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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412404] Fri, 19 November 2021 14:00 Go to next message
Quadibloc is currently offline  Quadibloc
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On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner wrote:

> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
> entity in the caffeine wars?
> Double your caffeine, double your fun...

Jolt is still around.

There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now. They're
a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".

John Savard
Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412413 is a reply to message #412404] Fri, 19 November 2021 21:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:

> On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner wrote:
>
>> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>> entity in the caffeine wars?
>> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>
> Jolt is still around.
>
> There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now. They're
> a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".

When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
content.

Circa 1990, I was reading the ingredients label on the can of
some"energy drink" that I'd never before heard of and it included
phosphoric acid. Since then, I spotted it in other drinks.

I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
Dentistry be damned, eh?

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada
Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412418 is a reply to message #412413] Fri, 19 November 2021 23:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Fred Smith

On 2021-11-20, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>
>> On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner wrote:
>>
>>> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>>> entity in the caffeine wars?
>>> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>>
>> Jolt is still around.
>>
>> There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now. They're
>> a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>
> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
> drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
> content.
>

And its reputation as a contraceptive douche?
Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412421 is a reply to message #412413] Sat, 20 November 2021 05:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 19 Nov 2021 22:38:39 -0400
Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

>
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>
>> On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole
>>> new entity in the caffeine wars?
>>> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>>
>> Jolt is still around.
>>
>> There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now.
>> They're a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>
> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
> drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
> content.
>
I recall an aunt tell of doing dental assistant work, maybe in Canada?
where the dentist would have a glass of cola and put an extracted tooth
in it to demonstrate it's disolving properties. (But I think it would
still take a fortnight to disolve?)

> Circa 1990, I was reading the ingredients label on the can of
> some"energy drink" that I'd never before heard of and it included
> phosphoric acid. Since then, I spotted it in other drinks.
>
> I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
> Dentistry be damned, eh?
>
Best not to keep it in your mouth for a fortnight. But how do you feel
about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!)


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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412428 is a reply to message #412413] Sat, 20 November 2021 13:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 19 Nov 2021 22:38:39 -0400, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>
>> On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner wrote:
>>
>>> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>>> entity in the caffeine wars?
>>> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>>
>> Jolt is still around.
>>
>> There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now. They're
>> a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>
> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
> drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
> content.
>
> Circa 1990, I was reading the ingredients label on the can of
> some"energy drink" that I'd never before heard of and it included
> phosphoric acid. Since then, I spotted it in other drinks.
>
> I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
> Dentistry be damned, eh?

I remember watching older movies from the 1940s as a kid, and them
talking about a Coke Cola float with that phosphate fizz.
Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412429 is a reply to message #412421] Sat, 20 November 2021 13:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 10:29:35 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
<admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On 19 Nov 2021 22:38:39 -0400
> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>>
>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>
>>> On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole
>>>> new entity in the caffeine wars?
>>>> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>>>
>>> Jolt is still around.
>>>
>>> There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now.
>>> They're a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>>
>> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>> drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>> content.
>>
> I recall an aunt tell of doing dental assistant work, maybe in Canada?
> where the dentist would have a glass of cola and put an extracted tooth
> in it to demonstrate it's disolving properties. (But I think it would
> still take a fortnight to disolve?)
>
>> Circa 1990, I was reading the ingredients label on the can of
>> some"energy drink" that I'd never before heard of and it included
>> phosphoric acid. Since then, I spotted it in other drinks.
>>
>> I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
>> Dentistry be damned, eh?
>>
> Best not to keep it in your mouth for a fortnight. But how do you feel
> about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!)

There were people freaking out over flourides in the drinking water
once place I lived... then it was pointed out they were naturally
there, and part of the water from the artesian wells that were used
for water in town.
Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412431 is a reply to message #412418] Sat, 20 November 2021 14:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2021-11-20, Fred Smith <fred@thejanitor.corp> wrote:

> On 2021-11-20, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>
>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>
>>> On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner wrote:
>>>
>>>> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>>>> entity in the caffeine wars?
>>>> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>>>
>>> Jolt is still around.
>>>
>>> There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now. They're
>>> a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>>
>> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>> drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>> content.

I remember seeing shows set around 1900 where a boy would take a girl
down to the soda fountain for a strawberry phosphate. That's about
the only reference that I remember.

