| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360682 is a reply to message #360640] |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:59:33 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
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> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
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>> On 2018-01-12, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 13:25:27 -0600, Dave Garland
>>> <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/11/2018 1:45 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> > How often are those trains filled to capacity? The few times I've
>>>> > ridden the Acela it's been kind of like The City of New Orleans--15
>>>> > cars and 15 restless riders.
>>>> >
>>>> How often are automobiles filled to capacity?
>>
>> Not having to share my car with other people, especially people like
>> "J. Clarke", is one of its benefits. And lest there be any doubt about
>> the data I have used to reach this conclusion, I commuted into London by
>> train for several decades. As an experience it sucked syphilitic donkey
>> dick down a long and expensive hose-pipe. The train companies know you
>> have little or no choice, and treat you accordingly. It was a day of
>> great joy when I started working from home and stopped handing over a
>> large part of my taxed income to a bunch of venal, lying, incompetent,
>> uncaring arseholes, whose flayed corpses I would cheerfully have seen
>> dragged in chains behind the trains they (supposedly) operated, until
>> there was nothing left but the chains.
>
> Rode the subways of NYC for 40 years.
> Then I moved to NJ and rode the Erie and PATH for a year or so.
> When I finally got a job in NJ that I could drive to, I finally
> felt civilized.
>
> I haven't tried Uber yet but it looks like you can agree to ride
> sharing or get the car to yourself. Not sure how often I'd go
> for the ride sharing.
I've only used an Uber a few times but never had any indication that
there was going to be anybody in the car but me and the driver.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360685 is a reply to message #360682] |
Fri, 12 January 2018 23:05 |
Dan Espen
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J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:59:33 -0500, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> On 2018-01-12, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 13:25:27 -0600, Dave Garland
>>>> <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On 1/11/2018 1:45 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> >> How often are those trains filled to capacity? The few times I've
>>>> >> ridden the Acela it's been kind of like The City of New Orleans--15
>>>> >> cars and 15 restless riders.
>>>> >>
>>>> >How often are automobiles filled to capacity?
>>>
>>> Not having to share my car with other people, especially people like
>>> "J. Clarke", is one of its benefits. And lest there be any doubt about
>>> the data I have used to reach this conclusion, I commuted into London by
>>> train for several decades. As an experience it sucked syphilitic donkey
>>> dick down a long and expensive hose-pipe. The train companies know you
>>> have little or no choice, and treat you accordingly. It was a day of
>>> great joy when I started working from home and stopped handing over a
>>> large part of my taxed income to a bunch of venal, lying, incompetent,
>>> uncaring arseholes, whose flayed corpses I would cheerfully have seen
>>> dragged in chains behind the trains they (supposedly) operated, until
>>> there was nothing left but the chains.
>>
>> Rode the subways of NYC for 40 years.
>> Then I moved to NJ and rode the Erie and PATH for a year or so.
>> When I finally got a job in NJ that I could drive to, I finally
>> felt civilized.
>>
>> I haven't tried Uber yet but it looks like you can agree to ride
>> sharing or get the car to yourself. Not sure how often I'd go
>> for the ride sharing.
>
> I've only used an Uber a few times but never had any indication that
> there was going to be anybody in the car but me and the driver.
I was just looking at a friends Uber App on their smart phone.
Their were a few options on the car. You could ask for exclusive
use or shared. You could ask for an SUV and a few other options I
don't remember. This may vary by location, don't know. There were
lots of cars available within a few blocks.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360696 is a reply to message #360630] |
Sat, 13 January 2018 05:45 |
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On Fr 12 Jan 2018 at 10:54, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 11:07:34 AM UTC-7, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>
>> And for someone who will claim that private transportation and
>> public transportation are different, what about taxis filled to
>> capacity?
>
> It is not reasonable to expect either a private car or a taxi to be filled to
> capacity, since both modes of transportation are for the purpose of providing
> immediate, on-demand, point-to-point transportation.
>
> In the case of buses and trains, however, having them filled to capacity is at
> least an ideal which can be fulfilled under some conditions.
Filling up the capacity over 80% is - like in a lot of other cases -
ill-advised. I know, it is every managers wet-dream. They should read a
little about queing theory.
