| Re: Vladimir Putin wins Nobel Peace Prize (Was: Re: Retro-computing Museum Destroyed in Ukraine) [message #414149 is a reply to message #414131] |
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scott
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Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>
>>> Maybe better for one thing than another. Groups that are genetically tall
>>> and long-legged are better at basketball and running, for example.
>>
>> Is that really true? Or are you only looking at the exceptional "tall
>> and long-legged"? I sucked at basketball, and I'm taller than Steph
>> Curry.
>>
>
> Not entirely, but short basketball players have a disadvantage vs. tall
> ones. Natural talent and hard work can overcome some of it, but given two
> players of equal talent I’d put my money on the taller one.
I dunno - Steph (6'3") and Jordan Poole (6'4") make most of those
taller players look silly quite often. Jokic vs Curry and I'd take
Curry every time.
> Likewise given
> two football players of roughly equal talent, I’d put my money on the
> 300-pounder and not the 200-pounder.
Quarterbacks, place kickers and punters?
Generalities often aren't.
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| Re: Vladimir Putin wins Nobel Peace Prize (Was: Re: Retro-computing Museum Destroyed in Ukraine) [message #414150 is a reply to message #414126] |
Fri, 22 April 2022 11:22 |
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On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 4:26:24 PM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> If there _were_ a real difference in IQ due to race, _that_ would be a big
>> problem, not because being smarter is _assumed_ to be better - it _is_
>> better - but because the reason horses aren't allowed to vote is because
>> horses aren't as smart as people.
> Whether or not there are any real genetic differences in IQ (and people who
> have tried to find out have been crucified) this is too simplistic.
I should have clarified. Obviously, there are no differences in IQ between the
races large enough to justify treating the members of any race as if they were
just animals. That, in itself, doesn't mean slight differences can't exist.
But if they did exist, and were proven to do so, it would still cause a problem
because then it would make it harder to argue that bigotry isn't valid. (Unless
the differences are in the "wrong" direction, of course.)
John Savard
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| Re: Vladimir Putin wins Nobel Peace Prize (Was: Re: Retro-computing Museum Destroyed in Ukraine) [message #414151 is a reply to message #414121] |
Fri, 22 April 2022 11:41 |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:44:31 +0100, Vir Campestris
<vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 21/04/2022 21:25, Quadibloc wrote:
>> I think that it's difficult to discuss "real differences of racial origin" for
>> other reasons.
>> It's true that of two skin colors that are not the same, one_is_ better for
>> avoiding sunburn. But the other is better for getting vitamin D naturally
>> from being out in the sun.
>
> There's quite a lot of evidence now that early farmers suffered from
> dietary problems. They were shorter than the hunter gatherers that
> preceded them. And there's also evidence from people like Cheddar Man
> that the hunter-gatherers were quite dark. Whiteness is a response to
> poor farming techniques.
And the further north a person lives, the skin lightens over
generations so Vitamin D can be produced via sunlight.
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| Re: Vladimir Putin wins Nobel Peace Prize (Was: Re: Retro-computing Museum Destroyed in Ukraine) [message #414152 is a reply to message #414150] |
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Originally posted by: maus
On 2022-04-22, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 4:26:24 PM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:
>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>> If there _were_ a real difference in IQ due to race, _that_ would be a big
>>> problem, not because being smarter is _assumed_ to be better - it _is_
>>> better - but because the reason horses aren't allowed to vote is because
>>> horses aren't as smart as people.
>
>> Whether or not there are any real genetic differences in IQ (and people who
>> have tried to find out have been crucified) this is too simplistic.
>
> I should have clarified. Obviously, there are no differences in IQ between the
> races large enough to justify treating the members of any race as if they were
> just animals. That, in itself, doesn't mean slight differences can't exist.
I would think that there are massive differences in social conditions
between peoples, for instance, Jewish social groups have an affinity to
learning that aids them in life, where Hottentots ( Khoikhoi),do not, which
impairs them. That is something that can be repaired easily.
The idea of Eugenics, arose with the rise in Racism after the 1880's or
so. It is stupid and cruel.
BTW, when I was younger, I was mislead on the idea of IQ, and attempted
to join Mensa, and succeeded. Then I realised that I had joined a group
that would take money to tell you you were smarter than most others,
which logically actually showed that you were stupider.
