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Re: A Modest Proposal [message #79285] Sun, 02 June 2013 23:19 Go to next message
yosh is currently offline  yosh
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Message-ID: <383@hou2e.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 13-Dec-84 11:41:07 EST
Article-I.D.: hou2e.383
Posted: Thu Dec 13 11:41:07 1984
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 >  From: schu@drutx.UUCP (SchulteSM)
 >  Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
 > 
 > 
 >  
 >  q
 >  
 >  
 >  w
 >  .
 >  dfslkfl;
 >  
 >  
 >  lkfdg
 >  ;lfdkg;lka;dlgk
 >  
 >  
 >  
 >  ZZ
 >  agkfjlkadfgkj
 >  
 > 

Yes, I agree. This is definately a proposal worth considering.


					Dave Bloom
					Holmdel, NJ 
Re: A Modest Proposal [message #79286 is a reply to message #79285] Sun, 02 June 2013 23:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
biep is currently offline  biep
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Message-ID: <393@klipper.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 17-Dec-84 17:23:59 EST
Article-I.D.: klipper.393
Posted: Mon Dec 17 17:23:59 1984
Date-Received: Wed, 19-Dec-84 02:19:30 EST
References: <2481@ucla-cs.ARPA> <1605@drutx.UUCP> <383@hou2e.UUCP>
Reply-To: biep@klipper.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: VU Informatica, Amsterdam
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In article <383@hou2e.UUCP> yosh@hou2e.UUCP (M.CHING) writes:
 >>  From: schu@drutx.UUCP (SchulteSM)
 >>  Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
 >> 
 >> 
 >>  
 >>  q
 >>  
 >>  
 >>  w
 >>  .
 >>  dfslkfl;
 >>  
 >>  
 >>  lkfdg
 >>  ;lfdkg;lka;dlgk
 >>  
 >>  
 >>  
 >>  ZZ
 >>  agkfjlkadfgkj
 >>  
 >> 
 > 
 > Yes, I agree. This is definately a proposal worth considering.
 > 
 > 
 > 					Dave Bloom
 > 					Holmdel, NJ 

No, no, no!!!
I know, it sounds nice, but believe me, it just doesn't work. 
Someone over here brought this up on our local network, and we've
been discussing it over and again, and indeed, it sounds appealing,
but when you work out the details you'll find lots of inconsistencies
and problems. Don't try to reinvent the wheel, there are already
enough other proposals on this net which ask for our attention.
-- 

							  Biep.
	{seismo|decvax|philabs}!mcvax!vu44!botter!klipper!biep

I utterly disagree with  everything  you are saying,  but I 
am prepared to fight to the death for your right to say it.
							--Voltaire
Re: A Modest Proposal [message #79287 is a reply to message #79285] Sun, 02 June 2013 23:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
egs is currently offline  egs
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Date: Tue, 18-Dec-84 19:28:29 EST
Article-I.D.: epsilon.24
Posted: Tue Dec 18 19:28:29 1984
Date-Received: Wed, 19-Dec-84 03:04:49 EST
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In article <393@klipper.UUCP> biep writes:
 >>>  From: schu@drutx.UUCP (SchulteSM)
 >>>  Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>>  
 >>>  q
 >>>  
 >>>  
 >>>  w
 >>>  .
 >>>  dfslkfl;
 >>>  
 >>>  
 >>>  lkfdg
 >>>  ;lfdkg;lka;dlgk
 >>>  
 >>>  
 >>>  
 >>>  ZZ
 >>>  agkfjlkadfgkj
 >>>  
 >>> 
 >> 
 >> Yes, I agree. This is definately a proposal worth considering.
 >> 
 > 
 > No, no, no!!!
 > I know, it sounds nice, but believe me, it just doesn't work. 
 > Someone over here brought this up on our local network, and we've
 > been discussing it over and again, and indeed, it sounds appealing,
 > but when you work out the details you'll find lots of inconsistencies
 > and problems. Don't try to reinvent the wheel, there are already
 > enough other proposals on this net which ask for our attention.
 > 
Well, we've actually done it here, and it works out just fine. Of course,
we had to make certain minor changes like "DfXlkfl;:" instead of
"dfslkfl;" as was indicated in the original article. You'll note that
otherwise a contradiction arises when "ZZ" is implemented.