Andreas
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360702 is a reply to message #360664] |
Sat, 13 January 2018 08:05 |
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Originally posted by: Gareth's Downstairs Computer
On 12/01/2018 22:53, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 22:36:52 +0000, Huge wrote:
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>> On 2018-01-12, maus <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
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>> [30 lines snipped]
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>>> A problem in the British Isles in that the US system of city grids was
>>> never used.
>>
>> That'll be because many British cities were laid out long before the US
>> existed, and no-one was prepared to knock them down and start again.
>
> But of course Milton Keynes was built later!
>
In my 1930s road atlas, Milton Keynes is a dreamy little village
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360707 is a reply to message #360702] |
Sat, 13 January 2018 12:03 |
Andrew Swallow
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On 13/01/2018 13:05, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
> On 12/01/2018 22:53, Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 22:36:52 +0000, Huge wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-01-12, maus <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [30 lines snipped]
>>>
>>>> A problem in the British Isles in that the US system of city grids was
>>>> never used.
>>>
>>> That'll be because many British cities were laid out long before the US
>>> existed, and no-one was prepared to knock them down and start again.
>>
>> But of course Milton Keynes was built later!
>>
>
> In my 1930s road atlas, Milton Keynes is a dreamy little village
>
After World War 2 the British Government decided to move London's
surplus population. Milton Keynes was one of several villages turned
into new towns.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360710 is a reply to message #360036] |
Sat, 13 January 2018 13:56 |
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On 2018-01-13, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2018-01-13, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-01-12, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> BTW , I just read that a California legislator introduced a bill
>>>> to eliminate zoning restrictions within so many blocks of public
>>>> transportation in an attempt to increase housing density without
>>>> increasing traffic.
>>>
>>> The approach here is to allow new buildings to have inadequate parking
>>> in an attempt to discourage vehicle ownership and use.
>>
>> OTOH parking takes up a lot of otherwise valuable space,
>
> It's up the owners of that space to decide what to do with it, not
> some faceless bureaucrat.
Local developers claim that each parking space they provice in
a new building costs them $40K. This must eat heavily into the
funds they need for buying politicians.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360711 is a reply to message #360036] |
Sat, 13 January 2018 13:56 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2018-01-13, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2018-01-12, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2018-01-12, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> BTW , I just read that a California legislator introduced a bill
>>> to eliminate zoning restrictions within so many blocks of public
>>> transportation in an attempt to increase housing density without
>>> increasing traffic.
>>
>> The approach here is to allow new buildings to have inadequate parking
>> in an attempt to discourage vehicle ownership and use.
>
> Not sure where your "here" is, but some places in the UK do the same.
Vancouver, B.C., Canada - the city that from time to time turns
over another much-needed traffic lane to a handful of bicycles.
Gotta go green, y'know.
> Bastards.
+1
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360723 is a reply to message #360644] |
Sat, 13 January 2018 15:59 |
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On Friday, January 12, 2018 at 3:36:30 PM UTC-5, Peter Flass wrote:
> Private transportation operates on the rider's schedule and goes point-to
> point to the rider's destination. Public transportation operates on its own
> schedule and its own routes. A cab carrying a bunch of conventioneers from
> their hotel to the convention site functions like private transportation. A
> shared airport van that carries a bunch of people to different destinations
> is more like public transport.
>
> Public transportation has to be convenient (enough) to compete. It needs to
> be relatively ubiquitous and frequent. Private transportation suffers from
> traffic delays and parking problems and cost.
>
> BTW , I just read that a California legislator introduced a bill to
> eliminate zoning restrictions within so many blocks of public
> transportation in an attempt to increase housing density without increasing
> traffic.
Often times I cannot use my automobile to get somewhere because
the traffic is too bad. I have to schedule appointments carefully
to avoid congestion. That would include not only the traditional
rush hours, but also the lunch time rush, and sometimes the
shoppers rush.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360731 is a reply to message #360711] |
Sat, 13 January 2018 16:59 |
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On 13 Jan 2018 18:56:33 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
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> Vancouver, B.C., Canada - the city that from time to time turns
> over another much-needed traffic lane to a handful of bicycles.
> Gotta go green, y'know.
And special "bike facilities" are usually designed by people who know
less than nothing about bikes, so bike riders won't use them either.
