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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360277 is a reply to message #360259] |
Mon, 08 January 2018 14:47   |
Charles Richmond
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On 1/8/2018 9:50 AM, JimP wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 13:08:26 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 7 Jan 2018 15:30:03 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> JimP wrote:
>>>> > On 6 Jan 2018 15:14:55 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Bob Eager wrote:
>>>> >>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 15:09:30 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 05:59:44 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On 5 Jan 2018 09:28:43 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 2018-01-04, J Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps though people should be taking nuclear war into
>>>> >>>>>>> consideration.
>>>> >>>>>>> The various Soviet dictators were not particularly nice people but
>>>> >>>>>>> they were neither terminally stupid nor batshit crazy.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Wasn't Stalin batshit crazy? I agree about the ones after him, though.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Crazy, yes, but not batshit. He was sane enough to understand that
>>>> >>>>> hydrogen bombs raining down on his head was a Bad Thing. I'm not sure
>>>> >>>>> Kim Jong Un recognizes that.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I agree. Un is a spoiled kid playing with matches. And the parents
>>>> >>>> (China) let him.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Bit like Trump, then.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Worse. Trump knows he is not God.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> /BAH
>>>> >
>>>> > I doubt he has the brains to understand he isn't.
>>>>
>>>> I can't tell; the news is so slanted, it's upsidedown.
>>>>
>>>> /BAH
>>>
>>> Yeah, those moderate Republicans who comment on Republican Trump. I
>>> trust them anyway. Well except for the fake Fox News nutters.
>>>
>>
>> Dave Barry had a great column a few days ago that trashed both sides. the
>> anti-Trumpers are so rabid that I don't believe a word they say, although
>> some of it is probably true.
>
> Well, I'm anti-stupid. No genius says they are a genius, for one
> example.
>
Anything President Trump says is *very* vaguely related to anything true...
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360278 is a reply to message #360277] |
Mon, 08 January 2018 14:56 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 13:47:15 -0600, Charles Richmond
<numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
> On 1/8/2018 9:50 AM, JimP wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 13:08:26 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7 Jan 2018 15:30:03 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > JimP wrote:
>>>> >> On 6 Jan 2018 15:14:55 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>>> >>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 15:09:30 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 05:59:44 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On 5 Jan 2018 09:28:43 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>
>>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 2018-01-04, J Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps though people should be taking nuclear war into
>>>> >>>>>>>> consideration.
>>>> >>>>>>>> The various Soviet dictators were not particularly nice people but
>>>> >>>>>>>> they were neither terminally stupid nor batshit crazy.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Wasn't Stalin batshit crazy? I agree about the ones after him, though.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Crazy, yes, but not batshit. He was sane enough to understand that
>>>> >>>>>> hydrogen bombs raining down on his head was a Bad Thing. I'm not sure
>>>> >>>>>> Kim Jong Un recognizes that.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I agree. Un is a spoiled kid playing with matches. And the parents
>>>> >>>>> (China) let him.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Bit like Trump, then.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Worse. Trump knows he is not God.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> /BAH
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I doubt he has the brains to understand he isn't.
>>>> >
>>>> > I can't tell; the news is so slanted, it's upsidedown.
>>>> >
>>>> > /BAH
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, those moderate Republicans who comment on Republican Trump. I
>>>> trust them anyway. Well except for the fake Fox News nutters.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Barry had a great column a few days ago that trashed both sides. the
>>> anti-Trumpers are so rabid that I don't believe a word they say, although
>>> some of it is probably true.
>>
>> Well, I'm anti-stupid. No genius says they are a genius, for one
>> example.
>>
>
> Anything President Trump says is *very* vaguely related to anything true...
I think you give him to much credit, but okay.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360284 is a reply to message #360280] |
Mon, 08 January 2018 18:44 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2018-01-08, maus <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
> On 2018-01-08, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 13:47:15 -0600
>>
>> Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anything President Trump says is *very* vaguely related to anything
>>> true...
>>
>> Reagan -> Bush -> Trump
>>
>> This does not bode well for the remainder of the series.
>>
> Reagan -> Bush -> Trump -> Winfrey?
Nah, too far left. How about:
Reagan -> Bush -> Bush -> Trump -> Duke/Spencer
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360287 is a reply to message #360259] |
Mon, 08 January 2018 20:06 |
Peter Flass
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JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 13:08:26 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 7 Jan 2018 15:30:03 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> JimP wrote:
>>>> > On 6 Jan 2018 15:14:55 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Bob Eager wrote:
>>>> >>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 15:09:30 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 05:59:44 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On 5 Jan 2018 09:28:43 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 2018-01-04, J Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps though people should be taking nuclear war into
>>>> >>>>>>> consideration.