And there was the myth where if you left a penny in a glass of Coca-Cola
overnight it would dissolve.

> And its reputation as a contraceptive douche?

Reminds me of a scene from _Deep Throat_...

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412434 is a reply to message #412429] Sat, 20 November 2021 15:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 12:10:19 -0600
D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 10:29:35 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
> <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
[]
>>>
>> Best not to keep it in your mouth for a fortnight. But how do you
>> feel about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!
>> )
>
> There were people freaking out over flourides in the drinking water

I had that problem, but I decided flouride might make it a bit doughy!

> once place I lived... then it was pointed out they were naturally
> there, and part of the water from the artesian wells that were used
> for water in town.

Like there's no place (hardly; maybe except inside a thick lead box?)
you can't get some dose of radiation (hopefully very very low).

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412436 is a reply to message #412429] Sat, 20 November 2021 17:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 12:10:19 -0600, D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 10:29:35 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
> <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> On 19 Nov 2021 22:38:39 -0400
>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole
>>>> > new entity in the caffeine wars?
>>>> > Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>>>>
>>>> Jolt is still around.
>>>>
>>>> There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now.
>>>> They're a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>>>
>>> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>>> drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>>> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>>> content.
>>>
>> I recall an aunt tell of doing dental assistant work, maybe in Canada?
>> where the dentist would have a glass of cola and put an extracted tooth
>> in it to demonstrate it's disolving properties. (But I think it would
>> still take a fortnight to disolve?)
>>
>>> Circa 1990, I was reading the ingredients label on the can of
>>> some"energy drink" that I'd never before heard of and it included
>>> phosphoric acid. Since then, I spotted it in other drinks.
>>>
>>> I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
>>> Dentistry be damned, eh?
>>>
>> Best not to keep it in your mouth for a fortnight. But how do you feel
>> about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!)
>
> There were people freaking out over flourides in the drinking water
> once place I lived... then it was pointed out they were naturally
> there, and part of the water from the artesian wells that were used
> for water in town.

I read somewhere that that's how the benefits of fluorides were
discovered--there were communities with unusually good teeth and
nobody could figure out what they were doing differently until the
analyzed the water.
Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412441 is a reply to message #412429] Sun, 21 November 2021 01:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 10:29:35 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
> <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> On 19 Nov 2021 22:38:39 -0400
>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>
>>> I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
>>> Dentistry be damned, eh?
>>
>> Best not to keep it in your mouth for a fortnight. But how do you feel
>> about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!)
>
> There were people freaking out over flourides in the drinking water
> once place I lived... then it was pointed out they were naturally
> there, and part of the water from the artesian wells that were used
> for water in town.

With a degree in chemistry (albeit 50 years old) the notion of
ingesting fluoride offends me but I'm willing to depend on the
established science and the failure of widespread fluoridation to
engender mass health calamities once millions of people were exposed
to it. I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
fillings pose no health risk whetever.

Much less happy with the presence of arsenic in drilled wells in this
area. Old hand-dug surface wells mostly don't have the problem while
drilled wells pierce and draw water from the gold/arsenic-bearing strata.

It's all in paying attention to detail. Back in my chemistry days, I
read about a case of cattle somewhere in the US west that were dying.
A study revealed that the soil was cobalt-free and they were dying of
cobalt deficiency. So ranchers salted the range with cobalt. The
cattle continued to die. A second study revealed that they were dying
of cobalt poisoning. Seems that what was needed was something like (I
forget the acutual numbers) 10 gm of soluble cobalt evenly distributed
over each square mile of range while the ranchers were spreading it
like they did fertilizer or weed killer.

Attention to details.

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412449 is a reply to message #412413] Sun, 21 November 2021 10:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
>
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>

> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
> drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
> content.

Checks cherry coke can at hand:

Ingredients: Carbonated Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup,
Carmel Color, PHOSPHORIC ACID, Natural Flavors.
Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412450 is a reply to message #412441] Sun, 21 November 2021 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On 21 Nov 2021 02:01:00 -0400, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

>
> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 10:29:35 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
>> <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>> On 19 Nov 2021 22:38:39 -0400
>>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
>>>> Dentistry be damned, eh?
>>>
>>> Best not to keep it in your mouth for a fortnight. But how do you feel
>>> about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!)
>>
>> There were people freaking out over flourides in the drinking water
>> once place I lived... then it was pointed out they were naturally
>> there, and part of the water from the artesian wells that were used
>> for water in town.
>
> With a degree in chemistry (albeit 50 years old) the notion of
> ingesting fluoride offends me but I'm willing to depend on the
> established science and the failure of widespread fluoridation to
> engender mass health calamities once millions of people were exposed
> to it. I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
> fillings pose no health risk whetever.