My town recently "improved" a street for cycling by lining it with
parked cars that had formerly been stored in driveways.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360736 is a reply to message #360036] |
Sat, 13 January 2018 19:56 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2018-01-13, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2018-01-13, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2018-01-13, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-01-12, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-01-12, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > BTW , I just read that a California legislator introduced a bill
>>>> > to eliminate zoning restrictions within so many blocks of public
>>>> > transportation in an attempt to increase housing density without
>>>> > increasing traffic.
>>>>
>>>> The approach here is to allow new buildings to have inadequate parking
>>>> in an attempt to discourage vehicle ownership and use.
>>>
>>> Not sure where your "here" is, but some places in the UK do the same.
>>
>> Vancouver, B.C., Canada - the city that from time to time turns
>> over another much-needed traffic lane to a handful of bicycles.
>> Gotta go green, y'know.
>>
>>> Bastards.
>>
>> +1
>
> Yeah, but you don't want to end up like Toronto; the city that was
> consumed by the automobile.
Perhaps, but better transit would help. And I mean mundane things
like better bus service, not pipe dreams like the $3 billion subway
that the politicians want as a monument to themselves.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360751 is a reply to message #360436] |
Sun, 14 January 2018 05:42 |
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On Wed, 2018-01-10, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On 9 Jan 2018 21:18:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>> On 2018-01-09, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> The last thing we need is more people looped out on drugs of any kind.
>>
>> Yeah, it interferes with their addiction to smartphones, and thus
>> threatens The Economy.
>
> I wonder if overall crime rate went down due to the addiction of
> smartphones.
I think if you dig around, you'll find studies which show this is
the case.
Kids (in Sweden) stay at home more, get drunk and fight less in
public.
Not that this is necessarily a good tradeoff ... other studies link
smartphone use to unhappiness in kids.
/Jorgen
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360752 is a reply to message #360036] |
Sun, 14 January 2018 05:48 |
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On Tue, 2018-01-09, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On 9 Jan 2018 15:20:49 GMT, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
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>> On Sat, 2018-01-06, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> ...
>>> Apropos wings. Cars had "wings" in the 50s and 60s. Where did they go?
>>> And when?
>>
>> They got bought up by enthusiasts in Sweden, who are into americana of
>> that era. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raggare
>
> Thanks.
I should have added a smiley; I don't know what percentage ended up
here. But it /is/ a popular hobby in parts of the country, and I know
a number of people who nurse such a car, and drive it carefully once
or twice a year ...
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360762 is a reply to message #360036] |
Sun, 14 January 2018 10:55 |
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Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On 12 Jan 2018 21:24:03 GMT, maus wrote:
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>> A problem in the British Isles in that the US system of city grids was
>> never used.
>
> That might be true for about most cities of any country other than the US
> and Canada.
Boston is an exception.
/BAH
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360765 is a reply to message #360762] |
Sun, 14 January 2018 11:00 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On 14 Jan 2018 15:55:57 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On 12 Jan 2018 21:24:03 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>
>>> A problem in the British Isles in that the US system of city grids was
>>> never used.
>>
>> That might be true for about most cities of any country other than the US
>> and Canada.
>
> Boston is an exception.
>
> /BAH
New Orleans as well, as some streets follow the curve of the
Mississippi River, and some don't.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360794 is a reply to message #360751] |
Sun, 14 January 2018 15:14 |
Andreas Kohlbach
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On 14 Jan 2018 10:42:59 GMT, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
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> On Wed, 2018-01-10, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if overall crime rate went down due to the addiction of
>> smartphones.
>
> I think if you dig around, you'll find studies which show this is
> the case.
>
> Kids (in Sweden) stay at home more, get drunk and fight less in
> public.
Nice, sort of.
Should encourage the Governments to lower booze prices to fight crime. ;-)
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360795 is a reply to message #360794] |
Sun, 14 January 2018 15:33 |
Anne & Lynn Wheel
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Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
> Nice, sort of.
>
> Should encourage the Governments to lower booze prices to fight crime. ;-)
my periodic comments about business trips to Sweden ... where comments
about serious culture drinking problems ... alcohol was controlled by
government alcohol stores with excessive high prices to discourage
drinking.
i hypothesized that the government store TV advertisements for huge
sales was encouraging government revenue (& drinking rather than
discouraging drinking). a couple old posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007q.html#38 what does xp do when system is copying
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010k.html#1 taking down the machine - z9 series
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#62 What Makes an Architecture Bizarre?
the "Architecture Bizarre" post also references that by 1900 alchohol
and tobacco taxes represented 43% of (US) federal revenue. Supposedly
introduction of income tax was part of the move off running the
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360804 is a reply to message #360795] |
Sun, 14 January 2018 19:50 |
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On 2018-01-14, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote:
> i hypothesized that the government store TV advertisements for huge
> sales was encouraging government revenue (& drinking rather than
> discouraging drinking).