>>>> >>>>>>> The various Soviet dictators were not particularly nice people but
>>>> >>>>>>> they were neither terminally stupid nor batshit crazy.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Wasn't Stalin batshit crazy? I agree about the ones after him, though.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Crazy, yes, but not batshit. He was sane enough to understand that
>>>> >>>>> hydrogen bombs raining down on his head was a Bad Thing. I'm not sure
>>>> >>>>> Kim Jong Un recognizes that.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I agree. Un is a spoiled kid playing with matches. And the parents
>>>> >>>> (China) let him.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Bit like Trump, then.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Worse. Trump knows he is not God.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> /BAH
>>>> >
>>>> > I doubt he has the brains to understand he isn't.
>>>>
>>>> I can't tell; the news is so slanted, it's upsidedown.
>>>>
>>>> /BAH
>>>
>>> Yeah, those moderate Republicans who comment on Republican Trump. I
>>> trust them anyway. Well except for the fake Fox News nutters.
>>>
>>
>> Dave Barry had a great column a few days ago that trashed both sides. the
>> anti-Trumpers are so rabid that I don't believe a word they say, although
>> some of it is probably true.
>
> Well, I'm anti-stupid. No genius says they are a genius, for one
> example.
>
He seems a bit stupid, but people should stop focusing on his tweets and
concentrate on opposing, or supporting, policies they (dis)agree with and
not focus on the trivia. Democrats will absolutely not go along with any of
his policies, even ones they may agree with, in an attempt to make
political points, rather than trying to do something for the country.
Everyone needs to try compromise.
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Pete
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360288 is a reply to message #360260] |
Mon, 08 January 2018 20:06 |
Peter Flass
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JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8 Jan 2018 14:58:14 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> JimP wrote:
>>> On 7 Jan 2018 15:30:03 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> JimP wrote:
>>>> > On 6 Jan 2018 15:14:55 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Bob Eager wrote:
>>>> >>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 15:09:30 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 05:59:44 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On 5 Jan 2018 09:28:43 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 2018-01-04, J Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps though people should be taking nuclear war into
>>>> >>>>>>> consideration.
>>>> >>>>>>> The various Soviet dictators were not particularly nice people but
>>>> >>>>>>> they were neither terminally stupid nor batshit crazy.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Wasn't Stalin batshit crazy? I agree about the ones after him,
>> though.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Crazy, yes, but not batshit. He was sane enough to understand that
>>>> >>>>> hydrogen bombs raining down on his head was a Bad Thing. I'm not sure
>>>> >>>>> Kim Jong Un recognizes that.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I agree. Un is a spoiled kid playing with matches. And the parents
>>>> >>>> (China) let him.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Bit like Trump, then.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Worse. Trump knows he is not God.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> /BAH
>>>> >
>>>> > I doubt he has the brains to understand he isn't.
>>>>
>>>> I can't tell; the news is so slanted, it's upsidedown.
>>>>
>>>> /BAH
>>>
>>> Yeah, those moderate Republicans who comment on Republican Trump. I
>>> trust them anyway. Well except for the fake Fox News nutters.
>>
>> Even the people who support Trump are focusing on the topics
>> of the anti-Trump zealots. noone is reporting the real news.
>> Last night someone on the radio talked about how Trump is good
>> for the US because he has California thinking about the states
>> having precedence over national; this is a 180 degree turn
>> for the rabid Left. :-)
>>
>> /BAH
>
> Well, its a dumb thing for him to say. Federal is over states.
>
Only in some things, and what those things are is often in dispute.
Deciding these things is much of the work the Supreme Court does.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360289 is a reply to message #360279] |
Mon, 08 January 2018 20:06 |
Peter Flass
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 13:47:15 -0600
> Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>
>> Anything President Trump says is *very* vaguely related to anything
>> true...
>
> Reagan -> Bush -> Trump
>
> This does not bode well for the remainder of the series.
>
All we need now is Oprah! If people think there is a lot of "resistance" to
Trump, just wait. Why the heck can't we get a middle-of-the-roader. We
need to abolish the primary system.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360293 is a reply to message #360248] |
Mon, 08 January 2018 21:50 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 11:40:13 +0000, Gareth's Downstairs Computer
<headstone255.but.not.these.five.words@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 07/01/2018 20:37, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> Nah, warp works fine. Kirk and crew were with a Klingon Bird OF Prey
>> about to leave earth in 1986 and jumped to warp still being in earth's
>> atmosphere. No problem, we're still alive :-D
>
> The starship Enterprise has one thing in common with
> toilet paper.
>
> They both assist in getting rid of cling-ons.
The way I heard it was "They both orbit Uranus looking for Klingons".
>
>
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360295 is a reply to message #360259] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 02:17 |
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Originally posted by: AndyW
On 08/01/2018 15:50, JimP wrote:
> Well, I'm anti-stupid. No genius says they are a genius, for one
> example.
It is called the Dunning-Kreuger effect. Worth a quick google.
"The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be
a fool" As You Like it. Shakespeare
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
Andy
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360302 is a reply to message #360287] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 03:09 |
Richard Thiebaud
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On 01/08/2018 08:06 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 13:08:26 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7 Jan 2018 15:30:03 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > JimP wrote:
>>>> >> On 6 Jan 2018 15:14:55 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>>> >>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 15:09:30 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 05:59:44 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On 5 Jan 2018 09:28:43 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>
>>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 2018-01-04, J Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps though people should be taking nuclear war into
>>>> >>>>>>>> consideration.