						Ed Sheppard
						Bell Communications Research
Re: A Modest Proposal [message #79288 is a reply to message #79285] Sun, 02 June 2013 23:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
geoffs is currently offline  geoffs
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Message-ID: <6719@brl-tgr.ARPA>
Date: Fri, 21-Dec-84 10:46:18 EST
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Posted: Fri Dec 21 10:46:18 1984
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References: <2481@ucla-cs.ARPA> <1605@drutx.UUCP> <383@hou2e.UUCP> <393@klipper.UUCP> <24@epsilon.UUCP>
Reply-To: geoffs@brl-tgr.ARPA (Geoffrey Sauerborn (TANK) )
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Summary: 

In article <24@epsilon.UUCP> you write:
 > In article <393@klipper.UUCP> biep writes:
 >>>>  From: schu@drutx.UUCP (SchulteSM)
 >>>>  Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>  
 >>>>  q
 >>>>  
 >>>>  
 >>>>  w
 >>>>  .
 >>>>  dfslkfl;
 >>>>  
 >>>>  
 >>>>  lkfdg
 >>>>  ;lfdkg;lka;dlgk
 >>>>  
 >>>>  
 >>>>  
 >>>>  ZZ
 >>>>  agkfjlkadfgkj
 >>>>  
 >>>> 
 >>> 
 >>> Yes, I agree. This is definately a proposal worth considering.
 >>> 
 >> 
 >> No, no, no!!!
 >> I know, it sounds nice, but believe me, it just doesn't work. 
 >> Someone over here brought this up on our local network, and we've
 >> been discussing it over and again, and indeed, it sounds appealing,
 >> but when you work out the details you'll find lots of inconsistencies
 >> and problems. Don't try to reinvent the wheel, there are already
 >> enough other proposals on this net which ask for our attention.
 >> 
 > Well, we've actually done it here, and it works out just fine. Of course,
 > we had to make certain minor changes like "DfXlkfl;:" instead of
 > "dfslkfl;" as was indicated in the original article. You'll note that
 > otherwise a contradiction arises when "ZZ" is implemented.
 > 
 > 						Ed Sheppard
 > 						Bell Communications Research


	Alright! I'm sick of this! Why is it that every time someone
puts a good piece into public domain, somebody has to good and change
the source! The next thing to happen it some BO-ZO will try to use
this changed version without taking the time to read the documentation -
and naturally the FOOL starts flaming to the original poster!!!!

	
                                         Geoff Sauerborn
Re: A Modest Proposal [message #79289 is a reply to message #79285] Sun, 02 June 2013 23:19 Go to previous message
lffast is currently offline  lffast
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Date: Fri, 28-Dec-84 13:22:21 EST
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Posted: Fri Dec 28 13:22:21 1984
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Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario
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 >  In article <24@epsilon.UUCP> you write:
 >> In article <393@klipper.UUCP> biep writes:
 >>>> > From: schu@drutx.UUCP (SchulteSM)
 >>>> > Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
 >>>> >
 >>>> >
 >>>> > 
 >>>> > q
 >>>> > 
 >>>> > 
 >>>> > w
 >>>> > .
 >>>> > dfslkfl;
 >>>> > 
 >>>> > 
 >>>> > lkfdg
 >>>> > ;lfdkg;lka;dlgk
 >>>> > 
 >>>> > 
 >>>> > 
 >>>> > ZZ
 >>>> > agkfjlkadfgkj
 >>>> > 
 >>>> >
 >>>> 
 >>>> Yes, I agree. This is definately a proposal worth considering.
 >>>> 
 >>> 
 >>> No, no, no!!!
 >>> I know, it sounds nice, but believe me, it just doesn't work. 
 >>> Someone over here brought this up on our local network, and we've
 >>> been discussing it over and again, and indeed, it sounds appealing,
 >>> but when you work out the details you'll find lots of inconsistencies
 >>> and problems. Don't try to reinvent the wheel, there are already
 >>> enough other proposals on this net which ask for our attention.
 >>> 
 >> Well, we've actually done it here, and it works out just fine. Of course,
 >> we had to make certain minor changes like "DfXlkfl;:" instead of
 >> "dfslkfl;" as was indicated in the original article. You'll note that
 >> otherwise a contradiction arises when "ZZ" is implemented.
 >> 
 >> 						Ed Sheppard
 >> 						Bell Communications Research
 >  
 >  
 >  	Alright! I'm sick of this! Why is it that every time someone
 >  puts a good piece into public domain, somebody has to good and change
 >  the source! The next thing to happen it some BO-ZO will try to use
 >  this changed version without taking the time to read the documentation -
 >  and naturally the FOOL starts flaming to the original poster!!!!
 >  
 >  	
 >                                           Geoff Sauerborn