By the same token, the B.C. Lottery Corp. runs ads encouraging
gambling (and government revenue).
Q: Do you buy lottery tickets?
A: No, I don't pay voluntary taxes.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360805 is a reply to message #360794] |
Sun, 14 January 2018 20:51 |
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On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 15:14:34 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach
<ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On 14 Jan 2018 10:42:59 GMT, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 2018-01-10, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder if overall crime rate went down due to the addiction of
>>> smartphones.
>>
>> I think if you dig around, you'll find studies which show this is
>> the case.
>>
>> Kids (in Sweden) stay at home more, get drunk and fight less in
>> public.
>
> Nice, sort of.
>
> Should encourage the Governments to lower booze prices to fight crime. ;-)
Why? The crime rate is going down without lowering booze prices.
What government does not want [[much] more] money?
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360806 is a reply to message #360681] |
Sun, 14 January 2018 20:55 |
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:25:19 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 10:54:43 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
[snip]
>> At off-peak hours, one can't expect to have buses filled to capacity unless one
>> ran them at such a low frequency of service as to severely compromise their
>> usability.
>
> And this is in fact a real issue. People in the US who don't have
Painfully so.
> cars have trouble getting jobs. The reason is that the bus serving
> the employer runs sufficiently infrequently and at a sufficiently
> inconvenient schedule that someone who misses the bus in the morning
> will be hours late after waiting for the next one.
It was only one hour for me, but even with the first bus, I could
not get to work for the nominal shift start time.
> It's a sad story that I've heard from a number of job-seekers.
I have experienced it myself.
I now have a car, but the job ended a month ago. I hope the car
will help me find a job more easily. I know I skipped some places
before, because it was too far/time-consuming by bus.
[snip]
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360820 is a reply to message #360804] |
Mon, 15 January 2018 02:12 |
Charles Richmond
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On 1/14/2018 6:50 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2018-01-14, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote:
>
>> i hypothesized that the government store TV advertisements for huge
>> sales was encouraging government revenue (& drinking rather than
>> discouraging drinking).
>
> By the same token, the B.C. Lottery Corp. runs ads encouraging
> gambling (and government revenue).
>
> Q: Do you buy lottery tickets?
> A: No, I don't pay voluntary taxes.
>
Lotteries are often called "a tax on the stupid".
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360822 is a reply to message #360820] |
Mon, 15 January 2018 02:40 |
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 01:12:24 -0600
Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
> On 1/14/2018 6:50 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2018-01-14, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote:
>>
>>> i hypothesized that the government store TV advertisements for huge
>>> sales was encouraging government revenue (& drinking rather than
>>> discouraging drinking).
>>
>> By the same token, the B.C. Lottery Corp. runs ads encouraging
>> gambling (and government revenue).
>>
>> Q: Do you buy lottery tickets?
>> A: No, I don't pay voluntary taxes.
>>
>
> Lotteries are often called "a tax on the stupid".
Also, more kindly, known as "hope tax".
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Mon, 15 January 2018 04:27 |
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On 2018-01-15, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2018-01-14, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote:
>
>> i hypothesized that the government store TV advertisements for huge
>> sales was encouraging government revenue (& drinking rather than
>> discouraging drinking).
>
> By the same token, the B.C. Lottery Corp. runs ads encouraging
> gambling (and government revenue).
>
> Q: Do you buy lottery tickets?
> A: No, I don't pay voluntary taxes.
>
My children, who are still working, tell me that the real spectacular
f***upa in peoples lives are caused by gambling, rather than the slow
declines caused by alcohol.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360827 is a reply to message #360036] |
Mon, 15 January 2018 06:44 |
simon
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On 13 Jan, in article <fbu46cFmc9iU2@mid.individual.net>
Huge@nowhere.much.invalid "Huge" wrote:
> On 2018-01-12, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2018-01-12, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> BTW , I just read that a California legislator introduced a bill
>>> to eliminate zoning restrictions within so many blocks of public
>>> transportation in an attempt to increase housing density without
>>> increasing traffic.