>>>> >>>>>>>> The various Soviet dictators were not particularly nice people but
>>>> >>>>>>>> they were neither terminally stupid nor batshit crazy.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Wasn't Stalin batshit crazy? I agree about the ones after him, though.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Crazy, yes, but not batshit. He was sane enough to understand that
>>>> >>>>>> hydrogen bombs raining down on his head was a Bad Thing. I'm not sure
>>>> >>>>>> Kim Jong Un recognizes that.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I agree. Un is a spoiled kid playing with matches. And the parents
>>>> >>>>> (China) let him.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Bit like Trump, then.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Worse. Trump knows he is not God.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> /BAH
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I doubt he has the brains to understand he isn't.
>>>> >
>>>> > I can't tell; the news is so slanted, it's upsidedown.
>>>> >
>>>> > /BAH
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, those moderate Republicans who comment on Republican Trump. I
>>>> trust them anyway. Well except for the fake Fox News nutters.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Barry had a great column a few days ago that trashed both sides. the
>>> anti-Trumpers are so rabid that I don't believe a word they say, although
>>> some of it is probably true.
>>
>> Well, I'm anti-stupid. No genius says they are a genius, for one
>> example.
>>
>
> He seems a bit stupid, but people should stop focusing on his tweets and
> concentrate on opposing, or supporting, policies they (dis)agree with and
> not focus on the trivia. Democrats will absolutely not go along with any of
> his policies, even ones they may agree with, in an attempt to make
> political points, rather than trying to do something for the country.
> Everyone needs to try compromise.
>
You mean like the Republicans compromised with Obama?
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360304 is a reply to message #360293] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 05:35 |
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Originally posted by: Gareth's Downstairs Computer
On 09/01/2018 02:50, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 11:40:13 +0000, Gareth's Downstairs Computer
> <headstone255.but.not.these.five.words@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 07/01/2018 20:37, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>> Nah, warp works fine. Kirk and crew were with a Klingon Bird OF Prey
>>> about to leave earth in 1986 and jumped to warp still being in earth's
>>> atmosphere. No problem, we're still alive :-D
>>
>> The starship Enterprise has one thing in common with
>> toilet paper.
>>
>> They both assist in getting rid of cling-ons.
>
> The way I heard it was "They both orbit Uranus looking for Klingons".
>>
>>
>>
Even better! :-)
As in the saying about astronomical research ...
Is Uranus a black hole?
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360306 is a reply to message #360262] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 08:48 |
jmfbahciv
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Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
>> On 8 Jan 2018 14:58:14 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>> Last night someone
>
> Stop listening to that fat fool.
I don't listen to him.
>
>> on the radio talked about how Trump is good
>>> for the US because he has California thinking about the states
>>> having precedence over national;
>
> That's typical right-wing nonsense.
The topic was about legalizing marijuana. Californians don't
want Federal precedence over state.
/BAH
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360307 is a reply to message #360260] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 08:48 |
jmfbahciv
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JimP wrote:
> On 8 Jan 2018 14:58:14 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> JimP wrote:
>>> On 7 Jan 2018 15:30:03 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> JimP wrote:
>>>> > On 6 Jan 2018 15:14:55 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>Bob Eager wrote:
>>>> >>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 15:09:30 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 05:59:44 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On 5 Jan 2018 09:28:43 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>On Thu, 2018-01-04, J Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps though people should be taking nuclear war into
>>>> >>>>>>> consideration.
>>>> >>>>>>> The various Soviet dictators were not particularly nice people but
>>>> >>>>>>> they were neither terminally stupid nor batshit crazy.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>Wasn't Stalin batshit crazy? I agree about the ones after him,
>> though.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Crazy, yes, but not batshit. He was sane enough to understand that
>>>> >>>>> hydrogen bombs raining down on his head was a Bad Thing. I'm not
sure
>>>> >>>>> Kim Jong Un recognizes that.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I agree. Un is a spoiled kid playing with matches. And the parents
>>>> >>>> (China) let him.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Bit like Trump, then.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Worse. Trump knows he is not God.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>/BAH
>>>> >
>>>> > I doubt he has the brains to understand he isn't.
>>>>
>>>> I can't tell; the news is so slanted, it's upsidedown.
>>>>
>>>> /BAH
>>>
>>> Yeah, those moderate Republicans who comment on Republican Trump. I
>>> trust them anyway. Well except for the fake Fox News nutters.
>>
>> Even the people who support Trump are focusing on the topics
>> of the anti-Trump zealots. noone is reporting the real news.
>> Last night someone on the radio talked about how Trump is good
>> for the US because he has California thinking about the states
>> having precedence over national; this is a 180 degree turn
>> for the rabid Left. :-)
>>
>> /BAH
>
> Well, its a dumb thing for him to say. Federal is over states.