Does anybody use amalgam fillings anymore?

> Much less happy with the presence of arsenic in drilled wells in this
> area. Old hand-dug surface wells mostly don't have the problem while
> drilled wells pierce and draw water from the gold/arsenic-bearing strata.
>
> It's all in paying attention to detail. Back in my chemistry days, I
> read about a case of cattle somewhere in the US west that were dying.
> A study revealed that the soil was cobalt-free and they were dying of
> cobalt deficiency. So ranchers salted the range with cobalt. The
> cattle continued to die. A second study revealed that they were dying
> of cobalt poisoning. Seems that what was needed was something like (I
> forget the acutual numbers) 10 gm of soluble cobalt evenly distributed
> over each square mile of range while the ranchers were spreading it
> like they did fertilizer or weed killer.
>
> Attention to details.
Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412452 is a reply to message #412449] Sun, 21 November 2021 11:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 15:30:21 GMT
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
>>
>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>
>
>> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>> drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>> content.
>
> Checks cherry coke can at hand:
>
> Ingredients: Carbonated Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup,
> Carmel Color, PHOSPHORIC ACID, Natural Flavors.

I didn't have any to hand so I went and looked on Coca-Cola's web
site where the ingredients are listed and include phosphoric acid with the
explanation that it is responsible for the tart flavour.

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412455 is a reply to message #412441] Sun, 21 November 2021 13:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 21 Nov 2021 02:01:00 -0400, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Nov 2021 10:29:35 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
>> <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>> On 19 Nov 2021 22:38:39 -0400
>>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use phosphoric acid to clean my hand-forged ironwork.
>>>> Dentistry be damned, eh?
>>>
>>> Best not to keep it in your mouth for a fortnight. But how do you feel
>>> about fl[u]oride? (Oops, could be a heated discussion coming up!)
>>
>> There were people freaking out over flourides in the drinking water
>> once place I lived... then it was pointed out they were naturally
>> there, and part of the water from the artesian wells that were used
>> for water in town.
>
> With a degree in chemistry (albeit 50 years old) the notion of
> ingesting fluoride offends me but I'm willing to depend on the
> established science and the failure of widespread fluoridation to
> engender mass health calamities once millions of people were exposed
> to it. I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
> fillings pose no health risk whetever.

I had some amalgam filling from my younger days. Im IS navyboot camp,
they just scooped out one tooth and filled it with amalgam. When I had
a good health plan, I asked for that to be removed... the dentist said
they weren't a problem. I pointed out politely I was willing to try a
different dentist office. They did 'find' a cavity or two in those
teeth, and made the changes.

I do feel better. That dental work where that was removed, was back in
the 1980s/1990s. I have insisted on no amalgam since then.

No idea if this is an actual effect or not, but since then my
relatives have said I look healthier.

> Much less happy with the presence of arsenic in drilled wells in this
> area. Old hand-dug surface wells mostly don't have the problem while
> drilled wells pierce and draw water from the gold/arsenic-bearing strata.

There was a Boy Scount summer camp out in Texas that had drilled down
to get water for the camp. It contained sulphur. They had to install a
reverse osmosis system to clean out the sulphur, then they added in
chlorine. At least that is my memory of it. I know when the water
purification failed, the water smelled of sulphur compunds.

They told us it wasn't bad for us, and it would keep the mosquitoes
away. Well, my personal experience is it lessened the number of
mosquitoes that buzzed around me head. Not all of them.

> It's all in paying attention to detail. Back in my chemistry days, I
> read about a case of cattle somewhere in the US west that were dying.
> A study revealed that the soil was cobalt-free and they were dying of
> cobalt deficiency. So ranchers salted the range with cobalt. The
> cattle continued to die. A second study revealed that they were dying
> of cobalt poisoning. Seems that what was needed was something like (I
> forget the acutual numbers) 10 gm of soluble cobalt evenly distributed
> over each square mile of range while the ranchers were spreading it
> like they did fertilizer or weed killer.
>
> Attention to details.

