| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362139 is a reply to message #362129] |
Wed, 31 January 2018 10:36   |
mausg
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On 2018-01-31, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 6:12:35 PM UTC-5, John Levine wrote:
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>>> I live in the US and have never had a store refuse a $50 or $100 bill,
>>> and I've never gotten a counterfeit bill from a US bank.
>>
>> My friends have been burned with $100 counterfeits.
>>
>> MANY stores, especially moderately priced / individually owned places,
>> will not take $50 or $100 bills. For one thing, it's hard for them
>> to change them, for another, there is the risk of counterfeiting.
>>
>> Many places these days are happy to take a credit card.
>>
> The latest scam around here is to overlay a fake reader over
> an existing card reader. this has happened at gas stations
> and ATMs.
>
> Cash is just fine with me. Noone can trace my purchasing habits
> and noone can "steal" a card number.
>
> /BAH
Where do you get the cash?.. Cash machines here record the number of
the notes they give out. (Old memory, there was a cash machine
opposite the North side of Stephens Green, Dublin, which was
sometimes used as an impromptu toilet, wwhen needs were great, until
one night such a user looked up and discovered a CCTV looking down)
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greymaus.ireland.ie
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362159 is a reply to message #362110] |
Wed, 31 January 2018 14:27 |
Joy Beeson
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On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 18:38:20 -0800, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
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> Or front.
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> For the racks that I have seen, the capacity is two bikes. I
> wonder how it will scale up.
For KABS, it wouldn't have to scale up very far, since the buses are
actually shared taxicabs.
And they stop for you by appointment only, so they could avoid
scheduling more than two bike commuters for the same bus.
But most of their customers can't even walk, so I doubt that they will
get bike racks any time soon. I sure hope that my inquiry didn't
speed up the process.
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Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362178 is a reply to message #362125] |
Wed, 31 January 2018 21:10 |
Gene Wirchenko
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On 31 Jan 2018 09:22:41 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2018-01-30, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> On 30 Jan 2018 19:15:46 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Many of the smaller Lira coins were made of aluminum around 1970. No
>>>> idea if they still are.
>>
>> When I was in Italy in the 80s I was Lira-Millionaire thinking of my bank
>> account at home. ;-)
>>
>>> Italy is part of the Euro now, but I would think will revert to the
>>> Lira some time. Italy is not Germany, and never was.
>>
>> From 1939-1945 they tried though. ;-)
>
> Germany took over Italy in 1943, after the allies captured Sicily.
> For a better example, take a read of the struggle between the (mostly
> German) Emperors and the Italians in the late Middle ages.
>
> One of my daughters travelled by train from Germany to Italy once,
> and could not believe the contrast.
>
> Someone was telling me about travelling by train in Japan. There was
> an announcement, "The Train will be a minute late." :)
Ah, there was this recently --
https://en.rocketnews24.com/2017/11/16/tokyo-train-companys- apology-for-20-second-early-departure-is-one-of-the-best-thi ngs-about-japan/
-- which included:
Japanese trains are awesome for a number of reasons, not the least of
which is how amazingly punctual they are. But on Tuesday, a train on
the Tokyo-area Metropolitan Intercity Railway Companys Tsukuba
Express line failed to stick to its timetable.
The line connects Akihabara in Tokyo with Tsukuba in Ibaraki
Prefecture, and on weekday mornings theres supposed to be a
northbound train that leaves Minami Nagareyama Station at 9:44 a.m.
However, on November 14, the train instead left at 9:43:40, 20 seconds
earlier than its supposed to.
Before the day was done, the Tsukuba Express management issued an
official apology, posted to the companys website.
The statement reads:
On November 14, at approximately 9:44 a.m., a northbound
Metropolitan Intercity Railway Company (main office in Tokyo, Chiyoda
Ward, President & CEO Koichi Yugi) train left Minami Nagareyama
Station roughly 20 seconds earlier than the time indicated on the
timetable. We deeply apologize for the severe inconvenience imposed
upon our customers.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362179 is a reply to message #361906] |
Wed, 31 January 2018 21:24 |
Andrew Swallow
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On 28/01/2018 22:15, mausg@mail.com wrote:
{snip}
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> Ireland used Uk currency up the early 1990s. There was a strip on the
> botton that had, to the best of my memory, "One pound sterling payabe
> to the bearer in London"
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>
Because that is where the Bank of England is physically located. Bank
notes were issued by the Bank of England against its gold reserves.
