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Barry Cross is currently offline  Barry Cross
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I am looking for a Mac for my Linotype scanner.
I had a G3 Beige desktop which worked great,
I had to get shot of it hence the need for a replacement.
I've heard that the latter Blue G3 Macs were more reliable, except they didn't have SCSI built in, and I'd need an SCSI card for it which would probably be harder to locate.

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Re: G3 Beige [message #355189 is a reply to message #355188] Sun, 26 November 2017 11:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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SCSI cards are actually pretty available via eBay and other sources, so
don't let that discourage you from a B&W without a SCSI card. Look for
Adaptec 2930 or 2940 cards, depending which external physical plug you need
to connect the scanner.

Do you have an OS requirement as well, or will any classic OS work? The
Graphite G4 towers are also pretty cheap these days, so if you can run 8.6
or 9 that's also an option to put a SCSI card in.

On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Barry Cross <ygwerin@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am looking for a Mac for my Linotype scanner.
> I had a G3 Beige desktop which worked great,
> I had to get shot of it hence the need for a replacement.
> I've heard that the latter Blue G3 Macs were more reliable, except they
> didn't have SCSI built in, and I'd need an SCSI card for it which would
> probably be harder to locate.
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Re: G3 Beige [message #355190 is a reply to message #355189] Sun, 26 November 2017 17:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have an Adaptec 2930 and 2940 if you need a card. As said in previous post, depending on system requirements of the scanner go for a B&W Rev2 or better yet a G4 if compatible.
On Sunday, November 26, 2017, 11:01:31 AM EST, <theonetruestickman@gmail.com> wrote:

SCSI cards are actually pretty available via eBay and other sources, so don't let that discourage you from a B&W without a SCSI card. Look for Adaptec 2930 or 2940 cards, depending which external physical plug you need to connect the scanner. 
Do you have an OS requirement as well, or will any classic OS work? The Graphite G4 towers are also pretty cheap these days, so if you can run 8.6 or 9 that's also an option to put a SCSI card in.
On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Barry Cross <ygwerin@gmail.com> wrote:

I am looking for a Mac for my Linotype scanner.
I had a G3 Beige desktop which worked great,
I had to get shot of it hence the need for a replacement.
I've heard that the latter Blue G3 Macs were more reliable, except they didn't have SCSI built in, and I'd need an SCSI card for it which would probably be harder to locate.

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Re: G3 Beige [message #355191 is a reply to message #355189] Sun, 26 November 2017 19:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Will an Adaptec SCS controller with a PC BIOS or one without a BIOS work in a Mac for peripherals used after booting? Or do you always need one with the Mac specific BIOS? Those allow booting from the SCSI controller.

On Sunday, November 26, 2017, 9:01:27 AM MST, <theonetruestickman@gmail.com> wrote:

SCSI cards are actually pretty available via eBay and other sources, so don't let that discourage you from a B&W without a SCSI card. Look for Adaptec 2930 or 2940 cards, depending which external physical plug you need to connect the scanner.


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Re: G3 Beige [message #355192 is a reply to message #355191] Sun, 26 November 2017 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, the BIOS is irrelevant for non-boot use.

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Re: G3 Beige [message #355193 is a reply to message #355192] Sun, 26 November 2017 19:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What can you do with a peripheral and no OS???

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Re: G3 Beige [message #355194 is a reply to message #355193] Sun, 26 November 2017 19:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You load the OS from a drive not connected to the SCSI card. The latter is
just for attaching the peripheral the OP requires.

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Re: G3 Beige [message #355195 is a reply to message #355194] Sun, 26 November 2017 20:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wonder if it's possible to access the BIOS in a PC SCSI controller when it's installed in a Mac? If so, that would make it possible to do low level formatting with a Mac. Sometimes on a Mac a SCSI drive can get things fouled up to where it can't be formatted on a Mac. Running a low level format with a good, bootable, SCSI controller in a PC will wipe it clean of any soft problems.
That's also step 1 to prepare a non-Apple drive to be used on a Mac without 3rd party or hacked Apple utilities.Step 2 is boot with a floppy or USB stick that has been made from a 95b, 98, or 98SE emergency boot disk image. Run FDISK, select the option for large drives if it's going to be HFS Extended. Create one primary partion, Step 3. Reboot then FORMAT using the /Q option for a quick format.Step 4. Connect the drive to the Mac and boot with extensions disabled so no PC or DOS support loads. You'll get a prompt to erase the drive. YES, you want that. In a few seconds the FAT16 drive will be converted to HFS Standard, FAT32 will become HFS Extended.

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You load the OS from a drive not connected to the SCSI card.  The latter is just for attaching the peripheral the OP requires.

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Re: G3 Beige [message #355196 is a reply to message #355195] Sun, 26 November 2017 20:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, but there's no need. Boot into Linux using a LiveCD, and use dd to
erase the first few megabytes of the drive, where the partition table and
superblock of any previous filesystem live.

There might be Mac specific utility CDs which can do something similar with
a friendly GUI.

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Re: G3 Beige [message #355199 is a reply to message #355188] Mon, 27 November 2017 09:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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*Thanks for all the comments, but I am saying that if I got a Blue G3 Mac I
will need an SCSI Card.*

*I do not have any G3 Mac at the moment. *


*I am looking to acquire one.*
On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 1:34:29 AM UTC, Barry Cross wrote:
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> I am looking for a Mac for my Linotype scanner.
> I had a G3 Beige desktop which worked great,
> I had to get shot of it hence the need for a replacement.
> I've heard that the latter Blue G3 Macs were more reliable, except they
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> probably be harder to locate.

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Re: G3 Beige [message #358144 is a reply to message #355199] Thu, 07 December 2017 16:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As for your machine decision I'd recommend against the B+W or even the first G4 of the similar design. Go for the latest which is compatible with your scanner software. Here I had some experience with an Agfa scanner which original software compatible with OS 8 but not 9 - however they came out with a new software for OS 9 which completely redesigned and although very different I found it produced very nice results. Actually I ran it with a G3 PowerBook which had built in scsi and saved direct to a OS X server via built in Ethernet. I was just looking at the old scans again and they are great quality compared to the newer scanner I have now (which has an OS 9 software and also OS X 10.9)

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Re: G3 Beige [message #367736 is a reply to message #355188] Tue, 15 May 2018 20:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A good idea would be to do what I did for the Centris 660av and just look
around eBay for a bit. Unfortunately most of the computers being sold are
broken or only power tested (PLEASE STOP IT'S ANNOYING), but eventually
you'll find a vintage mac that works fully and is compatible with SCSI.

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Re: G3 Beige [message #367826 is a reply to message #367736] Wed, 16 May 2018 14:51 Go to previous message
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Contact me off thread. I may have what you are looking for.

M Black

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A good idea would be to do what I did for the Centris 660av and just look around eBay for a bit. Unfortunately most of the computers being sold are broken or only power tested (PLEASE STOP IT'S ANNOYING), but eventually you'll find a vintage mac that works fully and is compatible with SCSI.

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