Message-ID: <1779@drutx.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 15-Jan-85 18:39:29 EST
Article-I.D.: drutx.1779
Posted: Tue Jan 15 18:39:29 1985
Date-Received: Wed, 16-Jan-85 05:33:41 EST
Organization: AT&T Information Systems Laboratories, Denver
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Ok folks, I really was glad to see the mail I got from people
thanking me for posting some software for Macs last weekend.
But I get really annoyed at mail from these self-appointed
net administrators, like these:


  >From: ihnp4!utah-cs!swt@utah-gr.UTAH-CS.ARPA (Spencer W. Thomas)
  >To: ihnp4!drutx!trb
  >Subject: Re: Animated Christmas Card (late, but worth posting!)
  >Newsgroups: net.micro.mac
  >
  >A number of the MAC programs you posted appeared on this list no longer
  >than a month ago.  Pretty short time for a reposting.
  >
  >=Spencer
  >({ihnp4,decvax}!utah-cs!thomas, thomas@utah-cs.ARPA)
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Look Spencer, not every site gets all the news, and we didn't even
get net.micro.mac until two weeks ago!  And on top of that, many thanked
me for these postings - they obviously didn't have them.  I received some
stupid mail like yours a week ago.  Pretty short time for getting
more...

And now, to another self-appointed net.administrator:
---
  >
  >From: ihnp4!wucs!plus5!hokey
  >Subject: Re: Disk Drive Test utility program
  >
  >Please post sources to a sources newsgroup!  Thanks!
  >
  >Hokey
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Please post your mail to /dev/null where it will be appreciated! Thanks!

So there!

Tom Buckley
AT&T Information Systems
(303) 538-3442
ihnp4!drutx!trb

Message-ID: <556@plus5.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 16-Jan-85 23:38:41 EST
Article-I.D.: plus5.556
Posted: Wed Jan 16 23:38:41 1985
Date-Received: Thu, 17-Jan-85 14:03:28 EST
References: <1779@drutx.UUCP>
Organization: Plus Five Computer Services, St. Louis
Lines: 27

 >  And now, to another self-appointed net.administrator:
 >  ---
 >> 
 >> From: ihnp4!wucs!plus5!hokey
 >> Subject: Re: Disk Drive Test utility program
 >> 
 >> Please post sources to a sources newsgroup!  Thanks!
 >> 
 >> Hokey
 >  ------------------------------------------------------------------
 >  Please post your mail to /dev/null where it will be appreciated! Thanks!
 >  
 >  So there!

I would apologize for not thanking you for posting the sources, but I regret
to say I don't really feel like it anymore.  My request was sent primarily
because there are *many* sites on the net which like to archive sources so
people can find them without requesting a resubmission from anybody.

By not posting to a sources newsgroup, you undermine a mechanism specifically
designed to assist the very same people you attempt to reach via a single
posting to a non-sources newsgroup.

Is it that hard to add "net.sources" to the Newsgroups: list?
-- 
Hokey           ..ihnp4!plus5!hokey
		  314-725-9492

Message-ID: <1083@hcrvx1.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 17-Jan-85 11:35:07 EST
Article-I.D.: hcrvx1.1083
Posted: Thu Jan 17 11:35:07 1985
Date-Received: Fri, 18-Jan-85 02:09:04 EST
References: <1779@drutx.UUCP>
Organization: Human Computing Resources, Toronto
Lines: 14

Ah, another net person proudly flaunting their immaturity and rudeness.  It
is (I assure you) possible to disagree with something a person sends you
without ridiculing them in public.

I feel that an important feature of Usenet's continued success will have
to be the development of common courtesy.  Otherwise we will descend to the
level of a BBS for grade school students.

Yes, Tom Buckley, you can probably write me off as yet another self
appointed net busybody.

                              Tracy Tims    {linus,allegra,decvax}!watmath!...
   Human Computing Resources Corporation                     {ihnp4,utzoo}!...
 Toronto, Ontario, Canada.  416 922-1937                   ...hcr!hcrvx1!tracy

Message-ID: <2227@nsc.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 18-Jan-85 00:34:39 EST
Article-I.D.: nsc.2227
Posted: Fri Jan 18 00:34:39 1985
Date-Received: Sat, 19-Jan-85 00:12:59 EST
References: <1779@drutx.UUCP>
Reply-To: chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Chuqui Q. Koala)
Organization: The Warlocks Cave
Lines: 39
Summary: 

 > But I get really annoyed at mail from these self-appointed
 > net administrators, like these:
 > -----------------------------------------------------------------
 > Look Spencer, not every site gets all the news, and we didn't even
 > get net.micro.mac until two weeks ago!  And on top of that, many thanked
 > me for these postings - they obviously didn't have them.  I received some
 > stupid mail like yours a week ago.  Pretty short time for getting
 > more...
 > 
 > And now, to another self-appointed net.administrator:
 > Please post your mail to /dev/null where it will be appreciated! Thanks!

Rather than attempt to restate what I just stated in net.news, please take
an indirect pointer to my comments about Stargate over there. The above is
a great example of the mindless flaming I was talking about.