These days only banks and government departments can have accounts with
the Bank of England.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362207 is a reply to message #360036] |
Thu, 01 February 2018 10:19 |
mausg
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On 2018-02-01, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2018-02-01, Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 28/01/2018 22:15, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>> {snip}
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>>>
>>> Ireland used Uk currency up the early 1990s. There was a strip on the
>>> botton that had, to the best of my memory, "One pound sterling payabe
>>> to the bearer in London"
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Because that is where the Bank of England is physically located. Bank
>> notes were issued by the Bank of England against its gold reserves.
>> These days only banks and government departments can have accounts with
>> the Bank of England.
>
> Wrong.
>
>
Many years ago there was a bank strike in Republic of Ireland, and as
local notes ran out, an amazing variety of notes entered use here,
notes from the Northern Bank, Belfast, Clydesdale bank, Glasgow, etc.
As far as I remember, there was no great amount of fraud.
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greymaus.ireland.ie
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362208 is a reply to message #362139] |
Thu, 01 February 2018 10:27 |
jmfbahciv
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mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2018-01-31, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 6:12:35 PM UTC-5, John Levine wrote:
>>>
>>>> I live in the US and have never had a store refuse a $50 or $100 bill,
>>>> and I've never gotten a counterfeit bill from a US bank.
>>>
>>> My friends have been burned with $100 counterfeits.
>>>
>>> MANY stores, especially moderately priced / individually owned places,
>>> will not take $50 or $100 bills. For one thing, it's hard for them
>>> to change them, for another, there is the risk of counterfeiting.
>>>
>>> Many places these days are happy to take a credit card.
>>>
>> The latest scam around here is to overlay a fake reader over
>> an existing card reader. this has happened at gas stations
>> and ATMs.
>>
>> Cash is just fine with me. Noone can trace my purchasing habits
>> and noone can "steal" a card number.
>>
>> /BAH
>
> Where do you get the cash?.. Cash machines here record the number of
> the notes they give out. (Old memory, there was a cash machine
> opposite the North side of Stephens Green, Dublin, which was
> sometimes used as an impromptu toilet, wwhen needs were great, until
> one night such a user looked up and discovered a CCTV looking down)
I go to my bank. I've never used an ATM.
/BAH
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362211 is a reply to message #362208] |
Thu, 01 February 2018 12:12 |
mausg
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On 2018-02-01, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> mausg@mail.com wrote:
>> On 2018-01-31, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 6:12:35 PM UTC-5, John Levine wrote:
>>>
>>> /BAH
>>
>> Where do you get the cash?.. Cash machines here record the number of
>> the notes they give out. (Old memory, there was a cash machine
>> opposite the North side of Stephens Green, Dublin, which was
>> sometimes used as an impromptu toilet, wwhen needs were great, until
>> one night such a user looked up and discovered a CCTV looking down)
>
> I go to my bank. I've never used an ATM.
>
Same difference. The numbers are checked out.
(How to get anonymous cash?.. Go to a horse race, put on large
amounts, win back smaller amounts, and be aware that such routes are
a good way for forgers to move their stuff.)
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greymaus.ireland.ie
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362229 is a reply to message #362208] |
Thu, 01 February 2018 17:00 |
Mike Spencer
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jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
> mausg@mail.com wrote:
>> Where do you get the cash? [snip]
>
> I go to my bank. I've never used an ATM.
Yeah, but you're a Cranky Ol' Lady. ;-)
But then, neither have *I* ever used an ATM. I go to the bank, chat
with people who know me, fairly rapid employee turnover not
withstanding. I don't have to learn the idiosyncrasies of a new
interface whenever some designer/enngineer manages to flog it to the
bank honchos. Sometimes I even get to sit down while my transactions
are handled. If something doesn't go as expected, the resolution is
in English, not $ERROR-MESSAGE-ARRAY[ $RANDOM-NUMBER / (exec
phase-of-moon())].
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Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
Authentic Cranky Ol' Geezer
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362237 is a reply to message #362229] |
Thu, 01 February 2018 18:20 |
John Levine
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In article <87a7wsid58.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>,
Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
> But then, neither have *I* ever used an ATM. I go to the bank, chat
> with people who know me, fairly rapid employee turnover not
> withstanding. ...
So do I, where they know my dog better than they know me and have
biscuits for him.