>
> But if they did exist, and were proven to do so, it would still cause a problem
> because then it would make it harder to argue that bigotry isn't valid. (Unless
> the differences are in the "wrong" direction, of course.)
>
> John Savard
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| Re: Vladimir Putin wins Nobel Peace Prize (Was: Re: Retro-computing Museum Destroyed in Ukraine) [message #414155 is a reply to message #414152] |
Fri, 22 April 2022 15:23 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2022-04-22, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> I would think that there are massive differences in social conditions
> between peoples, for instance, Jewish social groups have an affinity to
> learning that aids them in life, where Hottentots ( Khoikhoi),do not,
> which impairs them. That is something that can be repaired easily.
Are you sure? Given the modern trend toward "de-skilling",
we seem to be moving in the opposite direction.
> BTW, when I was younger, I was mislead on the idea of IQ, and attempted
> to join Mensa, and succeeded. Then I realised that I had joined a group
> that would take money to tell you you were smarter than most others,
> which logically actually showed that you were stupider.
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.
-- Groucho Marx
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| Re: Vladimir Putin wins Nobel Peace Prize (Was: Re: Retro-computing Museum Destroyed in Ukraine) [message #414157 is a reply to message #414126] |
Fri, 22 April 2022 15:23 |
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On 2022-04-21, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> The fact that humans have higher intelligence than other species of animals
>> is the *reason why* humans, and only humans, are recognized as persons
>> with rights.
>
> This is changing. Apes, elephants, dolphins, whales, and octopi are
> probably about as intelligent as many people, or at least as intelligent as
> people on the right of the curve. This doesn’t mean that we give them the
> franchise, but it does, of at least should, give them rights.
I read an article about this yesterday. Maybe someday the list of species to
which we give these rights will someday be expanded to include _Homo sapiens_.
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| Re: Vladimir Putin wins Nobel Peace Prize (Was: Re: Retro-computing Museum Destroyed in Ukraine) [message #414159 is a reply to message #414136] |
Fri, 22 April 2022 15:23 |
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On 2022-04-22, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> Now to speculation - if there are any racially linked intellectual
> differences they won't be so crude as "these people are incredibly
> intelligent and these ones are stupid" they will be more along the lines of
> "these people tend to have better than average spatial awareness because
> they ..." or even more subtle and specific.
And even there we come back to the nature vs. nurture argument.
With the spread of GPS, people's spatial awareness is atrophying.
I think I read of a study that suggested the area in our brains
that deals with spatial relationships is actually shrinking.
> I have a higher measured IQ than pretty much everyone around
> me but that doesn't make be better except at solving some kinds of puzzles -
> for example I'm poor at languages while I recall a school friend with a much
> lower measured IQ who was fluent in nine languages at the age of sixteen.
I do really well with numbers, music, and many spatial problems -
but I'm totally stumped by politics (and happy to be so).
If you want an excuse to discriminate against a group, there
all sorts of criteria you can pick to back up your arguments.
(There are just as many criteria that will refute those arguments,
though, and if you want to win you just have to shout them down.)
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| Re: Vladimir Putin wins Nobel Peace Prize [message #414160 is a reply to message #414147] |
Fri, 22 April 2022 15:26 |
Mike Spencer
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Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> writes:
> On Fr 22 Apr 2022 at 08:43, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 07:49:47 +0200
>> Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> wrote:
>>
>>> On Do 21 Apr 2022 at 22:39, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The core problem is the common idea that if two things are
>>>> different then one must necessarily be better than the other - which is
>>>> brain dead stupid and nearly universal at a gut level.
>>>
>>> Somehow most people do not grok partial orders.
>>> They think, if there is an order, it is always total (linear).
>>
>> Added to that they tend to think that all differences must be
>> ordered, and I think that's taught!
>>
>> "What's your favorite colour ?" - I was five when that question
>> stumped me (so I picked black at random at got laughed at). It took
>> many years to fully understand why it stumped me and I still don't
>> understand why it doesn't stump *everybody* the same way. I
>> sometimes suspect that it does stump everybody but they pick
>> something at random that doesn't get laughed at and stick with it
>> so that it eventually becomes true and they're becoming
>> indoctrinated to the idea that there is always a best/favourite/...