Yeah, over do it.
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Re: what's in your water, was New Programmer's Drink? [message #412457 is a reply to message #412441] Sun, 21 November 2021 14:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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According to Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>:
> With a degree in chemistry (albeit 50 years old) the notion of
> ingesting fluoride offends me but I'm willing to depend on the
> established science and the failure of widespread fluoridation to
> engender mass health calamities once millions of people were exposed
> to it.

We've been adding chlorine for a lot longer, and as I'm sure you know,
chlorine was used to kill soldiers in WW I. Dosages matter.

> I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
> fillings pose no health risk whetever.

I share your concern there, the data are much less clear.

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412461 is a reply to message #412441] Sun, 21 November 2021 19:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 21 Nov 2021 02:01:00 -0400, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

> I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
> fillings pose no health risk whetever.

If I recall correctly, the assertion is that leaving amalgam fillings
in place poses less health risk than drilling them out.

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412470 is a reply to message #412431] Mon, 22 November 2021 10:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Radey Shouman

Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

> On 2021-11-20, Fred Smith <fred@thejanitor.corp> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-11-20, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>
>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>>>> > entity in the caffeine wars?
>>>> > Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>>>>
>>>> Jolt is still around.
>>>>
>>>> There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now. They're
>>>> a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>>>
>>> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>>> drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>>> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>>> content.
>
> I remember seeing shows set around 1900 where a boy would take a girl
> down to the soda fountain for a strawberry phosphate. That's about
> the only reference that I remember.

The ingredients are still available, should you want to try making one
at home. I have not.

https://shop.artofdrink.com/product/acid-phosphate/


> And there was the myth where if you left a penny in a glass of Coca-Cola
> overnight it would dissolve.
>
>> And its reputation as a contraceptive douche?
>
> Reminds me of a scene from _Deep Throat_...

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412471 is a reply to message #412470] Mon, 22 November 2021 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> writes:
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2021-11-20, Fred Smith <fred@thejanitor.corp> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-11-20, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > On Friday, December 17, 1993 at 12:09:12 AM UTC-7, P. J. Remner wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> What I'm basically getting at is, is this renamed Jolt or a whole new
>>>> >> entity in the caffeine wars?
>>>> >> Double your caffeine, double your fun...
>>>> >
>>>> > Jolt is still around.
>>>> >
>>>> > There are plenty of soft drinks with extra caffeine around now. They're
>>>> > a whole new product genre, called "energy drinks".
>>>>
>>>> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>>>> drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>>>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>>>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>>>> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>>>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>>>> content.
>>
>> I remember seeing shows set around 1900 where a boy would take a girl
>> down to the soda fountain for a strawberry phosphate. That's about
>> the only reference that I remember.
>
> The ingredients are still available, should you want to try making one
> at home. I have not.
>
> https://shop.artofdrink.com/product/acid-phosphate/

And it's from the "Extinct Chemical Company". Clever.
Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412472 is a reply to message #412441] Mon, 22 November 2021 12:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2021-11-21, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

> It's all in paying attention to detail. Back in my chemistry days, I
> read about a case of cattle somewhere in the US west that were dying.
> A study revealed that the soil was cobalt-free and they were dying of
> cobalt deficiency. So ranchers salted the range with cobalt. The
> cattle continued to die. A second study revealed that they were dying
> of cobalt poisoning. Seems that what was needed was something like (I
> forget the acutual numbers) 10 gm of soluble cobalt evenly distributed
> over each square mile of range while the ranchers were spreading it
> like they did fertilizer or weed killer.

What? You mean more isn't always better? My faith is shaken...

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412475 is a reply to message #412472] Mon, 22 November 2021 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 17:05:35 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:


> What? You mean more isn't always better? My faith is shaken...

Less is the new more viz:

$ ls -i /usr/bin/less /usr/bin/more
68568 /usr/bin/less 68568 /usr/bin/more

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412485 is a reply to message #412449] Tue, 23 November 2021 03:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Maus

On 2021-11-21, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
>>
>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>
>
>> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>> drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>> content.
>
> Checks cherry coke can at hand:
>
> Ingredients: Carbonated Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup,
> Carmel Color, PHOSPHORIC ACID, Natural Flavors.