On the other hand, my bank is in upstate New York and for some reason
they do not have branches in California and England and Germany and
Singapore and other places where I travel. ATMs definitely come in
handy.
--
Regards,
John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362275 is a reply to message #362229] |
Fri, 02 February 2018 04:14 |
mausg
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On 2018-02-01, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
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> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
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>> mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>> Where do you get the cash? [snip]
>>
>> I go to my bank. I've never used an ATM.
>
> Yeah, but you're a Cranky Ol' Lady. ;-)
>
> But then, neither have *I* ever used an ATM. I go to the bank, chat
> with people who know me, fairly rapid employee turnover not
> withstanding. I don't have to learn the idiosyncrasies of a new
> interface whenever some designer/enngineer manages to flog it to the
> bank honchos. Sometimes I even get to sit down while my transactions
> are handled. If something doesn't go as expected, the resolution is
> in English, not $ERROR-MESSAGE-ARRAY[ $RANDOM-NUMBER / (exec
> phase-of-moon())].
>
You still have real biomass people in your banks?.. Lucky you.
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greymaus.ireland.ie
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362288 is a reply to message #362229] |
Fri, 02 February 2018 09:19 |
jmfbahciv
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Mike Spencer wrote:
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> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>
>> mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>> Where do you get the cash? [snip]
>>
>> I go to my bank. I've never used an ATM.
>
> Yeah, but you're a Cranky Ol' Lady. ;-)
<GRIN> I'm even crankier now. All I want to do is use a computer
as a TTY, IOW ASCII stuff--email and newsgroups. Now I'm discovering
that I have to be a systems AND network manager...and I have no
documentation. Having no documentation isn't new in my computing
life but it's very difficult to "guess" which menu item I need
in order to keep my computing life simple.
>
> But then, neither have *I* ever used an ATM. I go to the bank, chat
> with people who know me, fairly rapid employee turnover not
> withstanding.
My Soutboro bank didn't have rapid turnover. The gals there did
occassionally train males (and they were tough ;-)).
> I don't have to learn the idiosyncrasies of a new
> interface whenever some designer/enngineer manages to flog it to the
> bank honchos. Sometimes I even get to sit down while my transactions
> are handled. If something doesn't go as expected, the resolution is
> in English, not $ERROR-MESSAGE-ARRAY[ $RANDOM-NUMBER / (exec
> phase-of-moon())].
>
In addition, if there is a complicated error made by the bank's
software and obdurate rules, the gal at the desk could wrestle
with the computer and make things correct. OTOH, the male
at the desk is more interested in displaying his peacock
feathers and doesn't seem to be able to tell the computer
what to do.
/BAH
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362291 is a reply to message #362211] |
Fri, 02 February 2018 09:19 |
jmfbahciv
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mausg@mail.com wrote:
> On 2018-02-01, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>> mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>> On 2018-01-31, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>> > On Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 6:12:35 PM UTC-5, John Levine wrote:
>>>>
>>>> /BAH
>>>
>>> Where do you get the cash?.. Cash machines here record the number of
>>> the notes they give out. (Old memory, there was a cash machine
>>> opposite the North side of Stephens Green, Dublin, which was
>>> sometimes used as an impromptu toilet, wwhen needs were great, until
>>> one night such a user looked up and discovered a CCTV looking down)
>>
>> I go to my bank. I've never used an ATM.
>>
>
> Same difference. The numbers are checked out.
It's a big difference. The numbers stay internal to the bank's
system. I don't have to display access data to anyone who is
watching or sensing what is punched. Amounts aren't reported
to the Federal government.
>
> (How to get anonymous cash?.. Go to a horse race, put on large
> amounts, win back smaller amounts, and be aware that such routes are
> a good way for forgers to move their stuff.)
>
Well, nothing is perfectly anonymous. The key is to ensure
that data stays inside the box, in this case, the physical bank.
/BAH
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362296 is a reply to message #362291] |
Fri, 02 February 2018 10:59 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On 2 Feb 2018 14:19:12 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> mausg@mail.com wrote:
>> On 2018-02-01, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>> mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>>> On 2018-01-31, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> > hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>> >> On Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 6:12:35 PM UTC-5, John Levine wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > /BAH
>>>>
>>>> Where do you get the cash?.. Cash machines here record the number of
>>>> the notes they give out. (Old memory, there was a cash machine
>>>> opposite the North side of Stephens Green, Dublin, which was
>>>> sometimes used as an impromptu toilet, wwhen needs were great, until
>>>> one night such a user looked up and discovered a CCTV looking down)
>>>
>>> I go to my bank. I've never used an ATM.
