| Another odd problem on a common Mac... [message #358239] |
Sat, 09 December 2017 02:49  |
Gary Satterfield
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I have a Power Mac 6500/275 that absolutely refuses to connect to anything
via ethernet. I connect it via cat-5 cable from this Mac's onboard,
Apple-supplied PCI ethernet card to a switch, and it will never obtain an
IP address. I have tried Mac OS 8.5 and 9.1 with no luck whatsoever. I used
OS 9 helper to upgrade it to Mac OS 9.2 but still no joy. TCP/IP and
AppleTalk do not even see an ethernet card in this machine. I have used
Apple's LocalTalk Switch, to no avail.
Let's see what else I have done to this machine...
I bought a new-in-a-shrink-wrapped-box Asante 10/100 PCI card to replace
the Apple card. No joy.
I replaced the PCI Riser Card with a brand-new one. Nothing.
I took the Comm Slot modem card out of it, as they are no longer supported
by Apple. Nada.
I swapped PCI slots for the ethernet card. Nope.
The only thing I have not done is replaced the logic board. This seems a
bridge too far. The lights on the back of both the Apple-branded PCI card
and the Asante PCI card light up when connected to either a switch or a
hub, but ethernet never works in TCP/IP or AppleTalk. There is no option to
select ethernet in TCP/IP or AppleTalk in ANY OS. I have zapped PRAM, swore
at it, sneezed on it, gave it the side eye as I held my mouth a certain
way, and pounded on it a couple of times.
One thing I have not done is replace the PRAM battery. My training suggests
that a dead PRAM battery should not disable a PCI ethernet card on this
particular machine, though I would love to be proven wrong.
This 6500 has a 6 GB hard drive, 96 MB RAM. I have also dug through the
6400 Zone's vast knowledge about the quirks of this machine and the 6400. I
am at my wit's end.
Any direction at all you kind folks can offer me would be much appreciated.
Thanks!
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| Re: Another odd problem on a common Mac... [message #358240 is a reply to message #358239] |
Sat, 09 December 2017 04:31  |
Jason Johnson
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you need the proper extention installed and classic mac networking needs a 10/100 router or older. you may also need to put in ip addresses. look up classic mac networking. Also Open Transport needs installed. Without all these things you will have zero luck connecting to a network.
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Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 11:49:10 PM
To: Vintage Macs
Subject: Another odd problem on a common Mac...
I have a Power Mac 6500/275 that absolutely refuses to connect to anything via ethernet. I connect it via cat-5 cable from this Mac's onboard, Apple-supplied PCI ethernet card to a switch, and it will never obtain an IP address. I have tried Mac OS 8.5 and 9.1 with no luck whatsoever. I used OS 9 helper to upgrade it to Mac OS 9.2 but still no joy. TCP/IP and AppleTalk do not even see an ethernet card in this machine. I have used Apple's LocalTalk Switch, to no avail.
Let's see what else I have done to this machine...
I bought a new-in-a-shrink-wrapped-box Asante 10/100 PCI card to replace the Apple card. No joy.
I replaced the PCI Riser Card with a brand-new one. Nothing.
I took the Comm Slot modem card out of it, as they are no longer supported by Apple. Nada.
I swapped PCI slots for the ethernet card. Nope.
The only thing I have not done is replaced the logic board. This seems a bridge too far. The lights on the back of both the Apple-branded PCI card and the Asante PCI card light up when connected to either a switch or a hub, but ethernet never works in TCP/IP or AppleTalk. There is no option to select ethernet in TCP/IP or AppleTalk in ANY OS. I have zapped PRAM, swore at it, sneezed on it, gave it the side eye as I held my mouth a certain way, and pounded on it a couple of times.
One thing I have not done is replace the PRAM battery. My training suggests that a dead PRAM battery should not disable a PCI ethernet card on this particular machine, though I would love to be proven wrong.
This 6500 has a 6 GB hard drive, 96 MB RAM. I have also dug through the 6400 Zone's vast knowledge about the quirks of this machine and the 6400. I am at my wit's end.
Any direction at all you kind folks can offer me would be much appreciated. Thanks!
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| Re: Another odd problem on a common Mac... [message #358241 is a reply to message #358240] |
Sat, 09 December 2017 05:23 |
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Something else to keep in mind is that OS 9.2.2 and older can only connect to a single network protocol on a single interface, without using 3rd party software. Macintosh wouldn't match Windows' native ability to connect to multiple protocols on more than one interface simultaneously until OS X came along.