There may be other stuff in there. There was an argument fairly
recently between the Bolivian government and coca-cola about what what
the bolivians got for the coca leaves that the us company bought from
them.

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412486 is a reply to message #412461] Tue, 23 November 2021 03:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Maus

On 2021-11-22, Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:
> On 21 Nov 2021 02:01:00 -0400, Mike Spencer
> <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> I'm less trusting of the unbending assertion that amalgam
>> fillings pose no health risk whetever.
>
> If I recall correctly, the assertion is that leaving amalgam fillings
> in place poses less health risk than drilling them out.
>

+++

I keep my teeth in a glass beside the bed now.


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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412487 is a reply to message #412472] Tue, 23 November 2021 04:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: Maus

On 2021-11-22, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2021-11-21, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> It's all in paying attention to detail. Back in my chemistry days, I
>> read about a case of cattle somewhere in the US west that were dying.
>> A study revealed that the soil was cobalt-free and they were dying of
>> cobalt deficiency. So ranchers salted the range with cobalt. The
>> cattle continued to die. A second study revealed that they were dying
>> of cobalt poisoning. Seems that what was needed was something like (I
>> forget the acutual numbers) 10 gm of soluble cobalt evenly distributed
>> over each square mile of range while the ranchers were spreading it
>> like they did fertilizer or weed killer.
>
> What? You mean more isn't always better? My faith is shaken...
>

When I was a farmer, I read the story of a farmer who hired someone to
spread a trace element on one field, the farmer walked up to the field
to check the job was done, and clover sprouthed on where the tiny
amount of dust was left as he walked away.

A local golf course had a new lawn manager, who spread something on the
greens which caused them to change color to deep purple. Their lease on
the land was conditional on their not spreading any. I never heard the
end of the story.


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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412489 is a reply to message #412485] Tue, 23 November 2021 07:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 23 Nov 2021 08:56:08 GMT
Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> wrote:

> On 2021-11-21, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
>>>
>> Checks cherry coke can at hand:
>>
>> Ingredients: Carbonated Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup,
>> Carmel Color, PHOSPHORIC ACID, Natural Flavors.
>
>
> There may be other stuff in there. There was an argument fairly

The coca leaf and cola nut content is covered by "Natural
Flavours".

> recently between the Bolivian government and coca-cola about what what
> the bolivians got for the coca leaves that the us company bought from
> them.

I'm sure they get more from the coca-cola subsidiary that imports
it than they do from the Colombian processing labs that produce the nose
candy. Does anyone here know who runs them these days, presumably not still
the CIA as it was in the 1980s the last time I heard from someone who'd
seen it first hand.

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412491 is a reply to message #412485] Tue, 23 November 2021 09:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> writes:
> On 2021-11-21, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
>>>
>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>
>>
>>> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>>> drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>>> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>>> content.
>>
>> Checks cherry coke can at hand:
>>
>> Ingredients: Carbonated Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup,
>> Carmel Color, PHOSPHORIC ACID, Natural Flavors.
>
>
> There may be other stuff in there. There was an argument fairly
> recently between the Bolivian government and coca-cola about what what
> the bolivians got for the coca leaves that the us company bought from
> them.

I believe the Coca plant extract is covered under "Natural Flavors".
Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412493 is a reply to message #412485] Tue, 23 November 2021 09:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 23 Nov 2021 08:56:08 GMT, Maus <Greymaus@mail.com> wrote:
> On 2021-11-21, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:
>>>
>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>
>>
>>> When in was in jr. high school, my 90+ y.o. landlady called carbonated
>>> drinks "phosphates". Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>>> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>>> content.
>>
>> Checks cherry coke can at hand:
>>
>> Ingredients: Carbonated Water, High Fructose Corn Syrup,
>> Carmel Color, PHOSPHORIC ACID, Natural Flavors.
>
>
> There may be other stuff in there. There was an argument fairly
> recently between the Bolivian government and coca-cola about what what
> the bolivians got for the coca leaves that the us company bought from
> them.