>>>
>>
>> Same difference. The numbers are checked out.
>
> It's a big difference. The numbers stay internal to the bank's
> system. I don't have to display access data to anyone who is
> watching or sensing what is punched. Amounts aren't reported
> to the Federal government.
>>
>> (How to get anonymous cash?.. Go to a horse race, put on large
>> amounts, win back smaller amounts, and be aware that such routes are
>> a good way for forgers to move their stuff.)
>>
> Well, nothing is perfectly anonymous. The key is to ensure
> that data stays inside the box, in this case, the physical bank.
>
> /BAH
If someone uses a check cashing service, their photo is taken. The
camera used to be mounted right at the cash register. Likely in a less
obvious place these days.
If someone doesn't want a bank account, so they cannot be traced...
well, their check cashing is still traced to a location. The check has
to be tracked as well so it can make its way back to the
person/company writing the check so they can account for it.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362298 is a reply to message #362097] |
Fri, 02 February 2018 11:00 |
Jorgen Grahn
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On Tue, 2018-01-30, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On 30 Jan 2018 19:44:04 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>> On 2018-01-30, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 2018-01-29, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> Their official line was that since the 1200-byte message I was sending
>>>> was smaller than the MTU, it would be guaranteed to get to them in one
>>>> piece, thereby eliminating any need to worry about re-assembling packets.
>>>
>>> Isn't the Internet MTU just guaranteed to be 578 or more? But perhaps
>>> $MEGACORP got additional guarantees ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_transmission_unit
I was wrong: IPv4 apparently only promises that 68 bytes of payload
won't be fragmented before it reaches the destination.
>> It's usually 1536 or thereabouts, isn't it?
>
> Unless you're doing directly (not pass it through a WIFI-router) DSL or
> similar. Then you might want to set it to 1492.
As far as I can tell, there are only some things which save you from
bad TCP performance A->B:
- Path MTU discovery (RFC 1191). Does this works reliably nowadays,
and do OSes use it? It seems to be enabled on this machine ...
and it's the right solution, IMO.
- Hoping all hops between A and B have at least as high MTU as A's
interface. If there is a more narrow tunnel somewhere (maybe B
is a cell phone) there's a problem.
- Gateways into a tunnel do "MSS Clamping", where they go into all TCP
SYNs passing by and decrease the MSS value. This is an ugly hack.
- Configuring A based on your experimentally measured MTU to B.
/Jorgen
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362324 is a reply to message #362288] |
Fri, 02 February 2018 17:25 |
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jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> Mike Spencer wrote:
>>
>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>
>>> mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>>> Where do you get the cash? [snip]
>>>
>>> I go to my bank. I've never used an ATM.
>>
>> Yeah, but you're a Cranky Ol' Lady. ;-)
>
> <GRIN> I'm even crankier now. All I want to do is use a computer
> as a TTY, IOW ASCII stuff--email and newsgroups. Now I'm discovering
> that I have to be a systems AND network manager...and I have no
> documentation. Having no documentation isn't new in my computing
> life but it's very difficult to "guess" which menu item I need
> in order to keep my computing life simple.
Maybe a Chromebook?
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362352 is a reply to message #362275] |
Fri, 02 February 2018 22:33 |
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mausg@mail.com writes:
> You still have real biomass people in your banks?.. Lucky you.
Indeed. Today I was served while I sat in a moderately comfortable
chair. The Nice Lady was helpful. The computer screwed
up. Apparently they use OCR on hand-written checks. Works fine on
machine-struck checks. It read "1," (numeral one, comma) as "6".
I left the bank with what I needed -- some cash for shopping -- but it
will require further paper work and the assistance of suitably
authorized managers and computer geeks at the head office next week to
straighten out the bookkeeping.
--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
I told 'em. Millennium hand and fish. Buggrit.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362388 is a reply to message #362324] |
Sat, 03 February 2018 10:07 |
jmfbahciv
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Peter Flass wrote:
> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>> Mike Spencer wrote:
>>>
>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>>> > Where do you get the cash? [snip]
>>>>
>>>> I go to my bank. I've never used an ATM.