It's getting there but is unconstitutional.
/BAH
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360315 is a reply to message #360287] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 11:04 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:06:19 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 13:08:26 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7 Jan 2018 15:30:03 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > JimP wrote:
>>>> >> On 6 Jan 2018 15:14:55 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>>> >>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 15:09:30 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 05:59:44 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On 5 Jan 2018 09:28:43 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>
>>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 2018-01-04, J Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps though people should be taking nuclear war into
>>>> >>>>>>>> consideration.
>>>> >>>>>>>> The various Soviet dictators were not particularly nice people but
>>>> >>>>>>>> they were neither terminally stupid nor batshit crazy.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Wasn't Stalin batshit crazy? I agree about the ones after him, though.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Crazy, yes, but not batshit. He was sane enough to understand that
>>>> >>>>>> hydrogen bombs raining down on his head was a Bad Thing. I'm not sure
>>>> >>>>>> Kim Jong Un recognizes that.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I agree. Un is a spoiled kid playing with matches. And the parents
>>>> >>>>> (China) let him.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Bit like Trump, then.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Worse. Trump knows he is not God.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> /BAH
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I doubt he has the brains to understand he isn't.
>>>> >
>>>> > I can't tell; the news is so slanted, it's upsidedown.
>>>> >
>>>> > /BAH
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, those moderate Republicans who comment on Republican Trump. I
>>>> trust them anyway. Well except for the fake Fox News nutters.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Barry had a great column a few days ago that trashed both sides. the
>>> anti-Trumpers are so rabid that I don't believe a word they say, although
>>> some of it is probably true.
>>
>> Well, I'm anti-stupid. No genius says they are a genius, for one
>> example.
>>
>
> He seems a bit stupid, but people should stop focusing on his tweets and
> concentrate on opposing, or supporting, policies they (dis)agree with and
> not focus on the trivia. Democrats will absolutely not go along with any of
> his policies, even ones they may agree with, in an attempt to make
> political points, rather than trying to do something for the country.
> Everyone needs to try compromise.
As far as I can tell, the Democrats in Congress have tried to
compromise. But the Republicans in Congress see their ideas as a
compromise, or they exclude Democrats and Independants fomr any
legislative discussion. The Republicans have embraced the lunatic
right.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360316 is a reply to message #360289] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 11:07 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:06:20 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 13:47:15 -0600
>> Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anything President Trump says is *very* vaguely related to anything
>>> true...
>>
>> Reagan -> Bush -> Trump
>>
>> This does not bode well for the remainder of the series.
>>
>
> All we need now is Oprah! If people think there is a lot of "resistance" to
> Trump, just wait. Why the heck can't we get a middle-of-the-roader. We
> need to abolish the primary system.
Yeah, any time an African-American runs for office, its seen as
terrible. What we should see as terrible is the lunatics. That means
curently the Republicans. And the Clintons are Conservative, not
Liberal, just to the right of center. The only president we elected
that could be considered Leftist was FDR. And he did some right wing
things.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360318 is a reply to message #360295] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 11:14 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 07:17:44 +0000, AndyW <Andy@nojunqmail.com> wrote:
> On 08/01/2018 15:50, JimP wrote:
>> Well, I'm anti-stupid. No genius says they are a genius, for one
>> example.
>
> It is called the Dunning-Kreuger effect. Worth a quick google.
>
> "The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be
> a fool" As You Like it. Shakespeare
> "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
>
> Andy
Okay, I read it. I had heard about it, but not by any name.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360319 is a reply to message #360306] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 11:17 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On 9 Jan 2018 13:53:56 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>>> On 8 Jan 2018 14:58:14 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Last night someone
>>
>> Stop listening to that fat fool.
>
> I don't listen to him.
>>
>>> on the radio talked about how Trump is good
>>>> for the US because he has California thinking about the states
>>>> having precedence over national;
>>
>> That's typical right-wing nonsense.
>
> The topic was about legalizing marijuana. Californians don't
> want Federal precedence over state.
>
> /BAH
I think legalizing it was a bad idea. And there are federal
anti-marajuana laws. So Feds do have priority in this matter over
states. I'm rather surprised it has gone on this long. I can see it
for medical purposes as dealing with cancer chemotherapy, if someone
actually needs it for that.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360320 is a reply to message #360307] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 11:18 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On 9 Jan 2018 13:53:57 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> JimP wrote:
>> On 8 Jan 2018 14:58:14 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> JimP wrote:
>>>> On 7 Jan 2018 15:30:03 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >JimP wrote:
>>>> >> On 6 Jan 2018 15:14:55 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>Bob Eager wrote:
>>>> >>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 15:09:30 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 05:59:44 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On 5 Jan 2018 09:28:43 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>
>>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>On Thu, 2018-01-04, J Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps though people should be taking nuclear war into
>>>> >>>>>>>> consideration.