I know after one of my retina surgeries, I was told to avoid caffeine.
So I selected a soda to drink that didn't list it. I kept getting
headaches.... the opthamalist told me I was drinking something with
caffeine in it. Then I saw on the tv that the Orange Fanta I was
drinking had caffeine in it, but it was below the amount that required
it to be in the ingredients list on the can.
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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412500 is a reply to message #412470] Tue, 23 November 2021 14:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Radey Shouman wrote:

> The ingredients are still available, should you want to try making one
> at home. I have not.
>
> https://shop.artofdrink.com/product/acid-phosphate/

From reading that label, it sounds like it should contain extract of snake ...
Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412516 is a reply to message #412421] Thu, 25 November 2021 22:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Saturday, November 20, 2021 at 3:29:34 AM UTC-7, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

> I recall an aunt tell of doing dental assistant work, maybe in Canada?
> where the dentist would have a glass of cola and put an extracted tooth
> in it to demonstrate it's disolving properties. (But I think it would
> still take a fortnight to disolve?)

No, overnight will do it.

John Savard
Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412517 is a reply to message #412413] Thu, 25 November 2021 22:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 7:39:12 PM UTC-7, Mike Spencer wrote:
> Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
> content.

The bottle of Coca-Cola in my refrigerator includes phosphoric acid
in its list of ingredients, so they're still using it, at least in Canada.

John Savard
Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412519 is a reply to message #412517] Fri, 26 November 2021 00:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: J. Clarke

On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 19:41:51 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 7:39:12 PM UTC-7, Mike Spencer wrote:
>> Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>> content.
>
> The bottle of Coca-Cola in my refrigerator includes phosphoric acid
> in its list of ingredients, so they're still using it, at least in Canada.

And in the US.
>
> John Savard
Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412524 is a reply to message #412519] Fri, 26 November 2021 11:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: lawrenabae

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:

> On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 19:41:51 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 7:39:12 PM UTC-7, Mike Spencer wrote:
>>> Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>>> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>>> content.
>>
>> The bottle of Coca-Cola in my refrigerator includes phosphoric acid
>> in its list of ingredients, so they're still using it, at least in Canada.
>
> And in the US.


And in Mexico.

I'm not sure how the poster upthread came to the mistaken inference that
they ever *stopped* using phosphoric acid.

echo 'lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom' | sed s/aba/c/g
Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412526 is a reply to message #412524] Fri, 26 November 2021 18:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lawrenabae@abaluon.abaom (Lawrence Statton (NK1G)) writes:

> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 19:41:51 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
>> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 7:39:12 PM UTC-7, Mike Spencer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Investigating the unfamiliar locution, I learned
>>>> that her generation had soft drinks containing phosphoric acid, an
>>>> ingredient that had by the 1950s been abandoned to avoid dissolving
>>>> teeth in Coke or whatever. And that the folkloric repute of Coke to
>>>> be a good rust remover depended on its *former* phosphoric acid
>>>> content.
>>>
>>> The bottle of Coca-Cola in my refrigerator includes phosphoric acid
>>> in its list of ingredients, so they're still using it, at least in Canada.
>>
>> And in the US.
>
> And in Mexico.
>
> I'm not sure how the poster upthread...

That would be me.

> ... came to the mistaken inference that they ever *stopped* using
> phosphoric acid.

In 1953, I was 11 years old when I first heard of "phosphates" from
someone 90+ years old. The information (apparently misinformation)
that phosphoric acid had been eliminated from Coke et al. sometime in
the preceding 20 or so years came from T.C. Mits [1], viz. adults
between 30 and 65 y.o. with no relevant scientrific or industrial
qualifications who were available for me to query.

As a teenager, I tried Coke as a remover of light rust on a chrome
bumper without success.

The matter of H2PO4 in beverages didn't come across my radar again
until circa 1990 when I read a pop can.


[1] The Celebrated Man in the Street

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412530 is a reply to message #412526] Sat, 27 November 2021 13:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2021-11-26, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

> The matter of H2PO4 in beverages didn't come across my radar again
> until circa 1990 when I read a pop can.

<nit>
s/H2PO4/H3PO4/
</nit>

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412531 is a reply to message #412530] Sat, 27 November 2021 19:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

> On 2021-11-26, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> The matter of H2PO4 in beverages didn't come across my radar again
>> until circa 1990 when I read a pop can.
>
> <nit>
> s/H2PO4/H3PO4/
> </nit>

Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa. Cringe.