>
> You are right. In a partial order you can have arbitrarily many
> maximal elements (the best). And I certainly perceive colours as a
> partial order - so there is no single best one.
Is this the place to mention Warren McCulloch's "A Heterarchy of Values
Determined by the Topology of Nervous Nets"?
https://vordenker.de/ggphilosophy/mcculloch_heterarchy.pdf
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| Re: Vladimir Putin wins Nobel Peace Prize (Was: Re: Retro-computing Museum Destroyed in Ukraine) [message #414161 is a reply to message #414152] |
Fri, 22 April 2022 16:00 |
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On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 10:14:02 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
> BTW, when I was younger, I was mislead on the idea of IQ, and attempted
> to join Mensa, and succeeded. Then I realised that I had joined a group
> that would take money to tell you you were smarter than most others,
> which logically actually showed that you were stupider.
That does not _necessarily_ follow. After all, any group has expenses,
if they have offices and postage and things like that. I remember hearing
about Mensa back in the early 60s, but it does not seem to have been a
success story.
John Savard
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| Re: Vladimir Putin wins Nobel Peace Prize (Was: Re: Retro-computing Museum Destroyed in Ukraine) [message #414162 is a reply to message #414158] |
Fri, 22 April 2022 16:03 |
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On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 1:23:29 PM UTC-6, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> It all comes back to the nature vs. nurture argument.
> Those who argue it's all one and none of the other are
> missing the point.
Oh, I think that genetics plays a very important role in
determining an individual's potential intelligence. But that,
in itself, doesn't say anything about how differentiated that
genetic endowment might be between genetically distinct
ethnic groups.
John Savard
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| Re: Vladimir Putin wins Nobel Peace Prize (Was: Re: Retro-computing Museum Destroyed in Ukraine) [message #414164 is a reply to message #414152] |
Fri, 22 April 2022 16:38 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On 22 Apr 2022 16:13:59 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> On 2022-04-22, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 4:26:24 PM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:
>>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>> If there _were_ a real difference in IQ due to race, _that_ would be a big
>>>> problem, not because being smarter is _assumed_ to be better - it _is_
>>>> better - but because the reason horses aren't allowed to vote is because
>>>> horses aren't as smart as people.
>>
>>> Whether or not there are any real genetic differences in IQ (and people who
>>> have tried to find out have been crucified) this is too simplistic.
>>
>> I should have clarified. Obviously, there are no differences in IQ between the
>> races large enough to justify treating the members of any race as if they were
>> just animals. That, in itself, doesn't mean slight differences can't exist.
>
> I would think that there are massive differences in social conditions
> between peoples, for instance, Jewish social groups have an affinity to
> learning that aids them in life, where Hottentots ( Khoikhoi),do not, which
> impairs them. That is something that can be repaired easily.
Don't be too sure about that. When people are bound and determined to
resist your efforts to help them there's not really much you can do.
> The idea of Eugenics, arose with the rise in Racism after the 1880's or
> so. It is stupid and cruel.
>
> BTW, when I was younger, I was mislead on the idea of IQ, and attempted
> to join Mensa, and succeeded. Then I realised that I had joined a group
> that would take money to tell you you were smarter than most others,
> which logically actually showed that you were stupider.
>
>>
>> But if they did exist, and were proven to do so, it would still cause a problem
>> because then it would make it harder to argue that bigotry isn't valid. (Unless
>> the differences are in the "wrong" direction, of course.)
>>
>> John Savard
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| Re: Vladimir Putin wins Nobel Peace Prize (Was: Re: Retro-computing Museum Destroyed in Ukraine) [message #414165 is a reply to message #414161] |
Fri, 22 April 2022 16:44 |
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke
On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 13:00:40 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 10:14:02 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>
>> BTW, when I was younger, I was mislead on the idea of IQ, and attempted
>> to join Mensa, and succeeded. Then I realised that I had joined a group
>> that would take money to tell you you were smarter than most others,
>> which logically actually showed that you were stupider.
>
> That does not _necessarily_ follow. After all, any group has expenses,
> if they have offices and postage and things like that. I remember hearing
> about Mensa back in the early 60s, but it does not seem to have been a
> success story.
They claim to have 134,000 members in more than 100 countries, so
perhaps rumors of their failure have been somewhat exaggerated.