>>>> >>>>>>>> The various Soviet dictators were not particularly nice people but
>>>> >>>>>>>> they were neither terminally stupid nor batshit crazy.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>Wasn't Stalin batshit crazy? I agree about the ones after him,
>>> though.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Crazy, yes, but not batshit. He was sane enough to understand that
>>>> >>>>>> hydrogen bombs raining down on his head was a Bad Thing. I'm not
> sure
>>>> >>>>>> Kim Jong Un recognizes that.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I agree. Un is a spoiled kid playing with matches. And the parents
>>>> >>>>> (China) let him.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Bit like Trump, then.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Worse. Trump knows he is not God.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>/BAH
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I doubt he has the brains to understand he isn't.
>>>> >
>>>> >I can't tell; the news is so slanted, it's upsidedown.
>>>> >
>>>> >/BAH
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, those moderate Republicans who comment on Republican Trump. I
>>>> trust them anyway. Well except for the fake Fox News nutters.
>>>
>>> Even the people who support Trump are focusing on the topics
>>> of the anti-Trump zealots. noone is reporting the real news.
>>> Last night someone on the radio talked about how Trump is good
>>> for the US because he has California thinking about the states
>>> having precedence over national; this is a 180 degree turn
>>> for the rabid Left. :-)
>>>
>>> /BAH
>>
>> Well, its a dumb thing for him to say. Federal is over states.
>
> It's getting there but is unconstitutional.
>
> /BAH
And I thought the whole states rights over federal law was decided in
the US between 1860 and 1865.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360325 is a reply to message #360316] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 14:30 |
Peter Flass
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JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:06:20 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 13:47:15 -0600
>>> Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anything President Trump says is *very* vaguely related to anything
>>>> true...
>>>
>>> Reagan -> Bush -> Trump
>>>
>>> This does not bode well for the remainder of the series.
>>>
>>
>> All we need now is Oprah! If people think there is a lot of "resistance" to
>> Trump, just wait. Why the heck can't we get a middle-of-the-roader. We
>> need to abolish the primary system.
>
> Yeah, any time an African-American runs for office, its seen as
> terrible. What we should see as terrible is the lunatics. That means
> curently the Republicans. And the Clintons are Conservative, not
> Liberal, just to the right of center. The only president we elected
> that could be considered Leftist was FDR. And he did some right wing
> things.
>
People keep saying this, but "it's still an apple." I can think of at least
one african-american woman I had hoped woud run - Condi Rice.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360326 is a reply to message #360319] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 14:30 |
Peter Flass
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JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9 Jan 2018 13:53:56 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8 Jan 2018 14:58:14 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > Last night someone
>>>
>>> Stop listening to that fat fool.
>>
>> I don't listen to him.
>>>
>>>> on the radio talked about how Trump is good
>>>> > for the US because he has California thinking about the states
>>>> > having precedence over national;
>>>
>>> That's typical right-wing nonsense.
>>
>> The topic was about legalizing marijuana. Californians don't
>> want Federal precedence over state.
>>
>> /BAH
>
> I think legalizing it was a bad idea. And there are federal
> anti-marajuana laws. So Feds do have priority in this matter over
> states. I'm rather surprised it has gone on this long. I can see it
> for medical purposes as dealing with cancer chemotherapy, if someone
> actually needs it for that.
>
I think it's a terrible idea. Pushed by potheads who use the medical thing
as a smokescreen. The last thing we need is more people looped out on drugs
of any kind. On the other hand, I'm not sure whether this should be a state
or a federal issue.
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Pete
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360327 is a reply to message #360320] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 14:30 |
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JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9 Jan 2018 13:53:57 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> JimP wrote:
>>> On 8 Jan 2018 14:58:14 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> JimP wrote:
>>>> > On 7 Jan 2018 15:30:03 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> JimP wrote:
>>>> >>> On 6 Jan 2018 15:14:55 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 15:09:30 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 05:59:44 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> On 5 Jan 2018 09:28:43 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>
>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 2018-01-04, J Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps though people should be taking nuclear war into
>>>> >>>>>>>>> consideration.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> The various Soviet dictators were not particularly nice people but
>>>> >>>>>>>>> they were neither terminally stupid nor batshit crazy.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Wasn't Stalin batshit crazy? I agree about the ones after him,
>>>> though.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Crazy, yes, but not batshit. He was sane enough to understand that
>>>> >>>>>>> hydrogen bombs raining down on his head was a Bad Thing. I'm not
>> sure
>>>> >>>>>>> Kim Jong Un recognizes that.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> I agree. Un is a spoiled kid playing with matches. And the parents
>>>> >>>>>> (China) let him.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Bit like Trump, then.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Worse. Trump knows he is not God.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> /BAH
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I doubt he has the brains to understand he isn't.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I can't tell; the news is so slanted, it's upsidedown.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> /BAH
>>>> >
>>>> > Yeah, those moderate Republicans who comment on Republican Trump. I
>>>> > trust them anyway. Well except for the fake Fox News nutters.
>>>>
>>>> Even the people who support Trump are focusing on the topics
>>>> of the anti-Trump zealots. noone is reporting the real news.