>>>
>>> Yeah, but you're a Cranky Ol' Lady. ;-)
>>
>> <GRIN> I'm even crankier now. All I want to do is use a computer
>> as a TTY, IOW ASCII stuff--email and newsgroups. Now I'm discovering
>> that I have to be a systems AND network manager...and I have no
>> documentation. Having no documentation isn't new in my computing
>> life but it's very difficult to "guess" which menu item I need
>> in order to keep my computing life simple.
>
> Maybe a Chromebook?
>
I don't really want to delve into the Chrome world. My point
is that I shouldn't have to be a systems/network guru in order
to use email and newsgroups.
/BAH
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362391 is a reply to message #362388] |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On 3 Feb 2018 15:07:25 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> Peter Flass wrote:
>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>> Mike Spencer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>>> >> Where do you get the cash? [snip]
>>>> >
>>>> > I go to my bank. I've never used an ATM.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but you're a Cranky Ol' Lady. ;-)
>>>
>>> <GRIN> I'm even crankier now. All I want to do is use a computer
>>> as a TTY, IOW ASCII stuff--email and newsgroups. Now I'm discovering
>>> that I have to be a systems AND network manager...and I have no
>>> documentation. Having no documentation isn't new in my computing
>>> life but it's very difficult to "guess" which menu item I need
>>> in order to keep my computing life simple.
>>
>> Maybe a Chromebook?
>>
> I don't really want to delve into the Chrome world. My point
> is that I shouldn't have to be a systems/network guru in order
> to use email and newsgroups.
I'm pretty sure the average 12 year old is not a "systems/network
guru" and yet they have little difficulty using email. Most of them
have never heard of newsgroups though--they use whatever is the
current fad social network instead.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362401 is a reply to message #362391] |
Sat, 03 February 2018 12:16 |
Quadibloc
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Well, for E-mail and use of the Web,
one could always use Linux, which has
both documentation and source code.
That one ought to be a "computer expert" of sorts to keep one's
computer secure these days is not completely false, even though much of
the technical knowledge required to administer a mainframe can be
dispensed with in the case of the personal computer.
John Savard
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362434 is a reply to message #362388] |
Sat, 03 February 2018 16:20 |
Andreas Kohlbach
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On 3 Feb 2018 15:07:25 GMT, jmfbahciv wrote:
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> Peter Flass wrote:
>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <GRIN> I'm even crankier now. All I want to do is use a computer
>>> as a TTY, IOW ASCII stuff--email and newsgroups. Now I'm discovering
>>> that I have to be a systems AND network manager...and I have no
>>> documentation. Having no documentation isn't new in my computing
>>> life but it's very difficult to "guess" which menu item I need
>>> in order to keep my computing life simple.
>>
>> Maybe a Chromebook?
>>
> I don't really want to delve into the Chrome world. My point
> is that I shouldn't have to be a systems/network guru in order
> to use email and newsgroups.
But a Chromebook is exactly for those not want to deal with computer
stuff and menaces. No viruses, no need to update software (all done for
you automatically) and other pains you get with a Windows/Mac (possibly
Linux) OS. Start it, do your thing, don't care about anything.
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You know you are a redneck if
people hunt in your front yard.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362480 is a reply to message #362434] |
Sun, 04 February 2018 04:00 |
mausg
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On 2018-02-03, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On 3 Feb 2018 15:07:25 GMT, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>
>> Peter Flass wrote:
>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <GRIN> I'm even crankier now. All I want to do is use a computer
>>>> as a TTY, IOW ASCII stuff--email and newsgroups. Now I'm discovering
>>>> that I have to be a systems AND network manager...and I have no
>>>> documentation. Having no documentation isn't new in my computing
>>>> life but it's very difficult to "guess" which menu item I need
>>>> in order to keep my computing life simple.
>>>
>>> Maybe a Chromebook?
>>>
>> I don't really want to delve into the Chrome world. My point
>> is that I shouldn't have to be a systems/network guru in order
>> to use email and newsgroups.
>
> But a Chromebook is exactly for those not want to deal with computer
> stuff and menaces. No viruses, no need to update software (all done for
> you automatically) and other pains you get with a Windows/Mac (possibly
> Linux) OS. Start it, do your thing, don't care about anything.
I bought a chromebook, and rapidly passed it on to my sister, a
computer illiterate. I want to know when and how i update
stuff.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362494 is a reply to message #362391] |
Sun, 04 February 2018 10:55 |
jmfbahciv
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J. Clarke wrote:
> On 3 Feb 2018 15:07:25 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Peter Flass wrote:
>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> Mike Spencer wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>>> >
>>>> >> mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>>> >>> Where do you get the cash? [snip]
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I go to my bank. I've never used an ATM.