>>
>> The approach here is to allow new buildings to have inadequate parking
>> in an attempt to discourage vehicle ownership and use.
>
> Not sure where your "here" is, but some places in the UK do the same.
Indeed so; but planners over here often don't so much "allow" inadequate
parking space as *require* it (somewhat thanks to central government
planning diktats, somewhat thanks to misguided local planning policies).
> Bastards.
More like idiots (never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately
explained by stupidity). Entirely predictably, it doesn't work: they've
been doing it around here for years, and all it achieves is that the
roads and pavements near the new developments are clogged with the
parked cars that house owners no longer have off-street parking spaces
for.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360829 is a reply to message #360822] |
Mon, 15 January 2018 09:08 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 07:40:00 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 01:12:24 -0600
> Charles Richmond <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/14/2018 6:50 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2018-01-14, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> i hypothesized that the government store TV advertisements for huge
>>>> sales was encouraging government revenue (& drinking rather than
>>>> discouraging drinking).
>>>
>>> By the same token, the B.C. Lottery Corp. runs ads encouraging
>>> gambling (and government revenue).
>>>
>>> Q: Do you buy lottery tickets?
>>> A: No, I don't pay voluntary taxes.
>>>
>>
>> Lotteries are often called "a tax on the stupid".
>
> Also, more kindly, known as "hope tax".
Probably the winner doesn't feel that way though.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360830 is a reply to message #360827] |
Mon, 15 January 2018 09:10 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 11:44:49 +0000 (GMT), simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon
Turner) wrote:
> On 13 Jan, in article <fbu46cFmc9iU2@mid.individual.net>
> Huge@nowhere.much.invalid "Huge" wrote:
>
>> On 2018-01-12, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2018-01-12, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> BTW , I just read that a California legislator introduced a bill
>>>> to eliminate zoning restrictions within so many blocks of public
>>>> transportation in an attempt to increase housing density without
>>>> increasing traffic.
>>>
>>> The approach here is to allow new buildings to have inadequate parking
>>> in an attempt to discourage vehicle ownership and use.
>>
>> Not sure where your "here" is, but some places in the UK do the same.
>
> Indeed so; but planners over here often don't so much "allow" inadequate
> parking space as *require* it (somewhat thanks to central government
> planning diktats, somewhat thanks to misguided local planning policies).
>
>> Bastards.
>
> More like idiots (never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately
> explained by stupidity). Entirely predictably, it doesn't work: they've
> been doing it around here for years, and all it achieves is that the
> roads and pavements near the new developments are clogged with the
> parked cars that house owners no longer have off-street parking spaces
> for.
I have encountered malicious stupid people, including some who were
managers.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360831 is a reply to message #360762] |
Mon, 15 January 2018 09:56 |
scott
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jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
> Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On 12 Jan 2018 21:24:03 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>
>>> A problem in the British Isles in that the US system of city grids was
>>> never used.
>>
>> That might be true for about most cities of any country other than the US
>> and Canada.
>
> Boston is an exception.
much of the upper east coast (13 originals) have
crazy street layouts - thinking summit, n.j. for example.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360832 is a reply to message #360765] |
Mon, 15 January 2018 10:16 |
jmfbahciv
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JimP wrote:
> On 14 Jan 2018 15:55:57 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>> On 12 Jan 2018 21:24:03 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A problem in the British Isles in that the US system of city grids was
>>>> never used.
>>>
>>> That might be true for about most cities of any country other than the US
>>> and Canada.
>>
>> Boston is an exception.
>>
>> /BAH
>
> New Orleans as well, as some streets follow the curve of the
> Mississippi River, and some don't.
Just after I posted this, it occurred to me that I should have
said Massachusetts. There is no such thing as "going around
the block" to correct for a wrong turn. I figured this out
myself when I got lost the first week I was living in Mass.
I tried to go around the block and, I suspect, I almost ended
up in Rhode Island or Connecticut. When I finally got to
the apartment, I took my clothes off and went to bed with
the intention of never going outside again.
/BAH
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360839 is a reply to message #360831] |
Mon, 15 January 2018 10:57 |
Dan Espen
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scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes:
>> Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>> On 12 Jan 2018 21:24:03 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A problem in the British Isles in that the US system of city grids was
>>>> never used.
>>>
>>> That might be true for about most cities of any country other than the US
>>> and Canada.