>>>> Last night someone on the radio talked about how Trump is good
>>>> for the US because he has California thinking about the states
>>>> having precedence over national; this is a 180 degree turn
>>>> for the rabid Left. :-)
>>>>
>>>> /BAH
>>>
>>> Well, its a dumb thing for him to say. Federal is over states.
>>
>> It's getting there but is unconstitutional.
>>
>> /BAH
>
> And I thought the whole states rights over federal law was decided in
> the US between 1860 and 1865.
>
No. It was more decided when the feds decided to apply the "interstate
commerce" thing to just about anything, but the right supreme court will
rein this in.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360339 is a reply to message #360189] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 16:09 |
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On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 3:08:12 PM UTC-5, Peter Flass wrote:
> It still seems like passenger rail should have a place. Airports are
> getting bigger and moving farther out of town. Rail, which can go from
> city-center to city-center has an advantage over shorter hauls, especially
> when you factor in the hassle of airport security. I don't know offhand
> what the sweet spot is in in terms of distance, but there should be lots of
> places. I prefer rail anyhow, the seats actually give you leg and elbow
> room, and you can get up and walk around without worrying about seatbelt
> warnings.
We absolutely need passenger rail, both short and long distance.
Passenger rail is safer than the automobile, takes up far less
ground space, and is far more energy efficient and environmentally
friendly.
Ridership is growing on many metropolitan commuter rail systems
as well as Amtrak. If more and higher quality service was offered,
ridership would grow even further. There are numerous developed
travel corridors where passenger train service would do very well.
Amtrak has plans on the shelf for expansion, however, Congress won't
allow it. Indeed, Congress is hostile, and doing everything it can
to _reduce_ service quality (such as eliminating on-board food
service, a necessity on long distance trains), and failing to
allow Amtrak the environment to run on-time free from freight
train interference.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360342 is a reply to message #360326] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 16:18 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2018-01-09, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think it's a terrible idea. Pushed by potheads who use the medical thing
> as a smokescreen.
<snicker>
> The last thing we need is more people looped out on drugs of any kind.
Yeah, it interferes with their addiction to smartphones, and thus
threatens The Economy.
> On the other hand, I'm not sure whether this should be a state or a
> federal issue.
It's time to treat it like booze. Not that booze legislation is
sensible, but at least it's a bit less hysterical.
The only difference between legal and illegal drugs is whether
the government gets a cut.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360367 is a reply to message #360320] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 21:08 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:18:12 -0600, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9 Jan 2018 13:53:57 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> JimP wrote:
>>> On 8 Jan 2018 14:58:14 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> JimP wrote:
>>>> > On 7 Jan 2018 15:30:03 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>JimP wrote:
>>>> >>> On 6 Jan 2018 15:14:55 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>Bob Eager wrote:
>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 15:09:30 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 05:59:44 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> On 5 Jan 2018 09:28:43 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se>
>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>On Thu, 2018-01-04, J Clarke wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps though people should be taking nuclear war into
>>>> >>>>>>>>> consideration.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> The various Soviet dictators were not particularly nice people but
>>>> >>>>>>>>> they were neither terminally stupid nor batshit crazy.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>Wasn't Stalin batshit crazy? I agree about the ones after him,
>>>> though.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Crazy, yes, but not batshit. He was sane enough to understand that
>>>> >>>>>>> hydrogen bombs raining down on his head was a Bad Thing. I'm not
>> sure
>>>> >>>>>>> Kim Jong Un recognizes that.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> I agree. Un is a spoiled kid playing with matches. And the parents
>>>> >>>>>> (China) let him.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Bit like Trump, then.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>Worse. Trump knows he is not God.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>/BAH
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I doubt he has the brains to understand he isn't.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>I can't tell; the news is so slanted, it's upsidedown.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>/BAH
>>>> >
>>>> > Yeah, those moderate Republicans who comment on Republican Trump. I
>>>> > trust them anyway. Well except for the fake Fox News nutters.
>>>>
>>>> Even the people who support Trump are focusing on the topics
>>>> of the anti-Trump zealots. noone is reporting the real news.
>>>> Last night someone on the radio talked about how Trump is good
>>>> for the US because he has California thinking about the states
>>>> having precedence over national; this is a 180 degree turn
>>>> for the rabid Left. :-)
>>>>
>>>> /BAH
>>>
>>> Well, its a dumb thing for him to say. Federal is over states.
>>
>> It's getting there but is unconstitutional.
>>
>> /BAH
>
> And I thought the whole states rights over federal law was decided in
> the US between 1860 and 1865.
Common misconception. Law is decided in the courtroom, not on the
battlefield.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360368 is a reply to message #360326] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 21:13 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 12:30:26 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9 Jan 2018 13:53:56 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 8 Jan 2018 14:58:14 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> Last night someone
>>>>
>>>> Stop listening to that fat fool.
>>>
>>> I don't listen to him.
>>>>
>>>> > on the radio talked about how Trump is good
>>>> >> for the US because he has California thinking about the states
>>>> >> having precedence over national;
>>>>
>>>> That's typical right-wing nonsense.