On Saturday, December 9, 2017, 2:31:36 AM MST, Jason Johnson <havokalien@hotmail.com> wrote:
you need the proper extention installed and classic mac networking needs a 10/100 router or older. you may also need to put in ip addresses. look up classic mac networking. Also Open Transport needs installed. Without all these things you will have zero luck connecting to a network.
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| Re: Another odd problem on a common Mac... [message #358287 is a reply to message #358239] |
Sat, 09 December 2017 17:03 |
Gary Satterfield
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I have installed all drivers for all network cards, and Apple's TCP/IP is
installed by default in both Mac OS 8.5 and 9.1. I have connected this
misbehaving Mac to modern 10/100 ethernet switches and hubs, older
10-base-T hubs, and to another older Mac via a crossover ethernet cable. In
all instances, all OSes patently refuse to see an ethernet card of any kind
in this machine. I am nearly convinced the logic board is somehow goofed
up, but still hold out hope that just maybe, the dead PRAM battery is the
culprit. Help? :P
On Saturday, 9 December 2017 01:49:10 UTC-6, Gary Satterfield wrote:
>
> I have a Power Mac 6500/275 that absolutely refuses to connect to anything
> via ethernet. I connect it via cat-5 cable from this Mac's onboard,
> Apple-supplied PCI ethernet card to a switch, and it will never obtain an
> IP address. I have tried Mac OS 8.5 and 9.1 with no luck whatsoever. I used
> OS 9 helper to upgrade it to Mac OS 9.2 but still no joy. TCP/IP and
> AppleTalk do not even see an ethernet card in this machine. I have used
> Apple's LocalTalk Switch, to no avail.
>
> Let's see what else I have done to this machine...
>
> I bought a new-in-a-shrink-wrapped-box Asante 10/100 PCI card to replace
> the Apple card. No joy.
>
> I replaced the PCI Riser Card with a brand-new one. Nothing.
>
> I took the Comm Slot modem card out of it, as they are no longer supported
> by Apple. Nada.
>
> I swapped PCI slots for the ethernet card. Nope.
>
> The only thing I have not done is replaced the logic board. This seems a
> bridge too far. The lights on the back of both the Apple-branded PCI card
> and the Asante PCI card light up when connected to either a switch or a
> hub, but ethernet never works in TCP/IP or AppleTalk. There is no option to
> select ethernet in TCP/IP or AppleTalk in ANY OS. I have zapped PRAM, swore
> at it, sneezed on it, gave it the side eye as I held my mouth a certain
> way, and pounded on it a couple of times.
>
> One thing I have not done is replace the PRAM battery. My training
> suggests that a dead PRAM battery should not disable a PCI ethernet card on
> this particular machine, though I would love to be proven wrong.
>
> This 6500 has a 6 GB hard drive, 96 MB RAM. I have also dug through the
> 6400 Zone's vast knowledge about the quirks of this machine and the 6400. I
> am at my wit's end.
>
> Any direction at all you kind folks can offer me would be much
> appreciated. Thanks!
>
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| Re: Another odd problem on a common Mac... [message #358288 is a reply to message #358243] |
Sat, 09 December 2017 17:06 |
Gary Satterfield
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Apple's System Report sees a card in the PCI slot, but does not identify it
outright.
On Saturday, 9 December 2017 06:24:34 UTC-6, Jonathan Morton wrote:
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> OpenTransport should be there by default in those later MacOS versions.
> Also, pretty much any current router or switch will still support the
> 10base-T half-duplex mode which is the lowest common denominator for
> Ethernet, even if they also support GigE.
>
> That leaves the driver extension as the remaining plausible factor. Not
> having had a PCI PowerMac myself, is there a way to list the contents of
> the slots independent of drivers for them?
>
> - Jonathan Morton
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| Re: Another odd problem on a common Mac... [message #358371 is a reply to message #358289] |
Mon, 11 December 2017 04:08 |
Jason Johnson
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For the apple pci cards i had to "extract" the correct driver rom the card from the installer cd as the installer "lied" and said it was installed. Also Open Transport (the newest version for the OS you are using ) is a must. Also look up classic mac networking and like one pae should be in the top of the list with pictures. It will walk you step by step.
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From: vintage-macs@googlegroups.com <vintage-macs@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 2:33:38 PM
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Subject: Re: Another odd problem on a common Mac...
It does smell like something's up with the PCI bus on that machine. A screenshot of ASP might help to verify that.
Meanwhile, you could look closely for bad capacitors and damaged traces. Capacitors can normally be replaced, and are certainly capable of causing this sort of trouble. Don't forget the PSU as a possible location of trouble.
- Jonathan Morton
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