This really belongs in net.sources.     Larry Fast
Re: A Modest Proposal [message #79290 is a reply to message #79285] Sun, 02 June 2013 23:19 Go to previous message
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Date: Wed, 2-Jan-85 15:57:13 EST
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Posted: Wed Jan  2 15:57:13 1985
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In article <6719@brl-tgr.ARPA>,
	geoffs@brl-tgr.ARPA (Geoffrey Sauerborn (TANK) ) writes:
 > In article <24@epsilon.UUCP> you write:
 >> In article <393@klipper.UUCP> biep writes:
 >>>> > From: schu@drutx.UUCP (SchulteSM)
 >>>> > Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
 >>>> >
 >>>> >
 >>>> > 
 >>>> > q
 >>>> > 
 >>>> > 
 >>>> > w
 >>>> > .
 >>>> > dfslkfl;
 >>>> > 
 >>>> > 
 >>>> > lkfdg
 >>>> > ;lfdkg;lka;dlgk
 >>>> > 
 >>>> > 
 >>>> > 
 >>>> > ZZ
 >>>> > agkfjlkadfgkj
 >>>> > 
 >>>> >
 >>>> 
 >>>> Yes, I agree. This is definately a proposal worth considering.
 >>>> 
 >>> 
 >>> No, no, no!!!
 >>> I know, it sounds nice, but believe me, it just doesn't work. 
 >>> Someone over here brought this up on our local network, and we've
 >>> been discussing it over and again, and indeed, it sounds appealing,
 >>> but when you work out the details you'll find lots of inconsistencies
 >>> and problems. Don't try to reinvent the wheel, there are already
 >>> enough other proposals on this net which ask for our attention.
 >>> 
 >> Well, we've actually done it here, and it works out just fine. Of course,
 >> we had to make certain minor changes like "DfXlkfl;:" instead of
 >> "dfslkfl;" as was indicated in the original article. You'll note that
 >> otherwise a contradiction arises when "ZZ" is implemented.
 >> 
 >> 						Ed Sheppard
 >> 						Bell Communications Research
 > 
 > 
 > 	Alright! I'm sick of this! Why is it that every time someone
 > puts a good piece into public domain, somebody has to good and change
 > the source! The next thing to happen it some BO-ZO will try to use
 > this changed version without taking the time to read the documentation -
 > and naturally the FOOL starts flaming to the original poster!!!!
 > 
 > 	
 >                                          Geoff Sauerborn

	You all don't seem to get the point. Indeed, Ed, it is possible
to adapt the thing to your local network, when all machines are compa-
tible, none is running notesfiles, all are little-endian, and at least
some of them are not feeding news to decvax, mcvax or purdue (and per-
haps others, I've not yet got time to find out), and some other little
things. *But not all sites of USENET do!!!* And what is happening then
is that everybody starts making his local patches, and we end up even
worse than we started. The whole mistake is due to the starting "q",
which supposes a local "edsgr w534cb67835", since otherwise indeed "ZZ"
goes wrong in boundary cases.
	I must say I do not yet completely understand Ed's patch, it
occurs to me that this only works because of some local changes to the
rot13 algorithm. That can hardly be called "portable", can it?
	Geoff, I think your argument goes wrong at the word "good".
	I would say: quit the idea, the gains for sf-movie-lovers do
not outweigh the burden for the rest of us.
-- 

							  Biep.
	{seismo|decvax|philabs}!mcvax!vu44!botter!klipper!biep

I utterly disagree with  everything  you are saying,  but I 
am prepared to fight to the death for your right to say it.
							--Voltaire

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