>>>
>>> The topic was about legalizing marijuana. Californians don't
>>> want Federal precedence over state.
>>>
>>> /BAH
>>
>> I think legalizing it was a bad idea. And there are federal
>> anti-marajuana laws. So Feds do have priority in this matter over
>> states. I'm rather surprised it has gone on this long. I can see it
>> for medical purposes as dealing with cancer chemotherapy, if someone
>> actually needs it for that.
>>
>
> I think it's a terrible idea. Pushed by potheads who use the medical thing
> as a smokescreen. The last thing we need is more people looped out on drugs
> of any kind. On the other hand, I'm not sure whether this should be a state
> or a federal issue.
Personally I do not see black markets as a good thing. The drug laws
have created a black market in drugs. They don't keep anybody who
wants them from getting them, they just ensure that they will be sold
by violent criminals and not by law abiding taxpayers.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360369 is a reply to message #360339] |
Tue, 09 January 2018 21:16 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 13:09:44 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 3:08:12 PM UTC-5, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> It still seems like passenger rail should have a place. Airports are
>> getting bigger and moving farther out of town. Rail, which can go from
>> city-center to city-center has an advantage over shorter hauls, especially
>> when you factor in the hassle of airport security. I don't know offhand
>> what the sweet spot is in in terms of distance, but there should be lots of
>> places. I prefer rail anyhow, the seats actually give you leg and elbow
>> room, and you can get up and walk around without worrying about seatbelt
>> warnings.
>
> We absolutely need passenger rail, both short and long distance.
> Passenger rail is safer than the automobile, takes up far less
> ground space, and is far more energy efficient and environmentally
> friendly.
Yeah, we desperately need to spend money running more and more emptier
and emptier trains.
> Ridership is growing on many metropolitan commuter rail systems
> as well as Amtrak.
Generally well established lines where rail makes sense.
> If more and higher quality service was offered,
> ridership would grow even further. There are numerous developed
> travel corridors where passenger train service would do very well.
> Amtrak has plans on the shelf for expansion, however, Congress won't
> allow it. Indeed, Congress is hostile, and doing everything it can
> to _reduce_ service quality (such as eliminating on-board food
> service, a necessity on long distance trains), and failing to
> allow Amtrak the environment to run on-time free from freight
> train interference.
If they do that then the freight lines are just going to charge so
much for the use of their tracks that Amtrak goes broker.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360391 is a reply to message #360368] |
Wed, 10 January 2018 01:47 |
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On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 21:13:37 -0500
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 12:30:26 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> I think it's a terrible idea. Pushed by potheads who use the medical
>> thing as a smokescreen. The last thing we need is more people looped out
>> on drugs of any kind. On the other hand, I'm not sure whether this
>> should be a state or a federal issue.
>
> Personally I do not see black markets as a good thing. The drug laws
> have created a black market in drugs. They don't keep anybody who
> wants them from getting them, they just ensure that they will be sold
> by violent criminals and not by law abiding taxpayers.
Precisely, it's not a question of whether or not people smoke pot,
it's a question of who gets their money, organised crime or government. The
big difference being that organised crime doesn't lock people up for
dealing with the government.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360399 is a reply to message #360325] |
Wed, 10 January 2018 08:27 |
Dan Espen
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Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:06:20 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 13:47:15 -0600
>>>> Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Anything President Trump says is *very* vaguely related to anything
>>>> > true...
>>>>
>>>> Reagan -> Bush -> Trump
>>>>
>>>> This does not bode well for the remainder of the series.
>>>
>>> All we need now is Oprah! If people think there is a lot of "resistance" to
>>> Trump, just wait. Why the heck can't we get a middle-of-the-roader. We
>>> need to abolish the primary system.
>>
>> Yeah, any time an African-American runs for office, its seen as
>> terrible. What we should see as terrible is the lunatics. That means
>> curently the Republicans. And the Clintons are Conservative, not
>> Liberal, just to the right of center. The only president we elected
>> that could be considered Leftist was FDR. And he did some right wing
>> things.
>
> People keep saying this, but "it's still an apple." I can think of at least
> one african-american woman I had hoped woud run - Condi Rice.
Holy crap. The queen of obfuscation.
Yeah, that would be just great.
That makes perfect sense, take someone that was a key participant in
perhaps the worst thing the USA has ever done and make her president.
Tell us, was it the enhanced lying?
Saw Trump display his negotiation super powers last night.
I think he was drawn to the word "clean".
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360400 is a reply to message #360391] |
Wed, 10 January 2018 08:53 |
Peter Flass
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 21:13:37 -0500
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 12:30:26 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>> I think it's a terrible idea. Pushed by potheads who use the medical
>>> thing as a smokescreen. The last thing we need is more people looped out
>>> on drugs of any kind. On the other hand, I'm not sure whether this
>>> should be a state or a federal issue.