There's this: My undergrad degree in chemistry is 57 years old and
while the phosphate ion hasn't changed in that time, I have. :-)

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412532 is a reply to message #412526] Sat, 27 November 2021 23:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 26 Nov 2021 19:47:04 -0400, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

> In 1953, I was 11 years old when I first heard of "phosphates" from
> someone 90+ years old.

In 1953 I was drinkig phosphates at Woolworth's lunch counter.

When I had a dime.

Or was it a nickel?

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412537 is a reply to message #412532] Sun, 28 November 2021 19:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> writes:

> On 26 Nov 2021 19:47:04 -0400, Mike Spencer
> <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

>> In 1953, I was 11 years old when I first heard of "phosphates" from
>> someone 90+ years old.

> In 1953 I was drinkig phosphates at Woolworth's lunch counter.

> When I had a dime.

> Or was it a nickel?

Probably a nickel; a nickel ($0.05 coin, for those not from North America)
would buy a bottle of Coca-Cola from a machine as late as 1960.

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412538 is a reply to message #412537] Sun, 28 November 2021 22:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2021-11-29, Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:

> Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 26 Nov 2021 19:47:04 -0400, Mike Spencer
>> <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>
>>> In 1953, I was 11 years old when I first heard of "phosphates" from
>>> someone 90+ years old.
>>
>> In 1953 I was drinkig phosphates at Woolworth's lunch counter.
>>
>> When I had a dime.
>>
>> Or was it a nickel?
>
> Probably a nickel; a nickel ($0.05 coin, for those not from North America)
> would buy a bottle of Coca-Cola from a machine as late as 1960.

What's tough?
Life.
What's life?
A magazine.
How much does it cost?
It costs twenty cents.
But I only got a nickel (a nickel).
Ow, ow, that's tough.
-- Gabriel and the Angels

I only became aware of such things around 1960, and it was already
a dime around here by then.

And one thin dime won't even shine your shoes.
-- The Drifters: On Broadway

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412542 is a reply to message #412538] Mon, 29 November 2021 04:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 03:23:43 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> On 2021-11-29, Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:
>
>> Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> On 26 Nov 2021 19:47:04 -0400, Mike Spencer
>>> <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In 1953, I was 11 years old when I first heard of "phosphates"
>>>> from someone 90+ years old.
>>>
>>> In 1953 I was drinkig phosphates at Woolworth's lunch counter.
>>>
>>> When I had a dime.
>>>
>>> Or was it a nickel?
>>
>> Probably a nickel; a nickel ($0.05 coin, for those not from North
>> America) would buy a bottle of Coca-Cola from a machine as late as
>> 1960.
>
> What's tough?
> Life.
> What's life?
> A magazine.
> How much does it cost?
> It costs twenty cents.
> But I only got a nickel (a nickel).
> Ow, ow, that's tough.
> -- Gabriel and the Angels
>
> I only became aware of such things around 1960, and it was already
> a dime around here by then.
>
> And one thin dime won't even shine your shoes.
> -- The Drifters: On Broadway
>

How much for a shave & a haircut?

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Re: New Programmer's Drink? [message #412546 is a reply to message #412542] Mon, 29 November 2021 09:38 Go to previous message
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"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes:
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 03:23:43 GMT
> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-11-29, Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 26 Nov 2021 19:47:04 -0400, Mike Spencer
>>>> <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > In 1953, I was 11 years old when I first heard of "phosphates"
>>>> > from someone 90+ years old.
>>>>
>>>> In 1953 I was drinkig phosphates at Woolworth's lunch counter.
>>>>
>>>> When I had a dime.
>>>>
>>>> Or was it a nickel?
>>>
>>> Probably a nickel; a nickel ($0.05 coin, for those not from North
>>> America) would buy a bottle of Coca-Cola from a machine as late as
>>> 1960.
>>
>> What's tough?
>> Life.
>> What's life?
>> A magazine.
>> How much does it cost?
>> It costs twenty cents.
>> But I only got a nickel (a nickel).
>> Ow, ow, that's tough.
>> -- Gabriel and the Angels
>>
>> I only became aware of such things around 1960, and it was already
>> a dime around here by then.
>>
>> And one thin dime won't even shine your shoes.
>> -- The Drifters: On Broadway
>>
>
> How much for a shave & a haircut?

Two bits.
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