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| Re: Vladimir Putin wins Nobel Peace Prize [message #414173 is a reply to message #414159] |
Sat, 23 April 2022 05:01 |
Andreas Eder
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On Fr 22 Apr 2022 at 19:23, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2022-04-22, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> Now to speculation - if there are any racially linked intellectual
>> differences they won't be so crude as "these people are incredibly
>> intelligent and these ones are stupid" they will be more along the lines of
>> "these people tend to have better than average spatial awareness because
>> they ..." or even more subtle and specific.
>
> And even there we come back to the nature vs. nurture argument.
> With the spread of GPS, people's spatial awareness is atrophying.
> I think I read of a study that suggested the area in our brains
> that deals with spatial relationships is actually shrinking.
>
>> I have a higher measured IQ than pretty much everyone around
>> me but that doesn't make be better except at solving some kinds of puzzles -
>> for example I'm poor at languages while I recall a school friend with a much
>> lower measured IQ who was fluent in nine languages at the age of sixteen.
>
> I do really well with numbers, music, and many spatial problems -
> but I'm totally stumped by politics (and happy to be so).
>
> If you want an excuse to discriminate against a group, there
> all sorts of criteria you can pick to back up your arguments.
> (There are just as many criteria that will refute those arguments,
> though, and if you want to win you just have to shout them down.)
“It was so much easier to blame it on Them.
It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us.
If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault.
If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us.
I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them.
No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them.
We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.”
― Terry Pratchett, Jingo
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| Re: Vladimir Putin wins Nobel Peace Prize [message #414178 is a reply to message #414173] |
Sat, 23 April 2022 16:14 |
Charlie Gibbs
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On 2022-04-23, Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> wrote:
> On Fr 22 Apr 2022 at 19:23, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>
>> If you want an excuse to discriminate against a group, there
>> all sorts of criteria you can pick to back up your arguments.
>> (There are just as many criteria that will refute those arguments,
>> though, and if you want to win you just have to shout them down.)
>
> “It was so much easier to blame it on Them.
> It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us.
> If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault.
> If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us.
> I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them.
> No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them.
> We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.”
> ― Terry Pratchett, Jingo
We have met the enemy and he is us.
-- Walt Kelly: Pogo
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| Re: Retro-computing Museum Destroyed in Ukraine [message #420441 is a reply to message #413793] |
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Originally posted by: A.T. Murray
On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:52:05 PM UTC-7, A.T. Murray wrote:
> President Biden wants the Russian butcher Putin to be gone. So be it.
> Leave Putin to Mentifex. Mentifex will get rid of Putin.
>
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Mentifex relays Wayne Madsen Report: Russia's collapse
June 24, 2023 -- > Russia's collapse: News that will likely go unreported by the cable news pack
6/24 -- Private jets, as well as the IL96-300 PU presidential aircraft used by Putin, have flown from Moscow to St. Petersburg.
6/24 -- Former Russian President and current deputy chair of the Russian National Security Council Dmitry Medvedev and his family have reportedly fled Moscow for St. Petersburg.
6/24 -- The aircraft used by Belarusian President Aleksandr Lukasheno has flown from Minsk to Bodrum, Turkiye, reportedly with Lukashenko's family on board.
6/24 -- President Biden is spending the weekend at Camp David, which is close to the Alternate National Military Command Center on the Maryland-Pennsylvania state line.
6/24 -- Sandbag bunkers being set up on streets in Moscow.
6/24 -- Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov has deployed his Chechen National Guard troops to Wagner-held Rostov-on-Don. Wagner forces have mined the highway between Rostov and Taganrog, one of the key supply hubs for Russian forces in Ukraine.
6/24 -- Reports from inside Russia that the Russian state administration functions of the Russian Federation are being transferred from Moscow to St. Petersburg.
6/24 -- Heavy fighting reported between Wagner forces and Russian military units loyal to Putin in the Voronezh region.
6/24 -- 71st National Guard Regiment "Storm Z" unit commander, who goes by the name of "Zeki," has pledged his unit's loyalty to Wagner forces.
6/24 -- Wagner recruiting billboards are being taken down in Moscow.
6/24 -- Street brawls in Rostov between pro- and anti-Putin civilians being shown on Russian TV.
6/24 -- A prisoner riot has broken out in Vodnik pre-trial detention center..