>>>> >
>>>> > Yeah, but you're a Cranky Ol' Lady. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> <GRIN> I'm even crankier now. All I want to do is use a computer
>>>> as a TTY, IOW ASCII stuff--email and newsgroups. Now I'm discovering
>>>> that I have to be a systems AND network manager...and I have no
>>>> documentation. Having no documentation isn't new in my computing
>>>> life but it's very difficult to "guess" which menu item I need
>>>> in order to keep my computing life simple.
>>>
>>> Maybe a Chromebook?
>>>
>> I don't really want to delve into the Chrome world. My point
>> is that I shouldn't have to be a systems/network guru in order
>> to use email and newsgroups.
>
> I'm pretty sure the average 12 year old is not a "systems/network
> guru" and yet they have little difficulty using email. Most of them
> have never heard of newsgroups though--they use whatever is the
> current fad social network instead.
I don't think they're using email these days.
When I am trying to set up an iBook for access, there are about 15
protocol options with no documentation about what each one does and
why I would want or not want to use it.
I'm pretty sure I'm already infected with legal spyware...at least
that's what the cringey itch between my shoulder blades is
indicating. I still haven't been able to setup email because
I need a certificate downloaded. Except the file has a .ca
address. I don't remember if I clicked on it...I get poopped
out after 10 minutes of trying to wrestle with fucking menus.
/BAH
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362499 is a reply to message #362494] |
Sun, 04 February 2018 11:36 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On 4 Feb 2018 15:55:40 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> On 3 Feb 2018 15:07:25 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> > Mike Spencer wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>>> >>>> Where do you get the cash? [snip]
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I go to my bank. I've never used an ATM.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Yeah, but you're a Cranky Ol' Lady. ;-)
>>>> >
>>>> > <GRIN> I'm even crankier now. All I want to do is use a computer
>>>> > as a TTY, IOW ASCII stuff--email and newsgroups. Now I'm discovering
>>>> > that I have to be a systems AND network manager...and I have no
>>>> > documentation. Having no documentation isn't new in my computing
>>>> > life but it's very difficult to "guess" which menu item I need
>>>> > in order to keep my computing life simple.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe a Chromebook?
>>>>
>>> I don't really want to delve into the Chrome world. My point
>>> is that I shouldn't have to be a systems/network guru in order
>>> to use email and newsgroups.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the average 12 year old is not a "systems/network
>> guru" and yet they have little difficulty using email. Most of them
>> have never heard of newsgroups though--they use whatever is the
>> current fad social network instead.
>
> I don't think they're using email these days.
Of course they are. Just about everybody has a gmail account. It's
set up for you automatically when you register an Android phone or
takes about five minutes when you install Chrome.
> When I am trying to set up an iBook for access, there are about 15
> protocol options with no documentation about what each one does and
> why I would want or not want to use it.
I've never set up an iBook. So far I have managed to keep my life
Apple Free except for early experience with the Apple II that I found
to be so primitive that I wanted to throw it at the wall.
> I'm pretty sure I'm already infected with legal spyware...at least
> that's what the cringey itch between my shoulder blades is
> indicating. I still haven't been able to setup email because
> I need a certificate downloaded. Except the file has a .ca
> address. I don't remember if I clicked on it...I get poopped
> out after 10 minutes of trying to wrestle with fucking menus.
Everything spies on you these days. People just take it as normal.
Having Google know where you're going is a small price to pay for
having them navigate you there avoiding traffic jams.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362506 is a reply to message #362494] |
Sun, 04 February 2018 13:42 |
Peter Flass
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jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> On 3 Feb 2018 15:07:25 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> > Mike Spencer wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>>> >>>> Where do you get the cash? [snip]
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I go to my bank. I've never used an ATM.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Yeah, but you're a Cranky Ol' Lady. ;-)
>>>> >
>>>> > <GRIN> I'm even crankier now. All I want to do is use a computer
>>>> > as a TTY, IOW ASCII stuff--email and newsgroups. Now I'm discovering
>>>> > that I have to be a systems AND network manager...and I have no
>>>> > documentation. Having no documentation isn't new in my computing
>>>> > life but it's very difficult to "guess" which menu item I need
>>>> > in order to keep my computing life simple.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe a Chromebook?