>>
>> Personally I do not see black markets as a good thing. The drug laws
>> have created a black market in drugs. They don't keep anybody who
>> wants them from getting them, they just ensure that they will be sold
>> by violent criminals and not by law abiding taxpayers.
>
> Precisely, it's not a question of whether or not people smoke pot,
> it's a question of who gets their money, organised crime or government. The
> big difference being that organised crime doesn't lock people up for
> dealing with the government.
>
I think if it's legal a lot more people will use it. Are they going to
advertise on TV? I've seen from TV clips from the pot shops that they're
giving the varieties cutsey names which would appeal to kids.It's like the
dam burst and people are going crazy.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360401 is a reply to message #360369] |
Wed, 10 January 2018 09:10 |
scott
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 13:09:44 -0800 (PST), hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 3:08:12 PM UTC-5, Peter Flass wrote:
>>
>>> It still seems like passenger rail should have a place. Airports are
>>> getting bigger and moving farther out of town. Rail, which can go from
>>> city-center to city-center has an advantage over shorter hauls, especially
>>> when you factor in the hassle of airport security. I don't know offhand
>>> what the sweet spot is in in terms of distance, but there should be lots of
>>> places. I prefer rail anyhow, the seats actually give you leg and elbow
>>> room, and you can get up and walk around without worrying about seatbelt
>>> warnings.
>>
>> We absolutely need passenger rail, both short and long distance.
>> Passenger rail is safer than the automobile, takes up far less
>> ground space, and is far more energy efficient and environmentally
>> friendly.
>
> Yeah, we desperately need to spend money running more and more emptier
> and emptier trains.
Yeah, like the empty acela, ACE, Capitol Corridor and PATH trains.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360403 is a reply to message #360319] |
Wed, 10 January 2018 09:58 |
jmfbahciv
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JimP wrote:
> On 9 Jan 2018 13:53:56 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
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>> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8 Jan 2018 14:58:14 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >Last night someone
>>>
>>> Stop listening to that fat fool.
>>
>> I don't listen to him.
>>>
>>>> on the radio talked about how Trump is good
>>>> >for the US because he has California thinking about the states
>>>> >having precedence over national;
>>>
>>> That's typical right-wing nonsense.
>>
>> The topic was about legalizing marijuana. Californians don't
>> want Federal precedence over state.
>>
>> /BAH
>
> I think legalizing it was a bad idea. And there are federal
> anti-marajuana laws. So Feds do have priority in this matter over
> states. I'm rather surprised it has gone on this long. I can see it
> for medical purposes as dealing with cancer chemotherapy, if someone
> actually needs it for that.
There are others who use it for persistent pain.
I don't have a problem with people using it for medicinal purposes.
My problem is that the second hand smoke would be very detrimental
to me; I go to sleep and can't be woken.
/BAH
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360409 is a reply to message #360391] |
Wed, 10 January 2018 11:58 |
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On 2018-01-10, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 21:13:37 -0500
> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 12:30:26 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> I think it's a terrible idea. Pushed by potheads who use the medical
>>> thing as a smokescreen. The last thing we need is more people looped
>>> out on drugs of any kind. On the other hand, I'm not sure whether this
>>> should be a state or a federal issue.
>>
>> Personally I do not see black markets as a good thing. The drug laws
>> have created a black market in drugs. They don't keep anybody who
>> wants them from getting them, they just ensure that they will be sold
>> by violent criminals and not by law abiding taxpayers.
>
> Precisely, it's not a question of whether or not people smoke pot,
> it's a question of who gets their money, organised crime or government.
> The big difference being that organised crime doesn't lock people up for
> dealing with the government.
On the other hand, there are certain dealings with the government (e.g.
informing) for which they'll kill you.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360417 is a reply to message #360400] |
Wed, 10 January 2018 12:57 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 06:53:32 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 21:13:37 -0500
>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 12:30:26 -0700, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> I think it's a terrible idea. Pushed by potheads who use the medical
>>>> thing as a smokescreen. The last thing we need is more people looped
>>>> out on drugs of any kind. On the other hand, I'm not sure whether this
>>>> should be a state or a federal issue.
>>>
>>> Personally I do not see black markets as a good thing. The drug laws
>>> have created a black market in drugs. They don't keep anybody who
>>> wants them from getting them, they just ensure that they will be sold
>>> by violent criminals and not by law abiding taxpayers.
>>
>> Precisely, it's not a question of whether or not people smoke
>> pot, it's a question of who gets their money, organised crime or
>> government. The big difference being that organised crime doesn't lock
>> people up for dealing with the government.
>>
>
> I think if it's legal a lot more people will use it. Are they going to
The numbers should be in by now from Washington and Colorado.
There were certainly no visible problems in Seattle last time I was there,
if anything there seem to be fewer people smoking it around the back of
Pioneer Square than there were before it was legal.
> advertise on TV? I've seen from TV clips from the pot shops that they're
> giving the varieties cutsey names which would appeal to kids.It's like the
> dam burst and people are going crazy.
The cutesy names have been around since the Dutch plant breeders
got going back in the 70s.
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