6/24 -- British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has called an emergency Cobra national security meeting.
6/24 -- Putin made hurried phone calls to Belarus President Lukashenko, Kazakhstan President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, Uzbekistan President Shavkat Mirziyoyev, and Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Erdogan pledged his full support for Putin. Tokayev told Putin that the events in Russia were an "internal" matter.
6/24 -- Russia watchers are looking for a repeat of the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union with constituent republics of the Russian Federation using the Russian uprising to declare their independence. All eyes are on Tatarstan, which is still upset with Putin for abrogating the last vestiges of its state autonomy.
6/24 -- Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin and Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin have been curiously silent and have not publicly rallied to Putin's support. Mishutin's plane was one of several belonging to Russian leaders that flew from Moscow to St. Petersburg.
6/24 -- Russian Deputy Prime Minister Denis Manturov, the richest person in the Russian government, excepting Putin, has reportedly fled Russia for Turkey.
6/24 -- Regular Russian Army units in Lipetsk have reportedly joined Wagner forces and are jointly en route to Moscow.
6/24 -- There are calls for mass protests in Moscow and St. Petersburg calling for an end to Russia's war against Ukraine and for Putin to step down.
6/24 -- Wagner forces have smashed through a barricade of dump truck placed on a highway to Moscow.
6/24 - Reports of Wagner forces in Syria and Africa flying to Russia to support the uprising against Putin.
6/24 -- The Kalinouski Regiment, a group of Belarusian soldiers fighting alongside Ukrainian forces against Russia, have announced plans to seize control of Minsk.
6/24 -- Russian Army machine gun emplacements are being set up along Moscow's Ring Road highway.
6/24 -- Russian civilians in Rostov are bringing food and water to Wagner troops in the city.
6/24 -- Russian army forces opened fire on a civilian car in Voronezh, killing the father and seriously wounding his wife and daughter.
6/24 -- Ukrainian forces have launched an offensive in the Kherson region.
6/24 -- Wagner forces have shot down 7 Russian military aircraft and helicopters in one day.
6/24 -- Polish President Andrzej Duda has summoned the National Security Bureau for an emergency meeting tonight. PM Morawiecki and Defense Minister Blaszczak will also attend. Poland is preparing for threats coming from instability in the Kaliningrad region and Belarus.
6/24 -- The Wagner Group convoy headed toward Moscow is led by its founder, the neo-Nazi commander Dmitry Utkin.
6/24 -- Lukashenko announces that Prigozhin has accepted Lukashenko's proposal to stop Wagner Group’s advance in Russia and start negotiations..
6/24 -- Major explosions at army bases in the Russian-occupied city of Urzuf, near Berdyansk, after a wave of Ukrainian missile strikes.
6/24 -- All flights out of Moscow have sold out.
6/24 -- There’s more and more theories pointing toward Prigozhin only being the face of a larger coup, which is supported by parts of the Army and the intelligence services. The goal is to remove Putin, withdraw from Ukraine and return to making business with the world.
6/24 -- Uganda will send soldiers to Moscow to defend Putin if need be, says Muhoozi Kainerugaba, the son of Uganda’s President.
6/24 -- Russian oligarch and Putin ally Arkady Rotenberg fled Moscow by plane to Baku, Azerbaijan.
6/24 -- Young Russian women fist-bumping Wagner fighters to say goodbye as they leave Rostov tonight. Crowds gathered along the streets and cheered as the Wagner soldiers shot their guns in the air. Note: Rostov-on-Don is the capital of the Don Cossacks, who don't consider themselves Russians.
6/24 -- Russian police have returned to Rostov after the Wagner Group’s departure tonight. The people aren’t happy to see them. They are blocking the streets and hurling insults at the policemen.
6/24 -- Russian special forces seized USD 48 million from the Wagner Group headquarters in St. Petersburg today.
6/24 -- The Wagner rank-and-file soldiers are furious with Prigozhin calling off the Battle of Moscow.
6/24 -- The authorities of Abkhazia have tightened control on the borders with Russia and Georgia and instructed to take critical infrastructure facilities under protection due to the situation in the Russian Federation.
https://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/june-24-2023-russ ias-collapse-news-that-will-likely-go
https://ai.neocities.org/Dushka.html --Russian Artificial Intelligence
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