>>>>
>>> I don't really want to delve into the Chrome world. My point
>>> is that I shouldn't have to be a systems/network guru in order
>>> to use email and newsgroups.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the average 12 year old is not a "systems/network
>> guru" and yet they have little difficulty using email. Most of them
>> have never heard of newsgroups though--they use whatever is the
>> current fad social network instead.
>
> I don't think they're using email these days.
>
> When I am trying to set up an iBook for access, there are about 15
> protocol options with no documentation about what each one does and
> why I would want or not want to use it.
>
> I'm pretty sure I'm already infected with legal spyware...at least
> that's what the cringey itch between my shoulder blades is
> indicating. I still haven't been able to setup email because
> I need a certificate downloaded. Except the file has a .ca
> address. I don't remember if I clicked on it...I get poopped
> out after 10 minutes of trying to wrestle with fucking menus.
>
If I have an existing account (yahoo, gmail, etc.) all I have to do is
enter email address and password and the system does all the setup) I do
think there is, or was, some problem with gmail and security. I forgot what
I had to do to fix it.
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Pete
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362507 is a reply to message #362446] |
Sun, 04 February 2018 13:46 |
Andreas Kohlbach
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 16:39:18 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc wrote:
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> Although they have changed this somewhat, originally you could only
> do things on a Chromebook if it had an Internet connection live. Who
> would want to spend the price of a computer on something so nearly useless?
These who use Facebook, write mails occasionally, might do some (cloud)
Office, chat, play simple online games... Not that many I suppose. ;-)
Problem with Chromebooks though they usually have tiny displays. There
exist some with 15" or larger, but I found Best Buy or Staples do not have
them in-stock. You need to order and it can takes days until you receive it.
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Andreas
You know you are a redneck if
people hunt in your front yard.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362508 is a reply to message #362480] |
Sun, 04 February 2018 13:49 |
Andreas Kohlbach
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On 4 Feb 2018 09:00:10 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>
> On 2018-02-03, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> On 3 Feb 2018 15:07:25 GMT, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>
>>> I don't really want to delve into the Chrome world. My point
>>> is that I shouldn't have to be a systems/network guru in order
>>> to use email and newsgroups.
>>
>> But a Chromebook is exactly for those not want to deal with computer
>> stuff and menaces. No viruses, no need to update software (all done for
>> you automatically) and other pains you get with a Windows/Mac (possibly
>> Linux) OS. Start it, do your thing, don't care about anything.
>
> I bought a chromebook, and rapidly passed it on to my sister, a
> computer illiterate. I want to know when and how i update
> stuff.
I agree. A Chromebook is not for most of us here. Although it is
interesting to switch to a TTY and work on its Linux (CTRL+ALT+F3 I
believe) brings you there.
But I guess your sister is happy with it. No need for maintenance, doing
all she needs, no hassle.
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Andreas
You know you are a redneck if
people hunt in your front yard.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362509 is a reply to message #362508] |
Sun, 04 February 2018 14:20 |
mausg
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On 2018-02-04, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On 4 Feb 2018 09:00:10 GMT, mausg@mail.com wrote:
>>
>> On 2018-02-03, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> On 3 Feb 2018 15:07:25 GMT, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't really want to delve into the Chrome world. My point
>>>> is that I shouldn't have to be a systems/network guru in order
>>>> to use email and newsgroups.
>>>
>>> But a Chromebook is exactly for those not want to deal with computer
>>> stuff and menaces. No viruses, no need to update software (all done for
>>> you automatically) and other pains you get with a Windows/Mac (possibly
>>> Linux) OS. Start it, do your thing, don't care about anything.
>>
>> I bought a chromebook, and rapidly passed it on to my sister, a
>> computer illiterate. I want to know when and how i update
>> stuff.
>
> I agree. A Chromebook is not for most of us here. Although it is
> interesting to switch to a TTY and work on its Linux (CTRL+ALT+F3 I
> believe) brings you there.
>
> But I guess your sister is happy with it. No need for maintenance, doing
> all she needs, no hassle.
she wore it out. now looking for one for ger birthdar.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362516 is a reply to message #362507] |
Sun, 04 February 2018 15:52 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2018-02-04, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 16:39:18 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc wrote:
>
>> Although they have changed this somewhat, originally you could only
>> do things on a Chromebook if it had an Internet connection live. Who
>> would want to spend the price of a computer on something so nearly useless?
