>>
>>> Zero Hour was 1957. It was in turn heavily based on "Flight Into
>>> Danger",
>>> written by Arthur Hailey (who later wrote "Airport").
>>>
>>> Flight Into Danger was a 1956 TV film written by Hailey (and John
>>> Castle). It was later tuened into a book, which I have.
>>
>> The 1958 novelization was titled "Runway Zero-Eight". Typical of
>> Hailey's attention to detail, the destination airport, Vancouver,
>> actually has a runway 08, which is the most commonly used runway in
>> winter months. (It's now 08R; a parallel runway has since been built to
>> the north of it.)
>
> The copy I have is actually titled "Flight Into Danger"...leftpondian
> differences probably.
We read a play script in school; it was titled "Flight Into Danger".
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362089 is a reply to message #362040] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 15:01 |
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On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 2:06:37 AM UTC-5, AndyW wrote:
> On 29/01/2018 20:56, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 2:06:41 AM UTC-5, AndyW wrote:
>>
>>> Or it could be like the joke in Airplane where throughout the entire
>>> film there is the sound of a prop plane but it's a jet....or maybe they
>>> just made a mistake.
>>
>> Pretty sure that was a subtle joke.
>>
>> "Airplane" is largely based on the 1950s film, "Zero Hour", using
>> a great deal of the original script.
>
>
> Really? I didn't know that.
>
> I'm off to the wikipedia to read...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hour!_(1957_film)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airplane!
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362093 is a reply to message #362066] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 16:09 |
Peter Flass
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Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 07:05:01 +0000, AndyW wrote:
>
>> On 29/01/2018 21:01, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 11:54:30 AM UTC-5, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> At my first job, the rhythm of the printer would tell me from across
>>>> the room not only that an RPG compile was running, but whether it had
>>>> any errors.
>>>
>>> +1. Like with the 1403 printing a dump--I could tell by the sound my
>>> job had abended.
>>>
>> My IT department wrote a routine to print a block of text onto the end
>> of each print so that they could hear when each batch print had ended
>> and so they could separate the prints as they came out instead of
>> searching through a whole stack of fan fold to separate the different
>> prints. It sounded like descending tones.
>>
>> Simple everyday genius.
>
> Never heard of that, but I did the same when I wrote a VMS print symbiont.
>
>
Pretty standard. JES2 printed headers and trailers like that, and I think
the older OS/360 "output writer" must have, since the block letter routine,
IEFSD095, was a standard part of the OS. TSS/360 did the same, I used a TSS
header for the Wikipedia article on, I think, "Header page". JES would
print two header and two trailer pages, and overwrite the bottom fold of
the page with a few lines of "stuff", so the separations would show up when
you looked at a stack of paper edge-on.
--
Pete
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362094 is a reply to message #362089] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 16:28 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 12:01:14 -0800, hancock4 wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 2:06:37 AM UTC-5, AndyW wrote:
>> On 29/01/2018 20:56, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 2:06:41 AM UTC-5, AndyW wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or it could be like the joke in Airplane where throughout the entire
>>>> film there is the sound of a prop plane but it's a jet....or maybe
>>>> they just made a mistake.
>>>
>>> Pretty sure that was a subtle joke.
>>>
>>> "Airplane" is largely based on the 1950s film, "Zero Hour", using a
>>> great deal of the original script.
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>>
>> Really? I didn't know that.
>>
>> I'm off to the wikipedia to read...
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hour!_(1957_film)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airplane!
You forgot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_into_Danger
--
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
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| Re: 1956 -- circuit reliability book [message #362101 is a reply to message #362084] |
Tue, 30 January 2018 17:52 |
Alfred Falk
Messages: 195
Registered: June 2012
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote in
news:p4qi2o224o2@news1.newsguy.com:
> On 2018-01-30, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 01:15:39 +0000, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-01-29, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 12:56:49 -0800, hancock4 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 2:06:41 AM UTC-5, AndyW wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Or it could be like the joke in Airplane where throughout the
>>>> >> entire film there is the sound of a prop plane but it's a
>>>> >> jet....or maybe they just made a mistake.
>>>> >
>>>> > Pretty sure that was a subtle joke.
>>>> >
>>>> > "Airplane" is largely based on the 1950s film, "Zero Hour", using a
>>>> > great deal of the original script.
>>>>
>>>> Zero Hour was 1957. It was in turn heavily based on "Flight Into
>>>> Danger",
>>>> written by Arthur Hailey (who later wrote "Airport").
>>>>
>>>> Flight Into Danger was a 1956 TV film written by Hailey (and John
>>>> Castle). It was later tuened into a book, which I have.
>>>
>>> The 1958 novelization was titled "Runway Zero-Eight". Typical of
>>> Hailey's attention to detail, the destination airport, Vancouver,
>>> actually has a runway 08, which is the most commonly used runway in
>>> winter months. (It's now 08R; a parallel runway has since been built
>>> to the north of it.)
>>
>> The copy I have is actually titled "Flight Into Danger"...leftpondian
>> differences probably.
>
> We read a play script in school; it was titled "Flight Into Danger".
My brother did too, but I never did. I did see the original TV drama
several times as a child. I was pretty young, much of it would have gone
over my head. I do have remembered images of some of the actors - it would
be interesting to see it again, and check for match. Most were CBC regulars
in those days.
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