It is also a great reason for us to quit bickering and get the damned mac
sources topic created. I don't give a damn whether it is mod.sources.mac or
net.sources.mac, although if we can ever agree on moderation I'll moderate
the damn thing. I'm trying to find time to set up an archive for usenet so
that continuing repostings won't be neccessary, but if people are going to
randomly bitch at attempts at constructive comments, I'm not sure I'll
bother. I've also talked to someone at Apple about coordinating getting the
software they post to Compuserve also onto usenet, and acting as an archive
for that stuff, too. Why, at this moment in time, I don't really know. 

Usenet, in case you hadn't noticed, survives only on the continued
cooperation of the component parts. Yelling at each other isn't
cooperation. It also doesn't accomplish anything. Can we try to lower the
tones of our voices long enough to talk about the things that need to be
talked about and get something done once in a while?

the fascist pig.
-- 
From the ministry of silly talks:		Chuq Von Rospach
{allegra,cbosgd,decwrl,hplabs,ihnp4,seismo}!nsc!chuqui  nsc!chuqui@decwrl.ARPA

Do not wait until tomorrow to tell someone you care. Tomorrow doesn't
always come.

Message-ID: <538@plus5.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 29-Jan-85 18:15:35 EST
Article-I.D.: plus5.538
Posted: Tue Jan 29 18:15:35 1985
Date-Received: Thu, 31-Jan-85 01:46:17 EST
References: <1779@drutx.UUCP>
Organization: Plus Five Computer Services, St. Louis
Lines: 38

 >  And now, to another self-appointed net.administrator:
 >  ---
 >> 
 >> From: ihnp4!wucs!plus5!hokey
 >> Subject: Re: Disk Drive Test utility program
 >> 
 >> Please post sources to a sources newsgroup!  Thanks!
 >> 
 >> Hokey
 >  ------------------------------------------------------------------
 >  Please post your mail to /dev/null where it will be appreciated! Thanks!
 >  
 >  So there!
 >  
 >  Tom Buckley
 >  AT&T Information Systems
 >  (303) 538-3442
 >  ihnp4!drutx!trb

Tom,

	We really do appreciate your source postings, honest.  I think it
is really swell when my cat has kittens.  I don't much care for it when
my cat has kittens on my kitchen table as opposed to the nice place in the
basement where everything is all ready for kitten production.

	We archive net.sources.mac, and we don't archive net.micro.mac.  We
would like to, but disk resources are low.  I assume that you posted the
material so that people might profit from it;  in the same spirit, please
post sources to net.sources.mac where people expect them.

Cheers,
eric
-- 
eric
ihnp4!wucs!gang!eric

$100/hr:  Consider it standard.

Message-ID: <607@amdcad.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 31-Jan-85 21:20:52 EST
Article-I.D.: amdcad.607
Posted: Thu Jan 31 21:20:52 1985
Date-Received: Fri, 1-Feb-85 21:53:56 EST
References: <1779@drutx.UUCP> <538@plus5.UUCP>
Reply-To: jimb@amdcad.UUCP (Jim Budler)
Organization: AMDCAD, Sunnyvale, CA
Lines: 37
Summary: 

In article <538@plus5.UUCP> eric@plus5.UUCP (Eric W. Kiebler) writes:
 > Tom,
 > 
 > 	We really do appreciate your source postings, honest.  I think it
 > is really swell when my cat has kittens.  I don't much care for it when
 > my cat has kittens on my kitchen table as opposed to the nice place in the
 > basement where everything is all ready for kitten production.
 > 
 > 	We archive net.sources.mac, and we don't archive net.micro.mac.  We
 > would like to, but disk resources are low.  I assume that you posted the
 > material so that people might profit from it;  in the same spirit, please
 > post sources to net.sources.mac where people expect them.

Not disagree with your intent, but this round of flaming was a long time
ago and two changes have occured.  

	1)	net.sources.mac came into existence AFTER the postings.
	(Maybe even because of them).

	2)	Tom already apologized.

I do, however want to say that only 6 or 7 months ago the flaming was ALL
in the other direction when people were posting uuencoded binaries to
net.sources, and everyone told them to send them to individual groups.

Specifically, binaries for the IBM P.C. were directed to net.micro.pc and
tohexes for the mac to net.micro.mac.  Now the net.micro people want it
to go the other way.


-- 
 Jim Budler
 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
 (408) 982-6547
 UUCPnet: {ucbvax,decwrl,ihnp4,allegra,intelca}!amd!jimb
 Compuserve:	72415,1200
 The Source:	STW265

Message-ID: <559@plus5.UUCP>
Date: Sat, 2-Feb-85 21:22:32 EST
Article-I.D.: plus5.559
Posted: Sat Feb  2 21:22:32 1985
Date-Received: Sun, 3-Feb-85 11:11:19 EST
References: <1779@drutx.UUCP> <538@plus5.UUCP> <607@amdcad.UUCP>
Organization: Plus Five Computer Services, St. Louis
Lines: 11

Sorry!  News propogates in mysterious ways.  I responded before looking
at the date. Mea culpa, mea culpa.  (Did I really flame him?  Oops.)

Thanks for the sources, Tom!

eric
-- 
	..!ihnp4!wucs!gang!eric

"Lo!  Men have become the tool of their tools."
			-- Thoreau