>>
>> Boston is an exception.
>
> much of the upper east coast (13 originals) have
> crazy street layouts - thinking summit, n.j. for example.
Partially due to the railroad running through the center of town.
Somewhere I read that completing the railroad ascent into Summit
from NY was a key part of the railroads spanning the USA.
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Dan Espen
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360840 is a reply to message #360765] |
Mon, 15 January 2018 11:18 |
Ahem A Rivet's Shot
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On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 10:00:16 -0600
JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 14 Jan 2018 15:55:57 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>> On 12 Jan 2018 21:24:03 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A problem in the British Isles in that the US system of city grids was
>>>> never used.
>>>
>>> That might be true for about most cities of any country other than the
>>> US and Canada.
>>
>> Boston is an exception.
>>
>> /BAH
>
> New Orleans as well, as some streets follow the curve of the
> Mississippi River, and some don't.
The grid in Seattle seems more nominal than actual too.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360845 is a reply to message #360036] |
Mon, 15 January 2018 13:59 |
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Originally posted by: JimP
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 11:16:45 -0600, Dave Garland
<dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> On 1/15/2018 4:44 AM, Huge wrote:
>> On 2018-01-14, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>> On 1/14/2018 4:44 AM, Huge wrote:
>
>>>> Bike riders arrogance blinds them to anything other than exclusive
>>>> use of roads they did not pay for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Relax, in the US at least, everybody pays for the roads.
>>
>> Nope. Cyclists do not pay any taxes *as* *cyclists*.
>
> But they do *as* *taxpayers*. When the city repaved the street in
> front of my house, they said "that'll be $2500 for your property tax
> bill (easy installments available)." They didn't ask if I was a
> motorist or a cyclist.
>
> Motorists (and especially heavy trucks) cause virtually all of the
> wear and tear, pollution, and need for more lanes, so they should pay
> a bit more, eh?
Of course, but they just miiiight have a strong lobby. Uhm, concerned
citizens group.
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360847 is a reply to message #360840] |
Mon, 15 January 2018 14:10 |
mausg
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On 2018-01-15, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 10:00:16 -0600
> JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 14 Jan 2018 15:55:57 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>> On 12 Jan 2018 21:24:03 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > A problem in the British Isles in that the US system of city grids was
>>>> > never used.
>>>>
>>>> That might be true for about most cities of any country other than the
>>>> US and Canada.
>>>
>>> Boston is an exception.
>>>
>>> /BAH
>>
>> New Orleans as well, as some streets follow the curve of the
>> Mississippi River, and some don't.
>
> The grid in Seattle seems more nominal than actual too.
>
The oppertunity was missed in London after the great fire, the problem
was that the King had not the power over the landowners that would allow
such changes. Baron Haussmann had the oppertunity in Paris (never been),
but it seems beautiful on TV. The women too.
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greymaus.ireland.ie
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360849 is a reply to message #360805] |
Mon, 15 January 2018 15:03 |
Jorgen Grahn
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On Mon, 2018-01-15, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 15:14:34 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach
> <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
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>> On 14 Jan 2018 10:42:59 GMT, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2018-01-10, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if overall crime rate went down due to the addiction of
>>>> smartphones.
>>>
>>> I think if you dig around, you'll find studies which show this is
>>> the case.
>>>
>>> Kids (in Sweden) stay at home more, get drunk and fight less in
>>> public.
>>
>> Nice, sort of.
>>
>> Should encourage the Governments to lower booze prices to fight crime. ;-)
>
> Why? The crime rate is going down without lowering booze prices.
> What government does not want [[much] more] money?
I suspect Andreas misread my text:
stay at home more, (get drunk and fight less) # intended
(stay at home more, get drunk) and fight less # not intended
/Jorgen
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| Re: Predicting the future in five years as seen from 1983 [message #360880 is a reply to message #360874] |
Mon, 15 January 2018 23:49 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2018-01-16, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:50:46 -0400, Joy Beeson
> <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 08:10:42 -0600, JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have encountered malicious stupid people, including some who were
>>> managers.
>>
>> You have to be stupid to be malicious, or at least not playing with a
>> full deck.
>
> Smoe of them had university degrees... so I don't think all mlicious
> people are stupid. Maybe incompetent to do their jobs.
Psychopaths can be very intelligent indeed.
But I'd rather not see intelligence applied that way.
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