>
> These who use Facebook, write mails occasionally, might do some (cloud)
> Office, chat, play simple online games... Not that many I suppose. ;-)
>
> Problem with Chromebooks though they usually have tiny displays. There
> exist some with 15" or larger, but I found Best Buy or Staples do not have
> them in-stock. You need to order and it can takes days until you receive it.
Days? <gasp!> What ever will I do with myself in the meantime?
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362518 is a reply to message #362507] |
Sun, 04 February 2018 15:55 |
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Originally posted by: Bob Eager
On Sun, 04 Feb 2018 13:46:42 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> Problem with Chromebooks though they usually have tiny displays. There
> exist some with 15" or larger, but I found Best Buy or Staples do not
> have them in-stock. You need to order and it can takes days until you
> receive it.
I don't mind waiting for what I want. It took five months for my new car,
and my new armchair took three months (it arrived last Friday!)
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Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #362571 is a reply to message #362507] |
Mon, 05 February 2018 10:01 |
jmfbahciv
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Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 16:39:18 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc wrote:
>>
>> Although they have changed this somewhat, originally you could only
>> do things on a Chromebook if it had an Internet connection live. Who
>> would want to spend the price of a computer on something so nearly useless?
>
> These who use Facebook, write mails occasionally, might do some (cloud)
> Office, chat, play simple online games... Not that many I suppose. ;-)
>
> Problem with Chromebooks though they usually have tiny displays. There
> exist some with 15" or larger, but I found Best Buy or Staples do not have
> them in-stock. You need to order and it can takes days until you receive it.
The tinyness would be a problem for me. And Chrome is web-based. I don't
need any steenkin webs. ;-)
/BAH
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #363293 is a reply to message #360036] |
Mon, 12 February 2018 14:58 |
Walter Bushell
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Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2018-01-09, AndyW <Andy@nojunqmail.com> wrote:
>> On 08/01/2018 15:50, JimP wrote:
>>> Well, I'm anti-stupid. No genius says they are a genius, for one
>>> example.
>>
>> It is called the Dunning-Kreuger effect.
> "Kruger".
> You're welcome. :o)
And here I thought Dunning Kruger was Freddy at work.
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To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion:
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #363358 is a reply to message #360036] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 11:00 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 09:34:53 -0600, Dave Garland
<dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> On 2/13/2018 8:39 AM, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> Walter Bushell wrote:
>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Worse. Trump knows he is not God.
>>>
>>>> /BAH
>>>
>>> I wouldn't be sure about that.
>>>
>>>
>> Do you really think that he worships himself when he
>> goes to church?
>>
> What makes you think he goes to church? I'm not going to be
> judgemental about that, because I don't either.
>
> But if he does, the answer is "yes". In his mind, he's the only
> important one, the one who should be glorified.
When he joined a church a few years ago, he was asked if he asked for
forgiveness for his sins ? He replied that he hadn't done anything
wrong so he didn't need to ask for that.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #363365 is a reply to message #360036] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 13:24 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2018-02-13, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> On 2/13/2018 8:39 AM, jmfbahciv wrote:
>
>> Walter Bushell wrote:
>>
>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Worse. Trump knows he is not God.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't be sure about that.
>>
>> Do you really think that he worships himself when he
>> goes to church?
>
> What makes you think he goes to church? I'm not going to be
> judgemental about that, because I don't either.
>
> But if he does, the answer is "yes". In his mind, he's the only
> important one, the one who should be glorified.
He doesn't have to go to church to worship himself.
He does that in every speech.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #363380 is a reply to message #363365] |
Tue, 13 February 2018 16:07 |
Mike Spencer
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
> On 2018-02-13, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/13/2018 8:39 AM, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>
>>> Walter Bushell wrote:
>>>
>>>> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Worse. Trump knows he is not God.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't be sure about that.
>>>
>>> Do you really think that he worships himself when he
>>> goes to church?
>>
>> What makes you think he goes to church? I'm not going to be
>> judgemental about that, because I don't either.
Doesn't he belong to some kind of Norman Vincent Peale "prosperity
gospel" and "power of positive thinking" quasi-cult? I could never
get a handle on just what "worship" is (yes, I've read the whole KJV)
but the NVP mantra is about worshipping yourself. Wealth and
"success" are *proof* that your worship is justified.
>> But if he does, the answer is "yes". In his mind, he's the only
>> important one, the one who should be glorified.
>
> He doesn't have to go to church to worship himself.
> He does that in every speech.
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